This is exactly why I kept a 3D TV around haha

Thing is... the problem for this TV is one that should've been solved years ago. The amount of local dimming zones should be at least doubled or tripled for a TV of this class and it's quite literally the only thing holding it back. I love my Z95F and it only has like 104 zones, but that was still an acceptable amount back when it came out. The colours still look amazingly lifelike. But I think that the 90 series still having less than 100 zones 5 years after the release of my TV is nothing less than completely unacceptable, especially with the increased sizes you can get the TV's with.

@@thenonexistingheroToo expensive for the manufacturers. It’s cheaper and more profitable to make OLED displays for people that don’t want any blooming. Lol.

This tv from 2013 : Sony kdl55w900a ? I have still this tv because it is still the BEST tv for SD and HD tv chanels !

@@gorogimre2 My sister had a Sony Trinitron 1080i flat screen CRT TV that worked for 20 years without a glitch, and when she finally exchanged it for an OLED it was still working PERFECTLY. I was sad to see it go (especially since it may have been taken to a landfill by the big box store that hauled it away when they delivered the new TV). Unfortunately, neither my sister nor I had a place to keep the Sony CRT.

I can't say they are amazing for having so much blooming. That's not how creators intended to see the content, with that insane amount of blooming and grey blacks. To get blacker blacks with very little blooming, you need Samsung/Hisense/TCL, but it will dim dowm the picture, but this way you get black as black. But Sony fanboys don't care about black levels, I knew that already. All Sony LCDs suffer from the same blooming, on all models, including top end X90, X95 or even Z series. Sony fanboys like this type of picture, that's why they buy LCDs from Sony.

@@doicenti9033 Agreed, blooming is not what creators intended and IMO more egregious than color luminance issues.

@@doicenti9033 wow, so much ignorance in such a small post. Well done.

@@doicenti9033 What are you talking about.

@@doicenti9033 I'll take blooming with a picture I can see over deep black crush with missing details. I remember attempting to watch Alien on a Samsung Q90T but because Samsung engineers decided to eliminate all blooming, they also decided that I didn't deserve any details at all.

@AP-hn8wd: Thanks!

i did the same. 75u8k exchanged for the 75X90L. i'm very happy with it. i would like to se your settings that you use. 😊

Everyone is so quick to get seduced and sucked in by the low prices on TV's from Vizio, TCL, Hisense and other low-cost brands. They don't realize that in the TV world, the old saying really IS true: "You get what you pay for!" Save your money and buy a SONY! You'll be SO glad you did. I'm sorry, but the reality here is that those second-tier, discount brands simply DO NOT perform as well as the Sony's do (as a matter of fact, they don't even come CLOSE) - and they typically last anywhere near as long either.

I tried a HIsense also. It wound up in a spare bedroom. I went back to Sony as i did for my other 2 tv's

"its color it's so beautiful. Ohh Wow!!" This was cringe but also funny 😂😂😂

Interesting I don’t know if I agree but here is my opinion, about this I have a 75u8k The picture is absolutely beautiful. I don’t see no uniformity issues and a professional calibrator so it’s all calibrated. Yes, I got the whole idea of maybe seeing what else might be a better option but it’s not as easy as that I went to the Best Buy I went and looked so many times the X 90 L obviously has more blooming for sure it’s not as deep the blocks are not as deep the colour is not as vibrant or punchy that’s for damn sure… Out of the box if you’re not gonna calibrate it, then yes, the Sony is better it is more accurate colors. It is a very clear, smooth image, because Sony does have better image processing, but that is the only deciding factor of why I was even considering to swap it and it was either going to be for the 90 L like you guys or the 93L which is a mini LED and has deeper even better colours and black level little bit brighter than more in my opinion it is the better, but it is more expensive than the 90l Sony has XR clear where are the 93L does not, but I think it makes up for it because it has a mini LED system and just performs better.. when I go to the store to compare a side-by-side the 93 compared to the 90l but for the price I think it’s a bit price but I think it’s better tv. It’s a tough decision to make. I’m in the same boat. Keep u8k 75 crazy amount of local dimming zones very good black level, extreme brightness, extreme color, and I obviously calibrated that as well and looks great. I don’t see no uniform issues. Maybe I got lucky maybe I didn’t but it looks pretty good. The panel I have which I already checked out. Blooming is pretty much not really exist on this. I don’t really see it at all that’s all it does such a great job at that. But if I’m really becoming picky and nitpicky, and I’m trying to find fault and that’s what I do because I have OCD nothing is usually good enough lol The only thing I can think about swapping to a Sony because they have better image processing and clear and scaling, low content, etc. etc but how much more ? Is it worth me to swap? U8k for x90l at the same size of course 75 inch.. ? Or swap my u8k 75 for 65 x93l which is the way I was thinking yes I lose a lot of size that part sucks but if it’s more refined and it’s got a better image and upscales better, I think I would choose the better quality image. Tough decision to make. I just don’t like Sony that doesn’t put a lot of zones in their TVs and this is why you see blooming besides that yes their picture looks amazing but I feel like the u8k offer so much especially with gaming whether you use it or not where the Sony is not clearly on the same level they’re pretty good but they’re not 144 refresh rated doesn’t have all the bells and whistles it doesn’t

i wish Linus would do a colab

@@parkplaceninja linus canada vincent u.k

@craighopkins4496: Thanks!

I just bought it from Best buy, it just arrived in Canada. Wow! it's so much more premium than the X90K. From picture, sound, design build quality improvement. It's the model with the biggest year over year jump in the lineup in my opinion, I speculate that not having a new 8K tv in the lineup freed up budget for other models. Feels closer to the X93L/X95K and L in terms of design that the X90K ever was.

How about the subtitles? Is that noticeable

Thank you Zohns family for inviting VT for your very very cool event

@@MM-Official I would be honored to have Vincent attend and to participate in our 2023 4K and 8K TV Shootout Evaluation event!!

@@valueelectronics9390 we already been honored by your generous hosting for that Tv holy event, thank you

That would make for a great video

I would watch every video related to this event.

Only 85 inches

@@8020Alive i want a 65 but giant sizes will do :-)

@8020Alive that's not true everywhere, here in the UK we get 65, 75 & 85 inch X95L

it has it's own issues like panel to panel syncing, power consumption, brightness, and so one. But, it still would've been cool to see it take off

This!

Yes

Most important qualities like black level/contrast are very depended on hardware specs.

@@user-oq4rm5ci9p Specs without control is a waste.

@@Krynale Exactly. 80 zones is a joke in terms of control

I’d say it’s pretty universally known that Sony leads the market in upscaling/AI. They may not be the brightest or have the most bells and whistles but they’re guaranteed to give a clean and accurate image.

When people take the time to sit down and actually do their homework, they find that about 95% of the time when you actually factor in ALL considerations, Sony is the best choice when it comes to TV's. The more you actually take the time to look into it, the more you are likely to find this to be the case.

@@michaelbeckerman7532 What an insulting and pretentious boast.

​@johnb4905 Not really. It only makes sense that the imagining tech juggernaut who literally makes the defacto grading monitors for the industry probably knows best how to appy that knowledge to their TV's per given price point better than the competition. Just because the layman hasn't a clue, that doesn't nullify the facts.

@@MaddJakd Oh, you're the arbiter of the facts. LOL. The industry uses Sony reference monitors but colorists also use LG and Panasonic OLED televisions. Sony relies on 3rd party panel and chip manufacturers. You can only take the correlation between their reference monitors and retail televisions so far. The bottom line is Sony is not necessary the best choice for some folks' preference and usage cases. The A95L is likely going to be the best TV for pure PQ this year but the Samsung S90C gives you almost the same performance for a much lower price.

@Usr2584: Thanks!

I wouldn't call the backlight scan setting a 'kind of smoothness' but otherwise agree 100%.

@@Keivz You're right, "smoothness" is more in line with what you get with interpolation, while any kind of strobe or flicker is better described as "clarity", like what we see most with CRTs and to a lesser extent with Plasmas.

I would say Crts still have the best motion handling especially for full screen shots

@@shivamarya5225 Yes CRTs remain the kings of motion clarity especially for 60Hz.

It should still have an effect on the motion resolution test result if it's effective. There used to be a time you could get 1080 lines just with the backlight scanning setting... Has minimal effect on my XH95 as well but setting it to 1 does help a little. 2 and higher are useless on it

u mean SD right?

@@isiheisenberg4784Yup, SD.

@@isiheisenberg4784 And 720p

Blooming is one of those things that on a test pattern, and when you're looking for it (in really specifc scenes), looks absolutely frightening, but in real-life viewing situations, fortunately, is a total non-issue. At least in my opinion.

Most people will not notice that or even know what blooming is or even think there's something wierd at all. Soo yeah.

X93L

Same here. Just bought this today. Hasn’t arrived yet. But also coming from a Vizio M series from 2017. lol Vizio having local dimming issues. Some areas have gone dark. I’m Ready for this Sony upgrade though!

​@@dishsoap1congratulations. any ghosting or trailing or judder in fast action scenes or games?

congratulations. any ghosting or trailing or judder in fast action scenes or games?

@@PcGamingForFun All VA panel based tvs are going to have ghosting. The panels can’t transition from light to dark and dark to light as quickly as IPS. Judder is not bad at all. If you want minimal ghosting you need to be looking at IPS but contrast won’t be as good.

@@PcGamingForFunI haven’t gamed much on it yet. But so far very happy with the improved image on movies.

Agree. They will do it for shure in near future

It's not the number of local dimming zones the tv has; it's what it does with them that counts

Not vrr...

there motion sucks!

@Wobbothe3rd that's not due to sony algorithm. That's due to mediatek chip that isn't sony. The new one will be great 😉. The one that comes out on the new models will do vrr fine.

No. It was long time ago...

@@user-oq4rm5ci9p long time ago? Why is it winning every year with shootouts and other events or show events? Sony always wins lol

The TCL C845 does a lot of things very well, but currently has a very annoying problem: the local dimming does not turn off 100% in situations that it should in order to get pure black, black bars are noticeable in movies (grayish, high luminance), it affects all sizes. Just to let all potential users know in advance. Lots of info on Spanish and French forums/channels.

@metamon2704: Thanks!

Would like to know this too. X95K is around 200 bux more than the X90L for a 75 inch here in Australia.

I'm in the same boat! Between these two! Anyone seen both? I can't see the x95k in a store near me but I did get to s the x90l

Fwiw I ended up getting x95k. After checking them out in store side by side, the x95k has inky blacks exactly like OLEDs with hardly any discernible blooming. The X90L on the other hand isn't nearly as good.

x95k is the same tv as x93l

I like my x90k too 👍🏻

How ist the blooming With subtitles for examples in Animes or Films?

@@Uncle_Titus my experience watching directly in front no problem at all with the blooming, the blacks is very deep, and the detail is great, but when your watching from very extreme angle then yes the blooming start to occur

@@felisianuskristianto6093 thx for your answer. I will buy the TV today

@@Uncle_Titus- So how is it Uncle?

Yea some tcl & hiensie tv reviews would be great

You can just buy high end from 2 years ago. If you are on a budget its stupid to go current gen.

@@teekanne15 sure, One could do that. I’d still appreciate content about things other than top shelf models. You’re free to disagree

@@Thecatdrums3 ya. He could do a budget display roundup 2-4 a year or something.

Another thing I’d like to see from our host, or simply some people here in the comments, is recommendations of display calibration specialists for people who don’t live in the UK. I’d appreciate some recommendations for the Pacific Northwest/Seattle USA for example :)

The TCL C845 does a lot of things very well, but currently has a very annoying problem: the local dimming does not turn off 100% in situations that it should in order to get pure black, black bars are noticeable in movies (grayish, high luminance), it affects all sizes. Just to let all potential users know in advance. Lots of info on Spanish and French forums/channels.

yeah it seem the blooming on subtitle is noticeable if we really stare on it but for some of us we just glance at it and back to focus on PQ. the suitable tv for subtitles watcher i think should be oled

​@@fendi2785Mini Led with lots of dimming zones works fine too. But these Sony TVs with so few dimming zones will never pull miracles regardless of how accurate they are

Use warm yellow subtitles, I find these to be the most legible with minimal bloom impact.

Nonsense. I owned a Sony X95J for about a week and the blooming was so bad, I would rather on the cheapest TV you can buy from Walmart. I don’t care how good the local dimming algorithm is when you put 60 zones on a 75 inch TV and 50% of the screen is affected by horrendous blooming the TV looks like garbage.

I was a defender of LCD for ages, took the plunge on the S95C OLED and my god do yourself a favour and don't wait, no matter the brand just go OLED lol

get a high dimming zone count hisense or TCL sony must have paid vincent for this review, it was hilarious when he complimented the movie scenes and the entire bottom half was covered in blooming lol

@documentthedrama8279: We're not paid by Sony for this review. As stated in the KZfaq description, the "Includes Paid Promotion" message refers to the sponsorship by Surfshark VPN. We're complimenting how Sony's local dimming algorithm maintains shadow detail and colour accuracy (using a £30k mastering monitor as reference), and explained/ showed that there would be more blooming as a consequence. We're always honest and transparent in our videos, constantly pointing out the pros and cons of every TV we review, so that potential buyers can make an informed decision.

@@jogo8261 I bought the X95J a year ago after informing myself here and finally watching all the TVs in the local store side by side for 2 hours. I was also shocked by the amount of blooming at home, but got accustomed to it and really dont wanna miss the realistic looking pictures anymore, which is the majority of watchtime. Coming from high fps gaming and not having a TV for over a decade, what also shocked me was the stuttering in moving scenes and realizing again that this must be the product of low fps movies (~24 fps as far as i know) and slow pixel reponse times. Since i do not yet trust OLEDs in regards of durability and my living room is really bright, while fixing both problems, this wasnt an option for me. Overall I am slightly dissapointed and it seems that there is simply no way to not have downsides when buying TVs today (yesterday). In the end, the high quality picture which i get more often than blooming and stuttering, leads me to wanna buy Sony again in the future. In my oppinion its a shame that Sony is seemingly the only one which still goes with some quality over quantity(time), despite the downsides like in this case, where others already had more dimming zones tackling the blooming problem a little faster.

The blooming is pretty bad on it but that's Sony for you

​@@michaelscott466No it isn't, in real content it's brilliant, it fails when showing Oled demos which are not something you see often in real content.

@@bign3ck When viewing HDR content, the letterbox bars become extremely bright at times. You can't deny this pal. Personally it doesn't even bother me because the TV does everything else so well.

What really harms the image is poor black level /blooming and contrast. it just kills any experience

Yeah, but they wouldn't need to worry too much about that If they stopped with bs of trying to force low dimming count TVs. Imagine this, but with 1000 zones or so? The weakness of the LCD panel will obviously be very visible if you have a low dimming count.

@@ThePipojpso I read a lot about dimming zone counts… a guy returns a tlc,with 485 dimming zones. Picture was horrible,bought a Sony with 80 zones and loves the PROCESSING of the image. Sometime less is best. IMO …

​​@@soyelmismo17 Less isn't better just because one TV have worse processing/software, what is bad is that TLC have underperforming processor and Sony have underwhelming dimzones. At very least have around 100-120. It would just be better overall.

@glbernini0: Are you referring to the [Adjust HDR] settings on the PS5?

U find the answer to this??

@@swardmusic In a video a few years ago for the XF90/XE93/XE90 he mentioned briefly that you can copy the settings for the then preset cinema pro to dolby vision, that according to his testing it worked well. He also mentioned that sony tvs do a good job of converting sdr calibrations to hdr. I transitioned from an XF90 to the X90L and wanted confirmation.

@@AJ-xc1lf me too. I have an x90l also and am playing with ny own calibrations with sdr

@@swardmusic I have calibrated my xf90 and now x90l by using the above assumption.

AGREED! Too many horror stories over at the BB, and AVS forum on the TCL and Hisense owner threads about premature total failures!