Hunting Arrow Set Up Breakdown

No video

Hunting Arrow Set Up Breakdown

Рет қаралды 28,535

Күн бұрын

Details and philosophy on the hunting arrow setups that Sam and I are shooting...
Spartan Forge Discount Code: DIY for 20% Off
*Disclaimer - Sponsored by Spartan Forge and Tethrd (and do product development behind the scenes with both). Amazon links are affiliate - feel free to look around for the best price)
Link to my Gear List: diy-sportsman.c...
Sony AX700: amzn.to/2C24P9h
Rode Wireless Go Mic: amzn.to/2WjGKS6
Podcast: sportsmensnati...
Amazon storefront: amazon.com/sho...
fobarchery.com... Code: DIY10 for 10% off
Vector Custom Shop (Code DIY10 for arrow discount)

Пікірлер: 97

@averagejackarchery 3 жыл бұрын

Sam's arrow is a flying tank. Love the look of that build. Dead on with the forgiveness. Such an overlooked aspect you can't punch into a computer. Gotta get out and try them.

@javierissac2792 3 жыл бұрын

i realize I am quite randomly asking but do anyone know a good place to stream newly released movies online ?

@walterlucca4523 3 жыл бұрын

@Javier Issac Flixportal =)

@javierissac2792 3 жыл бұрын

@Walter Lucca thanks, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) Appreciate it !

@walterlucca4523 3 жыл бұрын

@Javier Issac No problem =)

@seanbalch7563 3 жыл бұрын

I love how technical your videos are. You’re a brain!

@brandonbirdsill1937 3 жыл бұрын

Another extremely well explained video. You are an asset to so many hunters.

@flounderwetspot8524 3 жыл бұрын

I love geeking out and getting the why from Garret. Viewing things from a true engineers prospective and thought process behind the scenes is awesome my dude. Keep it up.

@daviddeleskyhhjhhjjhjh9391 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. I hope to see your long bow arrow setup and explained too!

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'll be sure to include some traditional videos!

@sarafayelawton652 3 жыл бұрын

I second the trad setup!

@larrytellman3490 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video. You touched on a point that I've been thinking about and no one else has mentioned. That is that each bow setup had a maximum kinetic energy it can generate at full draw. A well tuned bow with an optimally matched arrow configuration we can get the most efficient energy transfered to the arrow. After launch, the rest is purely Newtonian physics. You did a great job pointing out the critical criteria that drive compromise in arrow setups: an acceptable trajectory, forgiveness and price. Well done!

@houghtonic1975 3 жыл бұрын

If you are using easton 2 part epoxy, you can still get the insert back. You use a torch to heat a fieldpoint and then the epoxy will release...it takes work, but using a torch on the fieldpoint and then pliers on the fieldpoint and the carbon shaft, you can get the insert out. I've done it.

@feralgrandad4429 3 жыл бұрын

Concise as always. I think 510g to 550g is a sweet place to be at for arrow weight, I'm running 535g right now. Great thing about Sam having a shorter draw is you tend to get an advantage with FOC. With my Hobbit 26.5 inch draw length I get 21% which is nice.

@TheWVgoodguy22 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your set ups. I couldn't use the Fobs since I have a whisker biscuit. Thinking about doing a 4 fletch low profile vane and a single bevel from someone.

@alexdado1512 3 жыл бұрын

Great content Garrett. I’ve been using .204 id arrows for 3 seasons now, and last year switched to the victory rip tko’s as you did. Love them. Last year my hunting setup was very similar to yours, but as you pointed out in the video the cost of losing arrows was bothering me. So I tested out using the brass hit’s and gold tip aluminum impact collars. Shot that setup into multiple concrete blocks with no bending, breakage, or other damage. I’m convinced that I won’t notice a performance difference vs the iron will system. I’m also going to experiment with other less expensive broadheads that also have high structural integrity this offseason, mainly the Kayuga single bevels but also possibly the Annihilator XL.

@NPC-fl3gq 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, just so you know... Sometimes (depending on age, type of epoxy used etc) you can remove an insert that's been epoxied in... Yup... By heating it, just like hot melt. Its worth a try if you've used expensive gear and you want it back.

@chasedixon6803 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting build. I think the biggest difference I see in the higher end arrows that have a straightness of .001 compared to some arrows that are in the (.007-.004) range is the spine index. I have tested a pile of arrows within all specs and there is a noticeable difference between the two. I'm currently running a 250 spine Easton Hexx (.001) and you would be hard pressed to find the index and any variance between arrows. Love the videos man, enjoy hearing archery from an engineering POV.

@JimTheHunt 3 жыл бұрын

I use the 250 grain bloodeagle Valkyrie broadheads with a 610 grain arrow. I get pass through's on elk and I have killed two bulls with that broadhead. The elk that I shot was 40 yards and the other was 65. Both were complete pass through. The Blookeagle are $25 dollars a broadhead.

@peterupdikeswildtreasures4055 3 жыл бұрын

great video, a little over my head, but I'll stayed tuned. picking up stuff along the way. Thanks..........

@CJLiveFromTheOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Good discussion. Brought some arrow-building details I hadn't seen before. Thanks!

@dgriswold93 3 жыл бұрын

So your wife's setup is pretty damn similar to what an average guy could expect to get out of a ~50 lb traditional bow with that weight arrow. Very deadly setup!

@markdkimble 3 жыл бұрын

You're a mad genius Garrett!

@michaelfrost2402 3 жыл бұрын

I also regret using the supplied epoxy to secure the inserts to my arrow setup. Lesson learned! You do a great job in your explanation and processes in your videos. I really like the emphasis on safety when it is a factor. Good luck this year. 2021.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

I ended up going back and was able to pound out most of the inserts with the drill bit method. I think I might have lost one arrow where the insert took a big chunk of carbon with it. But now I've been able to hot melt inserts in and out, heat up in boiling water to be able to rotate etc.

@greyhunter9287 Жыл бұрын

Great Video! Would love to see you do something similar for your Trad Bow

@BWB-vb9xb 3 жыл бұрын

Give TAC Vanes 2" Driver a test, you might like them. I get a much flatter trajectory with them on my heavy arrows.

@cdp50359 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, very well explained

@TheLZempir3 3 жыл бұрын

Stone cold intro. I love it.

@chazatkinson 3 жыл бұрын

Love video Fobs not so much

@ronlongwellphoto 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, Garrett!! Thanks for the details!

@josephtreadlightly5686 2 жыл бұрын

I like to buy bare shafts a dozen @ a time. I found with the Victory VAP TKO's which r .166 ID. I can usually tune 11 out of 12 to shoot the same. I use 4 bright green 1.75" Bohning X3 vanes on that small shaft. They r a shield cut & a small profile setup that gives me great FOC even though I have a 30" draw. My old 520 grain was 18.5%. When I went all in on the Valkyrie Viking Centerpin system it took me up to 20.50%. Longer draw means a longer arrow with more spine stiffness & even a modest 1% increase is hard to get w/o sacrifice. I'm not losing much trajectory. Trajectory to me from a 🌳 is deciding which branch u need to shoot over & which 1 u need to shoot under. Nothing to do with how much the arrow is going to drop @ a given distance. A quieter setup which is forgiving & efficient should over time provide much less problems. 25 years ago a # of 1200 fps was given for how quick a deer reacts to a foreign sound. Probably why the muzzleloader shoots 1500 fps, lol. Out of all the Victory VAP's I've made they were all .006 tolerance. I took the $$ I saved on that to upgrade to the Valkyrie 210 short Jag with the Viking Centerpin system & the field points with the same system. The threads r not in the back of an insert which I've never liked. Also Valkyrie puts 2 little black bands that fit into slots on the rear of the Centerpin. That along with the AAE Max Impact glue makes an arrow that will most likely outlast me. Thanks for going into the details Garret & I'm looking forward to a spring video when it's not so brutal here in MN.🥶

@DIYSportsman 2 жыл бұрын

That 1200fps number is from the speed of sound which is ~1125fps. Faster than that and the projectile arrives before the noise does. The other factor is reaction time. If you know the projectile speed and reaction time of the animal, you can calculate the max distance you could shoot before they can start to react. It's typically pretty close. The big question seems to be how much they're going to react once they start, which is so hard to predict, and where a quiet setup seems to start to have its effect.

@josephtreadlightly5686 2 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman I totally agree. Quiet is better & more efficient. The key is to be ready @ full draw just out in front of the animal. My setups r for 20 yards & in from a 🌳. But I time that front leg on a whitetail that swings. Within 20 yards my accuracy on a walking deer is no different than when it's standing still. Not the same thing @ all when I'm trying to hit that 10 ring on a target indoors @ a known distance of 20 yards. Using your mouth to stop is really a 50/50 guess. I prefer the animal to be relaxed. Less movement b4 impact along with a deer that usually will stop to see what happened. Then tip over. Really doesn't have to be so many 8+ hour waiting periods. Preparation is the key & u have many months to prepare.

@timk1512 3 жыл бұрын

at 41 2021 will be by 5th season as a hunter, and 4th season hunting archery. I find your videos invaluable!!!! Thank you so much! I love how technical you are!

@royhoglund1322 3 жыл бұрын

Great arrow and broadhead set up review. Thanks for sharing.

@51cathedral51 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks G! It’s so easy. 550 or above with the highest foc. For you and her. The fairy will agree!?!?!

@51cathedral51 2 жыл бұрын

Forgiveness in bow always trumps everything

@dualthreatoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

I get the FOC argument and fixed heads for low poundage setups, but I’ve been shooting mechanicals for 10 years with 70 lb bows, and I’ve never had an issue with penetration or opening. Just excellent blood trails and quick kills, even on shots that weren’t perfect. I’ve tried fixed blades and could never get them to fly true either. My grim reaper whitetail specials fly like field points and I rarely have to adjust my sight before season when I start using my broadheads.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

I think that's a fair argument. I mostly haven't had issues with mechanicals either. There is one instance in when I watched an over-the-top style 3 blade deflect on ribs on a medium quartering away and luckily nicked an artery running down to the leg, which caused the deer to bleed out a day later. I also had an older style rage ferrule bend. Found the arrow but not the deer. Those two instances I think a good fixed would have performed better. But mostly for me it's the possibility of wanting to take a shot where shoulder might come into the equation. Like the buck I shot last year. I probably wouldn't have taken that shot with a big mechanical, and probably wasn't getting a better shot opportunity. That said I do have a few sevr 1.5 heads for high wind hunts when I hunt further west. They don't penetrate as well and have a relatively small cutting surface, but the forgiveness is pretty undeniable, and they seem to be pretty tough.

@dualthreatoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman that’s a fair point your buck this year was definitely better suited for a fixed blade. So far all my shots have either been quartering away or broadside and I haven’t had any issues including with some shoulder blade shots. I know the hard bone at the center is a different story. But for shots that end up a bit back I’ll take a mechanical all day. For quartering to shots and shots that hit the hardest part of the shoulder fixed for sure. I just don’t like how Ranch Fairy is 100% against Mechanicals in all circumstances. I agree with how you assessed it in your comment. I run a 460 grain setup that slows my IBO down from 350 to 301 FPS, but it’s worth it for that extra kinetic energy.

@tonyezolt4560 3 жыл бұрын

If you could "never get fixed blades to fly true" you need to learn to tune your bow, it's VERY simple.

@dualthreatoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын

@@tonyezolt4560 I never needed them. Never had penetration issues with mechanicals because i shoot high poundage

@ikerapt6702 3 жыл бұрын

something that no one talks about related to string jumping is how much wind there is and factors such as if the shot is in an open area or in the woods and if the woods are thick....also if there are leaves on the trees. I find deer dont hear anything If theres a moderate wind and they hardly ever string jump if they're in thick cover and already feel safe. They jump alot if feeding in the open or if theres no leaves on the trees and snow on the ground.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Ambient noise from windy tree canopies and cover definitely covers up a lot of noise compared to cold, quiet and open, and when they're a little more on edge.

@patrickhaney7540 3 жыл бұрын

Why not use a 2 blade single bevel for Sam's broadhead? They are proven to penetrate better than 3 blades. The single bevel also rotates and creates a larger wound channel. Just curious.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

Good question. For soft tissue, I actually think the valkyrie 3 blade penetrates better than most any other head I've seen regardless of style. We've done push testing into chest cavities like I mentioned in the video but also other testing I've seen with plunge testing shows similar results. I've also seen really poor values with "normal" 3 blade heads. I struggled to even get a muzzy or exodus head to push into the chest cavity for instance. Tip design and especially the mechanical advantage both make the Valkyrie an "atypical" 3 blade head. I presume if Ashby had one to try it would have done well in his testing. Now, would a single bevel do better on heavy bone? Perhaps it may. I don't really have the results to say one way or the other. That said, Sam is pretty particular on waiting for really good shot opportunities (close, broadside or quartering away) where hitting the knuckle is really unlikely. She probably wouldn't take a quartering in shot.

@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610 3 жыл бұрын

interesting want a Cape Buffalo set up, need to try to the fobs too

@cahawkins86 3 жыл бұрын

Great job!

@MayorOfGoodells 3 жыл бұрын

Good info. I'd like so see how you will be installing your insert and collar in the future so they can be removed.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

Aron Snyder has a video like that on the Kifarucast channel.

@jordanpowell228 3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see an informed review of the nexxus arrow shafts.

@bucksniper65 3 жыл бұрын

Curious with your engineering background why you didn't go with a heavier head or a broadhead machined out of a piece of steel? It would be stronger due to having thicker blades and the increase in foc would help a little with better penetration on heavy bone contact.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

I've tried the heavier single piece heads before. They work well too. From a structural integrity standpoint some of these multi piece heads do surprisingly well. Thats not true for every multi-piece head, but I've got no concerns with the the Iron Will for example after a couple seasons of testing and use. I asked their owner the same question a couple years ago, and his answer made sense. With a 2 piece head, you can select an optimized material for the blade and an optimized material for the ferrule rather than one material that is just pretty good for both. You can also leverage different manufacturing methods like swiss machining for better run-out tolerances. In regards to weight and FOC, my penetration is already really good, and capable of breaking bone. I'd get more benefit on the FOC side by ditching the lighted nock or going to lighter fletching. So then it just comes down to a balance of overall weight and trajectory that I'm happy with. I shot a couple deer over 650 grains with heavier Bishop and Cutthroat single bevels and in either case the arrow was still stuck pretty far on the other side of the deer like it is with this setup. But the trajectory wasn't as friendly out past 30 yards etc.

@madbearproductions8375 3 жыл бұрын

Nice looking hunting arrows

@flushot6513 3 жыл бұрын

But by time you cut that much length off you have a .001 straightness

@x2outdoors 3 жыл бұрын

Great info man thanks

@jordandybvig168 3 жыл бұрын

What are your thoughts on the Firenocks and have you had any issues with the lights turning off upon impact? I’ve tried Nocturnal, Glory, and Spot nocks and had issues with all three. Looking for something better and saw you running those. Any feedback is appreciated!

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't really had any issues with them, provided I did a good job installing them. The two downsides are that they're harder to install, and way more expensive than other nocks. I'm going to try nocturnal again this year to compare with because I hadn't tried them in a few years. But I haven't had any issues with the performance of the firenocks.

@littlewoody5539 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t have any problems with 450bm 😁

@flushot6513 3 жыл бұрын

It's kinda like once you used nicer things it's hard to go back to anything less

@rolandfdugasjr7503 3 жыл бұрын

Do you carry your bow attached to your pack while saddle hunting? I am not very satisfied with the method I've used in the past. I am using a Molly style pack and looking for a good system to make the attachment.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

I typically just carry my bow in my hand and use a Doyle's gear hoist to pull it up the tree. For the times I do attach my bow toy pack I'll use a pack that has compression straps across the face, like the Sitka Tool Bucket.

@timbow50 2 жыл бұрын

Why are you using those fob things? Great video

@DIYSportsman 2 жыл бұрын

They did a great job of stabilizing broadhead flight for me, and are easy to add and remove for bareshaft testing stuff. If I'm not using those I'm generally using some type of high profile vane in a 3 fletch with a good amount of helical

@888yhwoArt 3 жыл бұрын

Victory now has a lighted nock for the VAPs. Will that stay w the arrow when you use the FOBs? What poundage is Sam’s bow?

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

If used stock like Sam is now, any nock would come off with the FOB. The only way to keep the nock intact is to modify the FOB to slide over the shaft. But also, the nock needs to have a smaller profile or equal to the arrow or wrap. I'm not 100% sure, but just by looking at a picture of the spot nock, I think the profile might be too large on the nock itself to work like that. Sam's bow is 40lb at 25" draw.

@888yhwoArt 3 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman thanks! I’m doing an arrow build for my daughter’s 40 # T18 Gearhead. She had a pass through with the iron will, although several other shots didn’t. Still edging toward a heavier FOC, maybe trying the FOB, of course keeping the shots in the 20 yd range.

@GSPDUCKDOG 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry, a little off topic but how did Sam like the Fanatic pack (I think that is the pack she used on some of her hunts)?

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

It was OK although she did mention a few times it was a bit warm on the earlier season hunts. The Tool bucket is more versatile overall, while the fanatic is a bit quieter.

@clarkansas6590 3 жыл бұрын

Good info

@BelowAverageRazzleDazzle 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of Victory arrows myself. I use the micro VAPs. They're awesome.

@treyhedrick3346 2 жыл бұрын

I’m trying to decide between the rip tko and rip xv in a 250 spine. Have you found the added durability of the tko to be worth the extra $?

@DIYSportsman 2 жыл бұрын

I've not tried the 250 spine Rip xv. I think they are newer. I have tried the 300 spine 3dhv, which I believe are pretty much the equivalent, but marketed for target. And they were quite brittle and would usually break if I skipped an arrow off the target or hit the frame after forgetting to re-dial the sight etc. Maybe the 250 are better. The tko still has about 10% thicker wall.

@treyhedrick3346 2 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman Thank you! I definitely think I’ll go with the TKO for add durability. I’m currently holding out for the. 003 gamer model to come back in stock but it looks like you had good experience with the sport. The sport is currently in stock And tempting me. I hunt 30 yards and in. Do you think I would see a noticeable difference between the .003 and the .006?

@DIYSportsman 2 жыл бұрын

@@treyhedrick3346 I don't think so. I can't even shoot the difference at 80 yards with field points. If you cut from the wobbly end, that improves straightness on the stock full length .006, ensure each end is squared up with an arrow squaring device or similar, and lastly verify broadhead flight on each arrow to make sure it groups with the rest (and try nock tuning if it doesn't) and you'll be fine. Most of my additional purchases will be .001 but that's mainly justified by the difference in shaft price being a small part of the equation.

@treyhedrick3346 2 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman thank you! I appreciate your content and engagement with your subscribers.

@gibsonlife573 2 жыл бұрын

I just don't believe that you can get a arrow fast enough today to mount everything up here about a week a year as far as jumping the street because I've seen him shoot him with the ass bows I've seen him shoot him with slow bones they can still move out of the way of that arrow

@DavidGonzalez-ek3zh 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid. Why fob's and not reg vanes? TY

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

For Sam it was the quickest, simplest setup initially and she gained confidence early, so we didn't want to introduce too many new variables with her still being pretty new. For me, it tested to be more forgiving with the bigger broadheads. Most of what I compared against were smaller vane profiles. This year I might compare with other larger profile vanes to see if I want to switch to those or stick with the FOBs again. The setup has worked pretty well so I have no reason to switch other than to keep tinkering and experimenting.

@adambreeggemann6548 3 жыл бұрын

How did you like the Vector HMR arrows you tried?

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

The spine consistency and durability of the shafts are both really great. They are a little higher GPI but another good option.

@arrowsquirrel1563 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a video of the penetrating test on the deer you mentioned in the video.

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

No I've got all of the footage on my computer but haven't posted it. In a nutshell though all of the sharp cut on contact heads did really well, and the chisel tip fixed blades were really hard to push through. Similar effort to mechanicals to initially breach the hide.

@beforethehunt 3 жыл бұрын

Would u be comfortable on a quartering to shot with your setup inside 30 yards from a treestand?

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

More comfortable inside of 20 I'd say and lower to the ground but still situational dependent. The arrow can handle it but there's a lot of variables shooting a downward quartering to angle if you throw string jumping into the equation. I'd really only consider it if I didn't think I was going to get a better shot and felt really confident in the positioning of the vitals in 3d.

@beforethehunt 3 жыл бұрын

@@DIYSportsman would u be more comfortable with the quartering to shot if your arrow was closer to 600 grains?

@DIYSportsman 3 жыл бұрын

It certainly wouldn't hurt. If I knew I was only going to be taking shots under say 25-30 yards I'd probably go heavier. That would probably put my setup around 250fps, which is a speed I've hunted with a for a long time. For crossover western hunts or the possibility of the occasional whitetail shot over 30 yards I have grown pretty fond of the current trajectory. But there's realistically a range of weight/speed I'd be pretty happy with overall.