Meanwhile OCG is starting to centralize around Sinful Spoils decks which can play Bonfire. Lo and behold, they made it a $70+ card in TCG. People not being able to afford FIRE support cards will surely make the format stay diverse!!! (Konami, probably)

Rarity Collection is not a normal OCG set. Even people in the OCG call Rarity Collection one of the wildest sets ever printed.

I am referring to the set we got. Cards printed in multiple rarities. This is the norm in ocg sets. The idea that the only way to move product is by making the good cards hard to pull so people have to open a ton of packs is an outdated business model. If wanted was printed in super, ultra and secret it would not be a $120 card

The rarity collection killed off the secondary market thoo. They sold a lot on the short term but criticaly damaged the collectors demographic, and most people here in the west don' t really have a collectors mindset like with pokemon or MTG because of a variety of reasons. The issue is: -Card get printed in a lot of rarities, shops gain from individual product but everything else fails, players are happy but shop loses money -Card get printed in less rarities, shops gain from the product being sold more for chase card, players are unhappy because of rarities being bullshit. There' s nothing you can do here unless radicaly modifying the game at its core, but at that point, it' s not really the yugioh landscape anymore, and you risk alienating everyone.

If the price of the diabellstar engine were even $100 instead of $500 i don't see how that isn't good for the game. Sorry but you are never going to convince me that these predatory practices konami does are actually good for the game.

Because the game isn't the problem. You players are. 😅😅😅😅 and they have no problem not making this game for Y'all. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@@CardGamesTV1 how exactly are the players the problem?

@Binzob you just proved my point. The fact you're asking instead of knowing they are the real problems in this community. Shows you are part of the problem. And you blame konami for what players choose to do. Smh. No accountability

@@CardGamesTV1 ah the classic don't actually answer the question.

@SpectreShadow13 The community can be shit but this video was about was the problems with the game, which are either not at all or minimally influenced by the players. Also not really sure how autistic people ruin the community?

You never need to. To play the game. And to sin. You just suck at the game. So you buy cards to compensate for your lack of skill. 😅

In high school we just printed all the cards we wanted on uniform pieces of paper and put them in card sleeves why can’t people do that to circumvent paying thousands?

@deathmetalcakefarts2751 facts. Especially if you are playing for fun. And not a tournament

i opend god knows how many tins at this point. The only Bystial card i pulled so far is lubellion. I thought a gigantic reprint set with 300+ cards, tripple the size of a main set, wasnt going to have "extrem" short prints. Konami proved me wrong.

😅😅😅😅 he's a nobody

No we won't

The company could be going under, and they would still not change because of how much money they would lose if they did.

Wasn't everyone just in a pickle about how product isn't selling? Do you have any idea how much AGOV sold? Their rarity gouging is a direct response to stores losing money on Yugioh product. There is no in between here, either Yugioh sets are cheap as hell and stores lose or they have high rarities for good cards, stores win and players lose. If everyone complains about the high rarities then its just going to go right back to the issue we were just having with stores not selling product lol Because why buy product when all the cards in need are are low rarity? (Cyberstorm Access) Rarity Collection also does not seem like a good counter-argument because that set sacrificed 90% of good cards values to be that good. They have to build up cards in need to do something like that again. I wish there was a way to satisfy everyone but I don't see it.

@@yoastertoaster8306 the middle ground is the real OCG model. Rarity Collection is slightly off model for even the OCG. You can have cards in multiple rarities but not every rarity. Take Spright Blue for example. In OCG it came out in Super Rare, Secret and Prismatic. Players could get affordable copies and the whales got get their extra shiny stuff. It reduces the nerd for reprint sets and gives more time between product releases. There's so much product in a short space of time, it's fatiguing financially for players let alone stores.

​@@yoastertoaster8306Alright, here are some examples of games I know that do a similar "every card has a low rarity" practice. Please tell me if you can find any substantial data that suggests local card shops lose money consistently with them. Pokemon, Weiss Schwarz, and the fucking OCG. I think Weiss and Pokemon alone show that a card game can have fairly cheap decks with cheap cards and super high rarity cards to chase and still be successful. Things like full arts, Gold Stamps, etc. give the whales something to hunt and keep a local store happy. But players themselves also benefit from lower prices, and the local stores can host bigger and better events too. If anyone can find a way to keep the game accessible and profitable, it's Konami. There's enough brilliant people at the company to figure it out.

​@yoastertoaster8306 yes but when a set has 3 maybe 4 good cards in a set that is underwhelming it dosent fix the problem people aren't going to buy boxes of a set where your looking for a card that you only get 3 ultras of per box out of 11 from the set the Current ratios mean that if you buy a case of a set any higher rarity stuff you barely are able to get a player of when they did this with dragoon, crossout, and then last 2 deck builder set printed the best decks which are tier 2 at these all rare side sets have a horrific pull rate which make players stay well clear of the boxes and only buy the singles which cause sets aren't being open less stock is available making everything go up

I will copy an answer from a reddit thread, and I will link the source in case at the end of the answer, to explain why Konami can' t really change how they operate: The OCG is a wildly different market. It might as well be a different planet. There are a lot more casual players in JP who buy product there in part because YGO is a cultural phenomenon for them in the same manner that Pokemon is worldwide. YGO does not and has never had that sort of cultural reach in the west. The amount of money that can be made appealing to casual players and collectors in OCG is enough to actually support a product line for YGO there, something that isn't true in the West, where our competitively irrelevant sets like DUNE just bomb. Japan also has a significantly higher number of card shops per square mile. If you've ever visited there, you will noticed that there are dozens of them in every major city, compared to maybe 2-4 in comparable cities in the US. In Japan there are mixed zoning laws that allow people to open businesses in residential areas without a ton of paperwork, so you'll see many of these smaller card shops on the first floor of people's residences everywhere. This combined with the better public transit system makes it both easier for people to get into card games on a casual level, and for card shops to stay in business on lower margins. In the US this doesn't happen. LGSs are nearly always on dedicated commercial plots and that means monthly rent, utilities, and salaries for employees to man the place. The need for cash flow is greater, the rent isn't gong to pay itself. And for YGO specifically, the casuals and collectors DO NOT RELIABLY BUY MODERN SEALED PRODUCT. The only buyer demographic that actually pays the bills has been the competitive players, and historically that demographic has only cared about the lowest price copy of a card. A tiered rarity system isn't exactly going to make more money from them, and if anything it'll probably actually make less. A tiered rarity system would only work if there is a significant collector demographic chasing those higher rarity versions, and that demographic doesn't really exist in the TCG. In part because Konami can't be trusted to not screw them by double dipping on those cards with reprints. The Rarity Collection reprinted of a ton of existing Collector Rares this year and wiped out anybody who got the original versions of those cards. The collectors that actually spend enough money to be worth trying to appeal to aren't spending that money on modern sealed product, they're spending on that money chasing after actually rare cards on ebay or facebook. So I don't know how much of this still applies to Europe, but for the US the TL;DR -Japanese zoning laws makes opening card shops much easier and cheaper as it allows people to open them in residential areas, meaning margins can be lower. -Ease of access to card shops due to their density, location, and better public transit means both a wider casual audience for card games in general, as well as intense competition between games for that casual audience which is likely to be more price sensitive than a competitive crowd. -YGO is much more culturally relevant in the JP market, meaning there are a lot more people who will open product for non competitive cards. -YGO in the west is not culturally relevant enough to be able to survive off casual buyers like Pokemon can, and has reprint tendencies that effectively punish collectors for opening modern products. -The LGS commercial model at least in the US is very expensive to maintain due to the restrictions to using commercial land plots, high rental costs due to the square footage needed for play spaces, and the need for more employees since you can't run it out of the first floor of your residence. If a game cannot make enough money to be worth the shelf space, it will be dropped. -Being a casual player in the NA region is much less common due to significantly lower density of card stores and poor public transit, meaning longer travel distances which will deter many people. So higher operating costs and a smaller buyer base that has a higher % of competitive players that both can pay more *and* largely does not care what a card looks like, only that it's the cheapest version. Thus, rarity bumping is a natural consequence. www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/192ie8e/ocg_vs_tcg/kh33ce2/?context=3

Would mention that cyber slash lady gets reprint in battle of legends chapter 1, so it is not that bad. A for the OCG argument, sometimes i just want to drop tcg and play in japanese, don't even care about maxx c at this point, just make my deck for cheap. (even for out of meta decks it can get pricey depending on how you look at it, especially when they are from old sets)

The idea that "we must exploit tcg players" is a wild one to defend

Pretty sure if they can, they did something to the north American Master Duel servers. Asian players got 50 free packs on launch.

​@@laforestadeimillepugnali3865 Ehy its my tread! 😂🎉

Will still be one of the dino dinguses forever

WOW now that's a username i've seen a while ago, i used to be a french 3 axis degenerate if you Can remember ;)

BASED DEKATRON@@ManhwaResumes

the problem is that in any case if you work and have the possibility of 100/200 euros worth of cards a month you can also afford them, but if these "necessary cards" come out constantly and every month the situation becomes difficult and above all stressful, people already have a shitty life, he can also avoid getting bitter over a card game haha

One Piece has hot girls and cool dudes that transform into dinosaurs.

MtG player here and I'd argue hasbro is worse than Konami in terms on monetization. One piece, Digimon, and pokemon are much better

Flesh and Blood is pretty fun 😉

Mekklord! Hail to you duel links guru

​@@deltagodangelanother MTG player here and I agree. Don't get into Magic competitively, even on Arena. You'll be spending similar prices to YGO consistently.

Not buying products that aren't worth it is essentially boycotting Konami.

Why do you drop round 2. If you are not hyper competitive why dont you enjoy the game for what it is? I played mekk knights invoked went 1-3 and i was okay with it. Obviously if you play locals at a higher rate you might build more frustration but i actually had fighting chances in most games. I dont get it. Dont get me wrong i am frustrated at staples costing 100€+.

I enjoy yugioh for its competitive scene, I enjoy playing against good players and having intense matches, but what happened to me a lot was losing round 1 due to my opponent having the out, timeout or some other unnecessary thing happening. Obv the opponent will have the out sometimes, that's not what I'm complaining about - my problem is that after you lose round 1 as an even slightly above-average player, you might play against far worse players and easily outplaying people just isn't fun if you're trying to become a better player. Additionally, you won't get more than a single pack if you lose even once most of the time (at least at the locals where I live). Why even play a tournament then?

And you still had to pay 200€ for imsetty because the banlist said so

If this is your takeaway, you didn't listen to what I said in the video. It *is* the best banlist we've had in years, but it's not good enough. Limiting the floodgates when they should be banned is insane, and again the Air Lifter hit is a rather egregious example of bad banlist philosophy and set design coming to a head to juice players. It's not contradictory to say that it's one of the best lists we've ever had and also still be frustrated with the overall direction of R&D in yugioh!

This. Konami also realized this and now there are edison and GOAT at every ycs and regionals afaik. So we can still enjoy YGO at major events in form of retro formats.

I think you have to keep in mind to sell the cards at some point.. that is the only way to get out of the komonay cycle.. and yeah i know i also want to keep my loved cards but yeah Never forget that u can get money back from.your Investment in cards. BUT even my who sold cards wich i loved to use.. just lose interest bcs it takes freaking much time to look out when to sell my cards at a 'good" point... Its Frustrating

And I just want to say, way back when you were coaching me on Fluffal, I want to say thank you so much for helping me in what little way you could. I appreciate it, even if Konami had made the game too hostile for either of us to stick with it.

another important factor in the OCG model is the prices of the box, TCG boxes that actually have somewhat fair distribution for once (like DUNE) still cost an arm and a leg, which still perpetuates the "pull the chase card or loose all your money" issue. The fact that the TCG has been so intrenched in this lottery ticket investment mentality for so long is gonna cause pain when they try to change it but if they never do the "game" is just gonna be speculators on tcgplayer and not actual players and locals WILL cease to be a thing. I've seen 3 different younger players join our locals in the past year, make it thru the insane grind of even learning this game, only to just completely burn out and stop showing up when they realize the true cost of the game and are just gatekept out of playing anything higher tier than suship in competitive viability. Not to mention how many awful atrocious box openings when they do finally save up some money to open product for once.

​​@@frig7014Absolutely. The starlights/quarter centuries both aren't important enough or have pull rates good enough to soak up the whale money to allow us ethical rarities. I don't know what the solution is, tbh, but it was a good thing to try.

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Same.

Save up for the card and stop buying packs, the SP isn't getting reprinted until the mega tins later this year.

@@Tyler-Wiley we just need to be like the OCG and have all rarities of the cards we need to play the game. They even have commons of the staple cards in their sets. You could literally spend less than $50 for a meta deck in their game. We just need to boycott them until they start making TCG like the OCG. They are milking money out of Europe and North America, and people need to be woke. They would make a lot more sales if a lot more people played and bought their products. Even if they’re just pulling commons. Those common rarities are gonna sell for the staple cards.

Yup Master duel is just expensive in theory as paper and that is wrong. Sick of grinding for new cards with QoL that needs to be increased.

I disagree. I think reprints are great for the game. The problem is when the majority of value is held by meta-necessary cards. If value was instead held by collector items that would be way healthier. Price shouldn’t gatekeep players from playing the competitive game, but cards like starlights should still retain value