I Nearly Walked Off This Solar Job.

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When it ends up being one of those jobs you wished you'd never started! From Asbestos to birds this one nearly made me give up!
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00:00 Should Be Simple
02:55 Asbestos
04:32 Special Shoutout
07:01 Back To Lee
08:22 Grinder
10:07 What Next
12:33 Explain Yourself
14:42 Wrap Up
17:09 Back To The Loft
18:57 Connections
21:30 Final Finish
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@artisanelectrics 4 ай бұрын

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@mfx1 Жыл бұрын

As long as what you use to attach the the unistrut is MCS approved I can't see the issue, after all are the roof joists etc. that you would need to attach to MCS approved? No they're not. The unistrut is effectively an existing part of the house and it's clearly survived well, it's not even rusty. Seems to me that "MCS approval" is yet another industry body revenue generating scheme, it has no legal basis and it pretty much looks like you just replaced perfectly good steel strut with an almost identical aluminum replacement..

@black.phoenix. Жыл бұрын

Wayne looks to be a very energetic and bright personality guy. More of him please.

@sRadio-xg4yr Жыл бұрын

Agreed, a natural on camera :)

@Ben-gm9lo Жыл бұрын

Thumbs up for Wayne. Camera candy!

@notbadforasparky4791 Жыл бұрын

Early PV Panels were mounted on Uni-strut as standard. There simply wasn't any specific mounting systems available.

@travisbro Жыл бұрын

i can tell wayne knows his stuff, plus he makes the content better

@hughmarcus1 Жыл бұрын

I ran an asbestos company for 15 years. Wayne is doing everything by the book because he’s on video. Normally he’d nip up that ladder crack a couple of corners off the tiles & take a photo. All the white suit & mask stuff is technically required but in practice is seriously OTT. What that roof is, is fibre cement slates. The asbestos content would be between 5 & 8% & to quote the HSE the asbestos fibres are firmly bound within the material. Unless you start smashing the tiles with a hammer the risk is negligible. We used to provide safe systems of work for solar installers that allowed them to drill whatever holes were necessary on those roofs & ensure no debris was created. It’s actually not that difficult

@bullhurley-uv8ys Жыл бұрын

@@hughmarcus1 can I pick your brain? What's the risks/ your views on pulling old rewireable fuses with asbestos liners?

@Trenchfoot1 4 ай бұрын

@@hughmarcus1 Hugh, was your company UKAS accredited?

@hughmarcus1 4 ай бұрын

@@Trenchfoot1 No UKAS is only for the big boys. I looked into it, but it was going to cost £15k per year & economically unviable. The joke about UKAS is that the big boys subbed out the messy, dirty jobs to local companies like ours. 2 reasons, they didn't have staff with experience of messy demolition sites & they often had silly rules that said they didn't inspect anything more than 3 mtrs above ground level - not much use if you were demolishing anything more than a bungalow.

@Leebobs1983 Жыл бұрын

Get Wayne on more videos... what a legend

@nigelburton7408 Жыл бұрын

So lucky the customer was congenial. Unfortunately the thumbnail suggestion that you might 'walk off' a job means you have demoted into the same catagory as all the rest of the cowboys. If you under quote as your survey was crap, your fault and deal with it with lessons learned for next time😊

@martyndix2290 Жыл бұрын

We need more of Wayne! Get him out that office more often!! No disrespect to anyone else but he knows what he is doing and adds a new dimension to the content.

@steveeggleton876 Жыл бұрын

Pair of ladders works wonders when checking out roofs and doing surveys and quotes, lot cheaper and more professional than a mistake.

@shaynemacdonald3051 Жыл бұрын

Who ever did the survey should of been sacked.

@barrieshepherd7694 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a structural engineer but couldn't one have been found to assess if the old unistrut mounting system was "fit for purpose" and adequate for the new panels? To my uninitiated eye it certainly looked robust enough. A quick look shows that MCS Rules fundamentally require good practice & fit for purpose. If it was my property I would have been content with an engineers assessment and if that was positive I would not have had all that additional roof work done.

@thesteelrodent1796 10 ай бұрын

an engineer's assessment could be more costly than swapping the mounting system

@Deiphobuzz Жыл бұрын

That unistrut is just fine and was one if the first methods to mounts solarpanels. Looks like its all zinc coated? Why replace it with inferior aluminium..

@ua420 Жыл бұрын

That black skirt paddin looks cool but it should greatly reduce cooling (efficiency) of the pannels because of lack of air movement behind the pannels.

@shropshireladoutdoors743 Жыл бұрын

Save me saying it should use mesh

@Cheradanine Жыл бұрын

It doesnt make that much difference. I had my panels integrated flush into the roof. On the hottest day last year there wass about a 20% drop in generation, but on most days it is barely noticeable. A lot less than the hassle of pigeons nesting under the panels!

@pdavis2207 Жыл бұрын

I would not have insisted on replacing the unistrut unless the customer wanted to replace the existing roofing.

@markdauncey927 3 ай бұрын

I'd have gone with the unistrut for several reasons: It looked pretty solid for much the same wind load. It avoided messing with what might have been asbestos slates. It avoided replacing drilled through slates. It would have avoided increasing costs for your customer. The unistrut fixing through the slatrs should havebbeen picked up even during a cursory in loft inspection.

@st200ol Жыл бұрын

The old rails would have been fine compliant or not, but I guess you needed to make the bill up to 25k somehow. ;-)

@darrenjlobb Жыл бұрын

Your staff are a credit to you and your company Jordan. Always a good watch, thanks for taking the time.

@chrisgilbert9290 Жыл бұрын

Can’t believe you haven’t got a uni strut socket….😮

@JorgeAMG187 Жыл бұрын

More Videos of Wayne please

@NaydenSpirdonov 10 ай бұрын

There is a shading from the chimney probably putting some optimisers at leas on the shaded panels will be good.

@camperchris Жыл бұрын

Wayne was a natural, we need more of Wayne :)

@stefanovanenio 10 ай бұрын

Always, always, always carry out a roof survey. Most roofs are going to be OK, but a roof survey would have highlighted the bodge job and saved the uncomfortable conversation. I must say though, 99% of clients who have PV installed are really decent people, so it does make the chat a lot easier. Great job guys

@briandalrymple9986 Жыл бұрын

Man, you get it easy to instal and run the solar dc cabling. In NZ we have to run the DC cables inside a continuous solar rated pvc conduit when installed internally in the roof space/attic and internally within the house. This conduit is to be labelled “dc solar”, at regular intervals and is medium density walled. The electrical standards we use are predominantly ASNZS:5033 and ASNZS:4777 which are very specific to how things are undertaken due to the recognised issues and dangers involved in having uncontrolled dc voltages and currents from the panels to the inverter.

@buckshee Жыл бұрын

Our solar PV regs in the UK are still very minor compared to ac stuff. I watch these videos and sometimes I can pass a comment on stuff the guys could do better but also the flip side is I see things they do that I realise would be good to bring into my ways of carrying out what I do.

@briandalrymple9986 Жыл бұрын

@@buckshee I hear what you are saying for sure. In the electrical service there is room for continual improvement and, lotsa stuff that appears OTT too. I recon we only need two or three reps: 1- is it electrically safe, 2- will it kill anybody, 3- will it start a fire…. I am not intending to be critical by any stretch of the imagination. The wiring system that scares the whatsit out of me is the American 120volt system and needing to wire lighting in 1.5mm, and ranges capable of 60Amps.

@buckshee Жыл бұрын

@@briandalrymple9986 When it looked at the distribution boards they still use in the states it scares me, also their regs seem to come on a pamphlet and don’t get me started on wire nuts.

@feetachemail Жыл бұрын

You have no right to complain. A simple visual inspection would have shown you all of those problems before you even started the job.

@johncorbett1130 Жыл бұрын

Simple without any scaffold

@robevans8625 Жыл бұрын

@@johncorbett1130 or a ladder

@nikgray6635 Жыл бұрын

Live dc buried in the fabric of the building unprotected and unable to be isolated close to the source and the state of the roof after it was "repaired". If youre going into the solar game youve got a lot to learn especially if youre documenting it. Shambles.

@scottgordon1781 Жыл бұрын

So what exactly was wrong with the existing rails ?

@timbrooks2763 Жыл бұрын

Uni strut great tip, pop your claw hammer claw in the grove and a slight twist will allow your socket to drop on :)

@bigjd2k Жыл бұрын

The old fixings look totally over-engineered and bombproof and if not leaking, I'd just put the new panels on, after all it's been there for ages without any problems.

@gavjlewis Жыл бұрын

TBH I would have not even suggested removing the old panels. 2kW system to a 2.9kW system. 900w peak hardly seems worth it. Just replace the inverter with a hybrid inverter if the customer wants a battery system. If the customer wanted more solar then my first suggestion would be a couple of 455w panels on the garage roof @9:45.

@irqanonimous3278 Ай бұрын

You should seperate the dc leads by atleast 5 cm, you might get a arch that will persist untill the inverter.

@marymadigan9707 Жыл бұрын

Very nice and tidy workmanship guys I’m just in awe of the work ye carry out and all the fantastic knowledge ye have collage really paid off ye know your stuff 😎😎🇮🇪

@craiglaing2417 Жыл бұрын

Awesome job guys 😎👌 You truly are Artisans

@Tom-2221 Жыл бұрын

Tricky situation Jordan - on the one hand this stuff would have been quite hard to spot prior to putting up scaffolding. But on the other hand I can see how the customer might find this frustrating. I think you handled it well though, communication is key and if they were aware of the limitations of the estimate you gave then fair enough.

@ppdan 11 ай бұрын

20:34 It's to lengthen the arc and make sure it is extinguished when switching off. The resistance of an arc is proportional to its length so having 2 contacts in series is roughly like having one contact that opens twice as much. Actually in this case there are 3 contacts to lengthen the arc (one on the negative and 2 on the positive wire).

@waynenrich Жыл бұрын

Good job as always Jordan and team

@Jaxonmcguinness Жыл бұрын

Wayne looks to be a great addition to the team more please

@michaelorton6808 Жыл бұрын

excellent workmanship.

@NordenEngineering 6 ай бұрын

Galvanised unistrut was what was used in the early days on solar panels it will last years longer than the extruded aluminium rails your fitting but as you pointed out you had to use an approved product. I didnt like the drilling through the tiles although it was well supported underneath I couldn't see how it was water proof P.S. There are purpose built 17mm sockets made for unistrut.

@connordines667 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Great install! 😊

@shropshireladoutdoors743 Жыл бұрын

You think so

@johnfenlon458 Жыл бұрын

Wow, That's Amazing to change new solar panels and install safety protection etc. Great work! Thumbs up! Cheers!

@artisanelectrics Жыл бұрын

Thanks John!

@JustMeTalking Жыл бұрын

22:00 .... and a whacking big chimney stack casting shadow over them all...

@Trevor_Austin Жыл бұрын

If this system had an MCS certificate it would have been attracting the highest PV rates, 68p/kWh. Why forgo the generation and export tariff?

@andynoakes Жыл бұрын

100% - I think the inverter had packed up, so that would have been a cheap swap over and keep the extremely generous FIT rate.

@VinoVeritas_ Жыл бұрын

@@andynoakes What about replacing the panels? Had they packed up as well?

@VinoVeritas_ Жыл бұрын

Good call. The Feed In Tariff scheme rules allow the replacement of certain equipment, but not all of it on a willy nilly basis.

@HowardBurgess Жыл бұрын

This job doesn’t make much sense. In addition to losing the FIT payments, they’re only going from 10x200=2000W to 7x400=2800W. Even accounting for a slight degradation in performance over the years, seems a lot of expense (and waste) for an extra 800 watts.

@martinwhitaker5096 Жыл бұрын

Indeed... Maybe move the inverter when replacing it so it's no longer in the attic and everyone wins.

@sukhi17 Жыл бұрын

What a great video! Sad it ended! 😂 I wanted to see more!

@artisanelectrics Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@darren100880 Жыл бұрын

Wayne is awesome in front of the camera 👍

@TonyRule Жыл бұрын

8:34 Get better sockets - thin wall, like Koken. Also, you can just undo the nut behind the Unistrut on the threaded rod, spray a bit of WD-40 on the exposed thread on top, and the ones inside will spin off by hand.

@johncorbett1130 Жыл бұрын

Second load of panels and kit, ££££££ Bet he wished he had never gone for solar 😊

@AdrianChapmanlaw Жыл бұрын

can you do a video talking about pros and cons of the various inverter/battery manfs please! having a tough time making a decision! Especially on the subject of integration with things like home assistant

@SW-gu1wy 2 ай бұрын

That bird protection makes it all look a bit like a spaceship 😂. But seriously just wondering about the restriction of airflow under the panel with this type of bird protection. Will the panels get hotter than panels without this protection, or even with the mesh bird guard? Thanks. Great videos 😊

@ha4641 Жыл бұрын

Thanks to the vids. At what point are you required to install optimisers?

@Michael-xs5ef Жыл бұрын

Wayne's piece to camera - very lucid - more please !

@aarbee_ Жыл бұрын

waynes very popular eh 🤣 what a lad get him out the office more 😁

@awesomedee5421 Жыл бұрын

What is wrong with Unistrut for solar panel? That is exactly one of those things that those are made for. I've seen it at many installations

@haldo691 Жыл бұрын

I have 12 panels on my garage mounted on unistrut theyve been up nearly 3years and not escaped yet

@Nicolas-qb3yg Жыл бұрын

@@haldo691, you are not meeting the UK Solar Mafia rule : next step spend £1000s more

@haldo691 Жыл бұрын

@@Nicolas-qb3yg yeah MCS is just another cartel if you don't pay for their "protection" you cant sell in their town

@JCCarpentry Жыл бұрын

Wayne’s a legend

@MadMatty72 Жыл бұрын

Great job Wayne, what a pleasant chap. More Wayne I say.

@pwaelectricalltd29 Жыл бұрын

Great new content.

@waqasahmed939 Жыл бұрын

08:10 Tbf I think that's the same for a LOT of us end users. The way I see it I'm spending a few grand on the kit. I'd rather spend say a couple of hundred more on a proper job than pay less for a bad job, and then have to fix it anyway.

@SeanyyBoy_ Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see the Libby install mate! Hope you show all the connections. Are the Libby batteries AC coupled?

@connordines667 Жыл бұрын

Can be either

@stephenbaxter3369 Жыл бұрын

My sister just had a first time solar installation completed on her house. Apparently the preparation of documentation etc was quite taxing. Expecting that the payback period will be 1/2 that is was 18 months ago.

@adamnoon9059 Жыл бұрын

Great vid, would love to see more of Wayne on the tools!

@Deiphobuzz Жыл бұрын

Full suit up for a little sample of something that might contain a substance that might make you sick IF you start grinding and snorting it.. im all for safety but this is just getting out of control..

@producerdude Жыл бұрын

More Wayne please! He's a natural!

@RB-lt8kt Жыл бұрын

The DC cables are live when there is daylight even when cloudy not just sunshine. Nice to see proper scaffolding and safety barriers. Do the ladders need a side bar ? Harnesses ? what did the job cost ?

@freddiewithers9617 Жыл бұрын

Nice work! Who is the manufacturer of those bird protectors? Also would help wind deflection. They look really smart

@Cheradanine Жыл бұрын

It's no wonder Artisan prices are so high. There was no reason to remove those struts....all youve done is drive the costs for the home-owner though the literal roof.

@Pulpdiction1999 Жыл бұрын

The optics of this, I nearly walked off the job because it was a bit hard. Wouldn't be calling you, we've already established you're a top dollar company but a bit of agro and you're thinking of walking off. My solar installers turned up at 9am and it was fully commissioned by 2pm, 14 panels across 2 roofs, not sure why it takes you days to fit a few panels.

@electrician_25 Жыл бұрын

That's what companies that want millions of pounds do

@Jhongerage Жыл бұрын

Same here, except the weather was awful and the installers mate was off sick... So he showed up and did it single handed in the rain. All done before darkness set in, in October. There's a small premium I'd pay for slightly neater consumer unit wiring, but not 3 days labour worth.

@4addevelopments139 Жыл бұрын

I was watching the new Peter Pan and Wendy with the Nephews last night. Didn’t realise Ruben was also an actor and playing the main roll. :)

@randomcamerajunk6977 Жыл бұрын

Thumbs up for Warrens barnet.

@sdgelectronics Жыл бұрын

SPDs and associated connectors should be in a metal din rail enclosure, surely?

@UndercoverFerret404 Жыл бұрын

How much do you lose on encapsulating the panels like that? They'll get quite a bit hotter, when there isn't room for any airflow.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse Жыл бұрын

Its to prevent birds nesting underneath though I guess it could be done in stainless steel mess too.

@shropshireladoutdoors743 Жыл бұрын

Top tip don't get sparks to install solar pv just get a proper firm who know what they are doing me and my mate would have had the pannels of and new ones fitted in a day you don't need roofers just good pv fitters and and a good sparky

@bpomowe224 Жыл бұрын

Problem is that there's a panel boom, so lot of shoddy people out to make a quick buck. Hard to discern the bad apples.

@lewispearson Жыл бұрын

Whats the latest you guys have heard about the availability of the libbi? I'm hearing it keeps getting pushed back to address bugs.

@MarcusNailor Жыл бұрын

Wayne for the win! 🙌⚡

@shuhel02 Жыл бұрын

Siliconing the gap between the wall and trunking 👍

@TWMelvin1 Жыл бұрын

Do you think it's fair to charge the customer we for couple major issues missed when quoting - possible asbestos and rails not suitable. Should have been checked in advance imo

@CastleKnight7 Жыл бұрын

Do you think it’s fairer that the installer has to pay for these unforeseen major issues?

@Jay369 Жыл бұрын

Depends on how the conversations went really.

@nickbea3443 Жыл бұрын

@@CastleKnight7 I'm sure there was plenty enough Artisan margin to give away and keep the customer happy. Didn't anyone go into the loft to see the unistruts at quote time?

@markiansumaylo3532 8 ай бұрын

May i know what is the brand of suction cup lifter you use to lift the panels?

@MacdonaldEdinburghElectrical Жыл бұрын

What roof tiles are you using for passing the cables through ?

@oliverdransfield7304 Жыл бұрын

Where’s Oscar?? He used to be amazing, so energetic! Great job Jordan

@adzie3229 Жыл бұрын

Oscar was such a lovely lad 👍 💪🏼

@edc1569 Жыл бұрын

What on earth is wrong with unistrut! Are the roof trusses mcs approved

@simcax6087 Жыл бұрын

These small systems are so not worth it, especially with that British weather. This upgrade/replacement probably never gonna pay for itself.

@hammertime822 Жыл бұрын

what are the best magnetic impact drill bits?

@steviec1871 Жыл бұрын

I can’t believe anyone over 50 would live long enough to actually save money on electricity especially if these things need replacing every few years..great video though…

@theawfulgambler Жыл бұрын

My OCD would mean I’d need to pressure wash the other roof tiles first!

@maxusboostus Жыл бұрын

How old were the panels and inverter that ware removed?

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse Жыл бұрын

Nice neat install but do you not think by design the panels should have a local means of isolation on each panel be it even in the roof space ,so the cabling to the main panel is not always live when future work is done on the installation?

@artisanelectrics Жыл бұрын

Never heard of doing it that way

@edc1569 Жыл бұрын

Add dozens of extra points of failure and arcing, not a great plan.

@jensschroder8214 10 ай бұрын

you built a solar skirt around it, but how are the solar panels vented on the back?

@oninbridders Жыл бұрын

Another inverter packed up.

@OMGitzEDD Жыл бұрын

what's happened to the old panels ?im looking to do a little solar back up for my garage and i don't want to buy all new gear if it doesn't work

@Akz-xc1gu Жыл бұрын

Wayne is the new Corey 😂🎉

@ShortVersion1 Жыл бұрын

I would've loved to know the lifetime production figures from the old system! Regarding asbestos (professionals disregard haha), just play dumb and scrap the stuff. People act like asbestos is weapons-grade plutonium. It's nasty stuff, but they legit used to use it for EVERYTHING. There were asbestos union workers, who would handle it all day without masks for years after they knew how bad it was. Kent cigarettes used to have asbestos filters...lol. My point in saying this, is that if you're a pro, do your thing, if you're a DIY, just mask up as best you can and get that stuff ripped out and tossed. Asbestos demo is more akin to second-hand smoking for a weekend, not smoking two packs a day for twenty years. Importantly, the workers who did handle it as a career definitely had long and painful death spirals. (source: working on asbestosis and mesothelioma cases and renovating old house)

@rowifi Жыл бұрын

What was wrong with the original panels?

@sk83rboy00 Жыл бұрын

Did you fit optimisers for each panel? Just asking as the chimney looks like it creates a lot of shading and need to take into account your shading factor? Also no mechanical protection on the dc cables going through the roof into the loft?

@buckshee Жыл бұрын

I mentioned this to an MCS guy before and was told that as they are double insulated as long as they aren’t squashed on anything they are fine 🤷🏻‍♂️

@jeffreyumeh8580 5 ай бұрын

Honestly rather than absolotely having to get the solar cables terminated I would just use an MC4 connector even if it's a perminate instellation, because if anything goes wrong down the line between with solar cut off switch to the pannels you can still fix that without having to go on the roof and disconnecting the solar pannels unless the problem is on the roof, it's not like you don't have space in the trucking for MC4 connectors. Like ideally should you never be working with live +50v conductors, sure, but life is hardly ever ideal and MC4 connectors let you deal with none ideal reality in a fairly safe way. Yes you should if you are already up on the roof not connect / disconnect the conductors on the solar pannel side, but making it so it absolutely has to be done that way to be safe is in and of it's self a bit silly.

@neilpowell9312 Жыл бұрын

Do the DC cables and the AC cables not need to be run in seperate trunking? Either that or the 50x50 trunking you use here actually comes with an option to create 2 different compartments, therefore separating the cables as required?

@mitch123456789 Жыл бұрын

I like Wayne. More of Wayne please. Wayne Wayne Wayne

@ohgoaway3610 Жыл бұрын

Isn’t this a feed in tariff system? With a high FIT income and deemed export?

@barricade1205 Жыл бұрын

Please do a weekly show

@kingsbridge Жыл бұрын

Wayne is great. More Wayne

@Fritsvrolijk Жыл бұрын

Great video why not cleaning the roof .And are you not killing your panels with your Glass carrier ???? Thanks Regards from Holland

@artisanelectrics Жыл бұрын

We did get a window cleaner to visit and clean the panels before the scaffolding came down

@Fritsvrolijk Жыл бұрын

@@artisanelectrics Thanks for your answer, but I meant cleaning the roof tiles nicely And won't the solar panels break from using glass carriers???

@paulos9304 Жыл бұрын

Looking at the last 10 seconds of the video. The suns on the other side of the roof and your in total shade, didn't the owner want any pur on the other side.

@user-dh1cu2rf7h Жыл бұрын

Think you need to explain the difference to Lee in screw types@4,20 . He is clearly removing counter sunk screws he calls pan heads. Not good

@tankumaat Жыл бұрын

Waste of money and they know it!!!! So far north, in England and with chimney, insane. Where are side reflectors??? Spending twice as much for same or worse output is insane, pretty yes, rational no.