Hughes Autoformer (Does it Steal Power?)

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This device could have SAVED THE DAY last summer in Las Vegas! But, does it STEAL power from your RV neighbors?
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@johnnylightning1491 2 жыл бұрын

I'll trade you 8 amps for 17 volts. One of the best explanations I have ever heard of inductive and resistive loads. Thanks Chad. Please, please let us know when the study is done. Keep the good stuff coming guys.

@preachers4135 2 жыл бұрын

Ditto!

@jeromep 2 жыл бұрын

Ditto. I’m also amazed at the number of commenters who don’t understand the inverse nature of amps and volts and continue to insist that the Autoformer “stealing” power. Amazing!

@salvagedvr 2 жыл бұрын

The Autoformer kept us in the park and off our generators at Blue Bell Campground at Custer State Park after all the power greedy Class A's arrived. If anyone asked, I just said; "Oh that? It's a surge protector."

@justcurious4754 2 жыл бұрын

Loved my autoformer. Had one for years and I'm convinced it saved me repairs and premature motor replacements in things like our residential fridge A/C's etc. You might note that it is not designed to be in standing water. I had to put mine up on bricks to keep it off the ground, that is until we got it mounted in the RV. People think of their power like they think about their water. You turn on the faucet and water comes out, no problem. You plug in an electronic device and it turns on, you have electricity, no problem. Right up until the time something burns up. Now lets talk about the wisdom of visiting the desert southwest during summer LOL. We stayed at Nellis AFB last year. Got there the first week of September and the power was bang on with everyone running A/C's when it was 110 out. Got to get your paperwork squared away. We even let the Navy stay there :).

@stevendunsford4568 2 жыл бұрын

I never thought of it as “stealing power” as opposed to sharing the limited capacity of the parks distribution system or utility limited capacity. If the park was designed with no diversity factor & every site has full voltage at max load & the utility is providing full voltage then there is no issue. If the park can’t provide full voltage at max load then those without a autoformer will have to reduce their load to maintain voltage and those with won’t. Those with an autoformer are drawing full demand while rose without can’t. I understand what your saying but I’d have to do a deeper analysis including the limited capacity of the park and probably vary the analysis for different utility voltages.

@philcraine3289 2 жыл бұрын

You always do a great job explaining things. As to the stealing power, this is complicated. Does it "take" power from others for your use, no. It does not "steal" power, what you are interested in is insertion loss or efficiency because you are using a very little more power than if you did not use this. This unit is doing work, that work takes some amount of power. So, in your example of 6,000 watts and your rig will use 6,000 watts of "power" regardless of this box being in the circuit or not. But this insertion loss thing means that when you are using it, you will be using slightly more power (I think 1-2%) more power than if you did not use it. This means that the rest of the park has 60-120 watts less power available than it would have if you did not use this box. If you want to make up for this power "loss" turn off a light bulb or two. For those that are perfectionists think of that extra 120 watts and measure that against 50 rigs each using 6000 watts = 300,000 watts, pretty insignificant. Does it in fact intrude on anyone else in the park, no. Sorry but no. Keep up the good work, you tread where I would not dare go.

@ChangingLanes 2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it! I asked huges about power loss due to heat and they said around 1%

@mikefromwv1010 2 жыл бұрын

I've got about 35 years in the electrical trade and that was one of the best explanations I've heard. Good job, and thanks for the video

@patireland3345 2 жыл бұрын

Tis not power theft. Tis a supply issue that needs to be resolved in parks that have the potential of this problem. Really appreciate this video.

@JohnSmith-lw2bm 9 ай бұрын

I have had 133 volts before in Wyoming. My progressive industries surge protector opened up. It is after my autoformer.

@cudaragtop4108 2 жыл бұрын

Been using Hughes Autoformers for several years. They work great and have kept us powered whenever park voltage drops. Get one, hook it up every time you connect to shore power and enjoy more reliable power. They cannot draw more current than the Park Breaker will pass. Simple physics.

@petenelson8136 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation. This was my very first purchase for my GD 384GK, even before I accepted delivery of it. Like you I installed it inside my rig so the only thing outside is my power cord. It works GREAT!! I've also got a small meter inside plugged into one of my outlets so I can see exactly what kind of power I'm getting inside the 5th wheel. Keep the video's coming, love your channel.

@oldengineer1519 Жыл бұрын

I start with the voltage is low because of an undersized campground electrical system. I then explain to the folks that autoformers do not steal power anymore than another camper on the same circuit steals electrical power. No matter what my campsite is limited to 30 amps by the pedestal (assuming 30 amp site). What the autoformer allows me to do is trade some of that 30 amps the trailer can use for a higher voltage. Since the trailer can no longer access the full campsite amperage I have to reduce the number of electrical appliances I use simultaneously and that usually means switching to gas for those appliances that support them. If someone wants to see the math I can do that but keeping it simple and explaining it as a trade off for my site generally works best for most folks.

@davidew98 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining this. It can't steal power from the park. It is maxed out to the breakers at the pedestal. You can't take more than that! It's just cleaning up the power

@wendywolfe8684 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! We took so many notes! We love all the different types of videos you put out. Thank you!

@davidherz9597 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome content, as always!! You made something that could be confusing very simple to understand. Thank you both for all of your segments; they are honest, informative, and interesting to listen and learn from. We would be lost without you. We (my wife & l) appreciate your time & dedication to your channel

@htwnkid 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, your explanation videos are my absolute favorites, they really are very helpful. Safe Travels.

@billdelong 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to both Tara and Chad for another top notch HGTV quality video, I really appreciate these tech reviews the most, but also appreciate the balance you both offer as well with cool family trips and tips, keep them coming!

@duanebuck193 2 жыл бұрын

Chad, thank you (as always) for a very easy to understand explanation of what the Autoformer does and how it can affect an RV's systems any why we should be aware of the issue. Because we changed out our front AC unit to a much newer and more efficient one our power consumption in the wonderful warmth of Vegas wasn't as high, but now having a better understanding about this unit, one will be added to our repertoire of necessary items to have.

@stevefrederick8215 2 жыл бұрын

Keep up the good research Chad & Tara on the voltage issues, keep us in the loop.🇳🇿👍👌👌

@toddramsay977 2 жыл бұрын

That was a great geek out on power video!. I love your how to/how it works videos on power, solar, inverters, even water filters and other utilities in an RV.

@scottforrest2097 2 жыл бұрын

You guys have the best rv channel on KZfaq. Thank you again. God bless. Hope to see you on the road someday.

@mmmasterscross7915 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your real world video review and helpful and informative!

@mattkaminski6618 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. There's another good video out there on the Autoformer explaining, in detail, on why it does not 'steal' power from anyone else; but, it's a far longer video, is far more technical, and your video does the same thing in less time, easier to understand, while still reaching the same point. Great job!

@mikeehrhart9488 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative video. I know just enough about electricity to be dangerous and your explanation of Volts, watts and amps was excellent.

@sunnypringle 2 жыл бұрын

Yall put out great informational video 👍

@dianasellars6114 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great video, it addressed ALL of our questions. We bought a Hughes Autoformer 2 years ago when we kept blowing the breakers trying to run our ACs in 113. Best thing ever, even if it was a little pricey. We hard wired ours in this summer, now we don't have to worry about theft or controversy since it isn't seen.

@4LowRocks 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding video Chad! I now know much more about the unit and consider it to be a smart purchase. Thanks for doing this.

@garryhammond3117 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chad - That was awesome! Very clear explanation.

@ottyfields 2 жыл бұрын

Followed you guys for a while and even posted about the Autoformer on your Las Vegas video. I work in the robotics field and deal with single and three phase power all the time and know what low voltage can do to circuits. I have always run the Hughes Autoformer in all my RV's. Best thing to get is the hard wire kit, so nice to not lug it around and leave it out in the elements. Keep up the informative videos.

@Brigand231 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I think it was JD from Big Truck Big RV who did a video on this product a while back, but didn't explain it as thoroughly as you did. A lot more clicked for me after this video and makes more sense now. Thanks for another good video!

@rjoslinwork1069 Жыл бұрын

Great informative video. You guys are the best channel out there in RV land. Keep it up!

@dennishall8709 2 жыл бұрын

My friend I Absolutely appreciate your videos everything that I read that you post is beneficial to me and for that thank you thank you

@robertrenner7804 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chad. Great video. We bought and installed a Hughes autoformer in our power bay on our 2019 Newmar Mountain Aire motorhome after a horrible week in South Lake Tahoe at a Thousand Trails campground with 102V. Couldn't keep the surge protector from cutting power. Now it's a standard part of our power circuit with the Progressive EMS in between it and the coach for further surge and low voltage protection.

@becsmom89 2 жыл бұрын

I was so excited to watch this video as my husband (Bob) has been pulling his hair out trying to explain batteries, solar, etc to me. I followed for about 60 seconds and then WAY over my head. But Bob watched and learned a lot from it. So thank you for that. Keep all the good stuff coming. Hope you both are doing well. Daisy too!

@spencercall5011 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chad. Great video. Tara, super great editing.

@razmondpush2971 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video even without sparks flying around...lol You got me started on yet another research project...thanks. Love you three, where were the others hiding, missed 'em.

@larrysmith3181 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info

@kenselberg4299 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. I too have run into the problem of low voltage and wondered if there was a solution. Good overview of ohm's law.

@tomquinn03 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video, this is such a contested topic. As always, you're very clear and concise in your explanations, you make it very easy to understand. I installed the Hughes Autoformer in the electrical bay of our 2020 Newmar Dutch Star, utilizing a component install so I can bypass any component that may be inoperable or not needed - the cord reel, Surge protector or Autoformer. I am using the Hughes Watchdog with Emergency Power Off after the Autoformer for complete protection. The bluetooth capabilities of the Watchdog with their monitoring app is a great resource and extra protection.

@Green_Ninja1979 11 ай бұрын

Amazing insight. Very clear reasons why to have this system setup.

@stevendaniels7179 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic and simple explanation. Could not have been better.

@testersbc1 2 жыл бұрын

chad yo udo a great job explaining these things!!

@RoamingwiththeRamsays 2 жыл бұрын

Chad as always you are bringing the good stuff. Wish we had one of those when we were in Maine last year and had a Low Voltage problem like you had in Las Vegas. When I went to the park about it all the did was kick us out and tell us it was our fault. Anyway, we do use a Hughes Autoformers Power Watchdog surge protector which shuts our power off at 104 volts to protect the trailer. One thing I can say about Hughes is there customer service is great and the products are awesome. I know, technically that was two things....

@roadhog6603 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent content. Thanks for sharing.

@terrygillis9909 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video. I have a 30amp Hughes since 2017 for our class B. Last year bought a 50amp which I easily installed inside the basement on our class A. Have never had issue with either one. Great product.

@waynecornwell2321 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks!

@michaelmacdermott6340 2 жыл бұрын

Bravo Zulu Shipmate! Reminds me of Navy B Double E school! I was an Instructor at Great Lakes at the end of my 20 years, and because I took the instructor course I can definitely critique you. You did a very good job in instruction.

@johnclancy7607 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Been using a 50 amp model for 3 years and it has been a game changer. The summer before I got it I had issues at a few parks where the ac would cycle up and down and my outside frig would overheat and shutoff. After talking to a neighbour at a park who had one I was sold. I wired a 50 amp plug inside my camper basement so I can use it or not.

@Assassin1959 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and great info. I don't have this particular auto former, but I do have their watch dog Hughes protection surge guard. I've been thinking on getting a Hughes Autoformer and I think you just convince me of making the jump.

@jayward4600 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation of Volts/Amps/Watts. Bought the 50 amp Surge Guard on your recomendation and have the remote readout to monitor power usage. In some parks in the summer power can become iffy with two AC's running. Looks like I'll consider the Autoformer next (as a former broadcast engineer I do understand step-up transformers) but want to wait for Mike Sokol's report (I'm a subscriber). Keep up the great work, safe travels.

@PrecisionClays 2 жыл бұрын

I've been using a 30A Hughes Autoformer for a few years. It is great, does exactly as it should. Good advice on the separate surge/low voltage guard to shut down your RV if thresholds exceeded. Haven't had that happen but most of my use has been in the paddocks of race tracks. Had a little low voltage at times which the Hughes Autoformer takes care of. Nothing outside it's capability yet and I have the cut-offs you discussed (over/under voltage). The wires will always handle the amperage they are rated for BUT the voltage will drop over distance.

@NationalRVTrainingAcademy 2 жыл бұрын

Great test and explanation.

@preachers4135 2 жыл бұрын

@ NRVTA Thanks to you Tuesday’s are better than they’ve ever been!

@STF68 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome explanation !! Thank You

@davidw7776 2 жыл бұрын

Chad, you are a great source of information......

@mike_adams 2 жыл бұрын

Great episode

@GunsmithLC 2 жыл бұрын

Great video... I had only heard about these units about 3 months ago - and most who used them did hardwire them inside the camper so as not to run into 'permission' issues with the campgrounds.. It appears that a few disallow these units (if they find out you have one)... So, I'm looking forward for your video on installation.. :)

@computerfixer06 2 жыл бұрын

I like your explanation of how these work, you changed my mind on if they are a good or bad thing to have. That said, as a weekender I don't think its worth the expense for us. I already have a hardwired surge protector with high and low cutoff like yours, since the Hughes would be a supplement and not a replacement I can't justify the cost for just weekend trips. We could just go home if a park had big power problems. I'll put this on the 'must have' list if we ever go full time though!

@FulltimingBrinkley3950 2 жыл бұрын

I have the 30amp version of this and love it.

@markwoods7237 2 жыл бұрын

Great and informative video. 👍👍👍

@petitchenil 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. When we first started out we just had a surge protector and a digital plug in voltmeter in the kitchen outlet. One place had power at 103v and it dropped to 95v when the AC started. We had to forgo the AC and switch the fridge to gas. After that I got an autoformer and Hughes power watch dog with EPO and Bluetooth. Since we normally do dog shows and sit on asphalt with 300 other rigs in the heat of the summer we could not make it without the autoformer. Normally we only have 20A at the shows and the difference the autoformer makes is the difference between running one AC or not. And with good voltage, say 120v and higher we can run both AC’s on 30A. Right on the bubble in each case thanks to the Autoformer. Those few amps saved matter. Plus the equipment runs better at 120v than 105v. I’m also glad the code issue was cleared up as the NEC can’t reach to a plug in device. If anyone is dealing with low voltage they need to look into the Autoformer.

@robertshannon8947 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic explanation of volts to amps. I bought a trailer back in the 80s and at the Rv Park the voltage was 90 V on a 50 amp cord. Needless to say I only get to live in that trailer for 11 days before it burnt to the ground and took everything I owned …

@Rolfunther 2 жыл бұрын

Solid explanation. Thanks!

@kimcolangelo180 2 жыл бұрын

Great info. Hope Tara is continuing to mend well.

@donnac.1609 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation!!! I have run into low voltage in rv parks all over Arizona!! And Utah....

@19rockjeeper99 Жыл бұрын

Super helpful video. We have had our Hughes Autoformer since 2014. It doesn't have as many fancy lights as your newer model but it works very well. My only complaint is it is pretty heavy but well worth it! Keep up the good work and best wishes!

@mnmandthegang 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I need to get one, we always get down between 106-110 at this park in Cali

@crossroadsrvtravels 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video! Good job!!

@lcampm2 2 жыл бұрын

Very good! Thank you

@loufranklin 2 жыл бұрын

Very good explanation of how the Autoformer works, I always thought the naysayers are full of it saying it put more pressure on the campground power system!

@edwarddeyojr.793 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks chad,,,good idea,,i've heard of these things but never really checked in to them,,,😍

@idarmartin6022 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great teaching moment

@garyhogan7881 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chad. Technically it's a little above my paygrade, but you made it very clear.

@michaelmontag5863 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@Formulabruce 2 жыл бұрын

I used to build Boost transformers for customers that needed 220 volts and only had 203-208. Cost about 90 bucks to build today I imagine. I see its very handy with protection and indicators.. looks great!. I would use one ! Great way to simplify things, wow!

@brianclemens2707 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video Chad. Being a engineer with mobile power experience in broadcasting I support use of the Hughes. We did the same thing with larger 100 amp Stabline regulators for years!

@billdelong 2 жыл бұрын

Also a huge thanks to Tara as well for all the hard work in the editing that she does to make these videos HGTV quality!

@Todd_S 2 жыл бұрын

I bought my Hughes Autoformer over three years ago. It's been great and they don't steal park power. I use it mostly at my home when plugged into 30A shore power.

@stormpodorg9729 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job. Thank You.

@ablejohnson 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video!

@billdoyle3443 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Based on your video, I ordered the 50 amp autoformer from WalMart. Got it for $501, and got $45 back in capital one rewards. Great deal!

@daniellel256 2 жыл бұрын

We’re been using a 30amp Hughes autoformer for years and enjoy the piece of mind. Have fun with your new purchase.

@bobpurs 2 жыл бұрын

Nice explanation Chad.

@lonniemcnerney960 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@karlswope2331 2 жыл бұрын

Great video

@ronaldsimmons8346 2 жыл бұрын

great presentation on a subject that's kryptonite to most of us mortals.

@jimbeckyAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

great video. Thanks. Also you guys looked good on TV

@ChangingLanes 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! We sure weren't in the first episode much.. Hopefully more in the other episodes.. 😊

@coreymerritt7742 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation chad

@daviddion3731 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation. SCPO(SW), USN, Ret.

@timf6916 2 жыл бұрын

Nice, GOOD Information

@joycemoses2411 2 жыл бұрын

Very Interesting! Thanks!

@keithbrunette3774 2 жыл бұрын

Good Job

@arthurgandy8363 2 жыл бұрын

I have a motorhome with three heat pump/AC units. I built in the Hughes AF a couple years ago but I still use a pedestal surge protector bc the 50 ft 50 amp power cable and the power reel is over $1100 to replace. Worth the money in my book. By the way, on your recommendation we camped in Franklin NC last year. Did we enjoy it? Well we are going back for the whole month of September this year. Thanks!

@frankhoward2417 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Chad, good info in this video. I retired from the energy sector so could follow what you're saying. And I really loved the way you said it. You'd be a great instructor. I watched your video on the Las Vegas low voltage problem. My question is, do you encounter low voltage issues often?

@ChangingLanes 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 😊 Not very often at all. At least not below 110. But, while the autoformer's boost of 110V to 121V might not fix a run/no run issue, it will give our electronics and motors longer life by running cooler. And, when we DO run into a park like in Vegas in the future (103V) it might mean the difference in running or not running AC units.

@WILDEBILL308 2 жыл бұрын

Good explanation. Most people don't understand that low voltage creates heat. You are right the benefit of the surge guard used with the Hughes Autoformer will extend the range of power you can use. Personally I wouldn't hard wire it in just yet. It will be easier to move it to your class A when you get it. 😁

@markjackson1970 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know how you made me understand this Chinese arithmetic, but you did. Another excellent video from you two. I’m getting me a wristband made WWCD. What Would Chad Do. 😁

@LyfUninterrupted Жыл бұрын

We keep a 5th Wheel in Mexico at an RV park by the beach that is notorious for power fluctuations and outages. Just ordered this as well as the install kit to keep it away from prying eyes. Thanks for the excellent explanation of how this system works.

@ChangingLanes Жыл бұрын

Hope it works well for you! 👍🏼

@LuvSubbin 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! We've been using a Hughes Autoformer for many years. As you say, there are passionate people on both sides. When doing our research, we came across a hater that had one of the funniest statements ever made on the internet: "YOU PEOPLE KEEP FOCUSING ON OHM"S LAW. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY!!!" Ummm...

@bonniejohnson7067 Жыл бұрын

We have a 50 amp Grand Design 5th wheel. We bought the Watchdog EPO when be bought the RV last year. At some older campgrounds, the Watchdog shut our power off around 107 volts. We were dead in the water! The campground told us it was junk and to turn it off! I hardwired the Watchdog, that wasn't possible. I spoke with Hughes, and ended up getting a B Stock Autoformer. Haven't used it yet, but will be using while snowbirding in Florida. Just a little nervous about campgrounds giving us grief about the Autoformer. Thanks for your help....PS saw you at a GD Rally!

@PopRivest 2 жыл бұрын

Great. Thank you.

@KevinCoop1 2 жыл бұрын

In someone else’s video, they were talking about being illegal to use Autotransformers in RV’s. I immediately grabbed my NEC and sure enough, there was a change stating that Autotransformers are not allowed in RV’s. I contacted Hughs and asked them if the NEC affected them. I got an email back fro the companies President. Hughs autoformers are NOT classified or within the definition of an auto transformer in NEC. Please do something for me. Plug into shore power, turn on all of your AC units, all TV’s, and a few other things. Get ampere readings on L1, L2, and neutral. If you were tripping breakers in 100F interior ambient that much, I’m thinking you have a very unbalanced load. With everything being utilized at 120 volts off your 240 volt panel, it is very easy to have imbalance. You would have to be in excess of 45 amps for it to trip in approx. 1.5 hours one one leg. I can’t believe you have that much load. Maybe you do. Please let me know what loads you find. Respectfully, Kevin

@gordschultz1980 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always. I’d be curious with all the travel you do to different parks how often will this boost? 50% or more, etc

@ChangingLanes 2 жыл бұрын

If I had to guess I'd say 5-10% might get the full boost.

@derrickb1114 2 жыл бұрын

Great content as always, sure appreciate all your videos and the work you put into them. Looks like you are all on the mend and healing up quite nicely. Stay Alert….Stay Alive 🤙