I Found Where The Oil Went... Mysterious 318 Failure Solved

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Dead Dodge Garage

Dead Dodge Garage

Жыл бұрын

Personally, I think six out of eight cylinders pulling oil and crankcase vapors through the head gaskets is probably not good. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. The crank in this 318 Dodge truck engine broke in half, which was definitely caused by a complete lack of lubrication. The question was, where did that lubrication go? My findings here seem to solve the mystery. Look forward to more updates as I put this 1975 Dodge W100 back together coming soon.

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@stewarth8390
@stewarth8390 12 күн бұрын
Good diagnosis Jamie and then add the growth and shrinkage rates of everything getting hot and cold, the poor engine didn’t stand a chance.
@staceyrenner5418
@staceyrenner5418 Жыл бұрын
Great Ceasar's ghost, I can only imagine the cloud of smoke behind that thing when it still ran.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
What’s weird is I drove it to olympia weeks before I sold it and really don’t notice any. I don’t know what to think of that.
@MrPFFlyer
@MrPFFlyer Жыл бұрын
If you lived closer to where I live, I'd just give you my done 318 dream short block and hand you your choice of heads to go on it (swirl port, etc etc etc). Why? because you give us so much fun entertainment and you seem like a pretty good person...now, don't let us down by proving elsewise LOL.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
That’s a lot of pressure 🤣 I’ll do my best! Much appreciated. I do have a small pile of small blocks myself though.
@tonyb3864
@tonyb3864 Жыл бұрын
How could somebody not notice the intake manifold was not seated properly? I do not get it.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Remarkably easy actually… been there, done that. It’s close enough that the bolt holes line up so it’s possible to tighten them down and send it.
@bulta209
@bulta209 Жыл бұрын
@@DeadDodgeGarage oil leak out of the back of manifold should have been huge.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
@@bulta209 it wasn’t
@noahknowhow318
@noahknowhow318 Жыл бұрын
Good diagnosis Jamie! Very rad indeed.
@NathansMoparGarage
@NathansMoparGarage Жыл бұрын
That engine was cursed with bad assembly.
@gasser66
@gasser66 Жыл бұрын
My 3rd favorite door stop 😂
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Glad someone likes that 🤣
@HowardJrFord
@HowardJrFord Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't scrap the block , there is someone out there that can use it . And I would never scrap any useable LA heads , because they will be needed when all of the magnum heads are cracked .
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
New Magnum heads are everywhere online so I wouldn’t worry. But I am using the heads for the new engine. I have had four other 318s that aren’t ruined listed for sale for the last two years here with no takers. If someone needs a block or three I’ve got them covered without this one.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Жыл бұрын
Fair analysis IMO, it's hard to say exactly but obviously important assembly details were overlooked. The damage to the intake china wall flanges (based on what I could see) wouldn't stop me from reusing it. ;)
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Me neither 😁 the crack halfway up the back isn’t exactly ideal but I’m not throwing it away. Just not sure it’s worth saving for a future build as I had planned originally. I’ll probably just throw it back on the truck… some time…
@michaelnault5905
@michaelnault5905 Жыл бұрын
What I can't figure out is how stuff I might have had my hands on, made it so far away :-)
@skorner5798
@skorner5798 Жыл бұрын
My suspicion with the head gasket damage would be pinging / detonation , possibly exasperated by excess oil in the intake charge from a poorly sealing intake gasket . I would highly doubt that a spindly piece of alloy like that intake would have much effect on a big chunk of cast iron like that head in regards to distorting the head enough to cause a sealing issue between the head & block !
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
It seems unlikely, and yet…
@skorner5798
@skorner5798 Жыл бұрын
Confirmation may be found in the bottom end in regards to mashed out big end bearings or maybe even cracked piston ring lands . I have seen similar sorts of damage a few times before ( been doing head gaskets as part of my profession since the 1970's ) and it has always been eventually been tracked down to pinging ( long term ) . On alloy headed motors the gasket tends to blow out so fast that the pinging on the long term does not get a chance to do serious damage to the lower end , but with a big sturdy cast iron head it can go on for along time before something dramatic lets go . If memory serves me then if cranking compression is say 150 PSI then running compression will be about 1500 PSI , during pinging I think that number about triples - so 4500 PSI and I think during detonation ( pinging's big brother ) it goes up about 10 times again all though I can not remember if that is 10 times the normal combustion pressure or 10 times the pinging pressure , in any case the head bolts deflect momentarily ( stretch ) and once this goes on long enough eventually if something does not grenade in the reciprocating assembly then the head gasket gives out ! I hope that serves as some sort of explanation to my theory ! @@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
@@skorner5798 very interesting. I should have looked more closely at all of these components for science before I let the remains of the engine sit outside in the weather for a few months... I will say, the rod bearings that I looked at really didn't show any crazy wear or evidence of damage. A couple of the main bearings had been hot and were starting to spin, but even they didn't look all that bad. It's strange. What I saw really seemed to indicate a somewhat sudden, complete lack of oil - to me, anyway.
@johneven318
@johneven318 Жыл бұрын
Id bet a lot of money that crack don't hurt nothing if you use it
@72442conv
@72442conv Жыл бұрын
I just learned something. I do not recall those dowel pins being in my 340's back in the 80s/90's. I would imagine that the 340's also had them. Maybe there were removed by previous owners. Good thing to know and look for.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
I believe 340s must have had them too? But their removal is definitely an important part of any intake swap, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 340 that still had a factory intake.
@72442conv
@72442conv Жыл бұрын
@@DeadDodgeGarage I do have a 72 Duster 340 with the factory intake, Thermoquad carb, heads, manifolds etc... but I have never removed the intake as it is a good running engine. Eventually I will have to refresh the heads and I will see what I have there. Although I know this engine was rebuilt about 20 years ago, so who knows if they are still there. --- Just looked at some photos on eBay of the OEM 340 intake manifolds, and the manifolds do have the holes for the pins, so I would assume the 340's had them too.
@HowardJrFord
@HowardJrFord Жыл бұрын
Yes , 340's came from the factory with the pins . Someone probably switched intakes on yours and removed the pin .
@johnk5577
@johnk5577 Жыл бұрын
if the block didnt get damaged as in no cracks then sell it for 75 dollars core block, many people bore and stroke blocks anyway those core blocks are great for that, if i have one to get rid off because its worn out i sell it for 75 bucks, even in todays times old engines are already harder to come by and they seem to go up in price so why scrap it, make someone else happy, even if its 100 bucks it'll sell, scrap dont pay that much and no need for you to waist your time to load and unload and the drive to scrap yard
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
I don’t think it would sell for $50 here. It needs a line bore and the crank piece scraped the rear saddles, but that’s probably ignorable. If someone wants a block to build a stroker, there are five more complete engines in my storage unit. They have been listed for sale for two years…
@johnk5577
@johnk5577 Жыл бұрын
@@DeadDodgeGarage i guess america is easier to come across them old engines for dirt cheap then, canada 300 to 800 for a complete engine that might have ran when pulled but 9 out of 10 they need complete rebuilt and thats for ford dodge and gm blocks, like you said about your block with that damage only scrap yard would give you some money for it
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
@@johnk5577 Oh wow. Yeah - much, much easier. I could go find a run of the mill small block from any manufacture for a couple hundred bucks tomorrow. Obviously, special factory built performance engines are another story.
@googleusername5587
@googleusername5587 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I'm curious about any machining done to that intake. The hole drilled in the wrong spot. Makes me wondering if it had been milled to fit another set of heads possibly that had been heavily decked for compression. The torque spec difference between the intake and the heads really makes me think the head gaskets and bolts were already an issue. That intake shouldn't have enough umph to lift those heads. Well, without leaving massive rings around the intake bolts. I definitely don't disagree with your findings. Just seems like a perfect storm of odd problems to be possible. It made good content. Definitely won't find another video about these symptoms!
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
I agree. It’s odd. Those bolts only go… like 40 ft lbs? It doesn’t seem like it would be enough. I’m fairly sure the intake was brand new when it went on that engine. No machining.
@kenjohnson3641
@kenjohnson3641 Жыл бұрын
Makes a great yard ornament 😂😂
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Damn right!
@Ross046
@Ross046 Жыл бұрын
The moral of this story.....always keep a spare smallblock around?
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Or six!
@Ross046
@Ross046 Жыл бұрын
@@DeadDodgeGarage ready to run! To bad your 3000 miles away. I like that Clubcab.
@CHEAPROLLIN
@CHEAPROLLIN 18 сағат бұрын
Hmmm I wonder if this is my issue
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage 18 сағат бұрын
Well… maybe.
@josephwoodberry8708
@josephwoodberry8708 Жыл бұрын
What are you going to do with the intake?
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
I will either reuse it on the new engine in the truck, or save it for a future project. I’m not sure yet. What I was trying to say in the video was that I didn’t want it to go away on the truck, but after finding out it was cracked I didn’t care so much. Despite being cracked it’s absolutely still usable.
@johneven318
@johneven318 Жыл бұрын
You never scrap things you just shove them in a shed forever. You're doing it wrong
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
My storage unit is full of other, slightly less crappy 318s, and my shed is full of cedar, old carburetors, loose hardware and disappointment 😅
@OrrinCahoone-dd4tm
@OrrinCahoone-dd4tm Жыл бұрын
Had similar problem on a 360,1 and 3 blew gasket twice. Took to new machine shop head was machined wrong first time. Being in a boat and working hard killed those 2 pistons. Not fun.
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Ouch. Yeah… that’s not ideal. Much easier to rip apart multiple times in the truck.
@dantupper1784
@dantupper1784 Жыл бұрын
Many of the engine components fans of this channel are working with are approaching or well over half a century of hard, if not brutal use. I tear down engines with a torque wrench and a notepad, inexpensive caliper, dentists mirrors and a flashlight. I look at the fasteners- signs of bottoming out, overtorqued, etc. Most components check out fine, but I have had blocks where factory drills & taps broke and holes were not finished. Then there was the popular pastime of raising the compression by decking the block & heads-and the intake side of the heads too, not hacking on the intake manifold. I stamp data onto the parts I get machined or modified, like how many CC's the heads are machined to, what intake gasket matches the ports, recept # for the work- I don't expect to remember everything, but knowing where to look is helpful I have not seen a head gasket fail like that, and based on the evidence, very plausable. A borescope camera in that engine's valley while running would have seen flames!
@dantupper1784
@dantupper1784 Жыл бұрын
I think I see how it happened. Somebody really, really wanted to put that intake on that 318, come hell or high water. Didn't know to remove the china wall pins, they hang up the install, so they make an jnaccurate measurement and drill the intake. Got frustrated since they could only get on side or the other, not both. Solution?- loosen up the head bolts on one head, get your intake bolts started, then crank down the head you loosened, finish cranking down intake bolts. They got it done!
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
While that would definitely do it, I know who put the intake on. He definitely didn’t drill those holes or loosen the heads. Haha. He also says the bolts lined up ok and it tightened down no problem. Apparently he didn’t hear the cracking happen. I distinctly remember it on the one I learned this lesson with… right! The scorch marks should definitely mean flames. You are much more the scientist than I am, Dan. I do look things over, but my methods are a little more… lazy? Haha. I’m definitely not as thorough as I could be. I just don’t really have the patience. I fired up that 360 I built in the shed today, and it sounds awesome! So at least I’ve got that going for me.
@CHEAPROLLIN
@CHEAPROLLIN 18 сағат бұрын
​@@dantupper1784 hey Dan I was telling a truck with my Dodge Magnum 3.9 Ram van. It was laboring up the hill and all of a sudden it started misfiring bad but it went on up the hill I was able to drive it back. It would only misfire when I was coming I was able to drive it back. It would still get up to speed but when coming to a stop if at a red light too long it would start smoking and misfiring. The number 6 plug was soaked in oil I changed it. The coil wires and cap. It was giving me a IAC code so I replaced that. It would run without smoking for about 5 minutes. After that it produces a huge cloud of smoke and does not go away it's way too bad to drive and it smokes up the neighborhood. I'm wondering if it is a valve seal completely gone. I'm also thinking what if the cat was plugged and called back pressure on the engine and then it fills with oil burn. It had never leaked any coolant and was always full. But I was able to add about a half of gallon to the radiator and there was a little rust in there that I had never seen before. I also seen the exhaust doing a vacuum type deal where it was looking like a valve might have been stuck.... But I haven't seen it so that again. I flushed engine oil refilled with 10w40 and added some blue devil stop smoke. It hasn't made any difference yet but like I said I'm not really able to drive it or run it very long because of the amount of smoke that it produces. Any help would be appreciated
@Roosters_Restos
@Roosters_Restos Жыл бұрын
OK lots to take in here. First the head gaskets and head to block fit. I have seen these from the factory be machined wrong. The deck is now warped and needs to be decked. I would bet the heads are as well. Then when you get that done the intake fits fine. As for the intake Crack. It will be fine. More black stuff on that area. On here did the oil go. The intake sucked it out of the block much like a junk plenum gasket in a second gen. That makes a bunch of sense. As for the rinse and reuse on that block I would pitch it. As for the engine to go into that truck I say 383. So you have to change a bunch of stuff but it would be a beast. Or put a 318 back in and say bye.😢
@Roosters_Restos
@Roosters_Restos Жыл бұрын
Oh and as for burnt oil on the heads and valley it's from fire from the gaskets being blown. Remember fire is the devils only friend. Not inside your motor. 😅
@DeadDodgeGarage
@DeadDodgeGarage Жыл бұрын
Yeah I just don’t need the damn thing enough to warrant all that work… don’t have any big block bell housings around. The 318 was fine. Haha. Intake wasn’t pulling oil directly, those gaskets, while showing a weird witness mark, didn’t have any evidence of oil coming through. It was going from crankcase into six out of eight cylinders. All at the top. I have seen them not straight a good few times but it’s usually in the middle of the head. Having a hard time imagining that just machining could tip both heads up at the top.
@Roosters_Restos
@Roosters_Restos Жыл бұрын
@Dead Dodge Garage the factory machined the block wrong. So both sides are fuked. I have seen it several times on 318s and since they are forgiving motors they still had a long life. Also cast iron intakes are stronger and hold the motor together better. Aluminum flexes and moves a lot. Thus why you have to retorque them when you put them on. That motor is dead so let it rest in peace or pieces as it were.
@brianandglendaharkin9457
@brianandglendaharkin9457 Жыл бұрын
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