I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! F-14 Tomcat VS 2 MiG-31 Foxhound

I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! F-14 Tomcat VS 2 MiG-31 Foxhound | DCS World

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Hey guys.
In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the F14 Tomcat fighting 2 MiG31 Foxhounds. And I finally figured out how to defeat the R37 missile. Hope you guys enjoy!
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@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Check out the Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join the Discord channel: discord.gg/drNE6bT Hey guys. In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the F14 Tomcat fighting 2 MiG31 Foxhounds. And I finally figured out how to defeat the R37 missile. Hope you guys enjoy!

@stevensutton2252 5 ай бұрын

Hahaha that is called a low yo-yo. 14.42 to beat r37 .you can do that also gaining altitude and it's called high yo-yo. try this with the Phoenix missile. don't slave the missile. fire Dum then turn on missile in-flight. it's part of tws radar the secondary scan. the missile will fly with a flat trajectory. another maneuver. s turning .sounds exactly what it is doing an s towards your opponent you could even make it a barrel roll. A little more difficult dodging then the high or low yo-yo what can combine both

@jackpatterson8389 5 ай бұрын

cool insight to the process Longshot. thx!😁

@Greg-yu4ij 5 ай бұрын

One of the best videos from either GS or you. I was wondering what geometry could defeat missiles. Corkscrew maneuver is brilliant

@craigkelly7121 5 ай бұрын

I can picture Longshot at the pearly gates and St Peter going through the Tacview as to why he is there 😂

@deathsheadknight2137 5 ай бұрын

LOL

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@deathsheadknight2137 5 ай бұрын

@@jerryatrick6127 Nah man jester ejected long before that

@mikek9297 5 ай бұрын

" St Peter going through the Tacview" What an idea for a YT channel !

@Gunni1972 3 ай бұрын

I think, he watches the Tac view because longshot is still maneuvering infront of the pearly gates. Peter needs to know WHEN EXACTLY he has to open the gates.

@javieriniguez1444 5 ай бұрын

That was one of the most informative, and exciting videos I've seen. I especially appreciate the analysis. The F-110 powered F-14 was definitely the best pure naval fighter built. To defeat multiple R-37M shots is no small accomplishment Just imagine if there were 2 Tomcats! Spectacular fight. Keep 'em coming!

@johngayder9249 5 ай бұрын

Possibly the best dcs video I have ever seen! Thank you for taking us along through your thought process. AWESOME!

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much

@bricktopperheadon5490 5 ай бұрын

Agree 👍

@chapanation856 5 ай бұрын

I second that agreement! :-)

@debbiestimac5175 5 ай бұрын

That jet still can't turn. Foxhounds and Foxbats are straight line monsters, but are stainless steel bricks in the end.

@paulstork2866 5 ай бұрын

Foxbat: I go fast. Anything else? Foxbat: I go really fast.

@Archer89201 5 ай бұрын

They were designed to climb fast shoot and then out run the missiles shot at them, Foxhounds also could act as a mini AWACs to guide the shorter ranged tactical fighters like MiG-29s and MiG-23s

@johnnyberman4768 5 ай бұрын

Fox bats were famous for being designed as long range interceptors, and they had a famous rivalry with the Blackbird.

@Noscrap909 5 ай бұрын

@@johnnyberman4768 if you consider being defeated every time a rivalry.

@doc7000 5 ай бұрын

The MIG-25 and MIG-31 were designed for the interceptor role, the last US plane to be purely designed for the interceptor role was the F-106. The US airforce has used F-4, F-15, F-16, F-22, and F-35 (I believe some interceptor squadrons are using F-35s) for the interceptor role since the F-106 left service. The MIG-25 was a rush job for high speed and high altitude interception of the XB-70 which ended up never going into service, the MIG-31 was a much improved plane.

@Thunder-ov9kh 5 ай бұрын

Kudos for showing the failures and work you put into it! So much more respect than just showing the last engagement.

@Hunter-zp5hd 5 ай бұрын

When you guys do these Tac Views, it really improves the usefulness of these videos. I realize that one goal is simply entertainment, but the goal of this video, is to illustrate improving your performance. I’d like to see more of this.

@chapanation856 5 ай бұрын

Yeah let's get back to using tact views a little more often like the old days when you were flying on GS channel! You learned quick and got a good sense of humor. Love your channel bro

@lonl123 5 ай бұрын

Love this video, would have loved to see one more attempt with the data you collected from the last fight. Hour long video would be awesome. One of the best videos from you I have seen. Thank You!

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thank you. I'll use this tactic often now, that was a lot of flying that day... had to call it off at some point😁

@rdodgehemi 5 ай бұрын

Love the tac views

@bmanrockwell2174 5 ай бұрын

I would like to see a part 2 too!

@Ashkan-vx7sp 5 ай бұрын

That was pure anxiety

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

LOL😂

@gtdcoder 5 ай бұрын

Great job. I have been telling GS to do those kinds of missile defensive maneuvers in his videos. It's better than always diving away and trying to stay out of the MAR. You want to make the missiles pull lead and bleed their energy in more than one direction. And you maintain your altitude and ability to go back on offense quicker.

@timsullivan4566 5 ай бұрын

I know that, in another comment on this vid, I teased you a bit about the use of TacView, but tbh I am VERY impressed with how effectively you made use of it to dramatically adjust and improve your tactics . I was leaning and cringing and ducking all the way - an incredible ride!!! Kudos, LS! 👋👋👋

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@RagsDCS 5 ай бұрын

Hey long shot, That's exactly what that maneuver is called is a corkscrew. If you notice, they are not like 9x thrust vector. The design of that missile is as such. When it gets with in certain parameters, the motor shuts down to slow it down so it can predict the interception. Similar to Phoenix but we shut ours down a little further out. Changing your AOA of your nose authority. That's what they're tracking and trying to predict. Where are you going to be? Even though they don't give the Phoenix the distance that it really has, at least they have given it. It's proper auto shutdown within parameters to continue to have a high probability of the intercept. The Russian missiles they bring it into so close by the time it shut down. Just a little nose authority just like you're doing. Says it all. Loved it brother!👊😎 AWESOME ! Keep them coming 🫠

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Cool. Thank you

@tuunaes 5 ай бұрын

Once ignited, solid propellant rocket motors can't be shut down and will keep burning (at rate determined by temperature/pressure) until there's no propellant left. Solid propellant is literally like big chunk of slowly burning explosive. You need liquid propellants, or hybrid motor (with usually oxidizer as liquid) to be able to shut down motor and either would be by itself significant extra complexity.

@RagsDCS 5 ай бұрын

@@tuunaes I can't speak for Russia but the Phoenix missile is designed to get an altitude advance approximately 80k than it will shut off or run out either like you said fuel ie of any kind. Or proxy to the interception. Watching it in real life a couple times and watching it on DCS. The range seems to have little effect. The r27 from 20 mi closure or a 60 mi closure it shuts down late at almost impact so it does not have enough time to adjust for the maneuvers. As the Phoenix and what you say, may very well may be true and I will go along with that for the reasons of the climb and design of the Phoenix. So when it comes down even at terminal velocity, It has plenty of time for the intercept. All I did was describe what I seen between the 2 different types of long shots. BVRs. I thank you though very much. It does make sense but if that was the case the Russian rocket will still be burning at 20 mi and run out of fuel ie any kind. From a further shop. That's my point. Every time it gets to within a certain distance, it shuts down every time. This is where I came up with the theory of the Russian missile having a proxy fuse on it. It knows how close it is to the target. I really appreciate it. It does give me a little better aspect of Russian missiles. And it very well. May be the same for the Phoenix, but there's a reason why we want it to go high is so it has all the time in the world even at terminal velocity when they think that they have out maneuvered it even at 200 knots boom. 👊😎 Appreciate it 🕊️

@forzaelite1248 5 ай бұрын

It's funny, I was just thinking earlier today that it might be possible to dodge missiles differently if you could see them coming with something like the distributed aperture system and then you went and posted this. It looks like a good way to defend while higher or faster to recommit with more energy, awesome vid

@jedi9577 5 ай бұрын

That's a cool way to use the very high speed of the R-37 against it. It makes sense though. Being very fast generally means having a huge turn circle. It doesn't matter how much energy the missile has if it can't turn tight enough to make the intercept.

@RaderizDorret 5 ай бұрын

That's actually a known weakness of the Phoenix as well: at extended range, it can't turn hard enough to chase fighters all that well because it is also hypersonic for a good part of its flight profile (the AIM-54C hits Mach 5 while the A and B variants hit about 4.6). Missiles like that are meant to hit slow-movers like bombers, AWACS, tankers, etc and not fighters. What Longshot is doing here is not unlike how Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, and Joe Frazier would get inside the reach of their opponents: highly evasive and erratic movement to make the other guy miss.

@rextherunt3135 5 ай бұрын

A rare example of a worthwhile video against AI. Well done.

@Edwilliamjr 5 ай бұрын

This video is awesome, love it. The TacView helps a lot to understand and improve the next fights.

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Fl-Pride 5 ай бұрын

I love how you said “a few more times” in the beginning and you kept getting smoked lol. Way to keep at it, it was actually really entertaining and educational.

@Dusther210 5 ай бұрын

You had this! I really liked the long format with going back and forth to tacview and applying what you learned from it I would love another video where you get back in the tomcat and give it another go

@chapanation856 5 ай бұрын

Good job figuring out that move. It was interesting to watch. I'm glad you made it a long video. I noticed GS tried to dodge Mig- 31 hypersonics recently. He rolled the credits before defeating any of them. The cork screw you use is similar to the one GS used a long time ago when you were back seat with him in a Tomcat dodging Sam missiles in the GS short clip collection. You guys are hilarious! Thanks for the years of entertainment and education!

@anthonydennis4834 5 ай бұрын

Love it! So cool to seeing missile dodging! Loved the tact view too!

@cambellschunky704 5 ай бұрын

One of LS's best videos. Seeing the discovery process and fine tuning a new tactic is exceptional content.

@jetblast1212 5 ай бұрын

Great analysis and development of a counter maneuver. I think it is customary to name an aerial maneuver after the person that developed it; shall we call it the "LongShot"? As an example: "That missle was heading straight for me, but I pulled a LongShot and defeated it."

@timsullivan4566 5 ай бұрын

Ngl, was laughing my head off during the "Getting Owned By R-37s" montage!😆😆😆 (But, well done figuring them out... eventually! 😉)

@potatonamedtate6727 5 ай бұрын

Love that TacView breakdown! Great to watch!

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@AmanSeereekissoon 5 ай бұрын

Great video Longshot!. It's great that you included Tacview. Awaiting the next one on this journey.

@TehCheezMan 5 ай бұрын

Ayo love the 3rd person and bandit camera/views Longshot. Really adds a lot to the video as you can see both your actions/reactions and the bandits movements.

@davidlerch4423 5 ай бұрын

Great video! liked to see how you worked out each step in the process. One of your best yet!

@thegreenmamba100 5 ай бұрын

Loved the long video, and taking us along on your learning journey; thank you!

@jeffreybruce400 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for putting all the hard work in on this one. That probably took a long time to put together and I learned a lot.

@drakkon_sol 4 ай бұрын

Longshot, this was a really good video. Taking this journey of analysis and discovery was fun. Hearing the excitement in your voice was a treat.

@slowbird 5 ай бұрын

Wow. From 20:00 to 25:00 was easily the most exciting and nail biting DCS vids I've seen so far. Love the Vid. Keep up the good work.

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@lilletrille8998 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video, I will have to try this myselfe! Thanks for sharing Longshot!

@SledgeFox 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting to see what the missiles do, thank you very much!

@bobbyshaftoe 5 ай бұрын

This is the FIRST Tac View that I have actually enjoyed watching.. on any channel. Great vid

@truthseeker9454 5 ай бұрын

Great video and Tacview analysis, LongShot! I've now seen GS use your newly developed tactic successfully as well. The synergy between you guys is priceless. Now I submit it's time. Time for... Two Morons vs. Two Foxhounds! C'mon! I want to hear you guys laughing as you splash those Cold War rocket-bricks! 😁

@SSJ4Brohan 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the upload LS! Always look forward to them!

@WarrensAdventures 5 ай бұрын

I was rooting so hard for you that last flight out, stellar flying my dude

@revengefullobster4524 5 ай бұрын

That was a good one. Love the tac view debrief. Keep it up sir!

@JBSmoke1 5 ай бұрын

Longshot, the Artful Dodger. Helluva an effort, man, and GREAT video!

@bradfordfulfer7308 5 ай бұрын

Great vid. Trying to maintain effective guidance for your own weapons while keeping your speed up and maneuvering inside the MAR to defeat incoming weapons; what a dance!

@TurboHappyCar 5 ай бұрын

Great video! I really enjoyed the problem solving process. We'll get those dam Migs eventually. 😂👍

@icaleinns6233 5 ай бұрын

Love the learning moments. Very good stuff to know!

@chain2001 5 ай бұрын

Longshot…. That was awesome analogy…. Thank you… 🙏🏽

@stevenborgogna 5 ай бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the Tacview. Thank you.

@firebald2915 5 ай бұрын

After watching fox2 fights, there were many times that the bandit would change trajectory and the missile would miss and not make the turn with the bandit. You are on to something here but 2v1 odds are hard to beat especially being flanked. The down and up and turn maneuver will work with timing consistent maneuvers. Plus shooting and keeping a radar track on your own missiles is quite a feat. Pressing and not going cold... You did very well Especially against hypersonic missiles ! This won't be the last time we'll be seeing this... I hope. Its fun, LongShot...

@robidius 5 ай бұрын

I remember Growling Sidewinder getting this match up and getting frustrated and quitting, lol. I'm glad to see you figured it out. I'm only 4 minutes in but I applaud the conviction already.

@aztec0112 3 ай бұрын

Very mindful of the '80's movie "Red Flag" where the protagonist spends a significant portion of the movie trying to break down and test a panicked defensive maneuver for the good of all airmen.

@davegrenier1160 4 ай бұрын

Hey Longshot! Great video. Check with GS about that lofting problem with the Phoenix. He was having the same problem and someone (a Tomcat pilot?) clued him into a setting for the missile that flattens its trajectory (lofting is the missile's default and has to be shut off). You might check the missile settings and be able to figure out which one it is that must be changed/disabled.

@manjisaipoe517 5 ай бұрын

Happy Thanksgiving LS, thank you for the entertainment. Peace.😊

@jeremyortiz2927 5 ай бұрын

Well done and I was a combat mission planner in the USAF for 20 years.

@PitterPatter20 3 ай бұрын

Imagine how exhausted that F-14 pilot would be after pulling all those maneuvers, and how much water weight he lost from sweating bullets the whole time lol

@abbaerfani9007 5 ай бұрын

Great video by you long shot and Iranian F14 in one dogfight take the 11.5 G but 18 point of aircraft was crack out but survived. Thanks again 😊

@CoolCarVideo 5 ай бұрын

Dude, you are a strategic genius

@ingoos 5 ай бұрын

Nice analysis. Best video yet.

@FeldMonster 5 ай бұрын

Awesome video. I can't wait for the next one where you defeat both MIG-31s and fly home unscathed in yoir F-14.

@Shogun1982 5 ай бұрын

Edge of my seat, man. Good job.👍🏾

@matthewthomas9112 5 ай бұрын

That alone would of made a great movie. Highly enjoyed your thought process in creating a move to survive while maintaining lock. Now a name is in order.

@simonebanana 5 ай бұрын

Future generations of pilots:"how do you outmanoeuvre an r37?" The instructor:"you carrie out what we call a longshot corkscrew".

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

LMAO🤣 thats funny. Nice play on words

@simonebanana 5 ай бұрын

😀

@lilsmoot4488 5 ай бұрын

Love the intro format would love to see more of it

@guilhermevitorio273 5 ай бұрын

I kinda wanna see GS redo this engagement again with the knowledge you shared on this video

@SliceofLife7777 5 ай бұрын

Way to analyze the past tactics, and evolve. You're a smart tactician Long! No wonder Growl and you are friends. I like how you can explain this in layman's terms. Supersonic chess. ❤

@joshuaschoeller1475 5 ай бұрын

nice edit, really dragged me into the action

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@joshuaschoeller1475 5 ай бұрын

caught myself yelling, pull up!, at the screen@@LongShotChannel

@heretolevitateme 5 ай бұрын

TIL "Do a barrel roll!" actually works.

@tuvidao2011 3 ай бұрын

The MiG 31 was an incredibly fast beast, with powerful engines and a powerful radar, it was used for intercepting strategic bombers as well as intercepting stratospheric ballistic missiles. With its speed, it is more than capable of chasing the SR-71 or B-2 Spirit.

@Wolfe351 5 ай бұрын

great use of the 54c with the lofting shot!!

@davidpalmer4184 5 ай бұрын

Hi GS, very informative video! The F-14 was originally rated at 7.5G but was reduced to 6.5g to extend the life of the planes. But since when do fighter pilots fly below the limits?

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Not GS

@davidpalmer4184 5 ай бұрын

I am so sorry mate. I subscribe to both channels.

@OperatorPuski 5 ай бұрын

Good video. Try putting your wings in Bomb mode so you can maintain speed with the sweep back.

@mbarnlund 5 ай бұрын

Well done sir 🤠🤙

@jollyharris1857 5 ай бұрын

VF-142 Ghostriders, first F-14 I ever saw was from 142. Great Tactics views, appreciate the tactics breakdown.......

@alxavier3795 5 ай бұрын

Interesting technique! Great fight!!

@codychild2665 5 ай бұрын

Another great video!

@unknownuser069 5 ай бұрын

Imagine an F-14F or F-14G ... something as new as the MIG-31. An AESA of some sort, and AMRAAM to replace Sparrows.... maybe some F119 or F135 engines ... Maybe some "AIM-54E"... just an AIM-54 but with the seekers from AIM-120 C7 or D1 I think an updated F-14 could readily win 1v2 against something like MIG-31. It won't happen now of course - but it was a huge mistake to retire the Tomcat when they did. Now ... I'm gonna go watch GS's new Fleet Defender video ...

@ohctascooby2 5 ай бұрын

Remember that when you change direction right,left or up its bleeding energy from the missile. Diving lets it gain energy. If you hold these off vectors momentarily it will cause the high speed missiles to go in that direction exponentially due to the speed difference.

@icin4d 5 ай бұрын

15:20 "Spiral thing, like a corkscrew." That's a Barrel Roll. Where the axis of the roll is some distance off your wing. Also inducing some adverse yaw (the nose pointing outward).

@LongShotChannel 5 ай бұрын

Its not a barrel roll. But you are so sure... so maybe it is

@icin4d 5 ай бұрын

@@LongShotChannel Um, ok. 🤣 That's what your description illustrates - a roll in a spiral shape. Are you seeing something else in this movement?

@daisukekazumi2399 5 ай бұрын

Hey Longshot, we do that a lot in warthunder, even with fox 1 very very close range missiles, we do a loop circle to have the lead lag a little so the missile can't hit us

@J7Handle 5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I noticed he beat an R-77 with that maneuver too. Use the fact that the missiles have limited kinetic energy while your jet has plenty to spare and make the missiles run out of speed by forcing them to maintain high gs constantly.

@MartinRybacki 5 ай бұрын

I loved this one !! Very interesting !!

@swedishbones8937 5 ай бұрын

This was nerve wrecking!

@8NP4iN 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video special the tatical analysis

@MagentaFerret 5 ай бұрын

meanwhile in war thunder: every single one of your phoenixes goes dumb.

@Robert53area 5 ай бұрын

On paper this is a good match up 2 high speed interceptors going heads up. The advantage for the f14 in closer combat can be negated by the longer range radar of the mig 31 and higher climb rate.

@istvanbarta 5 ай бұрын

OMG, I did something similar in Eurofighter2000 (DOS game) back in days... I was able to do it maybe twice, but literally saw the missile that cannot turn with me, I didn't try again, but you show it's a possible maneuver. The main problem is maintaining high speed while doing highly speed-consuming maneuvers, that need precise balance, any cannot sustain against multiple missiles.

@Cobra-King3 5 ай бұрын

BTW Longshot, I tested this out(your tactic) against other Fox-3 Missiles, from the PL's of China, the R-77&37, the 120C, Pheonix and the Meteor The results netted a faster closure rate, faster recommit times, a lower T.o.T, and a harder profile to dodge, it just requires speed, alot of it(Edit: Its at the 15km ranges where it works, don't try it any further, ideally) Also, try the same fight in the Eagle-C, you'll keep your speed better, and I'd rather have better speed retention than Missile range, or the J-11, where you get both(Edit: or the Typhoon)

@2011dgk 5 ай бұрын

Great video. Just had to mention I saw the Tom cat hit 14 g during the evasive moves. Bent frame on that one.

@Eis_ 5 ай бұрын

At least the Flight Chief still has SOMETHING to yell at. Lol.

@ohctascooby2 5 ай бұрын

It looks like big high speed stepped corkscrews are enough to defeat their missles. But the closer you get the less you have a step (pause) in the corkscrew rotation because a pause equals a predictable flightpath. You want a predictable flightpath away from the enemy aircraft when at a distance but a non-predictable flightpath when close to their missiles.

@EhsanVahidinia 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video. Do this tactics with a viper please!

@tomas7158 5 ай бұрын

This was interesting and spicy. The gutsiest move i ever seen. Great

@longiron3773 5 ай бұрын

Your loft shots are great but the second shots that are inside 20nm you need the have the ACM switch up/open to disable the loft logic on the Phoenix.

@algotler 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting process - thanks. What eventually worked for you is the same maneuver that was adopted by Israeli pilots for missile evasion in Yom Kippur war - a barrel roll. This was used by the pilots after consultation with mathematicians and aerospace engineers to create the biggest challenge to the leading algorithms of these missiles and it reduced the loss ratio from the beginning of the war towards the end.

@TurboHappyCar 5 ай бұрын

Engineers: Fly toward the launching aircraft (and missile) in a corkscrew pattern pattern. Pilots: YGBSM 😂

@peterlovett5841 5 ай бұрын

I am reminded that the tactic that you used resembled the corkscrew manoeuver used by RAF Bomber Command pilots in WW2 when a Luftwaffe night fighter was detected.

@MrEsPlace 5 ай бұрын

Good job, Short Toss

@darrylsmith7871 5 ай бұрын

Greatest thing since the Thatch Weave.

@dreaminknight 5 ай бұрын

So finally, doing Maverick things saves you!

@woodwind314 5 ай бұрын

As to load limits: The a/c likely can take it (with damage sustained?), but I see little chance for the pilot to take in excess of 9 G. "Even" 9 G is too much for most pilots.