I Decided to return my $4000 Apple M3 Max MacBook Pro...

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Explaining why I didn't want to pay extra $1000 on top of the $4000 and it wasn't worth the investment even though being the BEST laptop I've ever used... Let me explain!
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10:00 I didn't want to pay EXTRA $1000
11:40 Do YOU have the same bottleneck?
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@theTechNotice 6 ай бұрын

One word: Reguardless! 😂😂😂😂 UPDATE: I was actually wrong and I've made an update here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jbGIoMSBrsu3iY0.html

@CinemaNinja 6 ай бұрын

Bro I am 98% sure it’s because the Ram also function as vram for the gpu on the mac😂. You should get max Ram for sure

@bhushanfirake9678 6 ай бұрын

Regardless of how much Ram getting utilized at current specs, whole of the ram will still gets utilized even if you upgrade to maximum ram memory. That doesn't mean it will perform any lesser. But still as you said , we can get maxed out config right from beginning. then its good idea again for this laptop.

@JohnSmith-pn2vl 5 ай бұрын

you are using a mac wrong, so many do. learn how to use fullscreen, like actual fullscreen, not like windows. mission control is your friend

@JohnSmith-pn2vl 5 ай бұрын

oh and using a windows mouse on a mac is just epic fail. use a trackpad on the left of your keyboard and the magic mouse with your right hand, yes the magic mouse is the best mouse out there, this is a multitouch OS and there is nothing comparable out there. there are so many things to learn on a mac, ppl tend to use a mac like they used windows, which is the main error.

@JohnSmith-pn2vl 5 ай бұрын

so after watching the entire video. you compare PC memory sticks to Apple Silicon memory, which is way more expensive because it's all inside the SOC, you have to switch out everything to make it. pcb etc cost like nothing, the rgb doesn't cost like anything as well, its just a "gamer kid" tax like so many things in the PC world. and really why would you put away the best machine you ever had ? and Operating Systems changed a lot, they always use as much ram as possible, this works in their favor as people tend to think they don't have enough memory. while in reality 8GB are plenty enough for 99.99% of people, nobody edits videos or anything similar. you can edit videos with 8GB mac easily tho the 8GB Apple Silicon perform way better than a windows 16GB laptop, it's noit even comparable really. try opening 1000s of tabs in chrome, no problem on mac

@lwwells 6 ай бұрын

@6:00 macOS will use however much ram you give it. If you had 96 GB it’ll use 96 GB. This doesn’t mean ram is your bottleneck for a particular application.

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

Seconded this

@jbmanwe 6 ай бұрын

Any linux or bsd (like mac) Os will do. Use as much as possible and keep cache. Much more efficient. What he has measured is not something to trust unless you keep cache out of the equation.

@MichaelScrip 6 ай бұрын

I wish he had looked at memory pressure. That would have been good to know.

@user-mw1gi3vz9y 6 ай бұрын

how is this noob a reviewer? does not even know how mac os works but does a review on m3 max.

@akyhne 6 ай бұрын

If a particular application starts cache to disk, because you're out of ram, then it's because the computer could use more ram.

@AirGunWeb 6 ай бұрын

Did you do the same type of test with Final Cut? Is it more efficient with regard to memory usage? Did you have any issues when editing where the "lack of RAM" caused any issues or performance concerns? I have a 64 GB M1 Max MBP that I use for certain projects, but I run Final Cut. The fluidity of the entire process makes any PC I've ever used look like a glorified toaster. If you had never seen the 100 MB free, would you have ever known that there might be an issue? I appreciate your insight. Cheers Rick

@ezradja 6 ай бұрын

This is why we need arm proc for windows. We need the efficiency of Arm processor but without the apple tax.

@tonyburzio4107 6 ай бұрын

You don't get Windows either, Windows doesn't run on ARM.

@noma_rugai 6 ай бұрын

@@tonyburzio4107 Might need to update your info because there's Windows 11 on ARM in Microsoft Surface Pro X. You're welcocme!

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

@@tonyburzio4107it does, just not most apps

@dholzric1 6 ай бұрын

There is a version of windows on arm...

@antonioytm 6 ай бұрын

The only benefit you will get is it will be better when unplugged

@Lukaszpoluch 6 ай бұрын

Hello reffering to the old video, is Ryzen 7 5700g still a good option for a budget PC at the beginning of 2024 for photo processing and simple video editing? I think it is an interesting processor, especially in terms of low operating temperatures, I live in Mexico, so I have to deal with high temperatures and a limited budget, so I am considering this processor and the later upgrade with the Intel Arc 750. What do you think about this solution?

@34skyline 6 ай бұрын

I purchased the $3499 model M3 Max and this is my first Apple silicon Mac, And love it

@anthonyzheng7274 6 ай бұрын

Gotta look at memory pressure, don't look at "free ram" as M3/Max is caching at least 25% of your total RAM. Also, during heavy loads when in doubt, verify whether any swap is used. If 0 swap, then you are good. Don't worry about available free ram amount. Only upgrade if you are running LLM's.

@Cowicide 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I normally like his videos, but this one was lacking to say the least and I don't feel like he explained himself very well at all either on his choices beyond "it costs 1000 more than I want it to." Okayy......

@Wade_Adakai 5 ай бұрын

I agree, I am a video editor as well using the exact specifics he mentioned and I have 0 swapped memory as I am editing. The laptop is a beast 🙌🏽

@anthonyzheng7274 5 ай бұрын

Agreed, I'm not full time video editor but I do also mess around with 4k/8k/raw editing from time to time. I never any swap either. That was on my 48GB base model. I've since returned the base model and ordered 128GB (1TB - not paying apple another cent for storage) just to run my LLM's locally. Need those LLM's to write my assignments for grad school as various open source LLM's I download from hugging face are more dependable than the popular ones online such as chatgpt/bard/etc. After I get my degree I will sell this machine as I will no longer have any use for 128GB of VRAM/RAM. I'm a PC user and gamer btw.

@Bewefau 5 ай бұрын

Sense its using the ram so hard than and the SSD's have limited read/write on the memory chips I wonder if this is why apples SSD's are dying so fast.

@miguelj.cardenas4841 6 ай бұрын

@theTechNotice I'd like to ask you about ddr5 memories, I have the option to buy a Kingtong 128Gb 4 stick 5600 or Corsair 96Gb 6800 2 stick, what do you think? could be better about performance the 96Gb because the velocity is higher even though are 2 stick option or could be better 128 GB and 4 stick even if is slower than the 96 Gb option? about price a bit cheaper the 96Gb but the price is not the problem here. Thank in avance

@jasonhowe1697 6 ай бұрын

what are you scrubbing on 1TB or 8TB What lets apple down for me is the lack m.2 expansion or that matter sata/sas expansion Cache ram on pc these is between 120GB to 2-4TB pending what you ware scrubbing and its resolutions...

@MrBarrow100 6 ай бұрын

Great vid as usual but I have a question about something else. Are you going to do an update on video editing monitors? I just bought the Sony FX30 and planing on using the 10 bit 4.2.2. But having trouble finding a monitor. Please help when you have time. Thank you.

@aelaan12 6 ай бұрын

What a lot of people are overlooking is that, as soon as you go beyond of what the "standard" device is manufactured with, the laptop becomes a custom build. This means that it has to be slotted into a build, it is not simply adding more ram or adding a larger ssd. That is a choice Apple made, and we are paying through the nose. More and more I see even high-end laptops having soldered SSDs and Memory, but in some cases they do provide an additional slot for an SSD. Imagine if all of us Sheeple refused to purchase their expensive products.... would they change?

@johernandez266 6 ай бұрын

Nvidia says "Hold my beer." lol If you mac OS you have little choice that's why they charge what ever they want.

@torpedospurs 5 ай бұрын

Outside of Apple, I haven't seen a single high-end laptop that uses soldered SSDs in several years. Last one I remember is Microsoft's Surface Laptop 2 in 2018.

@ryshask 5 ай бұрын

what was the memory pressure? Free ram doesn’t mean anything, the OS will cache 200GiB if you had it.

@user-tc4tz8ww1z 6 ай бұрын

Hey man you make very informative videos! Would you mind doing comparison between image/video AI upscale software? I'm thinking of getting Topaz but there are much cheaper options for video like Videoproc, not sure if Topaz would be worth it for me

@aflury 6 ай бұрын

Are you sure that "fully utilized" RAM is *active* memory, not the filesystem cache?

@it_pc_guy 6 ай бұрын

Not sure if you tried checking activity monitor, but I just had this happen with istatistica Pro. I think it is a bug as my 32GB Mac studio said it has only a few MB free, but upon opening a different tool like iStats or the activity monitor, I could see I had many GB still free. I think something is wrong with istatistica Pro as macOS never lets RAM get that low. It will swap to the SSD before it does that.

@Bewefau 5 ай бұрын

I don't get it how would you say your not using all the ram after you just said your using all the ram ?

@oxocanDOTcom 6 ай бұрын

I’ve been an ONLY MAC user since 2003. I bought the M3 MacBook Pro, full-spec and I am having EXACTLY the same issue as you, especially when trying to render out a simple scene in Cinema 4D. I have followed your build guide and have ordered all the parts for a desktop, yes for all pro activities I am moving to a PC! This will be my first PC build ever and first time using windows in over 20 years! It’s going to be a fantastic experience building this! Watched all your build videos so I am ready for the challenge! The only thing I find dawning is the cable connection that’s required! Might end up calling you :))))))))!

@CinemaNinja 6 ай бұрын

Is because it uses the ram as vram for the gpu

@tjdultra6982 6 ай бұрын

One thing I can't reconcile in my head is if the RAM of Macbooks are unified and used by CPU & GPU then when you compare it to a Windows system you should also factor in GPU's VRAM cost because dGPU doesnt use the CPU RAM but uses its own VRAM(which relatively costs way more compared to normal RAM). I'm no Apple fanboy but I just want to know if we're comparing Apples to Apples here(pun intended)

@BiswajitDas-wp9gz 6 ай бұрын

Apple uses LPDDR5 ram like any other device its just so close to soc and soldered that its works as gpu ram also, they dont use the gddr6 version of high cost memory yet

@syarifairlangga4608 6 ай бұрын

@@BiswajitDas-wp9gzso its not faster, but almost zero latency?

@akyhne 6 ай бұрын

I don't know if this has changed for Windows laptops, since I last owned one, but GPUs on those used to use shared ram, as well. I think mine had a GTX 750 or so, with half a gig of ram, then you could set in bios to share up to 2 gigs. The same goes for my new AMD CPU, with onboard graphics. A Ryzen 9 7900, with a similar option, that you can set in bios, how much ram, the igpu can use.

@Bewefau 5 ай бұрын

@@akyhne yeah some of them still do.

@ArtemDzhadzha 6 ай бұрын

What about click-through (cmd-click)? That's how I'm pausing KZfaq, but you have to click precisely where the play/pause should be since it's hidden

@BlingLingification 6 ай бұрын

Can you compare the performance of a windows PC with 96GB of RAM and the M3 Max with 48GB of RAM while also keeping track of the RAM usage? That would really test out whether the 48GB of RAM on the M3 Max creates an equivalent performance as 96GB of RAM on the Windows PC.

@Geardos1 6 ай бұрын

modern apple sillicon macs use as much memory as possible, this is correct. That's by design in the OS afaik.

@Teluric2 6 ай бұрын

Memory leak.

@Cowicide 6 ай бұрын

@@Teluric2 Wrong. Educate yourself.

@DanielRodriguez-fg5ll 5 ай бұрын

This is a rich world problem. "We enjoy using a machine, but then change my mind because I see some technical spec". Just stop looking for reasons not to be happy, and just be happy using the machine.

@Meyecool 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for saying this.This neurotic whining is rampant in this space. As a complete normie who makes a hefty purchase every 7 years or so it's absolutely maddening to see these people constantly going back and fourth proclaiming something to be the next best thing followed by "why I am returning it" and DoNt mAkE tHis mIstAKe !!

@kinocchio 6 ай бұрын

Can you return a laptop after using it? Do Apple refund in full?

@nxs44 6 ай бұрын

I deeply appreciate the quality of your reviews. Is there any chance you could update your review on Asus Studio Pro Art 16 inch and upgrade the ram to 128 Gigs of high speed DDR5 ram to see if there is a efficient boost in content creator performance? Unfortunately I just don't understand why Asus doesn't have a version Pro Art Studio Pro laptop with Nvidia 4090 with 16 to 24 Gigs video memory on board because I would surely buy it.Thanks again for all the work you do on our behalf.

@creativeearthian1702 6 ай бұрын

I don't understand..if Microsoft holds a patent on snapping windows, how come my Samsung tablet has it on DeX version of Android. It works exactly the same..it also has absolutely flawless floating windows with text reflow regardless of the window size, which is something unseen on the Mac OS 🤦‍♂️

@EHKvlogs 6 ай бұрын

what do you expect from upcoming chips like snapdragon elite x etc? 🤔

@tonyburzio4107 6 ай бұрын

Always upcoming. And upcoming. You don't even get to have Windows, Windows doesn't run on those chips.

@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 6 ай бұрын

So are you saying, even with a $4000 Mac, you'd have a better experience doing video editing with Adobe Premiere with a PC? Did I hear you say you were using a PC with 128 gigs of ram? I bought a PC for other reasons than video editing, and it was a better choice for my needs. I'm not worried if the battery lasts as long or not as I'm plugged in most of the time.

@spinthma 2 ай бұрын

I think you are more mind trapped than spec trapped, did you compare 128G with the 48G? For me a more important issue would be the number memory channels, 48G seems to use 3 and 64G 4 of it, did you check that?

@matthazard 6 ай бұрын

My experience is that the way the M series chips use memory is pretty different than x86. MacOS does what he suggested; it will use all the RAM that's available. However, that doesn't mean you're leaving performance on the table. Your editing/making experience will mostly be the same regardless. What is cached for playback or rendering is what would be limited. The software can also be the bottleneck; if it can't utilize all the cores or it's using media encoders instead, more RAM wouldn't matter.

@JFrameMan 6 ай бұрын

Cache is a meaningless argument for lower ram getting you further. The same experience is had on a windows machine with a pcie4 or higher SSD. Paging is not slower than Mac os cache, it's 99% dependent on the hardware. The bad thing about cache is that it heavily wears out your SSD, which is not a big deal on a machine where you can replace an SSD in 5 minutes for under $200 for 2TB+. On a mac, your cache is aging it to the point where if that ssd dies a day after warranty, either you pay thousands of dollars for a repair or throw the whole $4000+ machine away.

@Teluric2 6 ай бұрын

If windows use all the ram apple users say its bloated and unoptimized Double estandard.

@zarkozi 6 ай бұрын

Exaclty. Real review would be if the two ram variants were actually compared between each other. This way it's just bald statement and possible missinformation

@dyong888 6 ай бұрын

Designed obsolecence. That's Apple "innovation".@@JFrameMan

@dyong888 6 ай бұрын

LOL so true.@@Teluric2

@johnodonoghue651 6 ай бұрын

You're returning it because of the battery?

@livedreamsg 6 ай бұрын

I found one in excellent condition with 100% battery health for $3200 (before tax) and jumped on it. 16C/40C GPU, 1TB SSD and 48GB RAM.

@livedreamsg 6 ай бұрын

I have an M1 Pro for work. This is notably smoother and has 0 hiccups.

@jmozgawa 6 ай бұрын

I'm afraid that you've got it totally wrong :o. It's just the way how macOS is utilising ram. Even if it would have like 512GB of ram you might seen free ram value around 100MB without any app open. This is because macOS tends do cache everything, every file that has been read from ssd, just in case it might needed in the future. What you should pay attention to is memory pressure, not free memory. On Macs free memory means wasted memory. I had similar concerns when I was starting my journey with Macs, free ram doesn't mean the same for Macs and Pcs, I'm afraid :) It's a shame that you've decided to return it back because of that ;p That being said I've got 128GB model and I'm constantly seeing that free ram around 1-2GB while actual usage is oscillating somewhere between 50-60GB (app memory) everything over is just cache.

@ansoncall6497 6 ай бұрын

It's true. He's actually not leaving any performance on the table. It's just the opposite. Mac OS just handles memory very differently.

@gerald1964 6 ай бұрын

Agree. Here is some more detail. There is a section of RAM that is allocated to a program that is called the heap. Memory is dynamically allocated and deallocated by the program by its various threads as the program runs. I suspect that Mac OS is setting aside a huge amount of memory to your program but much of it is likely not being used! It is just sitting there waiting to be quickly allocated and deallocated by the program on-the-fly. This pool of memory that is available for dynamic allocation and deallocation by the program is called the heap. As an aside, a program will also allocate static memory which is allocated for the duration that the program is running. It is never deallocated. Did you launch other programs that take up a lot of memory while running Premiere Pro? What did memory pressure look like in Activity Monitor when you thought that you were running low on memory? I believe that Mac OS can also decrease the amount of heap memory on-the-fly as well as other programs start to run. MaxTech performed extreme stress testing a few years ago where a 32 Mbyte M1 Max system was compared to a 64 Mbyte M1 Max system. A massive number of programs ran concurrently including video editing with raw footage. Virtually no differences in performance was found between the two systems. Bottom line : I believe that you are returning the notebook for the wrong reasons. If you are doing data science or machine learning work or if you are writing huge symphonies professionally, that is another story.

@Aviox 6 ай бұрын

Apple’s back at it again with their AMAZING prices! 🤢

@lwwells 6 ай бұрын

Its cheaper than a Scar

@baekmedier 6 ай бұрын

I have a self build desktop PC that just rips.. but actually the M3 for the price is the best labtop 😆 Only reason i didnt buy it is because I have the Macbook Pro M1 and its more that I need for professional video editing 😅 The PC is better for aftereffects though.. hehe

@gosman949 6 ай бұрын

Luckily I own their stock! As a stockholder, you can blame me too.

@antonioytm 6 ай бұрын

@@baekmedier "M3 for the price is best laptop" are you kidding? Sure when unplugged but many people use their laptop plugged in when doing heavy work on it

@baekmedier 6 ай бұрын

@@antonioytm it sounds like you use your computer for gaming.. then ofc the PC wins.. hands Down.. or 3D rendering.. But I earn my money for food and roof over my head with making professional videoes in Premiere Pro for big and small companys. At this point I have tryied then all.. PC and Mac.. even before the M1 was out.. back then I would agree that Mac’s was just a design product that was shitty at best, but a total ripoff at worst. The M1 chip changed that totally. My PC setup is RTX 4080 Noctua, 96GB fastest ram.. Asus proART motherboard and the I9 13900 KS.. and it is crazy.. but my M1 Pro Macbook in some cases does the job in premiere Pro just as well 😅 And its a freaking labtop. I had the fastest Razor labtop at a point, and it was loud as F! And the second you unplugged it its performance was 5% making it a gloryfied calculator.. For professional video editing in premiere Pro only my experience is that the M1, M2 and M3 is just crazy good tools.. and as a professional it dosent matter What the Price is if its reliable and stabil as it is..

@SamFigueroa 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. Really convinced me that I want to wait for there will be a M3 Max in a MacStudio or M3 Ultra with even more memory bandwidth.

@dyong888 6 ай бұрын

That's why I went with a Lenovo Legion with RTX4080 and live with the need to have the unit plugged in when running. I can up the RAM to 64GB (maybe more) and have 2 upgradable Nvme SSD slots.

@HDRPC 6 ай бұрын

I think we have many laptops like Dell XPS 16, asus rog zephyrus G16 2024, etc laptops

@kwameryan Ай бұрын

I’m returning my M3 Max as well, but this is because between placing the order and getting it, the M4 iPad Pro was released, so I know the M4 Max is a just a few months away. I also decided to get the maximum SSD capacity (8GB) and RAM (128 GB) although it’s exorbitantly expensive. This power and storage on the go will make the laptop as powerful as my self-built PC using half the power or less, which will be amazing. Thanks for this video!

@lorsheckmolseh3345 6 ай бұрын

Better buy a Schenker with a 4090m and spend a nice holiday from the savings.

@Darkpill-2 5 ай бұрын

You’d be fine with 32gb of ram, OSX uses up all ram as fast as possible for caching.

@pspicer777 6 ай бұрын

So why would I buy thus or any Apple products?

@Mattceeee 6 ай бұрын

Clicking to activate in Mac OS is the reason I moved back to PC. If you have several windows open at once, that extra click is massively annoying!

@MichelMemeteau 5 ай бұрын

Would love some compare with Ubuntu Linux Laptop !

@stevesloan6775 6 ай бұрын

All being said ,I totally see your point, buuuut you being a professional use computer content creator. I’d love to see you do a comparison video series 48gig Vs 128gig. I’m very sure that series would rate very well. 😂 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀☮️

@elontolstoi2288 6 ай бұрын

Me on a M1 Pro MacBook Pro with 16gb of ram editing 4k 10 bit 4.2.2. without any problems.

@SanzzyVFX 6 ай бұрын

And some red raw footage?

@elontolstoi2288 6 ай бұрын

@@SanzzyVFX I own a Sony A7IV, I never edit red raw.

@GethinColes 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like a memory leak in premiere. Adobe is am expert at memory leaks 👌

@PhillipRPeck 6 ай бұрын

I've seen the same thing in DaVinci Resolve. Seems to want to gobble up all the system RAM even at the beginning of a project where nothing much is going on

@ak33mc 6 ай бұрын

yep. defo a memory leak

@CinemaNinja 6 ай бұрын

Nope Mac uses Ram as both Ram and vram for the gpu. Nothing is wrong when it’s filled up most likely just the gpu getting used.

@lucaphilfranze6922 6 ай бұрын

Recently bought the M3 Max 40c GPU model with 128GB of Ram (1TB of SSD tho). I am a filmmaker and regularly push the machines. On my latest project I had around 1.5 TB of Raw footage (Arri, R3D, MXF, H264 Long-GOP all mixed) and I found myself even maxing out 128GB of RAM. Editing performance was out of this world though. Haven't had anything like it, even windows Desktops with RTX 4080 type stuff.

@Teluric2 6 ай бұрын

Yeh 4080 is slow. The thing here is that anybody can say any crazy thing I doubt its true. Hollywood productors use windows machines with 512 GB ram A6000 cards much more expensive than any mac.

@theivadim 6 ай бұрын

This is just a load of assumptions. I understand that you don't have access to a Mac with higher memory capacity to do a comparison. But the least you could do is load up a more complex project to check if you'll experience any performance issues in your workflow. Indeed, Apple is making higher profit margins on upgrades. That is why the question "how much memory is enough?" is a very interesting one. I wouldn't want to overpay for an upgrade that won't benefit my workflow.

@SamFigueroa 5 ай бұрын

If you need to constantly pause and unpause a video just press the Play/Pause/F8 key. You won't even have to switch apps.

@amigodesigns 6 ай бұрын

Great laptop in battery mode, no questions. But sadly still far away in 3d rendering and in terms of software support for engineers vs a Windows laptop.

@Ultrajamz 6 ай бұрын

I think a mac laptop (probably a pro not a max level) for portability and access to ios development, and a PC desktop for max power, is the combo to have.

@GlobalWave1 6 ай бұрын

It closed the gap greatly between the M2 Max and M3 max. I think they should make it 50 cores this year and continue improving the GPU. The benefits of the battery life and efficiency outweigh the cons of it not being a 4090 mobile. Most people rarely need more power and those mostly consist of KZfaq commenter’s.

@amigodesigns 6 ай бұрын

@@GlobalWave1 A designer and engineer here, I'm talking about my working area, this doesn't mean it applies to everyone, that's why I was specific on my coment.

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

3d is great on Mac if you use Blender with Eevee (Especially with Eevee Next). Cycles would require the M3 generation for the fastest speeds. Any software incompatibilities are easily solved with Crossover. It’s mainly a question of do you prefer Windows or Mac

@sombrabombra4042 6 ай бұрын

@@chidorirasenganz the question is why do you even need an apple product if money is the concerning point. 5k grand. But will it be faster than 3 laptops with 4080? And if we just talk about editing and not rendering you can do that on 14700k/7900x mini-PC with somewhat decent GPU or an "on the go" laptop with 4070 and then off you go to the render station.

@dodd15 6 ай бұрын

Free Memory is not good metric for RAM utilisation in modern OS. Instead you should look at Memory Used and Memory Pressure. If this only reason why you returned it, then I think it was mistake.

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

?? Free RAM is important to prevent SSD SWAP....? what baloney myth free RAM is bad?

@Keith80027 6 ай бұрын

I left Apple in 2016 when I had to replace my apple tower because Mac OS would no longer support a 5 year old tower. Even then, new apple desktop was going to cost twice what a PC would cost. I had Puget Systems build be a wonderful, fast, quiet and cooler Photoshop machine. So glad I switched when I did because I been paying a lot more for apple hardware for years.

@Cowicide 6 ай бұрын

FYI, there's easy to use 3rd party methods to use newer macOS versions with older, officially unsupported Mac hardware that works fine.

@destructodisk9074 5 ай бұрын

@@Cowicide Yes, its also worth noting Apple still throws out updates for bugs and security holes and hardware fixes on older machines. While on a Window's machine, you may be able to get the latest Windows features, hardware support is up to the vendor, where support is anywhere from a few years to none at all. I have bought HP laptops where there is a software bug for something like bluetooth or display and they just never issued an update ever. Just broken from launch to end of life. Heck my wife's old iMac still gets bootcamp updates on Windows... meaning our Apple machine is seeing more support on Windows than some Windows first party devices.

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

@@destructodisk9074 not true? Hp laptop? that's manufacturer fault not windows fault...microsoft is software not hardware and software company ....

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

@@destructodisk9074 same as iphone did iphone support? IOS 17 on iphone X iphone 8? lolz ..

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

@@destructodisk9074 + new planned obselence hardware from apple anti repair iphone macbook makes people turn away from apple? my friend own M1 macboook? well it coulnd't last than 3 years after soldered SSD CPU and RAM bricked the machine ....well repair cost ....?? guess what the repair cost....maybe you should consider the new macbook air ....e-waste from apple nice try

@Semi-Detached 6 ай бұрын

The comparison of the RAM is a bit off, the memory in an M-series chip is on the processor package. So when you compare a desktop stick of RAM, it's made up of 8 or more individual chips per DIMM so a total of 16 chips for the two DIMM modules, vs the two chips on the M-series processor package. So in this case, the density of the chips Apple is using is much higher, which makes them more expensive. Now thats not to say the prices Apple is charging are acceptable, they are not. But it's also not a simple one to one comparison with a stick of desktop memory. The more dense and small you have to manufacture a thing, the more expensive it becomes.

@CinemaNinja 6 ай бұрын

Bro I am 98% sure it’s because the Ram also function as vram for the gpu on the mac😂. You should get max Ram for sure

@michaelpaolini 6 ай бұрын

So your take is that it flys on editing, yet you feel bottlenecked because the machine is using every bit of hardware you payed for (the memory that is not required for the applications is used for cacheing). I think he issue is your understanding is flawed, not the design.

@dystopia-utopiarelation-re3191 6 ай бұрын

Apple and especially Adobe are using as much ram as they get. PS and LR together did even produge a Swap sometimes. But you will not feel any bottleneck at all

@challengegravity 6 ай бұрын

An SSD is always slower than RAM, so if the RAM is full and additional memory must be stored in swap, that can and will affect performance. Though most apps will try to put what you are actively working on into RAM and move the rest into swap... though with larger (filesize) projects like video editing, it becomes harder to for the computer to 'work' from swap directly.

@dystopia-utopiarelation-re3191 6 ай бұрын

I guess the swap will be minimal but sure there is no too much ram. But I think Adobe could fill Terabytes of ram. 😂

@challengegravity 6 ай бұрын

@@dystopia-utopiarelation-re3191 Haha, that is definitely true. Not sure how they do it when even free alternatives manage not to (GIMP, Krita, Darktable, etc)

@Grinsen 6 ай бұрын

I respect your opinion - I think the same ... the question is what else to buy at $3000 - $3500??

@lucasrem 6 ай бұрын

Grinsen We creative people need this, M3 is the best. any MacBook Pro we need, this is good update some day. $3000 - $3500 or 8000 models, why spent so many on it ? Need it ?

@favour9189 6 ай бұрын

Apple does not become a 3 trillion by being nice to the consumer😂😂😂😂

@viranimediakenya3272 6 ай бұрын

buy a 64gb ram 14900hx rtx 4090 16gb vram or 7945h rtx 4090 both will give great hard drive expansion as well and with a 1,000$ power inverter it becomes same price as the m3 max of similar spec but without the ram & ssd expansion bottleneck and maybe less portable.. hmm

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

Or just get a M3 Max/Ultra Mac Studio when that comes out in a few months

@saurabhshivamverma4192 3 ай бұрын

TRY MSI Titan 18 HX A14V LAPTOP WHICH HAVE 192GB RAM UPGRADABLE 🔥

@falsevacuum1988 5 ай бұрын

The "Apple magic" is really simple: they purchased 80% of TSMC production capacity for 3nm, while no one else were ready to pay for extremely expensive 3nm nodes.

@El.Duder-ino 6 ай бұрын

The biggest issue with Macs as mentioned in this vid is their crazy high price of both RAM and SSD memory. Considering none of them is upgradeable the price is completely bonkers. Apple develops amazing chip and then completely ruins it with the memory prices... This approach definitely won't make Macs more popular!

@escape2880 6 ай бұрын

portability comes with a compromise

@castielvargastv7931 6 ай бұрын

Now imagine those poor guys who bought the mac with just 8gb ram trying to get video projects like u do done with it😂😂

@TheLadedaman 5 ай бұрын

I don't think the ram is a bottleneck, the program probably just allocates as much free ram space as your system has available. That being said the apple silicon macbooks are in a league of their own that's for sure. I was looking into potentially upgrading my intel macbook to one of the m3 max macbooks. I just really wish apple included 2tb of storage standard with the m3 max 16 inch models. A laptop with a base retail price of 4 thousand dollars in late 2023/2024 aimed at production professionals should come with more than 1tb of storage. The 14/30 m3 max 16 inch is on sale right now for 3300 but still after taxes and apple care that's 4 grand for a laptop with 1tb of storage.

@tonyburzio4107 6 ай бұрын

Since you didn't find it, the way to get faster speeds on Mac storage is to set up a RAID array with two (or more) SSD drives. The RAID software comes with your Mac, and is pretty easy to set up. I have several 2TB disks set up as 4TB paired drives, and they are about twice as fast as one alone.

@JeffreyGaribay 5 ай бұрын

These Macs are designed to use all the ram. Unused ram is wasted ram. Buy the 128GB ram and see what happens.

@paligap4355 6 ай бұрын

I don't think this guy knows how memory works, taking into account that his job is hardware and computers that is very concerning

@vernearase3044 5 ай бұрын

I believe the on-chip memory bandwidth for a M3 Max is about 800 GB/sec vs. PC slotted RAM which I think can achieve a max of around 50 GB/sec. I doubt your performance was memory constrained - more likely the software was simply caching information to speed access (like practically any unix/linux system will do). Free RAM is a waste, and unixy OSes tend to try and make use of all free RAM.

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

800Gb/s Alex Zilnsky prove it wrong.... the 4070 and 4080 can chew LLM over 2TB/s bandwidth? dont believe all PR stun by Apple

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

the 800GB/s not equivalent PCIe? if 800GB/s is equuivalent PCie Nvidia can shoot their feet ....even gaming Blender UE 5 still mediocre peformance than windows PC? hell yeah FSR upscaling to play 4k native ? 800GB/s ?? can play native resolutio gaming? none of those bold Apple claim 800Gb/s can beat anything windows PC could offer...

@vernearase3044 5 ай бұрын

@@user-hx8dh4fc1m Graphics cards are incredibly fast, but you have to traverse PCIe to get to the graphics card - this is the _unspoken_ Wintel overhead that no one mentions. You format your graphics requests and data in main memory, compress them, and transmit them over PCIe. The graphics card receives the compressed data into VRAM, decompresses the request and data, _then_ runs the request. If it's a compute request the GPU compresses the result and transmits the data back over PCIe, and the CPU receives the request into main memory and decompresses the data. If it's an iterative request, the data may be traverse the PCIe "pipe" several times. PCIe is the main bottleneck, and it's put up with so that CPU manufacturers, GPU manufactureres, and motherboard manufacturers can all coexist in the marketplace in their own marketing silos.

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

@@vernearase3044 intel and AMD has their own solution such as EMIB *FOVEROS* infinity fabric and Nvidia NVlink ( previous name ) mellanox inc ....which is far huge superior low latency bandwidth than overhype 800Gb/s PR by apple ....fusing RAM into CPU is not something new...with intel current meteorlake is going similiar approach .. well CXL ( compute express link ) which is sadly only applicable in server which is not going to change PCIe latency lanes anytime soon

@user-hx8dh4fc1m 5 ай бұрын

@@vernearase3044 i do understand PCIe is the real bottleneck here...and yet there's no industry standard to cope with this issues with current CXL ....? i hope this issues fixed but AMD infiinity fabric and intel foveros EMIB ( well for server market only ) ... free RAM is bad? i rather has free RAM than compressed RAM that choke your CPU and swap SSD for performance caching

@scottdpeterstv 6 ай бұрын

Still not powerful enough for demanding 3d workflows or good with unreal engine for virtual production. Hard pass. Give me the ProArt Studiobook 16 instead any day. Better display, more powerful and touchscreen with styllus support.

@Matty-rn5gt 6 ай бұрын

Apple unified memory architecture is on the silicon alongside the CPU and GPU (a SOC) and on the M3 MAX has 400 GB/s bandwidth. I don’t believe comparing PC DRAM prices is really that relevant as even the fastest DRAM hits

@Teluric2 6 ай бұрын

So how do you know hits 400gbs? You just believe anything apple publishes?

@Matty-rn5gt 6 ай бұрын

@@Teluric2 why not? My point is that unified memory on a SOC is not the same cost nor performance as DRAM on a stick. Apple no doubt have considerable margin on their pricing but the PC DRAM comparison is misleading.

@auroraflash 6 ай бұрын

I am devastated that there is bottlenecking on a 5000 € machine.

@erenixereinx5409 6 ай бұрын

Are you sleeping right now? How do you manage to make so many quality videos in such a short time?

@Cowicide 6 ай бұрын

Sooooo.... are you less productive on the M3 Max so you make less money with it in general? I really don't understand this video.

@tafsir5780 5 ай бұрын

The best thing you did was sending it back, most like if it want faulty , they would have told you it got water damaged , ect , ect & cannot be fixed v, you will have to buy a new one

@psysword 6 ай бұрын

Fcpx rocks at 16 GB but i just ordered the 128 gb just to be safe even on Adobe if i ever make the jump. For fcpx users there is nothing else out there that is so so blazing fast

@Teluric2 6 ай бұрын

Because fcp is only for mac os .

@mrrexy4151 6 ай бұрын

Omg, rtx 4090 just skyrocketed in Europe...$2000+

@RogerThatFilms 6 ай бұрын

This feels like a stretch to justify a custom built pc. There are plenty of reasons to choose a pc over a mac but this doesn't seem like one of them. Apple probably uses the ram differently.

@msdevel 5 ай бұрын

@theTechNotice incredible misunderstanding of how ram works in these OS. it's different than Windows.

@romanmartynov2346 5 ай бұрын

The host clearly doesn't understand how Mac OS works 🤦‍♂

@chrispeden979 6 ай бұрын

This is BS. It’s like you’re saying I want more ram so that it’s not all used. What is the point of having Ram? Uhhhh for the system TO USE!

@01ai01 6 ай бұрын

8 gigs on a mac doesn't equal 16 on windows 😂. At best all the ms bloatware telemetry/tracking takes maybe 1-2gigs extra vs mac os.

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

I don’t think DDR5 vs LPDDR5 prices are comparable but either way I think the best value will be the M3 Mac Studio

@akyhne 6 ай бұрын

So when did we come to this point, that you need to spend as much money on a laptop, as on a smaller used car? There's no "Best value" in a laptop, that costs 5 grand!

@jmwintenn 5 ай бұрын

@@akyhne dont try to reason with apple people. they just baaaah.

@chidorirasenganz 5 ай бұрын

@@akyhne the Macbook Air starts at 999$. A farcry from used car prices unless you’re talking about a real clunker

@chidorirasenganz 5 ай бұрын

@@jmwintenn 🥱

@daveh6356 6 ай бұрын

But you're not actually bottlenecked by the RAM because you didn't experience any actual slow-downs did you? You just assumed that Mac memory management and PC memory management are the same and created an imagined problem. Caught in the weeds. To 'snap' windows you don't need a 3rd party app, just click & hold the green zoom window button and toggle the Option key. You have a valid point about Apple's upgrade gouging - this will ruin them.

@DeputyBurbank 6 ай бұрын

Is Apple cool with that? Returning a 4k MacBook? I’d assume anyone buying a 4k MacBook would know beforehand what they are getting. If it’s defective then ok, but what do you say when they ask for a reason? “I’m done making my comparison video so don’t need it anymore?” lol. Do you mail it back or take it to a store and deal with a human?

@ctjh373 5 ай бұрын

I think you have to understand that the OS is designed to use as much RAM as it can. A ‘bottleneck’ as you call it would suggest there is a drop in performance however you state in your video that it is the best laptop you have ever owned…. I interpret that as no bottleneck…. Doesn’t make much sense to me but Either way I enjoy your videos and keep making them 👍🏻

@miuanek 6 ай бұрын

If Ram is full, doesn’t mean it is bottlenecking….Bottlenecking it will be when the computer start getting slow … I think this machine with this ram can handle even bigger project, maybe 10times bigger !

@tonytech5520 6 ай бұрын

It doesn't make sense that in 2024 the average creator needs that much RAM. 48GB should be sufficient, as it would be like having 32GB RAM and 16GB VRAM, even though it doesn't work the same way on a Mac.

@dholzric1 6 ай бұрын

No-one should need more than 640k...

@pietdv 5 ай бұрын

Why would you not purchase the right/best configuration for your needs in the first place? These “I’m returning it” videos are nothing more than time wasting ramblings with click bait thumbnails with bad acting

@jksoftware1 5 ай бұрын

Again your wrong... Memory on the Mac is highly dense. Higher dense ram costs more which is why it costs $1000 more. The pc memory you showed is not an accurate representation of what memory is on a Mac.

@auroraflash 6 ай бұрын

tell me more about the bottleneck

@DeputyBurbank 6 ай бұрын

It’s not patented. ChromeOS has it. Samsung tablets have it. Android has it.

@alexmid 5 ай бұрын

Yes, Apple prices is very very BAD!

@chidorirasenganz 6 ай бұрын

Also common misconception Unified memory doesn’t divide the RAM but shares it. You don’t get 1/2 for the CPU and GPU respectively but 100% for both.

@mumbakayoba3082 6 ай бұрын

lol why is everyone returning it, i think even apple tech , sorry i meant max tech did at some point

@xaratemplate 6 ай бұрын

Finally even KZfaqrs are starting to say no to Apples inflated SSD prices and Ram. Basically 2024 = apple is screwed if they dont stop ripping off customers for storage and ram. I have an apple laptop but Im buying PC desktop as well and no plans to buy another macbook until the prices come down. Maybe buying a previous generation that has discounts.

@cyclinginsofia 6 ай бұрын

It is silly to compare apples with pears. The memory in apples is literally in the processor. Perhaps the equivalent of that is the cache in classic Intel and AMD processors. Mac-OS is much more optimized in the use of this extra hi-speed memory. That's why your tests don't show real values. Can you buy a classic processor (not from Apple) with 128GB cache? That's why there can be no comparisons. It works on a completely different principle and that's why the price difference is so big.

@our_roadtrip 6 ай бұрын

This is not true. The memory is not on the same die as the M3. It’s on the same PCB. Nothing special about it. The M series uses the same Address range for the CPU and the GPU. Wich means Objects that are manipulated by the GPU and the CPU don’t have to be stored in RAM and VRAM. That’s the only real difference. That’s the core of Apples insane claim that 8gb Apple RAM is the equivalent of 16gb of PC RAM. However: there is nothing special about the RAM chips used… it’s standard stuff.

@cyclinginsofia 6 ай бұрын

@@our_roadtrip Not the same memory speed. Can DDR5 have 400GB/s memory speed? AMD 3D V-Cache has speed of 182 GB/s. Only L1 cache in standard CPU has better speed, but how much L1 cache have this modern processor? I'll give you a hint - it's not even measured in GBs.

@our_roadtrip 6 ай бұрын

@@cyclinginsofia You are aware that Apple uses low power DDR5 memory? There is *nothing* special about the chips. Apple uses more channels to connect the chips to the M3. But it's rarely a bottleneck for the CPU. GPU performance benefits somewhat. But all modern GPUs have a high enough memory bandwidth. And Apple knows this. That's why most of the M3s except for the very top end have a way lower memory bandwidth.

@akin242002 6 ай бұрын

If you were starting your channel, I can see the M3 Max 16-inch as a business expense. However, your channel is already established. Your other high-end creator laptop is less expensive and not needed for you to grow your channel.

@robertmartin2898 6 ай бұрын

FINALLY admitting that the Mac is not suited for extreme jobs. I'm not a KZfaq reviewer or big user but Apple stuff is very good but most of the time unrepairable most of time, and surely not upgradable.

@santiagovelezsaffon 6 ай бұрын

Wow 14 minutes of explaining nothing

@chrispeden979 6 ай бұрын

Anything for content and clicks these days. Wasting peoples time with nonsense.

@Vj-mi7fi 5 ай бұрын

You are not listening 😂

@akcivan 3 ай бұрын

So you didnt understand? I got a lot bro 😂

@schnaphead 6 ай бұрын

The fastest laptop without comparison is the fastest laptop without comparison. Right? Who cares what's happening with the RAM. It's still a beast with 48GB. It'd be fun to see a comparison with the 48GB against the 128GB to see how it actually effects performance.

@quincyfreeman2901 6 ай бұрын

That's my thing, too. Apple said that they've updated how ram is utilized to make sure the system is utilizing more ram rather than leaving a bunch of it free, and that they believe their swap memory speed is effective enough to be unnoticeable (up to a point, of course). It's silly to have a conversation like this about ram utilization being high while not discussing how much swap memory was being used. what ultimately matters is overall performance and experience, cost, etc.. so yeah, if he has no need for regular portability with high performance, then totally go with a desktop. Heck, maybe the next Studio would be perfect for him. Or why not just pend the $200 for the 64gb if it's basically perfect in every other way? Feels like he's mostly just upset about the pricing (which I agree, is very shady).

@barryobrien1890 6 ай бұрын

I think that's what he is saying. In benchmarks the Mac trashed his pc, but in actual real work he is not seeing a huge performance boost which he puts down to lack of Ram. With all his apps, music, browsers etc open, it runs similar to the pc. Since he does not need battery life, it's not all that beneficial to his workflow for $4k, so it's going back. I can understand his point. If it does not fit the workflow, why have it collect dust. Most people only need 1 machine and then have a backup in case. Maybe he feels it does not work as well for his other apps he uses, I think the Mac is the best laptop out there, but you kind of have to commit to the ecosystem and lack of choice in hw. Some people love this and others are bothered by it.