Can't they just bomb the planet?

@@imcool2931 Yeah if I knew this thing existed fuck everyone living on the planet, I'm pushing the exterminatus button

@@xxxxxx5868 wouldn't work too fast

@Chiefarino what about destabilizing the planet's core, causing it to explode?

@Chiefarino How about we build another Shrike and let them fight.

I had a wicked splinter, once... Pretty much the same thing right?

Well the spike isn't real. You're actually hooked up to a nueralink simulating lifetimes of pain. Struggling on the spike is just a visual really.

U for real ?

If, as I suspect, the Tree of Pain is actively controlled by the Shrike, it'll do the wiggling for, nay, *_TO_* you.

I'll reserve this information just in case I also find myself impaled on a sharp object

Filipe Ferreira it’s awesome, congratulations!

That's awesome

awesome

Fantastic art! I still think about the Shrike, even 20 years after reading the books

You did a fucking excellent job, man!

@Joshua Militar 40k in general makes the shrike look like a tea party

@@thesandman2964 Nah, the Shrike would eat most of 40K alive.

@@leonardhollsten8145 No way. There are worse creatures of chaos. I've read the Hyperion trilogy. He is powerful but in no way could he compete with some of the nastier chaos beasts, greater demons, and perhaps not even a space marine. I think a squad of battle brothers could eliminate him. Recall the story of a Druchii Incubus slaying an entire warshrine of striking scorpions and their exarch, a being that had 5 centuries of martial training and super human reflexes was cut down by a being so fast that he could not trace its movements (the incubus) theoretically a dark elf can have endless amounts of experience as long as he can create enough suffering and torment to sustain his life he will live forever and gain more and more experience. This is what makes them so deadly compared to normal Alederi. I bring this up because space marines have beaten druchhii time and time again and driven them back. An Imperial Fleet can deploy an army in the millions or grind a planet to dust half a galaxy away from Terra. They have advanced warmachines such as dreadnoughts and titans. I think the Shrike would be a creature that would have to strike and fade, avoiding the main Imperial forces sent against it in order to survive. Or suffer the horizon being set aflame around it from 10 million tons of concentrated artillery.

@@justinfrazier9555 ... I don't think you actually remember just how insane the Shrike is. The Shrike can time travel, fast enough that he makes people faster than light feels as if they are as slow as a human by comparison, can literally never die because if you kill it it will still exist in time (which as I mentioned before he can time travel) he can go anywhere in the universe easily via Farcasting, he can duplicate etc. It murdered over 30 000 troops along with several spaceships in 30 seconds and he was barely trying. The only reason people tend to survive him is that it pretends to be a slasher monster who usually stays on a single planet. If the Imperium sends an army after it, that army will be dead before it even sent the order.

@@leonardhollsten8145 I understand and the strike is an impressive character. But again the Warhammer universe will always win when it comes to grim dark. Don't even think about the dark eldar. Just Conrad Kurse, he is a Primark That can see into the future and is 5x more violent and aggressive. His actions make the shrike look like a Robin hood for the people of nastraumo. Again it's just because in the universe that the shrike lives in there's nothing that can combat against him but in the 40K universe there are more than enough things to fight the shrike and beat the shrike. I mean hell a couple gray nights could probably do it.

You find out more about it in the last book.

That’s the neat thing about it, there is literally nowhere in time and space for you to hide. If it really wants to kill or torture you, there is nothing stopping it from doing so.

I think the cruciform would be worse

@@bkr1895 ok mom, I'll finish my vegetables

I wouldn’t risk living in the same universe. As soon as I found out about it’s existence, I would kill myself.

*gets punched through a rock*

@@kurtwynn1090Then gets outsmarted by Raul Endymion. Friggin Raul Endymion! Of all people!

Well said. I shall reflect on this.

Like what ... there isn't a single deep thing in Hyperion I'm sorry.

Explain

i cried my eyes out but i dont think it teached me anything, what am i missing

...examples?

Wasn’t the Shrike afraid of the human UI for some reason? Wasn’t the human UI, God?

@@CDs_KZfaq_ unclear, especially because the Endymion books portray it as somewhat allied to the Aeneans.

@@ilejovcevski79 🤷🏼‍♂️ I vaguely remember the book saying the artificial UI looked into a different dimension, discovered to human UI, and it was afraid. Then the Artificial UI fled from it, and used the tree to fight it at a time and place where it had an advantage. I did read all the books,,,but,,, dam that was 15 years ago. When it got to the point where the AI teleported the Earth and made a copy, I had to study for school and completed the remainder a month or so later. Guess I have something to listen to now when I drive. Dude that makes the videos needs to quote the book, it would be a better video.

@@CDs_KZfaq_ yeah, quotes would definitely help! I must have read the first 2 books 3 times in the last doze of years or so, the last 2 2 times. I am considering giving them another go, but i have very little time available, and other books to read, books i read for the first time. But the Hyperion books are by far my favorite SF of all time, bar none!

@@ilejovcevski79 Probably already read it, but the art of war is a one sit read and it’s makes watching war documentarys more interesting. You can’t violate 2 or 3 rules and win a war. It’s weird how it applies to all wars. 💤💤💤💤💤😴💤💤

its motives are simple once you realize whoever was on top controlled the shrike!! Hence it flip flops all over because the 2 gods war with each other. As one ascended control would slip to the ascendant. Its pretty obvious when the war dude enters the future war against the shrike. Then next book the shrike is now defending humanity(he won the battle).

I've never read any of these books. This video just showed up on my feed but honestly I can see why you would. An omnipotent creature that's dark and edgy for no reason is kinda lazy writing.

@@RecordedMercury "Ive never read the books but I'm going to judge them anyways" lol

@@OfLanceTheLonginus Yeah? That's the entire point of this video is talking about the character. You just sound fucking stupid

@@OfLanceTheLonginus not even talking about the entirety of the book I might add. Just one character that *seems* to be a major part of the series.

it is a possibility given that mankind believed that the shrike was created by amalgamating artificial intelligence under the reaper program

The mass effect writers are fans of Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion.

@@tasosalexiadis7748 Interesante.

@@vladiantasca6256 seems very likely, also because humans are impaled on spikes to become geth in the game

‘Reapers’ ‘The Shrike Abyssal’ Sentient AI’s…there’s plenty of Hyperion nods in mass effect

Caleb Tuper Make sure you get through the three sequels! They’re not quite at the same level but the overall narrative is stupendous.

@@Kujakuseki01 I've heard everything from they ruin the series to they're better than Hyperion. Guess I'll just to have find out for myself lol

@@elricofmelnibone425 I actually think Hyperion is by far the worst of the series, even though I like it. I guess opinions really vary on this! :)

@@SannasBookshelf But it's so good? Lol

I have to agree with Sanna, it's not that good of a sci-fi series. The first book isn't even a complete story, and the second book drops most of the characters you followed in the first book (what was even the point of them?) And then there's the third-person present-tense...yikes! I wanted to finish the series, but just couldn't.

Great decision ^^

@Roland Deschain Long days and pleasant nights, sai gunslinger

@Roland Deschain I see we are well met... Hyperion is pretty great so far btw.

^^^ This guy’s got the right idea.

Seconded and thirded...

Malazan deserves so much more attention. It's amazing.

Malazan would provide his channel with infinite content lol

Yes and double yes! Malazan Book of the Fallen is the best Fantasy series of all time.

Have you read his other stuff? I liked the cantos so much I'm wanting to read his straight horror books.

@@JoshBryan I’ve only read ‘Worlds Enough and Time’ and ‘Prayers to Broken Stones’. Both are collections of short stories. ‘Worlds Enough and Time’ has a short story from the Hyperion universe. It’s great. ‘Prayers to Broken Stones’ has the original story of Siri on Maui Covenant. It’s also really good. I own but haven’t started ‘Olympos’ and ‘Illium’, and ‘The Terror’.

@@NoahReadsSlowly Read Carrion Comfort and Summer of Night...

@@grahamtaylor8912 those are on my list 👍🏼

@@NoahReadsSlowly Children of the Night is another good one too... 👍🏼

Are you kidding? Everyone is practically worshipping Hyperion. It's one of the most overrated SF saga with Foundation.

@@Ezullof Well if there is a sci-fi saga that deserves worshipping, it's The Cantos.

Do u have any other videos on these book? Fyi love love the dune seriers you did. Fantastic

@@Ezullof Foundation was not my cup of tea either. Its writing felt old, like the mid-20th century period in which it was written. Also, there was no central character to connect to throughout. I liked Hyperion, but The Fall of Hyperion was even better in part because a central character was introduced that I could follow and care about.

@@Ezullof You're clearly an idiot.

@@samuilmnt Think of it as a test. Both Monita and the Ousters had to KNOW, unequivocally, that he was capable of doing serious, permanent damage to what was essentially an out of control AI that the Ousters had created and released in the far future. The Shrike was intended to guard Aenea in all her incarnations and prevent the TechnoCore from killing or corrupting her. But since it was an AI too, it developed its own agenda and began doing things far outside the scope of its original programming. Killing humans that wore the cruciform, for example. It worked too well, in fact, and introduced far too many elements into what should have been a much simpler equation. Thus, it had to be defeated, symbolically, by a relatively unenhanced human. Kassad was "only" a very well-trained soldier--but he was the BEST soldier ever trained, a true Champion. He was destined to be the Champion of Humanity. He HAD to fight the Shrike and die in the process, to demonstrate to both the TechnoCore and the Church that true humans would never be defeated. In many ways, he served as a role model, an Avatar, even to those who had never heard of him. Even his death was symbolic: "Death Before Dishonor." Neither the TechnoCore nor the Church understood "honor" and Father Captain de Soya and his three fellow mutineers followed his example, even if they weren't consciously aware of it. At the close of the Cantos, we see the Shrike finally shutting down, shifting its consciousness to a kind of permanent idle mode. Its task had ended, finally, and it too could rest. We may be assured that the Ousters and Humanity never again attempted the creation of something so horrifyingly powerful. But it was necessary to defeat both Nemes and its filthy kin and at least symbolically defeat Kassad. Consider the irony VERY carefully, please. This is IMPORTANT. Nemes was not physically destroyed. Yet it was defeated in the battle at the remains of the World Tree, entombed in lava, thus proving to the TechnoCore that their obscene creations could be stopped. Kassad's physical body was killed, but his soul, his spirit was NEVER defeated. Do you see the difference and the ironical contrast? It's subtle, to be sure, but unmistakable once you consider ALL the elements as part of a Grand Design to ennoble Mankind. In a very real way, Kassad served as the kind of martyr to human freedom and faith that both Aenea and the Christos, indeed, ALL true martyrs have exemplified throughout all our joint histories. Re-read the books and cogitate fully on the meaning thereof. Eventually, it will come to you. When it does, rejoice, because you will have taken a very great step toward maturity, truly the kind of quantum leap in consciousness of which the Teacher Aenea spoke. Patience, Gemstone. Think! Use that fine mind of yours. It will come to you...

@@Trans909 Your posts are accurate summaries of the books. I read them about every two years during the winter. There are lots of interesting little details in these books. The depth of the back story/mythos/technology is significant. For example, explaining the behavior of the Core as hyper parasites because of their primordial beginnings as viruses. Later alligator...

@@zTheBigFishz My heavens, yes! That was the very basis of the Core's danger to humans; we couldn't possibly think we could control a parasitical organism--even if we invented it. Simmon's point--and the basis of many of Aenea's lectures--was that a hyper-parasitical organism will ALWAYS be an enemy. The advantage we have in dealing with such an enemy is that it has no real creativity. It can only imitate, steal, impersonate. It can never "invent" anything. So it can be out-thought, defeated, because it cannot accurately predict the randomness of organic life--except on a large scale and then only general trends. It was those general trends that so terrified the Core. It thought it had humans permanently in its clutches--and then up pops this absolutely unpredictable form of life which seems similar to the free humans, the Ousters. To a hyper-parasite, it's not a multivalued equation at all. It's two choices: kill or be killed. But the energy that the LT&B's expended with such seeming ease utterly freaked them out, didn't it? (Well, it would freak ME out to discover that a confederacy of incredibly diverse lifeforms was blowing up galaxies for unknown purposes!) The backstory! It's brilliant, isn't it? Not just detailed but LUSH. Vibrant and vivid. All those worlds! I really mourned the Fall of the Hegemony. Such a marvelous society--even if propped up by a form of mental vampirism. But I confess I probably would have been much like Sol Weintraub and settled on Barnard's World, been a college professor, and raised a family beneath the warm ruddy glow of a quiet little red dwarf. But Oh! What I would have given to see the Worldtree on God's Grove! While, crocodile...

Greatest comment. Love your insight. What do you think about the Shrike as a Kali figure?

@@zatoichi1 More like Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds--or any of that Hindu deity's avatars. (You probably noticed that the entire Cantos is jammed to overflowing with avatars of one sort or another,) Inasmuch as Shiva is known as her consort, the Tantric Saivist goddess Kali is unquestionably a Mother-image--and the Shrike is unmistakably male. Consider the descriptions Simmons has given us: the Shrike is large, shaped by masculine proportions, designed to fight in a particularly male hand-to-hand style. I agree that the four arms are a bit deceptive but we Westerners often do not consider the more subtle aspects of Kali's physical appearance, particularly her expression. Her extended tongue is often regarded as proof of Kali's savagery but it's actually an expression of embarrassment. No, I might accept Moneta as an avatar of Kali, but not so much the Shrike.

Jules Verne wrote "From Earth to Moon" in 1865.

@@justinfrazier9555 Well, I like Toitles.

Is there a difference? Only asking half seriously, as I haven't researched WH40000.

@@jimijenkins2548 There's a bit of one. Daemons are generally a bit more understandable than things that we put under Eldritch Being. Though there are plenty of strange and confusing Daemons.

its more a DAoT Man of Iron corrupted/posessed by chaos

@@hawkticus_history_cornerTzeentch is 40k and an eldritch being and there are plenty of other eldritch stuff in Warhammer

@@jimijenkins2548 Warhammer 40K is much worse in my opinion. Just the Tyranid race alone makes it terrible to exist. They surround humanity on all sides and leaves to a chilling hypothesis. Perhaps they have wiped out the entire universe and now the Tyranid close in on the last bastion of life from all sides like a snake coiling around its victim.

What are the Olympos books about?

love the ilium and olympos books.

@@ZeusEBoy The Trojan war, Humans living in a post Human world, A pair of robots traveling to mars. It is fantastic. Also read "The Song of Kali".

Julio Camargo III Dan Simmons is phenomenal.

Tj Rowe I’ll check them out, thank you for the answer and recommendation dude!

My high school had the collection and I read it so many times. I loved how everything connected.

78 now. We will handle them.

@@SeanHummer The Lord of pain is going to have a full tree.

They are not a part of the three score and ten, the must have there throat cut with a sharpened stone, and there life blood drained until they do not move.

I get it!

I started reading the book and now i get it lol

same. the shit spike will always be imprinted in my brain.

Are you talking about Game Of Thrones it was the best show ever

@@blackskyirregular9876 did you ever watch the show as it's from the Book of A Song Of Ice an Fire , have you read the books ? I haven't I want to get them on Audible I'd find it better to understand by listening to them

@@cherylbaxterstormborn477 It was until it subverted our expectations and made all the characters dumb.

OMG. The Scholar's tale. ;_;

The last book hit me so hard, I remember just sitting there, sick to my stomach, unable to look up or read more.

I can see both that working out well and poorly. The characters would’ve been better at the very least.

@@merrittanimation7721 Yea I'd take Dan Simmons Poorly over Brain Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson Poorly. I'd rather re-read Saga of the Seven Suns then delve into their Dune continuations.

The trouble with Hyperion is that the ending collapses the mysticism into a kind of meta-physical materialism whereas Dune retains its mystical poise. I don't think Simmons is capable of finishing Dune.

🤔🤔🤔🤔

He wanted to be part of the legacy. You really can't blame him.

The Fantasy Book Club Channel It’s great. Please give a review of the series on your channel dude!

Yeah, but I think that Ilion and Olympo is even better.

@@The-Man-On-The-Mountain Geez no. He went way overboard with the "Intertextuality" there. Fuck was that a chore to read. The genius thing about Hyperion is that he very lightly powdered in the references, and didn't clobber us with it every fuxking page.

It's good but give a chance to Dune, too :)

Never read it, can I get a summary?

Context?!

@Chris p What the actual fuck

@Chris p Lmao what, now i want to read it.

@Chris p what??? So he banged the shrike??? I guess the shrike wanted to be impaled too

@Chris p other asoiaf wild shit?

Its been years since i read it. But didnt it turn out to be fedman kassad that is the shrike? Through some time travelling shenanigans? I remember clearly being floored by this revelation. Am i misremembering?

@@samibehada4197 You recall it well. Though it has been decades since I read it, I recall The Shrike being actually beaten and hacked by Fedman Kassad, in a battle in the distant future. After it Kassad became the Shrike to battle it in the past, thus the different actions of the Shrike. I also recall in the last book how the TechnoCore agents pursuing Aenea said how inadequate and poorly designed the original Shrike was. Those agents were way more powerful than the Shrike.

@@claudiomarcosmacielleme3668 I find it funny that those agents were also killed by the shrike, and their leader got her ass kicked by what is essentially just some dude.

I didn't like Silenus at first...but he definitely grew on me. I'm only about 1/6th of the way through Endymion so I've still got, pretty much, two books to go....

Jason Vyzer Same. I hated him at first. Then grew to love him.

He was such an excellent character

I kinda struggled through it. But overall paid off.

It is not an easy read, especially when Simmons describes every single fucking mountain on T'ien Shan, he lost me a bit. But I really enjoyed every single scene with the Shrike and all the pay offs. Read it in German though, the cover art of the German version is a little bit boring. The Polish cover arts are great.

@@HerrFenrisWolf If Simmons didn't overwrite (especially when he makes you feel like you just finished a college course on a topic) than he is (to me) the best in the Biz bar none. Unfortunately he(like King) never seems to throw anything out. I always say if 'The Terror' was 200 pages less, Than in 150 years when the academics are still blathering about Dracula and Frankenstein, They would have added The Terror as being on the Mount Rushmore of Famed Horror Novels. Many still think it is, and sometimes I do too, Some times I want to snatch Damn Simmons Bald making me read about what each Gawdamn Button represents on a Navel Officers Uniform and such shit. Greatness sometimes falls in love with itself(which frankly Is easy to do I assume)

Dan Simmons is probably one of the most info-dumping authors in fiction -but he does it gloriously. I’m still working on finishing the first Hyperion novel. It’s mostly due to the extremely small text that I’m taking so long.

I loved the first book. But it took so long for Book 2 to come out that I felt I needed to do a re-read to refresh my memory. Now I"m so far behind that I doubt I'll ever catch up. I've heard the later installments are not as good? And the series isn't complete, right?I need to just start series when they are done. This waiting years between books is too difficult.I read a lot of books & have a bad memory. I can't remember details from a book I read a year or more ago. I admire those who do. But that's not me.

Have you read Illium?

@@Revealingstorm. No, is it good? I also want to suggest 3 Body Problem and it's sequel The Dark Forest.

Would you recommend it!

It's an acausal being just like a nightfighter

Make that maybe into a yes ;)

Hello from the future, King.

Yeah when I first played mass effect I was actually reading the first hyperion book and many aspects of the reapers strongly reminded me of the shrike. But ME is basically a conglomerate of various sci fi stories and universes

@@foxmulder8955 Never read Hyperion, so when I heard Reaper Program, AI...my ME fanboy kicked in.

>not sure if it would translate well to the screen though. certainly easier than dune, and they are trying that again

masta182 it’s been awhile since I read the novels but I remember thinking they’d have a hard time with some of the ouster stuff and the Yggdrasil. Also portraying the different techno core factions, not sure how they’d do that. I love to see them try though.

@@S1doubleU the ouster and yggdrasil stuff should be easy enough if costly, I mean avatar is now what, ten years old? the technocore on the other hand needs some really good imagination to visualize. anyway, imagine how amazing a well made biosphere would look if they made a movie with like disney money behind it.

masta182 well apparently Warner brothers owns the rights to all 4 books, so maybe one day. There’s a thread about it on reddit.

@@S1doubleU There was a website something like hyperion the movie, and Bradley cooper of all people was going to "adapt it" at least that was news like 2015. Unlikely to happen and ya, not easy to do.

LagiNaLangAko23 That’s what I said.

I dunno why, I actually like Endymion nearly as much. Just the flavor of it all and the aftermath of the collapse of the Hegemony I found really compelling.

Yep, totaly agree.. 1 and 2 are epic...

@@Sean.Cordes I agree. It's a cool space opera that uses the world built up by Hyperion to surpass other cliche space operas. I just think it should have been edited down to a single book. A tighter story would have complemented the other books better.

It’s so great, you’ll love it. 😄

they completely ruined all of the mystery and world building that happened in 1&2. Moreover, the romance plot is creepy as fuck when you think about it.

For the Emperor!

Same

Its a really good book series.

The best damn scifi series ever. Seriously, I didn't read for recreation before two years ago. Then after the first 15 minutes of Hyperion, I couldn't put it down. After I finished it all, I kept reading new books and nothing has been able to equal the greatness of Thr Hyperion Cantos.

@@DJRonnieG I was the same. I think I read it *too* quickly, because I can't remember the whole thing right now. I just couldn't stop. I need to do a re-read!