5:30 YES THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE TRAITOR TROMBONE! Darn you, buttons! - Daniel

I was half expecting all trombones to be s-tier with the exception of piston valves

You forgot the superbone!

piccolo trombone, that's all im going to say

And the valve trombone was the trombone of the future in the 19th C. 😨 Thank God Arthur Pryor saved us.

"Don't put valves on my trombone" haha

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but the lead pipe arrangement on a slide trombone is very different from the slide trumpet. So, technically they are not the same thing but to be honest even after 54 years of trombone playing I still can't hear a difference. I agree with you on the valve trombones. The marching version should not be called a trombone, then it would be fine. Call it a marching tenor .. or something like that. Great for paying on a Santa Clause parade float. The Cimbasso is a valve contra-bass trombone (usually in F). It rates way higher in my book than a a valve tenor trombone. Kind of like a small tube with way more snap. Fun video, thanks!

Wow I didn't know there are so many different types of trombones! Cimbasso looks interesting.. would that maybe be easier to slide vertically..? Poor valve trombones 😢🤣 slide is like the coolest part that defines the trombone 😇 also look forward to your video album :)

Marching Trombone? I'm pretty sure that came from someone messing up a baritone design and just passing it off as something new so they didn't get fired.

F in the chat for the medium bore trombones

Jokes on you, the valve trombone is more famous than the slide trombone here where I live. (We have to specify that it has a slide to know it is a slide trombone)

I thought S stood for Superb? (I should know. I'm a gamer)

I was wondering about this very issue, I looked up sax found 4 different types. Thank you for giving us all information on this issue and you did it with humor, love the expressions. Funny

the “marching trombone” is literally just a baritone 😑

Marching "trombone" is just a bass trumpet. Disqualified!

🤣NO ...(PAUSE)!😂 I loved your honesty in critiquing. 🥰

So what about the Superbone and the Firebird? Both have valves AND slides. They are the brain children of Maynard Ferguson & Larry Ramirez, sure, but the current version of the Superbone by Wessex is sized more like a tenor trombone whereas the original version has bore sizing closer to a trumpet. The Firebird is the trumpet-sized version of the Superbone. Also, I can’t hate completely on the valve trombone as it’s used in Mexican banda music, which as person of Mexican descent, I do love. But otherwise, I don’t have much use for one. Even my trombonist son doesn’t want one. Lol

The bass trombones typical today usually have an interior slide bore of 0.562 of an inch. The typical Bb/F symphony tenor trombone usually has a 0.547 bore size. This is also called "large bore". The usual size you see in hands of trombonists for jazz bands is a 0.500 bore or "medium" bore. Back not very long ago, the King 2B sized horns were common, and these have a bore smaller than 0.500 bore. Thus, you would call that horn or a Bach 6 or Bach 8 a small bore horn. They are common in studios, and with some jazz performers. There are some odd types of horns, like you mention like Cimbasso, or Alto trombone (not uncommon at all in professional symphony work, where much of the literature really calls for alto trombone). I, myself own a King 2B, a Conn Constellation (0.500 bore), a Bach 16M (0.508 bore) and a Bach 42B (0.547 bore) with the traditional closed wrap. Another interesting issue in bore size and shape is the idea of a DUAL BORE. The King 2B is that type of horn. The two hand slide tubes are NOT the same diameter inside. One, the top set of slide tubes is SMALLER, and the lower set is LARGER. This changes the feel and sound a bit, and it is useful, I believe for it's tonal flexibility without having to push too hard to change sound quality. The "German" trombone also typically has a very larger bell and a dual bore like this. There are very few orchestras still using this type of trombone. I believe this choice can set the orchestra apart and make a more interesting effect overall.

Why you put three valve trombone on F, you can play ur fav corrido on it like AMG and PRC

I'm curious to see how this list would change if you were to rank the instruments by their timber rather than form. As a euphonium player, I occasionally needed to play the baritone or valve trombone to change the tone of the piece.

So I use a marching trombone as my bass trumpet. It gets a really nice sound, maybe I'll use it in an upcoming video and perhaps change you mind to at least make it onto the list.

Makes me wanna do a flute tier list lol

Oh, whoops. I have several 4-valve trombones with rotors. They were designed for the opera pits (no hitting the flute player in the back of the head in a tight orchestra pit) and for military parades, primarily in Europe. I also have one that's of historical significance that has verified provenance. I guess that makes me a loser. Bunch of F's...... sheesh.....

I totally agree regarding the valve and flugelhorn. The cimbasso I think sucks as well, but I get your point. Here in Mexico, however, it is the valve or "Traitor trombone" as one fellow put it.

I can't believe you have things ranked lower than a sopranino 😢 Doing the valve trombone dirty like that!

The superbone is missing. James Morrison explains why that instrument is so much fun. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpNmob2L19mdiJ8.html I think there is nothing wrong with the valved instruments as long as you have a trigger.

Ok... I haven't heard of a couple of those.. interesting. Bottom line, if it doesn't have a slide, it's not a trombone and is not worthy..