My guess. He killed the kids that he saw traits from his wife in. Seems like that's how deep his hatred ran at the end

Reminds me of John List. He even killed his mom smh

I assumed the kids where on the mom side, and he didn't like that

Not the male kids because in his sick mind women are the problem

He saw the girls as mini me's of his wife , I think he stopped seeing them as his kids and saw them as the enemy as they stuck by their mom , either he , or the girls decided they didn't want a relationship with each other , whereas his Son obviously still wanted contact , hence why he kept him alive , although the poor lad still has to live with what happened.

If you're gonna do something do it with conviction I guess.

I think the emotional impact of how his marriage ended broke his mind.

​@@rabd3721His behavior and toxic masculinity impacted his marriage

@@talkingtochapriHer betrayal caused it.

​@@Billy-bc8pkmoron

Yep I know a dude this same thing happend to except he didn't kill any one. Let a 2nd woman come in to him and his wifes marriage the wife sees there are other options out there and kicks him out the house. Now his house has rainbow flags all hanging on the front porch and 2 bowl cut Ladys and 5 dogs living there one is my ant and she dosnt feel sorry for splitting up a marriage at all. I still thank it was shady and wrong but the out come is every one is more happy. Except the guy his life sucks but who cares about him I guess his fault for being born.

@@robertstone9988 Or he could just grow some balls and find a new btch instead of being one

@@robertstone9988 It's more sad for him to continue being with a woman/wife who does not want him anyway you know. That's just pure misery for everyone

@@RosieyMarie I don't know I still think home-wrecking is a pretty bad thing to do even if it results into 2 of the people being happier. My aunt is a very narcissistic and selfish person she did not care that she was destroying a marriage whether or not that marriage was doomed to begin with or not she knew exactly what she was doing when she tore it apart for her own selfish reasons I still don't think you get to murder people who do that to you. And to be honest I haven't talked to that guy in years. After my aunt stole his life we didn't see him very much after that go figure. Luckily there were no kids involved just wasted time and I guess he lost his house

End? Why would he have wanted it to end!?

@KarenUnleashed ok but I need to know he was able to move forward (mostly) with his life.

​@@kindacrazyAna14i doubt it. Jesus. Trauma lasts awhile.

hey sean, a good way of coping is thru the use of hard drugs- particularly crack cocaine and heroin

Kraig was OCD and yeesh- narcissist and MISER; how did he ever MARRY???!!

Do you mean his son? His mother was abusing him and using him to hurt his father. Are you dumb?

He initiated it not her...

@@joas3324 😂😂😂Do you think I am stupid? Women have a way of initiating things and making you THINK it was your idea. She’s the one who is a lesbian and leaving her husband for a woman. How was that his idea?

@@trevorthetherapist4200 Idi*t i know this case,this is an old case,he initiated it.Dr.Grande didnt do his research

@@trevorthetherapist4200 who asked

@@joas3324 I think that’s not true. She came to him with a request to fool around with a woman from her workplace.

That is what can possibly happen when someone really "snaps"

@@easy_eight2810 If he just "snapped", he wouldn't have let his son live. He knew what he was doing. He hated women, even an innocent old woman and his own kids.

He was the problem….. unhinged.

Daughters - not children - daughters. There is a long history of killing women and daughters as they are the principal scapegoat in male psychosis. This episode is just that. Another chapter in a millennium’s old book of casting women as conspirators, temptresses and witches. 😢

@@altaisrs2857 he didn't "hate women", you can't always just simplify things like that if you really want to understand anything. He targeted women here of course, but for a reason. The wife is obvious, the daughters at that moment at least he saw as "little Karens" essentially projecting his wife on to them. He likely saw Karens mother in a similar way, a conspirator facilitating the destruction of his family. It has nothing to do with hate towards women in general. If his son had been a mommas boy, hadn't asked to stay with the dad longer, or had openly shown disdain for the dad then he would have been killed right along with the women that day.

That number is much, much higher, actually. More like 75-80%.

Yes…this video/analysis has a very odd undertone where it seemed like Dr. Grande was victim blaming

​@@errinemcgrew7649I see no victim blaming, at all. It's just a basic fact that how you treat people has consequences. Antagonizing a narcissist had it's own. She didnt make him do anything, but what she did do in public, at a party, had an impact. You can't ignore the whole of contributing factors just because he's warped. Plenty of people have married psychopaths and lived. Their problems are no excuse not to be reasonably careful with their feelings

You do that when your a ticking time bomb... the wife already stated she was afraid for her safety that's why she met him at a different spot to pick her son up .. then you have the girlfriend sending him texts antagonizing him, and the flirting at the party with her,,😬 that's just asking for some real trouble,, to me

​@@amandafeysoon it will be even higher. I think the whole concept of maraige is going to be modified to set amount of years eventually and will operate like a binding contract for two people to remain faithful for maybe 5 or 10 years and the first person that can prove the others infidelity is awarded 100% of the combined assets and custody of the children or something like that. The only way to ensure 90% of marriages don't fail like its headed now is to have an devastating result for the first person that can be proven to have violated the contract (which is going to get more and more easy to prove as our technology evolves into us having no privacy ever). I think in 40 years this comment is gonna age quite well 😂

Misogyny

His son was the one who wanted to spend time with him on the ranch. He probably felt like his son was loyal to him in a way the others weren't.

femicide

@@rossshand4385 I think every boy wants his father’s approval. It’s like an unspoken rite of passage.

@@rossshand4385 but after this he definitely hate his father. Such a shame

Lol yes…. There does seem to be a high divorce rate among the people that identify as personal trainers ?

Ahaha right !

That’s always the way it goes 😭

Dance instructor also high on list of careers rife with trouble.

😂😂😂

How though? Just curious as to what signs he gave off ...

@@khyatiroy516 He was the director of water and light in our town. That's a pretty big job, and it was a big deal when he was hired.. But he only lasted about a year before he started acting bizarrely, talking incessantly about his marital problems. His staff was aware of his wife's lesbian relationship, which was a little odd for someone at that high level.

​@@marych3425so he _wasn't_ observed to be off before this happened

Sounds like this affair drove him crazy.

@@trfaisonthat’s just who he is. Affair didn’t drive him crazy. He is just sociopathic.

Says it all imo

He was much better looking than Karen. Karen was built like a refrigerator.

More like a smugshot photo

He look like Abraham Lincoln

Nah the guy looked happy and self satisfied

Especially 20 years after the fact an 4 kids in

it's very common for lesbo women to attempt breaking up straight relationships. That's why James should've dusted her off instead of his daughters.

And avoid murderers.

@@syeddaahmed7460 😅 yes that too

Fellas, don’t get married period. There’s nothing in it for us. You don’t need a ring to have a great life with someone. It only makes it harder to break free when betrayed.

@@timothy4011 exactly

Ultimate control freak act

Jealously is more powerful then anything you can imagine if you let it....

fuck you. hold on - first of all i am not enjoying the quips and word play. not for this one. this is incredibly serious. secondly, the issue here is not that he was "rejected romantically," but that his entire family was ripped away from him by his wife's mid-life crisis, post menopausal love affair with another woman. a woman she had met during his absence FOR WORK, FOR HIS FAMILY. this is not a romantic rejection. and as a psychotherapist, todd should know better, this is an entire meltdown of the only thing that a man ever cares about - his wife and his children - his family. his world was destroyed. so enough with the quips. and please show this man and that relationship the gravity deserved. he was destroyed. by her. not a justification. but certainly a fundamental truth.

“He was sooo controlling! He got upset when I licked another woman’s pussy. OMG!”

she should not have cheated on him and especially not in front of guests. She was just as abusive tbh

I would have. Someone wanting an affair is basically saying "You're not good enough for me."

The story that she went to him for permission to have a lesbian affair is most likely BS.

not so easy Rosy.. there are children involved, and he needed her at least sexually, and supported the family financially

Yeah but he probably didn’t take the affair too seriously because it was lesbian. Porn and popular culture often portrays lesbian affairs as something all women do but without the commitment they have to their man.

​@@wilhelmhagberg8854does that not make them gay?

What family?

@@sdsurfgirl60 Two surviving siblings and anyone else harmed.

The deterioration of his mental state in real time

yup

beau she kill her family that's why lol scary 😂

So true!

But you can't judge a book by its cover. There are plenty of so-called 'scary villain' looking people who have hearts of gold, and kindly gentle looking people who are totally evil.

P.s. I feel sorry for the people who are actually good & kindly but who had the bad luck to be born with a face that has a stereotypical 'villain' appearance (low set brows, deep set eyes and large angular pointy nose). Hollywood has a LOT to answer for in perpetuating those stereotypes!

It wasn’t.

Objection your honour!!! Speculation

@@jokesonyou1373 not in court just a YT comment section 😉

Way to ruin a joke.

@@hhealy7199 note the wink emoji.

It's not warm when she's away.

I know!

@@drivenmad7676 👍🏻

And she's always gone too long

@@MatthewMS. 👍🏻

I think having an affair tipped him over the edge , flirting in front of everyone with her lesbian lover is almost like poking a bear , if she knows what he is like then why humiliate him , if she was so unhappy why not ask for a divorce , why have your cake and eat it , seems she wasn't as nice as people think just because she was killed , did she deserve to be killed , of course not , but her actions put her and her kids in danger and the worse thing possible ultimately happened. Had she divorced him and then found love with someone else , he might still have done it , but at least it wasn't through her playing with fire.

Never assume that the person you've just met is joking. These are some of the words that I live by. People you meet may think that you're humourless at first, but in the long run it helps a lot.

​​​ she was probably the dominant one in the relationship while they were together (I mean she obviously didn't fear him if she humiliated him like that in front of ppl) so he probably was depressed and had low self esteem (and some mental disorder) and the divorce + humiliation was the ultimate emasculation so he felt doing this massacre was the only way to regain his self respect , hence why he only killed the females.

@@ekl2947 I don't think the OP is blaming the victims. I think he's just making the point that some people seem very reasonable and normal, and you just don't know how close they are to the edge until it's too late.

​@@ekl2947don't put yourself in other people's business is a sure way not to instigate problems in other people's business

@user-jo3pd6nk3t Now that ‘s called dedication [or sickness lol]

The 2nd one

Are you serious? Why do we get so obsessed with things like this. As if we make people Gods! I’m starting to worry about our society.

@@HopefulInterventionsbecause people love their escapism. duh.

I thought you were going to say that you went home and murdered your own family over the dropped laptop….. 😂 glad it was to watch this episode instead

Agreed. He hates women more than he loves his son. I hope that poor boy gets a lot of love from family and friends - he needs it.

That was my take on it too, he was wiping out all the women because of his rage and frustration.

@@GGiblet No he wiped out all the women because they did exactly what all of you broads are illustrating here. Huddling together. Neutrality be damned.

@@theViomax How do you know what his daughters were thinking? Are you blaming them for their father murdering them?

@@theViomax I'm not sure what's going on with you but I hope you feel better soon 🌻

time to feel good ya!

True. The human species is doomed and nobody will miss us. I, for one, will be welcoming our new AI overlords with open arms, the sooner the better. We have been given intelligence but can't overcome the primordial instinct of the self serving ego. Perhaps, our greatest achievement will be passing and relinquishing intelligence to a higher form of existence in AI, one that is not so regulated by negative emotions and pettiness. The most dangerous combination in all creatures is a mix of intelligence and emotions, it can produce such great beauty and love, but also capable of heinous atrocities and suffering.

More like the fragility of this man’s ego.

The fragility of men and their ego

@metsrus I agree that we are doomed as a species & I embrace the end of humanity so that the earth can hopefully heal with our mass departure. We are a pest to the earth & we are our own pesticide. Humans will always be foolish, & I strongly believe we will snuff ourselves out if nature doesn’t do it first with climate change. I say good riddance. I do hope that AI doesn’t advance enough to exist on its own before that as I want the natural world to simply to return to itself as close as possible before our entrance onto the planet at least insofar as humankind in the more modern sense- not to say Modernism & since (as in with industrialization & such but the Anthropocene in general, which began the moment we started crossing continents & colonizing others). It’s the least we can do to exit the planet before we do it (even more) irreparable damage. We’ll be snuffed out someday at least & that will be a happy day. I feel no shame saying this as mankind will have done it to itself. It’s the foolishness & selfishness of people that is at fault, as well as people’s utter inability to either see these traits or to honestly recognize them as truth.- Again that’s the selfishness. So here’s to the apocalypse!

@@metsrusHumans will merge with ai. I’m going with the panspermia theory. We can’t even survive on this planet without simple technology like fire💀

You're super cute btw

It's a Grateful Dead reference...

There is a longer video on this case. Where it says that only his son was seeing him. And he felt like his daughters had turned against him. Or something to that degree.

@@tonytandtherevengeofthecru9108 Interesting!….

Me too. I'm shocked.

Maybe he intended to but got caught first?

Few comments mention it? Huh? Everyone is talking about it and the surviving son.

We don’t know that. His daughters were probably stupid thots who did nothing but get D’d by black dudes and talk about celebrities. He just hates women at that point, I think that’s why he killed only the girls

Yeah, how could any sane person murder two beautiful children? He apparently morphed into a misogynistic psychopathic killer.

Agree! Thank you for the details about their marriage. It appears the husband was very controlling and abusive. This man also appeared fragile and desperate, probably holding it together by skin of his teeth for his whole life. Still, there is no excuse for his abuse. Leaving him would be hard, but leaving him for another partner is lighting the fuse. Neither parent was thinking about the children. That Sunny lady, with her selfish and manipulative ways, is also responsible for the consequences in this heartbreaking case.

Never underestimate.. the predictability...of Cheating...

Why are people surprised when an abusive husband snaps when his wife flaunts her affair? When does that ever end well? This was always the inevitable conclusion, it happens time and time again.

​@@thepolitewierdoits not a suprise at all. Its very sad.

@@aratneerg3699 You’re right. And it’s heartbreaking that a young boy is now left without his family and he’s the one who has to deal with the awful consequences.

His DISORDER is called EVIL.

@@nhmooytis7058 Show me in the DSM5 where that is a diagnosis. 🙂

All it takes is just one bad day to make even the best man crumble to bits. Or at least that's what joker said in that one fictional comic decades ago...

He was probably at peace. Got so messed up being married to her. We was at peace

It’s easy to get a fragile ego if you are already holding a lot it. Cheating with a man is one thing, but a woman? Yeah that’s humiliating and the fact she did that in public with her lover, sparked more fire.

Problem is we go goo goo and give women the relationship they want on there terms. Any card game where the deck is stacked against me and for you is a game I refuse to play. Never sign a contract that only benefits one person to break it

Has nothing to do with learning, dont trample ppl feelings, sometimes its the loss/pain is too much to bear. Its just a sordid affair

Maybe he wanted the woman he married. Not everyone accepts divorce. He snapped after being emasculated.

No woman loves any man. They only love what the dude can do for them.

@@MM-hf6omshe gave into his sexual demands, gave him children and went under his controlling thumb for years. And somehow he didn't think that she would find better in an affair.

It's very easy to blame someone when they murder innocent people in cold blood for some kind of bloodlust revenge. You seem to be edging towards sympathy for the man and placing some level of accountability on the victims. He was a sick, evil man.

@@ph-vf5hxThis is a classic story. Woman in a controlling relationship steps out and has an affair, then she’s surprised that said controlling spouse goes crazy. Why do people think flaunting an affair in front a volatile husband or partner will end well? The conclusion is always the same. It’s really not that hard to NOT have an affair.

He is responsible for the murders. He should've got help when the jealousy began. Jealousy is controling, not loving.

​@@thepolitewierdoshe asked his permission.

@@aratneerg3699 After the affair had already started. And who does that? Be an adult, leave the marriage and put the children first. An abusive spouse doesn’t stop being abusive because his wife asked permission to sleep with someone else. If anything, that would make him more resentful and jealous, more dangerous. That’s not a great combination for someone who is controlling and volatile. It’s like poking the bear.

​@@Aaron722076Lol, he wouldn't allow the other relationship. He thought it was hot to be able to fetishise his wife having sex with another woman but got testy once he realised it was actually a real relationship

You sound like a bad person, these men sufferind in silence and you make everything about you (like a narcissist would).

Possibly could he have been a Borderline (BPD) rather than a Narcissist (NPD)? Borderlines are far more prone to suicide. NPD and BPD are much like two peas in a pod, and a leads-more-with-BPD person will often have many traits in common with a leads-with-NPD person. In my experience, a BPD would be more likely to be described as depressed.

Holy cow, please don’t remarry. For the safety of men everywhere, please stay single. Fellas, witness this specimen. Notice how 100% of the blame on her failed marriage is her husbands typical “narcissism.” He was so narcissistic that he took his own life after she destroyed his family and took his kids, likely.

@@theskyizblue2day431 oh, believe me I won't!!! Might run into someone like you.

@@theskyizblue2day431 This is clearly projection, she was most likely the abuser who drove him away.

Hi Dr Grande, I really enjoy your channel & analysis. I find it truly fascinating & love your style of presentation. Sometimes I see the little "hearts" you put on a few comments, so you clearly read (some?) of them?? them. There have been another few recent requests for case suggestions (ie Kaylea Titford) but you've not answered or put a ❤ (to acknowledge the request). I appreciate you can't read/reply to all your messages, as you get *SO* many! which is, of course, fantastic. So, how do you choose your cases? Are they from these comment sections? What is the best way for us to put forward a suggestion? Warmly - FeeBee

X a bizzlion

Why? He doesn't need them to carry on his name.

Nope! Dont put yourself on same par as the murderer

She destroyed their marriage and his career.

​@sinbadsailor1963 So you're not one of those people that believe in personal responsibility... got it👍

a personal trainer nonetheless

He …APPROVED it!!!!!

@@traybern even so...

AKA men are insane. Be cautious.

Your trying to promote cheating lol. Your kind of proving the dude right.

My ex tried that bs. I told her listen if you want out just leave. I'm not for this monkey branching bs . She begged to stay but I knew that was only because she wanted a new partner to go with before she left. It was the beginning of the end for us and good riddance

You never walked in his shoe. People shouldnt blatantly hurt each other in this terrible way, wife messed up the entire family, a person can bear so much and no more

@@empressannjam1 I see what you mean when you say this. He could only take so much before he snapped, I understand what you mean but at the end of the day it’s about whether it’s about the justice system sees it his way

​@@MM-hf6om🎤

@@empressannjam1 100% agree with this. People can only take so much.

Me too 😂

Or, or, don’t murder people when life inevitably doesn’t go your way lmfao

Don't switch teams in the middle of the game either. Quite a few fouls in this tale

Not just in the comments Dr. Grande was victim blaming as well

@@errinemcgrew7649 yeah that bothered me as well, but he mostly judged the mistress for breaking a marriage. The comments just pushed more hate on the wife.

It’s disgusting saying it would be different if sunny didn’t provoke him as if he wasn’t controlling with sex and money before the affair

even if she was the catalyst, its like what, so the wife should just be in denial the rest of her relationship knowing theres better for her out there? to me a part of real love is wanting whats best for the other person and for yourself- this man clearly didnt have those values

@@badbunnyky or maybe dont cheat and disrespect your husband constantly.

@@jhonklan3794 doing things that are bad or wrong isnt a death sentence oh my god

@@badbunnyky so the wife’s feelings/lack of self control go above the commitment she made to her husband?

@@squid_party8810 i mean the correct way to engage with this would have been for the couple to sit down and have an honest discussion about their marriage, their commitment, etc, and see if it would be possible for them to stay and be happy together. if the wife stayed with him but still felt tethered to this other person/life, and was just unhappy constantly as a result, i feel like thats just everyone losing. why would the husband want to stay w a woman who no longer wanted him? doesnt sound like a good life to me. but AGAIN, either way, breaking a marriage vow ISNT A DEATH SENTENCE are you people serious

If a women wants an open. Relationship it's over she's all ready been cheating or has someone lined up to do it