I'm not disappointed in her "breaking her feminist image", cause I never thought she had one, but no matter who you are, being with a sexual predator IS disgusting, and to have someone who is a public figure doing that, is even worse. But I mean, when things go south, she brought this on herself 🤷‍♀️

this not a woke problem. you can’t have a moral disagreement about rape.

i used to like your videos and respected your opinions but now it seems like you have changed your morals so much and rather then giving a proper opinion you just wanna give something the majority public is disaggreing to act edgy and cool

I feel like people are allowed to be upset at hyuna for dating him because of his involvement in the scandal. It’s valid people are allowed to have emotions. They just don’t have to lie and get way too attached

genuinely no offense to you. but sometimes, certain situations dont really need videos talking/justifying or just saying anything in general about it. its a straight situation, shes willingly dating someone vile and she deserves to get criticized for it. its got nothing to do with feminism or anything.

I never feel like hyuna is feminist or anything but she is in the wrong for dating a sexual predator. Ppl has the right to criticize her for being a horrible person

So having a moral ground is called projection nowadays lmao

You are blaming her fans for expecting basic human decency. I get your point about not getting attached to the celebrity, but can't we expect such a basic thing like that from anyone? She DESERVES all of the backlash she's getting from everyone.

"I'll try to talk slow so u can get it" soooooo basically you're a nasty person who'll talk down to anyone to make yourself feel better? got it

In my opinion, this IS a betrayal to women. Not in the sense that she has to keep this feminist image (that wasnt there to begin with), but due to the fact that any woman, or person in general, that dates a known predator, after knowing the full extent of his crimes, is just an awful person. I have the same feelings for doja cat, even though i have jack shit to do with her lol. I was never a hyuna stan, so i guess i don't matter. but this should be an opportunity for kpop stans to really look into their own morals, and unstan this woman. (if they are also upset at her actions) people that excuse predators are just as bad as them imo, and if the public stos supporting them, that is not people being "snowflakes", that's just ✨the consequences of your actions✨

Ι don't feel this video is necessary at all. It turns out Hyuna isn't even a decent human beeing which is the bare minimum. People are upset because of that and not because she isn't a feminist or whatever.

Most of your takes are a bit ridiculous, and clearly driven by your frustration with kpop fans in other situations. I think you should maybe step away from crafting your opinions on kpop fans from deep in fandom forums, because most of us aren’t on those freaking out. It sounds like you are chatting with children. To be clear I have never turned on a Hyuna song. I can’t name one of her songs. I am not her fan. I have zero emotional connection to her or this situation. I don’t know much about her besides seeing a lot about her and her ex on kpop news channels. I just learned about the burning sun scandal. So the fact that I can objectively say YIKES when hearing she is dating someone who consumed media derived from hidden cameras, indicates this isn’t about SJWs being triggered. I don’t know of her as a feminist and I don’t care what she calls herself. I’m giving her the side eye. It speaks volumes that kpop fans across fandoms in conservative and liberal countries are all saying “Eww”!

This is such a bad take lmfao ☠️☠️☠️

Hyuna has stated how she wanted to protect newjeans and has talked about how she was sexualised from a young age. It would be easy to infer from this that she cares about women so i don’t think it’s that absurd that she’s ended up with this girls girl, feminist image. Simply as a woman - not even a feminist - it’s honestly disgusting that she would date someone who has watched and discussed videos of other women being SA’d and people are justified to have a problem with that. Also, people should be allowed to express their opinions over something she made public by her own free will.

Is it too much to expect any person not to get involved with a sex offender? Is that an unrealistic expectation that we're projecting?

Imma have to disagree with this one, I get your point of not being attached to these celebrities, but you don’t have to be a feminist to agree that dating someone involved in a serious crimes. Even hyuna herself has songs about protecting young girls in this industry, so yes people are allowed to be offended it’s a weird switch.

Me being disappointed by her has nothing to do with her image or my projection. I never thought Doja Cat or Nicki Minaj were incredible people, they always seemed like petty people I would not be friends with. But when they started dating rapists, I was still disappointed in them. Even if someone I don't like did this, I would still be disgusted. Because it just proves that they are not a decent human being. Just some time ago, she showed concerns for NewJeans' wellbeing then goes around and do this. I don't think we should lie or bully them but everybody's free to express their disppointment. Also, side note: ik he wasn't the one who exploited Hara, but wasn't she friends with Hara? idk man, dating your dead friend's ex-bf doesn't sit right with me.

i just feel like this is such a weird and tone deaf reaction to the just recent hyuna situation. like we literally just found out that she is dating someone involved in the burning sun case, which is one of koreas (not just k-pop’s) biggest controversies not even like 3 days ago and ur immediate reaction is to be like “i don’t get why people are mad, she’s not the feminist icon y’all make her out to be” no one is saying she is but tbh you could’ve just said that you’re not surprised that she did this and kept it pushing but instead it almost comes across as you invalidating her fans for being upset- (again not hate i do like some of ur vids but i understand some of the backlash)

It doesn’t matter if they thought hyuna was a feminist or whatsoever. It doesn’t take a feminist and labels like that to expect ppl to be decent human being and not go for ppl that are involved in such crimes like that. I personally do not stan hyuna and never thought she was a feminist yet I am disgusted. Ppl being disappointed is valid. I’ve almost always agreed to your opinions and I’ve always liked you but I couldn’t disagree more

if expecting people to have basic human decency and not associate themselves with a sex offender is an unrealistic expectation, then truly, we do not deserve to waste any more space in this universe

people are upset because she is dating a literal sexual predator !! isn't it natural to be upset at criminals and r@pists even if we are not directly affected by it??? it's not laughable that the fans are expressing their anger at hyuna we expected her to be a DECENT human being.

i think you're missing the point. most criticism I've seen was addressing how disgusting it is that she's platforming a predator. i don't care if they're dating or not, hyuna has a huge platform, a lot of influence and she chose to use by platforming someone like him. it could have been any other idol and it would still be upsetting, but being hyuna added salt to the wound. because she's aware of her image and actively keeps it going, she profits off of it, so yes, this makes her a huge hypocrite. besides, yes, I'll project my beliefs that using your platform wisely is important and that platforming predators is disgusting onto idols. i think it's a pretty reasonable thing to ask of them. what she did shouldn't be done by any idol, regardless of image. she can do whatever she wants silently, but she chose to publicly post that picture with that caption. she's stirring the pot to gain attention by using the fucking burning sun scandal, how is that something we can just get over?? yes, my anger is expensive and I'll spend it on this, because wtf hyuna??? it's absolutely rancid whether she is or isn't dating him. I'd say it's even worse if she isn't dating him, because the dating at least gives herbsome sort of attachment to the guy. if this is just a colab or a publicity stunt, she picked him on purpose because of his controversial past. people have a right to be mad about this, expecting everyone to just leave quietly is ridiculous. she shared this publicly, so the people upset about it have a right to share their disappointment publicly.

I don't agree. Detachment is good and people shouldn't project their ideals on idols because we can never know who they are, but fans saying an idol betrayed them because they were rude once is not the same as them feeling betrayed because she is dating someone involved in the burning sun scandal. This is not "you shouldn't project yourself on idols, they will make even grave mistakes", because it's reasonable to assume Hyuna wouldn't date someone like that. Yes we never know the idols, but there is a difference in discovering they are selfish/rude/even bigots, which is likely, and discovering they are rape apologists. Also she did speak out about protecting female idols and feminism and oversexualization, she presented them as her ideals. She was friends with Hara ffs, it's normal people didn't believe she was capable of something like this. Yes, we have to know idols aren't perfect and will fuck up big times, but we can't just go and go like "I can't get too attached, they may be dating a rapist in the future". At some point, we need to draw the line and assume a person would never do that, which in theory is more just than believing anyone could be a rapist or a murderer when they have given 0 signs of that. So I think the extreme reactions of fans are justified in this specific situation. All the sense of betrayal is valid, because they believed her to be a decent person. It's not even they had an idealized idea of her as a perfect women, they just believe her to be at least decent. Feeling betrayed is justified this time imo

Being upset that someone is associating with a horrible person isn’t “projecting”, it’s called having basic empathy and morals… “common sense isn’t very common”

I'm with Korean netizens on this case. Hyuna deserves every criticism she's getting. She played herself 100/100 period!

this isn't about betrayal she is dating a predator period. yall make everything about yourselves. Hyuna played everyone in a sense that SHE was a victim to sexual abuse and has admitted that, then turns around and dates her dead friend's abuser. Be so expeditiously fr, yall will say anything when your head is so far up your ass, this video was SO distastefully done

i usually agree with you but this take comes of so holier than thou. hyuna is associating herself with a sexual predator. i’m not even a stan, but expecting morality from other human beings is not fans being overly attached.

Honestly I don't get your point though do you really have to be a feminist to know that being associated with a man who saw videos of minors and women getting raped and made jokes about it IS A BAD THING. LIKE SERIOUSLY DO YOU NEED FEMINISM TO REALIZE THAT

No matter who the idol, I would have side eyed anyone who publicly came out as dating YJY. I was slightly surprised that a celeb would openly associate with someone with as tarnished a reputation as him, but my jaw wasn’t on the floor. Just eyebrows raised lol.

Even if we assume that she's not a feminist, fans still have the right to be disappointed in her for dating someone involved in the burning sun scandal. It doesn't matter if she doesn't actually represents her public image because being an idol its quite natural that people will associate you with your public image and its your responsibility to maintain that. I don't even care about hyuna as I'm just a casual listener and even I'm disgusted so its no wonder her stans will feel betrayed. She doesn't have to be a feminist but as a woman herself we can atleast expect her to be cautious about such a topic and have expectations about her to atleast be a decent person thats like the bare minimum.

dating a horrible sex offender who everyone knows is one is putting you near or on the same level of disgusting as them. just glad its not hidden anymore.

Idk how fans assuming she's a feminist is half as important as Hyuna parading around a man who was okay with women being r@ped and recorded. And before someone comments, "ShE nEvEr SaId ThAt", the 12 minute video somehow making this all about the fans and how they're the problem says quite enough for me. This isn't "woke" thinking either, assuming a woman who carries herself the way Hyuna does, occasionally wearing feminist merch and wearing revealing clothes, is a feminist isn't entirely ridiculous as much as you claim it does.

love your videos but i might have to disagree with this one, first of all it's not just the fans, hyuna herself has built her image around the being a feminist, she might have not said that explicitly said that but alot many times she has talked about it in songs and interviews ( like the new jeans one). so fans feeling disappointed is totally valid. secondly dating a person like that is horrible on it's own, whatever kind of image she might have as an idol, so people being angry about it and criticizing her are also valid. being associated with someone like that is horrible specially when you area public figure and it has nothing to do fan's parasocial relationships with her or expectations from her.

This video is condescending and missing the point of why the majority are mad ☠️☠️

It seems like you and Hyuna really have something in common. They both betrayed us 💀

There’s a difference between assuming someone’s ideologies and being told someone believes something. Hyuna has stood for female empowerment her whole career of course people are gonna think she is actually behind this ideology. Fans deserve to be disappointed in her, she built this image for herself not the fans

Hyuna spoke about feminism and protecting young female idols, she even has a song calling out the industry. people CAN and SHOULD be upset, because when your words and your actions don't match up, you're a hypocrite! it's that easy

You didn’t not ate with this one. Sometimes I’m just confused as how can you missed the point so much ? Your condescending tone and how you see kpop fans (when you’re literally one as well) makes you unable to see the things deeper than they are. That’s just show that she’s a bad person, it’s not just about the fact that we don’t know her personally.. that’s just morally we wrong and that’s it. You mixed things up so much, that’s actually crazy.

Girlie....this is a bad take. You do have good points, but the context behind the outrage isn't about this at all. Maybe a handful of people are upset due to the reasons you pointed out but majority about it is that as humans we expect a little decency to not gwt involved with someone oh idk NOT INVOLVED IN THAT HORRIFIC BURNING SUN SCANDAL?!?! Im aware he wasn't a perpetrator but he was through and through a bystander. I don't think you got the point like at all.

hyuna literally talked about wanting to protect young girls in the kpop industry, and then proudly announced that she's in a relationship with a known predator in the kpop industry. it doesn't matter that she doesn't call herself a feminist. she still used feminist talking points to promote herself.

It's really a shame. I used to like you a lot but your tone has recently changed to come across very condescending & has a superiority complex type of vibe. I really used to respect your opinions but it seems now like you're choosing to actually insult people who have different opinions to you calling them clowns etc. even your fans, & completely invalidating their feelings. This video was so unnecessary, completely missed the mark & was even just plain rude at times.

I don't find the culture argument to be valid. South Korea is very conservative and anti-woman like most societies traditionally are. However there is a huge culture war, gender war, and cultural shift happening that are challenging these norms. Many people, especially young women are brining awareness to the reality of misogyny in Korea, particular when it comes to the rampant sexual abuse. Burning Sun was a big cultural moment that exposed the problems of sa in Korean society; most of the public, ideological feminist, or not ,was in a uproar and disgust over it. Even now most of the Korean comments underneath Hyuna's post express disappointment and disapproval. "Culture" is no excuse. Unfortunately it is common amongst human beings, (regardless of culture) to excuse away, rationalize, or deny wrong doings by people we have known for a long time and care about. Hyuna has known Yong Jun Hyung for half her life and was always very close to him, he even featured on her debut single Change. She's simply a typical example of being an apologist and an enabler.

I wish you had recognized that nobody not even you can be fully objective at the start of the video or smth instead of putting yourself maybe not intentionally on a pedestal of being someone objective. Subjectivness doesn't dismiss people's feelings or experiences. Let's be honest who wants to find out that sb they supported is in a relationship with sb that is involved in Burning Sun scandal, that's literally peak misogyny and s*x ab*se. Obviously people are going to be upset, because Hyuna doesn't only sell music, main selling point of idols, which they themselves are aware of is their public persona. I like the point you made about fans putting labels on idols, but it is ignorant to blame fans, when a big part of the industry is doing everything it can to make them delulu fans. I always struggle with the way being sexy and stuff is labeled as the empowering women, because most of the time it's just playing into male gaze and done to attract male supporters, which if you ask me is anything but empowering. That's why these idols aren't getting much hate about being feminist and stuff, because they just appease a wider public. IMO something empowering would be idk wearing less/more unconventional make up? Getting rid of these too short skirts for one comeback? Of course lyrics can also be empowering and they can still be sexy or whatever and empower, but dunno I personally rarely feel girl power in kpop.

why are you invalidating her fans feelings, they are allowed to be upset about this.

Someone else said this already, but why are you allowed to make posts criticizing recent actions of let's say G-dragon and Bang Chan (who clearly messed up far less than Hyuna here) and yet others aren't allowed to do so for Hyuna? Some fans are extreme (like always) but people are allowed to be disappointed, disgusted, weirded out all they want. 🤷‍♀️ In last couple of months you've been pretty hypocritical and I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing it. Edit: and yours "I'll be slow so you can get it" is not it comment, they made pretty valid points regardless, not everyone feeling this way about Hyuna have seen as as a feminist and what not and there's no such thing as "pure objectivity" even for your Bang Chan's videos you could find some of your points that might be extreme. Edit 2: it's also bold of you to assume that G-dragon's action is pure PR, as his scandal could've killed his chance to comeback despite him being negative on all drugs tests and working with police. Many celebrities are also affected by that scandal, one of them lost his life even without proven to be guilty. G-dragon has been open about mental health and drug addicts in South Korea are still heavily judged even though it is mental illness and the country has really small amounts of rehab centres.

Why is your words so aggressive?

Terrible take and miss the whole point of the situation

You don't have to be a feminist to not date a sex offender?

Yeah nah this video is a miss. Her fans being upset about dating a rapist or someone involved in a scandal like that isn’t an issue. We get your point on not being attached to celebs however, this is a moral issue not a fan issue.

People are allowed to be disappointed in others just because she’s an idol doesn’t mean we’re suddenly not allowed to be upset with what she does. I can agree that fans don’t have to be offended but don’t say that they’re not allowed to be disappointed is just low.

Saying that it is our fault for having expectations from her is wild. Isn’t it just human decency to uphold a notion that what she did was wrong and she shouldn’t have made it publicized? For a fact sistuh this kind of “expectation” you say is EXPECTED TO ALL, even for a simple citizen and not just on her. People had this kind of thing called “common sense” and “empathy” to get the idea to not be associated with a person whose a part (even as a bystander) of something utterly horrendous. Blaming the audience for pointing out a literal and morally wrong actions, is not it. I guess you don’t actually get how this is a big of a deal in asian culture since you’re a westerner. Expectations my foot. Don’t bring to me your hollywood mindset cuz i’m def losing it for this “she’s not even a feminist~” push n pull. Don’t call yourself a woman if you can’t even bring to the table how disrespectful this is for the victims of that shitty bar, and just make a video solely for “dOn’T eXpEcT tHiNgS fRoM hYunAaaaa”.

I'm not even disappointed.. it just disgusts me

I personally have to disagree on this one, everyone is allowed to dissappointed in her choice. The fact that the guy that she dated was a part of a very serious crime scene. Especially she had the imagery of concept of woman empowerment, so, it's actually fatal to her imagery and her career as whole. Edited: the guy she currently dated also once in a relationship with Goo Hara ( r.i.p angel ), and Hyuna and Hara even was close friends once. So this situation felt like slamming down Hara herself.

Complete strangers are technically allowed to be upset by the personal decisions of someone who does not know them, but that does not mean they should

She is an adult and has to face the consequences of her actions. This guy wasn’t involved directly in the Burning Sun case, but he is an accomplice either way.

like i can get your point, but this is so unnecessary right now... if you don't care bout Hyuna and was never her fan, just don't say anything

I'm sorry but what the hell are you even talking about in this video? You clearly don't understand that most of the hate towards HyunA is not about her "breaking feminist image" at all. Yeah, I'll admit some people are assuming she was a part of the feminist movement(which is just what they believe, obvi not the truth as we can tell) and that he is the one who was exploiting Goo Hara and he wasn't, so you're right about that. One thing you don't understand is that while he wasn't the one the exploited Goo Hara it's still messed up. Goo Hara fell victim to disgusting men, so did the victims of JYJ's friends. That's where a lot of the anger comes from because Goo Hara and HyunA were very close so people thought HyunA would understand that men like this are disgusting. People(like me) are just shocked at the fact that she could get with someone who values women & SA/SH victims so little.

its not even about being a feminist for me but AS A WOMAN?? a woman who most definitely knows about the a whole burningsun situation and a woman who's been exploited by men

As a subscriber and someone who regularly follows and watches your content, I have to say that I am sorely disappointed with some of your more recent opinions. I know that we don't know each other and that you do not owe me anything, but I'm sure that a lot of us can agree that this is simply immature to put out there. I know that it's your takes and opinions on the subject and I cannot be mad that they don't align with mine- but come on. Fans are allowed to expect basic human decency from idols, or from everyone really, and have every right to be upset when it isn't met. If fans' ideal of HyunA's "idol image" are basically just the standards that every human being is held to, it's not too hard to conform to those standards and if someone isn't then chances are that they are just a bad person. I'm not saying that this was any secret, but everyone has every right to be upset. If you truly hold people to such low standards, then I wonder how great of a person you are yourself.

I was mildly interested in Hyuna, I thought it was commendable how she stood up for her relationship with Dawn at the time, and liked a few of her songs. Regardless of whether people think she's a feminist or not (personally not), I think people have a right to be upset. They have a right to feel betrayed when a fellow human being isn't living up to the standards of being a human being. It's actually sad that we've come to a point in time where people get upset if someone does wrong and are met with *"You're upset they're not a decent person? are you stupid why would you think that"* and when people are cynical and assume the worst, people say they're overreacting. What are people supposed to do? Like//support no one? Support someone regardless of their actions?

This video was not it. I understand if ur telling fans not to be disappointed if lets say an idol turns out to be a druggie when their image is of "an innocent person" but this is COMPELETEY different. I feel lile fans have every right to be mad, even if hyuna did not ever to try to come off as feminist, even if her concepts and songs are super conservative, not dating someone from the burning sun scandal is just basic human decency

bad take over bad take I see.

The Candace Owens of Ktube strikes again!

I understand your point about overatachment and idol image but I don't think this is the case to talk about that. Dating someone who everyone knows have comitted a crime reveals that she's not a decent person, idc what persona she has. It's understandable that people feel "betrayed". Hyuna is an icon due to his trajectory and she never has seemed a bad person

As someone who is detached, Hyuna's character is still questionable for dating someone who liked r*pe videos

We're not getting attached it's just her action is very hypocritical for her image

this is so tone deaf...

yea u did not eat…

at the end of the day it’s her choice, and people are allowed to be upset, that’s just the consequences of these actions. personally tho, i never was interested in hyuna & her image, so for me this isn’t a “betrayal” but more so just a disappointment.

i feel like you as a creator with such a big platform have so much potential to use it for actually serious topics with good takes but i feel like all you do now is make videos fueled by ur hate for kpop fandoms/idols tbh. most creators are out there making videos on hyuna but u rlly wanted to make a video on HER FANS BEING HURT? that was ur first thought? i don't even see how you think fans are 'projecting'.. not all of us have parasocial relationships w hyuna neither do we want her crusty old predat*r man. we liked an idol for their music and their personality, when they literally get involved in a public relationship w a predat*r who used to be her DEAD BEST FRIEND'S EX...people are gonna be shocked? honestly even non kpop stans know ab goo hara's su*cid* and burning sun, this is not even an issue related to kpop but an actual crime u could find back then.. anyone in their right mind would try to educate her and figure out the facts.

Gotta have to disagree this time. Knowing someone was witness to constant harassment and assault yet didn't do anything to help these poor women, and yet still choosing to date him is betrayal, however, it's not as simple as "betraying the fanbase". It's simply betraying women as this was public info. In a "normal" situation, if a friend group discussed a guy who was displaying the same behaviour and one of the girls decided to date him, it would be the same towards every woman who knew about this. But then again, it's true she never claimed to be a feminist. Her behaviour and comments did build a girls' girl image, but looks like that was a facade, as many other things in this industry.

even if we know absolutely nothing about her and who she is in real life, we are allowed to be upset at her for dating a guy who stood around and did nothing when multiple women were being sold, drugged and r@ped.

idgaf abt hyuna and haven't for like 7 years honestly i don't really think it has anything to do with projection....

usually i completely agree with you, and i really appreciate most of your takes but unfortunately i feel like this video misses by a large margin - please don’t see this as hate, because i absolutely don’t want to come across that way. i love your content. while i agree entirely with the entire “detach yourself” and “don’t enforce your values onto someone else” i feel like it shouldn’t apply in this case? it’s inappropriate to apply that line of thinking when the burning sun scandal caused mass outrage in korea, it’s not just international fans being upset for the sake of it. i fully understand what you were trying to say, but i think that you should have worded it better. if we’re going to discuss something as sensitive as this, the response to people expecting anything from hyuna shouldn’t be “it’s your fault for expecting her to be a feminist icon” because hyuna is in the wrong, on all fronts. it doesn’t matter what she may or may not stand for, she is an enabler. edit: forget what i said about liking her videos.. i can’t believe i even gave youtube views to a zionist i’m actually disgusted with myself

I just find it weird she would choose him after all the horrors she dealt with as a female idol. It's very perplexing to me. I'm mostly more curious than upset. I guess I'll just sit back and watch.

I think it’s not about fans feeling “betrayed” because the idol is so and so irl It comes down to seeing this from a human to human pov cuz ain’t no way the whole sk don’t know about burning sun let alone hyuna herself Being a part of the industry for so long , choosing to Date a man like that !! that’s literally a choice !!💀

I know I’m repeating myself but people should let her date whoever she wants so she can deal with the consequences of such decision. You win stupid games, you win stupid prices and this is the price that she will pay for. She is a grown independent woman so let her, let her deal with the consequences of dating someone associated with crimes. It is on her, point blank period! Also, I’m so sorry to hear what happened cheryl. Sending lots of love ♥️

i would like to disagree with u for this one. i have seen so many comments in twt where people were disappointed at hyuna for dating junhyung rather than her being not perfect. imo it's valid for people to get upset with this as dating a guy who was involved in burning sun scandal is disgusting. also i think your comment on g-dragon was tone deaf as it is a good thing that he decided to help dr*g addicts, and also you were way more harsh in giving ur opinion in chan's live case

Ok i agree with you saying just unfollow/ block her and move on. Harrassing her is not the solution. But people looked up to her, even if she has never outright claimed to be a feminist. So it is natural to be disappointed in her actions. And also many fans will more disappointed in themselves for supporting her all these years so its ok for them to express their emotions (without harrassing her of course)

I just feel like you dropped this video a bit too early…this situation only happened a day or so ago, and it wasn’t necessary to jump on straight away and call people out for being upset about her possible feminist image. It’s still a new and nuanced situation, and doing this now is just going to make people think you’re calling them stupid and their feelings invalid, even if that wasn’t your intention. This would have been good in a few weeks time, when everyone had time to settle and look back with a different perspective, and were prepared to get challenged. You also do tend to use a very authoritative and accusatory tone, which isn’t the best for getting people to listen to you. I completely understand that it’s how you speak, but I do think it could be toned down because I know people feel talked down to. I do love your videos though, I like getting a fresh perspective on the situation and you always give me a new way to look at things, even if I don’t agree sometimes. It’s also just a bit rude and unnecessary to insult someone by laughing at their argument and ‘slowing down so they can understand’. Do you want them to listen to you? Because they aren’t going to if you behave like that…I would check out the conversation immediately if someone talked to me like that, it just wouldn’t be worth it. It’s always better to just be nice.

look i agree with a lot of your points but i really think your message would be much better communicated if you didn't have such a condescending tone towards those who disagree with you, talking down to people is often going to just alienate them and lead them to misunderstand or misconstrue what you're trying to say, rendering your actual points pointless, and you can see that playing out in a massive way in this comment section, and instead of blaming everyone else for not connecting with what you're trying to say, try reflecting on how you can better deliver the message, the same way you're imploring hyuna's fans to reflect on their projections, the fact that you pinned a comment with a similar tone is not helping either, you're being counterintuitively combative and contributing to the toxicity of the community, possibly even more than any productive discourse

It's worrisome when there is woman who is still dating a man like that. I hope he doesn't film her when they are being intimate. It's her choice so I wish her luck. Kpop stans only complain every time. Just unstan her if you are disappointed with her.

I wish you would go back to making interesting videos like the blackpink olympics series, instead of tone deaf and condescending videos about how k-pop fans shouldn't have emotions or the slightest feeling of attachment to anything, and somehow that's their fault because... um, snowflakes? It's starting to get worrying.

Even though I wasn’t a huge fan of Hyuna, it’s still disappointing to see someone dating someone like that

Your take is absolutely wrong on this! Even if she wasn’t a feminist associating with him is wrong. Plus her actions/words have portrayed by a feminist.

i ask myself why these people have 50k subs then i see the comments;;; people really cant think

I have a hard time understanding why, for you, speaking up explicitly about controversial topics for female empowerment, which some idols have done, would be simply considered projecting by the fans and pandering towards them. This "never good enough" mentality is really strange.

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I agree and disagree with the video, same as I did with the BlackPink one. Lets not call it feminism, but the BP girlies AND Hyuna have made statements about female empowerment many times. Saying that fans are delusional for thinking that way about them is actually crazy, cause they themselves, their music and their image is selling just that: FEMALE EMPOWERMENT. Lets not act d*mb. I personally dont get hurt when things like this happen, nor I am disappointed in Hyuna because she aint my mom, why would I. But humans are not detached beings, we are meant to have emotions, this is like telling a person that has been a victim of scam that it was their fault, pretty insensitive. The other person is putting the effort into tricking you, so they are at fault. Of course it would be better if people where not naive, but than where would idols get the money to survive if their fans didn't eat the lies?. Your opinion is a hot take, and in this case a bad one. Again, this is not like G Idle who actually really are just performative, I have never seen them talk about feminist or queer rhetoric outside of their music, Hyuna is not this case, she has spoken about it, and BP too. Its not in the heads of the fans. They dont put names nor are extremely specific about it many times, like I said they never said "feminism", and its because they know in the future if they mess up there's gonna be someone out there telling their fans that its all their fault, that it was only their delusion and over attachment "your idol never really said that". Just to remind you, I am no big fan of anyone in this conflict, so I am just speaking from a point of view of a media and communications student. To come to your conclusion you need to take out the humanity and language and media implication out of the equation, and you cant do those 2 things if what you are talking about are humans. I have noticed a pattern in your videos of getting into disagreement if popular sentiments, and sometimes (many times) popular sentiments in kpop are wrong, but that doesnt mean that taking the anti-hero cape every time is the solution. But of course you are no god so you can be right or wrong, not judging you for that, but do am criticizing the points I disagree with.

I didn't know Hyuna had a feminist image. I just thought it was... indescribable how she started dating a male who went to jail for sexual crimes.

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I mean, look at how many people still monetarily support Nicki Minaj. How long will the internet outrage last exactly? Apparently people can be upset at someone’s choice of partner and STILL ignore it at the end of the day. I don’t buy any internet outrage at this point.

I get your point but it doesnt mean people can't critisize Hyuna. I don't follow her and I spend my time doing my own thing, but I did find it morally wrong and awful. Simply that. I do not care if I do not know her nor if she cares about my opinion. People can share their thoughts and critisize people for something they shared publicly. This does not mean bullying, ofc, but my point still stands. Like ok, you are right, but we moved on with our lives after that post as well because in reality most people do not care to that extent even though some fans care a little bit too much. You do something wrong, you get backlash for it. Simple.

You don't have to be a feminist to hate rape and sex trafficking, dissapointed in your video, i used to like it but your topic became more nitpicky to avoid having a larger discussion nowadays..

You make a lot of good content, but there's a lot here that I disagree with, and there's points you've made that, sure, could be correct, but they really don't matter in this situation and they don't really apply to the TRUE issue at hand, which is: HyunA posted a photo of her holding hands with a self-admitted sex crime enabler. Ignoring everything else, ignoring that she was friends with Hara, that she had some feminist music, that she projected an image that she said she didn't actually relate with, ignore all of that, there is still the fact that this man admitted to viewing illegal content of women who couldn't or didn't consent, and HyunA decided it was perfectly fine to post a photo with him. I think your tangent about "parasocial relationships" should've been an entirely separate video- a majority of people talking about this are not claiming they were betrayed by their idol, they're saying that HyunA is betraying victims by doing this.

THE BURNING SUN AND THE MOLKA CHAT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS I hate that people confuse those and tie everyone to everything that most of them had nothing to do with The cases were just exposed around the same time and THE CLUB WAS CLEARED BACK IN 2019 There was 3 different cases, NOT 1, NOT 2, BUT 3 Most of these people that do research dont do research they search for what they want the cases to be about and never actually deep dive for the full truth I have never trusted a KZfaqr in this case because there are things they never mention and it shows how little they actually know about the case

I think it’s very clear that you have forgotten that you are also a “western fan”. It is clear you feel as if you have some sort of superiority because you sit there and go “no guys YOU do this me and the Korean fans don’t!!” When I think you need to realise you do not live in Korea nor are you Korean so how would you genuinely fully know what’s going on? I don’t want you to feel attacked because I think it’s very clear that you’re a teenager but I think it’s crazy to turn the narrative and attack kpop fans? Hello? Yes most kpop fans do have parasocial relationships with their fave idols however regardless of that, any woman dating that man deserves to be criticised. Celebrity or not AS A WOMAN. Not a feminist. AS A WOMAN it’s disgusting what she’s doing. Whatever woman that could have been she should have known better, we should feel disappointed and upset and betrayed by any woman dating a man like that. I understand you’re young and you like having this narrative that you’re so detached but in a few years you are going to feel embarrassed💖

I don’t want to comment on how close Hyuna and Goo Hara were since I don’t know anything about it, but I do find it icky that she’s dating her dead friend’s ex. Regardless of the lies being spread about Hyuna and YJY, it is at best weird and at worst a smack in the face.

while i agree with all of your points made in the video, the thing about branding/image is that your actions are also part of the image you craft, conciously or not. unintended imagery (which is out of one's control) can happen a lot which is why branding is so, so necessary for everyone so people around them don't get the wrong idea and stuff like the hyuna situation happen. that being said, everyone being really upset at hyuna is understandable since she's dating a sexual predator who shows no fucking remorse. this is a very good lesson for the kpop community to take an idol's image/branding as it is instead of projecting their own personal values onto said idol, so when an idol clearly doesn't want to make progress should they ever do something wrong, they can save their energy by moving on and block the idol/group. we have a limited number of fucks to give, i think it's best to not give it to someone who may or may not listen to us. we don't know who they are personally.

I agree with your points but I believe that people are allowed to be upset, people's feelings are valid and tbh celebrity or no, regardless of image and anything else just as a human being this is disgusting, but honestly this is just the overall feeling and Ig the universal truth but in the end I personally don't care enough about this situation I mean it's not like my friend or a person I know did this. She chose to play a dangerous game which only she can lose or win, she lost PERIOD she will face consequences. Also cheryl I love your videos since I feel u are one of the only people who don't sugercoat things