Thank you for the support ☺️

Haha yup! Definitely in my list of things to upgrade in future videos!

@@TechTalkwithSamir Look forward to see your video.

For sure! Definitely been brainstorming how I can clean up the closet. Can’t wait to share when I have things sorted out.

It’s definitely a great buy in my opinion!

Totally agree. The UDR also has a purpose!

Thank you so much for the encouragement! Really appreciate the support.

It was actually fairly seamless I did make backup and restore into the UDM-SE. I did not have to rebuild everything.

@@TechTalkwithSamir awesome thanks for the quick reply. I'm looking forward to it.

Thanks for checking out the video! You may want to get an UDM-SE instead. Lately ubiquiti has been neglecting software updates for the UDM-Pro so all their latest features are only coming to the UDM-SE

@@TechTalkwithSamir Just ordered the SE today... Eeek!

Awesome! I’m sure you won’t regret it!

You can totally disable the WIFI on the UDR but not directly as you have pointed out. What I do is create a WIFI network and then only assign it to the other AP's and leave the UDR unassigned which makes it think it doesn't have an SSID to broadcast so it doesn't. as far as I can tell.. This is a workaround I tested.

That’s actually not true. There was confusion about that initially. But the 8 ports are capable of 1 gig simultaneously.

Oh you mean splitting the WAN to the 8 ports. Yes your’re right. However this is no different than any other 8 port gigabit switch that doesn’t have a multi gig uplink to the router. From my perspective, I just see it as a gigabit switch with a gigabit uplink like many small switches. Of course on other switches you can mitigate by doing link aggregation but yes I see your point.

@@TechTalkwithSamir yes like any other 8 port gigabit switch without a multi gig upland, however this is not like a switch, it’s a router with a 2.5Gb port and 2x 10Gb ports. If you have 5Gb internet for example, and only use the 8 port switch, you are only going to be able to get 1Gb or 2.5Gb(higher rev) over the internet from it. When I had my work laptop, my Pc and my wife’s laptop all connected, when I was downloading at 1Gb it caused her teams call to drop, so it’s how I found out on this limitation. It was annoying, but also quickly resolved with more equipment, I do love the Ubiquiti and have got more of it to so the problem. I just wish it was more widely advertised.

Thanks for the suggestion. Will keep that in mind for future videos.

If you have congestion in the 2.4Ghz band, not sure if switching to UniFi will help that. Although in UniFi, you can fine tune the channels for each band but the 2.4Ghz is not very wide of a band so it will likely overlap with other 2.4 signals anyways.

@@TechTalkwithSamir I was thinking of reducing at least two channels used by the mesh nodes

Thank you for checking out the video!

Excellent point! Thanks for checking out the video.

The Pro also has 3.5Gbps throughput.

Ubiquiti Cloud Gateway Ultra is now out and has 1gbit with ids/ips

It sure does lol. Better networking, lighter wallet haha

UniFi actually doesn’t support OpenVPN natively. It only supports L2TP at the moment. But you can add a separate machine to enable open VPN (like perhaps a NAS that supports it).

@@TechTalkwithSamir I wouldn't say "at the moment" in regards to supporting anything other than L2TP. It doesn't appear there are plans to change this at any point on the UDM Pro or SE products and will most likely be a feature used to sell a new product in the future. With L2TP becoming less and less supported (Android and other products dropped support for it a year or so ago), the feature requests to Ubiquiti to enable support for anything else have been ignored since the release of the UDM Pro. While there are instructions from other users you can follow to go into the CLI and install wireguard etc to work around the limitation, if you aren't a more advanced user, or want to keep your system as default as possible, you'll have to live with being unable to VPN into your network via updated devices dropping support for L2TP. Also, throughput issues do occur on the UDM Pro even without threat management turned on as noted by many users. Some of this may be due to the backplane limitations, but there are large numbers of reports and test results on the forums and elsewhere showing the UDM Pro (may not be this way with the SE) performance causing significant speed reductions. Personally, after upgrading from a 500M to 1G connection, I saw no increase in any bandwidth to devices beyond upload. Bypassing the UDM Pro still maintained a 400M speed. Direct connect to the modem, I had 985M (yes WAN/Internet speeds etc were adjusted within UDM Pro and ports etc checked and configured). I had high hopes for my UDM Pro when I purchased it a few years ago and kept hope for quite a while. However, the fact there are still bugs that require switching to the legacy UI to fix a few years after the new UI, the throughput issues, and the inability to even update to standard VPN protocols for a prosumer router have left me more frustrated than impressed with Ubiquiti gear and is making me want to lift it all out. Thank you for the video Samir. You do a fantastic job (even when we don't agree) and I do want to compliment you on your presentation and video style. I enjoy watching and it's always a pleasure

Apparently the 1 gig limit is still there. For me personally it’s not an issue because I only have my APs connected to it and all my wifi devices are low bandwidth non critical. All my high bandwidth devices are actually connected to my 10 gig switch

Glad you found the video helpful. In my testing 600mbps is roughly the max with the UDR

They actually have a new model “UniFi Dream Router”. It’s similar in form factor to the dream machine. That’s the one I’m referring to.

The 24 port switch I have is the non-Poe version.

Yup. They have one SSID for both the 2.4 and 5ghz band. So it’s seamless to the users.

@@TechTalkwithSamir thanks!

What will you be connecting the Asus APs to? You have another 2.5G switch or something?

@TechTalk with Samir That is a dilemma, as you know ideally certainly for the future having the Asus et12 connected by 2.5 GB is beneficial. It is unclear if aggregation has been implemented on the udm pro and I will need to test this later. As both sfp+ ports are at present used one for wan the other for the Nas it is problematic. The choice if aggregation is not available is potentially setting the Synology nas network ports x 2 to aggregation but I am not sure if this will cause a bottleneck e.g use the unused nas ports for aggregation, it is also potentially an issue as the nas is set to use a wan vpn and admit I am not sure if the udm dhcp lan will be forward the local connections without trying. Other than this I am limited to 1gb 1 port on the udm and would need a switch and watched your unfi sfp+ review, but this is as you know more money and expense, especially as a sfp+ to cat 6 u it will be required and I have no real use for the other ports at present. It is an interesting issue. For other's info the standard 1gb ports on the udm pro and I assume the newer model are all 1gb and not as many think 1gb ÷ 8. Thanks for the question and interest.

Keep in mind even if you can aggregate the ports on the UDM pro and SE, the backplane of those ports is still 1Gb. Similar to having a gigabit switch with a gigabit uplink. So even if you aggregate, it will still only have 1Gb to the internet (combined).

@TechTalk with Samir Many thanks, after a lot of testing I am going to add a zyxel unmanaged switch, this helps keep the cost down and has 2 sfp+ and 2x 2.5gb with additional 1 GB ports. I can at least then get my present 1.13gb Internet and if ever upgraded this will allow for some extra bandwidth without adding even more expense a compromise solution as the microtek unit is not available in my region and few units seem to have sfp+ and 2.5gb ports, hopefully, this improves for people in the future. For anyone interested the Asus et12 duel unit was problematic and crashed in wifi 6 backhaul, possibly due to other equipment I have, 5gz backhaul was better, and wired backhaul was a pig to get the second unit working but a reset and reconfigure again solved the issues. In conclusion, if money allows this is one incredible router or access point and the coverage and speed are really good and half the price of the orbi 6e unit. I hope this helps someone.

is there a thread to this issue?

I would like more information on this also

Great question. I just made a backup and restored it onto my UDM-SE

@@TechTalkwithSamir Oh okay I didn't know if it was that easy or not. All the videos I see are going from the UDM to the UDR but no one explains how to switch.

That’s usually how it works. They hook you into their ecosystem lol

That is a major difference. Especially after UniFi OS 3.0 update on the UDM SE

Yup you can absolutely do that!

I did the CCNA and CCNP many years ago during and just after college. This gear is for the most part as complex as the CISCO gear I trained on however it gives the illusion of it being accessible with its beautiful UIs. I agree with you, and I think people don’t realise just how much knowledge is required to work with the gear fully. But the beauty part is you can do a lot with the Unifi gear without knowing a lot, until something doesn’t work as expected and then you’re stuck.

Lol. Initially they didn’t allow you to change the WAN/LAN setting. I think they enabled it with a later update.

Thanks for checking out the video. I’ll keep that in mind for a future video!

Great idea. Kindly do. Support +1

I would love this video too as I’m about to set up my very first home network!

Now I have to make a video tutorial haha. Will be a new style of video for me but looking forward to it.

Very good point. Ubiquiti seems to have almost abandoned the UDM pro from software perspective. Which is a shame since the hardware is almost identical!

I don’t think you can do that without getting into a double NAT setup. I have however used a asus router as my router and added UniFi APs as my access point in the past.

@@TechTalkwithSamir thanks for the quick reply. I mean beyond the double nat issue (which I solved before by turning my isp modem into bridge only mode)... Have you tried hooking up a router/access point (Asus) in "access point" mode & the udm-se took it and it worked as an access point to the udm-se being the main router or brains.

I have not tried that. I no longer have my ASUS router but that would definitely be interesting. I highly doubt that it would behave seamlessly because the UniFi controller will likely not see it as an AP. All your Wifi configurations will likely need to be done through the Asus router.

@@TechTalkwithSamir thank you! You didn't touch on it much in your video but... The security part of the udm-se... Referring to the traffic monitoring part, not the video surveillance. Does it actually monitor and block malicious traffic? Or monitor your traffic continuously? They say something like 3.5gbps monitoring? Sounds theoretically to be better than my Asus for monitoring.

It has both intrusion detection and prevention. I have both enabled. So it can also block along with monitoring.

Since it’s not a layer 3 switch, “aggregation” term is misleading. I’m only using it as a 10 gig switch for connecting my NAS devices with my main workstation to have fast transfer speeds between the devices for the large amount of data I work with while working my my videos and photos.

Fair enough :) How much of that link have you managed to saturate? @@TechTalkwithSamir Im liking that you respond too mate, I think you did a good job on your video here too, have liked and subscribed ;-)

Thanks for the support! Typically depending on which devices I transfer between, I get between 400MB/s to 800MB/s. It’s most useful when I’m ingesting my footage/photos. Especially if I have to ingest from multiple memory cards one after another.

Lol I’m sure that matters for some people. As you can tell from my network closet, I’m not exactly going for the “looks” haha. But yes being able to tell negotiation speed would be helpful!

I wouldn’t recommend using the lan ports for high speed devices anyways. It has a 1 gig backplane. So all the lan ports combine to have a 1 gig uplink. For higher speed devices, I recommend getting a 2.5gig (or even 1 gig switch) with a 10Gig SFP+ uplink. For anyone with a semi-serious setup, they likely have all their high speed devices wired anyways (like myself) so for the wifi access points, powering off the ports on the UDM SE is more than sufficient for the low bandwidth devices.

I am not sure if you can do it without double NAT ing your network. Maybe someone else in the comments can answer that. I personally haven’t tried that.

Yup you sure can from the controller.

Totally agree.

It has failover. I don’t believe it has load balancing. I haven’t explored dual lan setups personally for my setup.

You sure can!

For sure. Except that I’ll have to run the wires first. My house didn’t come pre-wired… had to run all cables myself :(

@@TechTalkwithSamir we believe on you you can do it :))) also will be more content for the tech channel :)

Haha. That’s true!

The UDM-SE will work for sure! If you’re looking for the UDR, you might be at the limits if you turn on intrusion detection and prevention.

@@TechTalkwithSamir Thanks for the quick reply ! So to future proof go for the UDM-SE ? Thanks

Definitely going to be more powerful. But if you don’t need the power over Ethernet ports, go with the UDM-Pro.

@@TechTalkwithSamir Thank you ! I went for the UDM-SE all started ok, Internet quality was perfect. But I now got a notification off packet loss detected and high latency detected ! Have you come across this ? Thanks

I have come across that but that was when my ISP was having issues. It fixed itself after AT&T got their stuff straightened.

However on Mikrotik RB5009 I get 1.6G and 1G if firewall is enabled. But can get same speed with UDM-SE

I’m actually working on a video with some benchmarks but in summary I have a “1gig” connection and with threat management off, I get around 1250Mbps and with threat management completely enabled, I get around 900Mbps. So definitely some drop off.

Yea. It definitely feels underpowered!

Ya, it’s just a little to underpowered.

Have a UDR set up for my moms house with an extra wired UAP lite on the other end of the house. Being able to easily remotely manage it and have a easy deployment with room to expand the LAN. She only has a 300mb connection so it’s perfect. I’m using pfsense on a dedicated SFF pc. But if I wasn’t/if I had to do it again and go with full UniFi I’d easily go with a UDM SE. I was under the impression it couldn’t do 10g wan.

The UDR is perfect for that type of scenario!

This seems weird, it is usually reported that it the typical max throughput is about 800Mbps. Do you have any other applications running in the UDR?

Haha! I’ll keep that in mind for future videos.

NO, the UDR doesn't have a touchscreen

@@gutwallst6645 Yes it does, you can swipe it to show different things.

Lol I wouldn’t rule it out!

Why pfSense. Do you mind recommending a hardware for it?

Yup. UDR is definitely underpowered for anyone with gigabit internet.

@@TechTalkwithSamir I got it for $79 in EA so I have zero complaints.

Oh man. At $79 it’s a no brainer. Even at $200 it’s a great deal compared to everything else in their lineup.

Still undecided at the moment. In case I need to do tests in the future for any firmware updates.

For sure! For most people it’s not practical for home use.

Lol not sure about next video but I’m sure eventually that will be a video 😂

Lol it’s basically a walk in closet for clothes and stuff that also happens to house my networking gear in one corner.

​@@TechTalkwithSamirI take it you're not married. lol

Haha! Lets just say my wife doesn’t always approve of my usage of closet space.

There’s definitely room for improvement.

What did you switch it out for?

@@kelvindiaz8409 I switched to a Fujitsu FUTRO S930 Thin Client with MCX4121A-ACAT Mellanox ConnectX-4 Lx 25GbE SFP28 and Mikrotik Routeros.

@@markusmaeder1388 Do you mind describing your network? From ISP tp WAN to Access point

You’re right! I should have mentioned the software differences. Ubiquiti definitely has more incentive trying to sell the UDM-SE

I use an NVR that has POE ports.

So you’re saying I have room to improve? 😂. Stay tuned for a future video where I clean things up 😊

you havent seen my closet and the mess my wiring guys left me. I sent a photo to 2 installers and they said no thanks.

Yes 600 is roughly the max. I ended up upgrading my internet so I was able to test on my end as well.

Yea. I have that same issue within my network closet. I need to do a project to clean that up lol