I think a pretty decent alternative for the whole upgrading system would be simply restricting the class of the car based on your car level. The intention was that people actually learn to drive a given car, instead of immediately maxing it out and driving all over the place. You can maintain a relative amount of freedom by giving players access to all the upgrades, however only once certain level thresholds are met can you convert a car to another class. Let's say you buy a B class car, that car has to be driven in B class until you hit level 10, at which point you can upgrade to A class. Then at level 20 or so you can jump to S1 class, and so on. Best of both worlds.

Omg not even 15 seconds in and we finally see more than 90° turning. Its not much more but its a lot better and immersive. The interior still feels lacking with the lighting and materials but i guess i can live with that. Overall, im glad its on gamepass day one, definitely not a game ill be purchasing unless it really blows me away. 6 was the last one i played religiously, I just wish they revolutionized a bit more in some areas like the car models.

You have no idea how much seeing that glorious, beautiful steering wheel turn, turn farther than it ever has before, perhaps even farther than mankind thought possible, perhaps even farther than classical physics would allow, made me feel. The arousal, the ecstasy, the tears. I remember the moment like it was just now. The feelings in my cold, dead heart, a pity such a moment lasted for only but a fleeting second.

I’m kinda happy about the shifting change. The power shifting has always been the fastest but it’s really unrealistic. When you press the clutch and shift in a more “realistic” way, the car sounds so much more smooth and satisfying.

Yes finally. Another reliable review about Motorsport. I’m really glad they let people review the game. It looks amazing. Their trailer videos honestly didn’t look that great to me, and it was having me worried

As someone who doesn't really care that much about graphics and is only really looking for a new simcade title to play on PC because i'm getting a little burnt out on just sandboxing on Assetto Corsa and AMS2, I'm pretty hyped about this.

Took them far to long to fix the steering wheel animation, disappointed it's not full 900 like just finish the rotation but something is better then nothing

Your suggestions about upgrades/leveling is brilliant. Turn 10's redux of car points is really stupid.

Phenomenal review (as always ;) ). One thing I want to comment on is it's truly upsetting they messed up the leveling system. They should have a system like to FM6 where you level up the brand, similar to what you said. After all, it's not a car that has to learn to drive, it's the driver. You don't lose your skill when entering a new car, especially if it's an identical model or extremely similar model. Ex: going from a C6 to a C7 Also, as you stated the forced upgrade path is absolutely horrendous, it makes no sense. Imagine being a prestige 2 level 193 and getting forced to only equip rear sway bars because your "car" is level 2 XD like what?

Thank you for this really in depth look into the preview and answering a lot of questions I had. This seems like it was a lot of work on your part. 😊

Honestly the best breakdown of the preview I've seen. I love the new improvements to the physics, braking, gamepad steering, and the wheel improvements when tweaked. The concerns you brought up are also valid as well, I'm hoping the default wheel settings are improved and the progressions is adjusted a bit to lessen the potential grind and increase flexibility.

What a great in dept video! This answered a lot of the questions that where left after watching the Forza montly´s. Great stuff

Love the detailed force feedback breakdown. Exactly what I was hoping to find from so many different videos

You've fed into all of my concerns regarding the car leveling and upgrade system. I can only hope that T10 chooses to change how this system works after release.

You might actually be the best KZfaqr, not just in Forza but in general. Always very insightful, considered, and constructive without clickbait and time wasting. I hope T10 pay attention to what you have to say.

Much obliged HokiHoshi for making this detailed review and your honesty.

Phenomenal review! Absolutely looking forward to the release with what you've covered. One thing I personally would like for Forza to add is a voiced race engineer to help with immersion. Nothing quite like a professional engineer telling you to push on the final lap to close the gap on someone that is 2 or so seconds ahead or warning you of someone catching you. So far, so good though! Thank you for that!

Fantastic preview. As a 1 year wheel driver on gt7 I am really looking forward to seeing how this performs playing and playing it. I see what you mean about the force feedback on the curbs. Hopefully it is either a car related issue or something that they will sort before the game is out.

Thank you for this review buddy. I trust your opinion more than almost anyone else who puts out content. Knowing how it was with a TX is awesome, and I look forward to playing it soon enough. Cheers!

This is an amazing preview. Was about to post mine and looking for a more advanced player. Just wanted to say I really appreciate the video.

I hope we get a "ground up" replay system.

Very detailed review, thanks. Also, someone has finally voiced my concern regarding the proximity/radar issue for cockpit drivers. Especially considering the new safety feature. This is my main concern at the moment

Gr8 analysis, really enjoyed the video. Excited for the game's launch.

Wheel support is the most important for me. I don't mind tweaking settings to get it right as long as it works well.

I really like your ideas for the progression system. The way it's currently set up is shockingly limited!

I really hope that the feedback and suggestions that you made for the upgrades are what the game launches with. It sounds SOO much better than what it has now.

Very nice in depht description Hoki. Enjoyed watching this one.

Best review I've seen today. Subscribed!

Turn 10 has been hard at work… …most excellent. Another quality review, and excellent discussions in all points; many thanks, as always. \m/, 😊 ,\m/

Forza monthly was disappointing, but your review has brought my hopes back up immediately. I'm glad to hear physics and wheel feeling are not terrible.

You earned my follow by doing that entry... literally the most needed update. Thank you sir.

this was such an insightful video! thank you for taking the time and sharing and giving honest feedback not just complaining but coming up with very good solutions that these devs should absolutely listen too !

Finally they fix it steering animation already in Forza Motorsport let’s go

Great video, I really liked your suggestions on the car upgrade system. That's the thing I'm really hoping will be improved as I'm not very happy with how limited and grindy the current system seems to be.

The best review so far. Congrats man, good job.

Great video thanks. You make some good points on the upgrades, I really suspect they'll have to address this but I'll be ok living with it for awhile. Rest sounds pretty great to me.

I really like your idea for car upgrading, keeping the bulk but removing restriction on which mods you choose.

I actually appreciate that you have shown Series S footage, still looks great so it makes me more excited to play on my Series X. The audio and physics is what im looking forward to the most thouogh.

your ideas about the car levelling system are the better ones i've heard ! that is interesting and doable in contrast of most of the other we hear everywhere

Great video and great review. You covered all my concerns with the game which had me feeling a bit skeptical about it, but not anymore! Problem now is I can't wait for release 😅 Hopefully Forza is back!

Very well done review. My only concern so far is multiple input device handling. With a "top tier" simrig featuring multiple devices from different brands it was way too much of a hassle to set up with previous Forza titles. I really hope it will be possible natively in this iteration. Otherwise I'll have to stick with my controller, which would be kinda sad.

Damn one big video 👀 The Steering Animation is such a weird thing and something I don't necessarily worry about much but it's so good to see it changed, looking at the older games now really makes the unnaturalness there pop. I'm overjoyed to hear the Physics is better now as well, FM7 just felt really stiff to me and that really sucked a lot of the fun out of it. Not necessarily more realistic or arcade but just uncomfortable to use. The Movement of the Cars especially is something I'm really glad to hear as well since that does so much to help the feel of actually driving a car instead of just a 3d model. Unfortunate about the Default Settings but hopefully they're changed for the release build as I've found a lot of newer wheel users are very uncomfortable when it comes to fiddling around with the multitude of options. I'm looking forward to seeing your Wheel Setup and Settings Overview video though because your FH4 and FH5 Versions are two of the resources I share and recommend to people the most when it comes to them thinking about buying and then using a wheel for Horizon (especially FH5). I'm so glad to see Proximity Markers in the Cockpit View as well, let's hope they also come to FH5 in a future update because they're essential for close racing imo and their absence is a crime. As you say a Radar is better but at this point I'm just glad Wheel Drivers aren't going to be completely blind in most cases, the physical Car Mirrors also looked quite good in terms of reflection but obviously FOV and Physical Placement in each car is going to massively limit their usefulness. I also really like the new UI as well, it's very visible and clean but not at all intrusive outside of maybe the Car Level Bar and XP in the top right. The Sector Times especially is quite nice to see for Practice and Qualifying, hopefully they're also in Rivals. Penalties are going to be a very interesting thing to follow, the adjustability is going to hopefully be it's saving point and make our lives so much easier for League Races. I wasn't expecting the new tuning systems either, I'm partially happy to see more options be implemented but also kinda intimidated as I'm still not that great at Suspension Tuning even in Horizon (mainly for S1/S2 and actual Race/Track Cars). I know you'll come out with some banging guides though and hopefully those bring my confidence back up. I also wonder what Meta options we'll see appearing this time and how the new settings affect those approaches. I'm also surprised you can import tunes from all the way back to FM5, very strange decision imo considering the upgrade and physics changes but it's nice to have if you want to tweak one of your old favourites without redoing it completely. I really dislike the new approach of the upgrade system though, I don't mind the Car Points but most stuff should definitely be available from the get-go. I can understand if it's stuff like unlocking a Street Exhaust then Sport and then Race as those provide incremental Power boosts but some of the base Handling and Adjustability stuff like Suspension, Diff, ARBs and even Transmission can make or break the enjoyment factor of the driving experience. I can definitely see some cars being terrible stock and then requiring a chunk of grinding to make them actually pleasant to drive and/or competitive. I think it's just going to suck a lot of potential entertainment from the Car Roster as people will just avoid the more unpleasant cars unless it turns out they're meta when everything is unlocked. Looking forward to seeing further development on the AI as well, from some of the Preview Stuff it sometimes looks like a scene from a Public S2 Lobby in Horizon lol

Such a good preview of the game thank you... Definity hyped for it now!

Best analysis dude, u rock. I have my hopes up, I really wish it lives up to the hype.

Man this looks amazing for just a series S

engine sound still has that Forza digital pitch in it.

An outstanding review / video as always. The game looks amazing. I am excited.

Great update mate, looking forward to this just so my friends can jump on my sim rig and have a go without constantly spinning out or spearing off track like what happens in the more hardcore sim games

The specific car leveling would make it much harder to race friends if everyone doesn't already have cars in each category or restriction already upgradeable. It would be better to have the category points as you mentioned, or the option to either spend credits or car points to buy an upgrade. If you spend credits, you should be able to upgrade any part you like whenever you like. Or you can level the car up and earn points for that car/category to spend on upgrades.

You are one of the few doing a solid review of steering wheel gameplay. Gets me worried being a wheel user

glad i found your video, i havent seen your videos before but this is the review i wanted and im sad to see my normal goto didnt review anywhere remotely as well as this. I shall sub as a thank you even though its not a lot. Thank you for going in so depth although i am sad that the wheel settings are still not where they need to be.

Great review. very detailed. Just what I was looking for. Just FYI Forza 7 had car specific wheel settings

I definitely think your view on how the leveling should work is an improvement

This video actually got me kind of excited for this game. I only really worry about the upgrades. Sure you can test one car and level it up then know what you want to buy when you buy another one for another class, but you still have to level it up. I liked your idea of leaving upgrades open and just limiting via points because then I can at least fix the issues with cars with my limited budget instead of just put more power in it.... or whatever they give you. I still wonder why they did away with the affinity system in the older motorsport games. That might be a good place to go back to, but who knows. Leveling up to get discounts from the manufacturer was a cool mechanic, and it's limiting.... while not being the end of the world.... As someone who doesn't have a ton of time to play the game, this new upgrade system is a pure pain point.... I hope they fix the curb thing too because I want to swap to wheel for this. Great video though, felt like I really got good insight from this one. I'm also super excited about the new tuning options! Suspension Geometry is going to be MASSIVE for balancing potential.... but it will also increase the tune gap though... should be interesting to see how it works!

Great video, hopefully the devs watch this video and fix the issues you listed, even if just through bug fixes or patches/changes after release, as long as the changes come and improve the experience it'd be great news.

I had to pause the video to comment on something.. first off this is the best video I’ve seen on this game the way it’s detailed and non-biased. I appreciate that.. secondly this game over the course of the last hour of watching videos on it looks like it’s going to be aimed at your typical arcade racer who want a sim feel type player. I don’t see where it comes close to GT7 in terms of competitive online racing just based off the physics themselves. GT7 has something similar to ACC with close proximity racing that just feels so good. Granted we didn’t see any online play to judge. However when I heard the sound of this game my mind completely turned around and I’m excited to play simply because of the sound and it immersion aspect this is the best sounding racing game I’ve ever heard and I’d challenge anyone to show me better. Amazing. Great video.

The leveling system right now is my main concern, I really hope they decide do modify it. By any chance, did they finally add spacers like in horizon?

The ffb when going over elevation changes could be fixed in an update as well. All the FFB critiques can be fixed in updates

Was nodding with your throughout the way regarding your suggestions for car upgrades. Whatever you said made total sense and i really hope they look into it.

I appreciate this preview/review it really changed my thoughts on this game. I see this game being pretty fun, frustrating but engaging and keep you playing longer due to the whole level up thing, which is the frustrating part. I was really wondering about the changing of the sounds when you make exhaust modifications. And too me the cars are still too glassy lookin like they are cover in this glassy shell they need to tone it down. But overall I think it will be worth buying and worth the time. I'm looking forward too it.

can always rely on you and supergt to give an honest, in-depth review of Forza! really hope that it feels a bit closer to a sim than an arcade

When you said "Curb" I thought you said "Carb" so for a second i was like "wtf? Carburetor physics?" lol

I really like how you go into details in reviewing this game. I am also that kind of person. I like to test stuff that average player would not even think about.

Very high quality review. Well done!!!

That leveling system sounds absolutely horrendous and extremely frustrating!

I think this looks pretty good for a series S.

Very complete preview! Congratulations!

You started the video with the most important topic, well done bro. At least 360, not 900, but I think I can live with that for now lol

19:00 when you are rear ending the other cars, I think the penaulty system is looking if you unsettled the car in front. That's why you smacked that mini, but since he kept going in a straight line, it didn't gave you a penaulty.

I agree with your take on the car leveling. With the amount of planned cars this game is going to have, it's really going to pigeonhole people into only playing with certain cars and avoiding new cars. I don't really mind the upgrading aspect, but like you said, changing it to more of a category level makes more sense. If the game was only going to have a limited amount of cars to choose from (like ACC for example), this leveling system would be fine as it would allow you time to fine tune and learn a new car. But in a game with >500 cars? Unbelievable.

This is the best and most unbiased review I've seen on the game yet. I don't care about all the GT7 comparisons since I'm not a console person anyway but I get where people are coming from. Just happy to have nice casual sim game on PC again that doesn't require a sim rig. Looking forward to this!

Great job!!! So much good info and very well put together. Hate to call out names but this video is 1000 times more informative than the Super GT video.

Your opinion om the car level system sounds way better than whats presented from turn10, how do we make them notice your idea? And ofcourse the proximity radar (top down view)

Very good review. A lot of great suggestions. Too bad turn10 won’t do anything to improve the game

Very nice and detailed preview! 👍👍👍 I love racing games arcade, sim-Cade or games which are more on the sim side. For some reason I never loved FM. I’m still looking forward to play it when it comes out.

Glad to hear the handling has improved. I hope the game is challenging though I never found it hard to drive any of the cars. Looking forward it final reviews.

I truly hope they improve the wheel experience

22:44 Oh man the upgrade system is so bad 😢. I totally agree with your improvements suggestions, specially the leveling up all cars with your player level. Player levels in forza were always useless for gameplay, give it a real reason to exist, and this solution would help.

Really good overview....the steering wheel turning thing was one of the first things i was wondering if they fixed too. Really good synopsis of the steering feel with a wheel. You should do a video on the best settings when you get it on PC

Great vid. might dust off my wheel now :) been years since i played a forza. love the car sounds

Do you think motorsport will be able to build a solid community and if there are problems where do you think the forza team needs to address first

I just cancelled my pre-order. Until they fix the upgrade and tuning system, it's not worth buying. I dont byu Forza, or GranTurismo to play stock cars. I want to struggle with upgrades on the first car i buy in the game, woth 0 credits, and thats it. Once, I build up credits, the enjoyment comea from racing and modifying the cars as i see fit. Not gronding so i can FINALLY upgrade to adjustable sway bars to cure the chronic understeer in my olf FWD Ford Focus. Its absurd. The only bond that the player will make with their car in this system, is one of hatred. My biggest problem with this system, is that it is going to encourage grind. And by nature, all racing games are a grind to some extent. But i dont want to have to drive the beginner cup races over and over again every time i buy a new car, in order to gain enough rep to upgrad, so i can have a different car with a different build for on-line lobies. And because there is no nuance to the upgrade sustem, this is just going to lead to all of the lower ties being driven by meta cars. Because certain cars reapond to certain mods better than others. So lower tier online play will just be a sea of whatever the meta car flavor of the month is. Its great they fixed all the things they did. But then not adding real time driver aid control??? So, i can tune the cars anti squat for all the down force my 10 year old Forza Aero wing will produce, but 5 variable levels of Traction control in race, nope...thats a bridge too far for this development team. Do better Turn10. This game will flop, because it will be unplayable for anyone that doesn't live in their mothers basement 24/7.

Love you’re feedback very in depth there’s no gt7 on pc so I hope this is a really close competitor.

Im looking forward to this, it seems like the perfect mix of casual with a dabble of seriousness to it. I do a lot of ACC and Raceroom league sim racing so im looking for that mid genre itch to be scratched. FH5 died real quick for me and im not so much in to the ND4SPD games these days, fingers crossed for this. Great video

Hoki! Hello! I have a question for you! Do you know if there's gonna be something like Horizon's playlist on this game? You see, I'm struggling to find a new job and I'm using the money I was saving for my Series X and Motorsport to survive while I find a new one, and i would like to know if there's stuff I´m gonna miss if i'm not htere since day one. Thank you in advance, you rock!

Good to see that every car is not popping fire out of its backside with downshifts. Literally the smallest road car would do this too in old Forza. Long live Gran Turismo. Their obscene attention to detail is more my preference

excellent review! 👍👍👌👌

Thanks for your initial thoughts. I agree with you on the whole upgrade system. Its dumb that parts on every car unlock with the same progression for every car. Imma wait to get this one.

I like the everything unlocked but using the specific car points idea, reminds me of like black ops two where you used your money to just unlocked the guns and attachments you wanted. And would still give you the “building something” kind of feeling which I like the idea of and watching you race you can see how fast the levels go. And being rewarded for things while racing looks pretty cool too

The speedometer is an OCD trigger

So great to see a real car enthusiasts review. U got a sub brother 👍👍

I think a pre racing tuning setup where you have a set amount of time would be an interesting form of skill expression. Plus it'll incentivise creativity and variation with builds on diff tracks

the steering wheel turning more than 90 degrees its a buy from me.

The upgrade system feels like it addresses a problem that never existed. It sucks, and I just want Turn-10 to go back to how it worked in Forza Motorsport 4.

Thank you for a great review. A few things I am wondering/confused about, apart from the ones you named, are: -FOV slider/seat adjustment option -fuel percentage being a bit confusing as opposed to knowing how many liters you got -no turbo gauge UI in the preview

Very interesting and insightful review! You covered everything you could and sis a great job in articulating your thoughts and giving us a very good idea of what to expect (more or less)! Well done! My question is, do you have extreme in car camera flexibility like in Assetto Corsa Competizione? This is one area I really disliked in GT7, as the amount of camera movement is very limited. I think racing games on this level should offer the player some serious amount of camera tweaking, as this can make in car racing soo much more enjoyable and not feel limited!

dang. I didn't realize we wouldn't be able to freely use the car points for upgrades. that kind of puts a damper on things :(

I feel like its a meme to the devs at this point to keep the forza wing the exact same every game

I agree with your idea with the car progression/driver level. Every 10 levels is a +1 car mastery level,ye... that's fantastic

@hokihoshi Love all of your videos. They in part inspired me to get my own channel going. Thanks for the time and effort you put in to making such quality videos! I'm looking forward to getting on Motorsport! I think my biggest concern is if gamepad is still going to be the optimal choice over a wheel and pedals. In forza 5 I just can't get even close to my lap times or even my drift scores with my wheel. I'm really hoping that this isnt the case here!