But when the ride quality is worse than Soviet-era carriages on the same track, it's not a great look

​@@pangolin83the thing is, Soviet stock is the toughest stuff out there, made to work in nearly any condition - while this Talgo stock is, in reality, more made for perfectly smooth tracks and infrastructure without flaws... 🤷🏻‍♂️

We have a similar problem here in Canada. The ex-BR mk5 sleepers we got were meant for smooth European tracks. Over here, they ride much worse compared to our 1950s Budd equipment on the same track. Amtrak’s Talgos also had this problem. Big, heavy equipment really helps smooth out the bumps in the track, turning sharp jolts into gentle swaying. Talgo trains anywhere outside Europe are a gimmick if you ask me. Conventional stock seems so much more flexible, and easier to maintain in the long-term. The Ukranian strategy of rebuilding old ammendorf cars is the way to go, at least until track improves!

Talgos are super comfortable on equally modern tracks. They just glide like a flying carpet, however, it is true that on derelict tracks, they can be awful.

Furthermore, to reduce weight, in order to keep it within the load limit of a single axle between carriages, the car must be very light. Through the use of light alloys… and limited amount of soundproofing!

Well you’re free to write a convincing letter for the corrupt government

Nowhere near that. Talgos trains make it from Astana to Almaty, an 1,100km journey, in 14 hours. Which makes the average speed below 80 km/h. Hardly high-speed by any standard, bar post-soviet, as older soviet built and newer russian built trains take 20 hours to make the journey.

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Spain does not make qualitative stuff.

Have you seen the Astana LRT? They can’t possibly re build the entire network it’s impossible especially with no funds

You are correct there! 😂

I think also those talgo's go faster over the same tracks than a lot of other trains do on the same line. Thus, a 70 km/h soviet sleeper car may well be running more comfy than a 120 km/h running Talgo one. The talgo cars run well on basically any track sections, from a technical standpoint. However, the passengers may be less happy. A similar thing happened way back when in the Netherlands, when we switched from the good old 'dog-nosed' Mat54 to Mat64 (look the pictures up). Although visually similar, the Mat64 was among the heaviest single-decker EMU's ever produced (worldwide even I think), whereas the Mat64 is much much lighter. This resulted in a ride quality that's a lot worse on the Mat64 in some ways, because it goes over the bumps instead of absorbing the bumps using the suspension.

Thats really weird, especially when considering that shorter carriages can be produced wider anyway (since they dont reach out of profile lines in curves as easy) combined with broad gauge these could be waaaay bigger

@@nanderv The Mat54 'dog head'/ 'hondekop' was really heavy. I worked a lot on these trains ( catering back in the days ) and I even prefered them over the Koploper. Last mentioned swiveled more side to side, while the Mat54 just bounced a little up and down. Over the ride quality of the Mat64 'ape head' ( which also had a 4 car variant 'Plan T' with a kitchen and buffet compartment ), it was terrible serving coffee or tea in that thing.

I agree with you, but allow me to make a point. Talgo has a long history. First Talgo set, Talgo one, appear on 1942, its main characteristic was the use of only pair of wheels per car. Talgo II was actually USA made and operated both in Spain and in USA. Talgo III started using variable gauge system, to allow those sets to operate across Europe. So no, talgos were not only optimised for Spain, but for Europe. Talgo IV implemented the tilting tech. Those sold to Kazakhstan are modified Talgo VI, that has little to do, except in concept, with the Talgo 3, which was already adapted to operate in Europe in '69. Talgo`s are mean to operate on whole world.

@@nanderv Si quieres alta velocidad en malas líneas no te queda otro remedio más que un Talgo de esa serie. Otros tipos de trenes a esa velocidad descarrilarían. Lo que no se ven por ahí son trenes británicos.

Glad to hear it! I'm a big fan of Kazakhstan too, so it is good people are enjoying the content from there! 😍

Suspension doesn’t help?

Talgo saves a lot of money by producing low quality trains that are very track dependent. Thats why talgo trains are cheap

@@cooltwittertag I rode the Siemens ICE train in the United States back in 1993. Very rough ride. Talgo is not the only builder reliant on track condition.

@@maestromecanico597 Siemens trains run significantly smoother on bad tracks, trust me. The issue is that the ICE in the US was an ICE1 that couldnt tilt. Its the least smooth ICE and it lacked the tilting functionality amtrack was looking for. And I bet it still rode a lot better than Talgo trains.

It‘s a mixture of both. The trains are known to rattle a lot and provide an unsmooth ride. Being on the old kazakh tracks obviously doesn’t help. The „normal“ trains in kazakhstan are a lot smoother.

Which is a pretty big flaw, given they were ordered to run in Kazakhstan's environment.

Thanks for watching! 😊

Well, I guess the toilet time vs restaurant time explains what happened after he ate and spent all that time in the WC.

Actually no, I packed a lot of snacks, so didn't visit the restaurant much.

Hahaha, was just making sure I was all caught up with things. :)

Thanks! Just took a few weeks off to catch up with some things.

Thank youuu 😍

The Soviet-era trains are much smoother and quieter on the same track.

One reason for that: The floor is much higher. Furthermore, my experience: It depends very much one how far away your compartment is from the wheels

Thank you! :)

А вы не типичный славянский человек

Soviet trains on the same route are far better to ride. Thanks, more from this region soon... ;)

On channel 808, the opposite opinion abounded about the European train, praise of Soviet trains, and Russian trains, and in this channel of praise Talgo

Yeah, you're right. Some have keys, but some don't. It's quite strange.

They are mostly the same thing. :)

The Soviet-era trains on the same route offer a quiet and smooth(er) ride.

Well the problem is that the single axle is more or less fixed to the jointed rail cars so all the imperfections of the track are directly transmitted to the cars while train bogies offer a way bigger freedome of movement and secondary dampening thereby being way better suited for bad tracks. If doesn't act like a bogie it drives like a Pacer train which was also criticzed for its ride quality. If you have new built tracks for high speed travel like throughout spain then yes it is a system that works although I don't see any advantages to it. Yes it can change gauge but so can other systems. Complicated system with little benefits apart from slightly wider cars while us

using the same structure gauge as the shorter cars swing out less so your bunk maybe a few cm longer without making the gangway narrower.

@@no-damn-alias Many complaints were made by locals about the Talgo carriages being too small.

@@SuperalbsTravels that may be as Kazahk rails allow wider trains and possibly Talgo only offered the standard UIC structure gauge width trains so they're as wide as in western Europe where second class is 2+2 while in post soviet countries it's mostly 3+2

Thanks! I'd love to visit Greece, it's one of the few European railway networks I haven't visited...

@@SuperalbsTravels but this period we have some railway issues. In December it will work again normally! The section of Line at Tempi valley till Larissa is damaged because in September we had some fluids there but it will be working again this section of this line at December as I know

Hopefully soon! 😉

Thanks! I'd love to!

Yep it only works In places with high quality track which is mainly in Europe, and east Asia everywhere medium or low quality track

Yep, the bogied stock in Kazakhstan is a lot better. Obviously not perfect, but wow it's noticeable.

Thanks!!

Thanks!

The other train station is called Astana-Nurly Zhol. (Nur should ring some bells)

I have been on a lot of long journeys on Soviet-style carriages, even up to 63hr, and they were a LOT better than Talgo.

Unfortunately this is a noisy one!

Sure was! 😅

True! 😂😂😂

Thank you!!

The trains really are cosy to ride in snow!

Glad you enjoyed it!

It was a pretty basic station! 😅

Omg you're right 😂

I managed to get it on another trip! :)

Thank you! I've filmed a lot in this region, so it will be coming soon. :)

KZfaqr suffers hypothermia in Kazakh winter, no clickbait , train ride gone wrong

Awesome, enjoy yourself in Georgia. It's a firm favourite of mine.

For sure! 😍

It gets very hot in summer, and very cold in winter.

I'm not sure I'm rich enough for that trip! 😅

Si hace ruido es por el mal estado de las vías no por el material rodante. Ni idea de lo que es un Talgo.

It's coming very soon... 👀

@@SuperalbsTravels Ok :)

its a brand new order

The ratteling isn't created by the train itself, it's reacting to the poor quality of the track. A similar Talgo night train calles InterCityNight was actually known for it's good ride quality in Germany. So the ICE-L will be propably be fine in terms of ride quality.

@@spygot The ICN was very loud in the Frankenwald or other parts with tight curves.

I really hope so too, it would totally ruin train travel in Germany if they are...

The Soviet-era trains will run on any track!

There's a funny video somewhere, showing a driver who looks totally bewildered at the controls of a brand-new TE33A. They seem to be really proud of them now.

😂😂😂

Too early for me 😂😂😂

Vande Bharat Express video is coming very soon... 👀

End carriages have a single set of wheels at each end, as well as the shared wheels. :)

I'd guess the same to be honest. They've been tested at 200km/h, I'll try and find a video for you.

Here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5Z1hNVz062Upp8.html

​@@SuperalbsTravelsThanks a lot for the video.

@@Chrizz06041980 Happy to help. :)

You can make the character of Borat and the actor who plays him your moral guide in everything 😁

The tracks aren't great, but the Soviet-style trains on this route are much better.

@@SuperalbsTravels Yeah not the best train for the job.

Tú tienes de español lo que yo de chino. Ni idea de lo que es un Talgo, precisamente están pensados para las vías en malas condiciones.

@chabissit The Talgo III RD on Barcelona to Switzerland services. The final cities of the journey varied, from Geneva when TEE "Catalan Talgo" was inaugurated to when it moved to InterCity to Berne or €uroCity to Zurich. French passengers, who only used it on intermediate journeys within the SNCF network, took it into account because it was very comfortable and quiet. We are talking about from 1969 until it was eliminated from service as Talgo Marenostrum, between Cartagena and Montpellier to be replaced by branches of the Talgo Pendular in the early 1990s. Already limited to Montpellier to transfer to the TGV to Switzerland.

There's supposed to be a video you can click on. Is that not showing up?

Very nice

Haha, but this is electric! 😂

True! 😂

Ni idea de lo que es un Talgo, precisamente están pensados para las vías en malas condiciones.

I prefer the clickety-clack of a normal train personally! 😅

I don't like coffee.

I really liked my ride on a BCh Ammendorf coach back in 2020. 😊

I really hope it's not quite as bad... 😭

My friend's wife is Russian, and she has used both... I'm told she definitely agrees! 🤣

Типичный русский, который самоутвердиться за наш счёт.Пф 😁😄😂🤣Ух какая гордыня

I'm worried about them... 😢

🤢

I think most of Kazakhstan is VERY wide soviet gauge... unless they changed something recently... however, I believe, one of the reasons for the choice, is that the Talago trains can also adjust to multiple gauges (in this region, that would be the standard Chinese gauge for certain sections)... not sure how that effects the ride.

Talgos are also really designed for continuously welded rail, which you typically don't see on soviet era railways in central Asia. The Talgos in Europe and North America ride just fine.

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 the Russian gauge just one hand wider than the English gauge

@@erkinalp for a standard Railway Gauge that is still very wide... in the past, Wide Gauge was more common, but that's in the 19th and early 20th century. it is an inefficient, but very stable, easy to handle, low speed gauge... where as most gauges are built for efficiency to where they believe the safety coefficient is still passable.

Have you seen the Egyptian Talgo stuff? It's massive!

Thank you! Me too!

Not quite, this train doesn't have bogies at all.

@@SuperalbsTravels Thanks, I just googled it, interesting design. From afar, it looked like a single bogie, my bad.

It is an amazing and vast place. I felt very safe at all times, though.

Sometimes I do. Even in this video, I mentioned the price of the food.

A sleeper pacer even! 😭

@natehill8069 Bogies Jacobs are a German invention. The spanish Talgo, if they are characterized by something, is by using independent wheels. Talgo Patents, S.A. It calls them "Rodales" and it is one of the particularities of the Goicoeche Oriol=Talgo Light Articulated Train technology from 84 year ago. By the way, the inventor, the Spanish engineer and military man Mr. Alejandro Goicoechea Omar, when he went to several German universities in the early 1940s, was told by German engineers that this technology was unreliable and that they preferred conventional axles. Paradoxical that in the newly created DB after the 2nd. World War II, in 1950 they tried to develop two articulated light trains VT 10.5 suspiciously similar to the Talgo concept, but they were an absolute failure. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_VT_10.5

I'm not sure that's still true for the newer ones! An interesting history, though. :)

@@SuperalbsTravels Well, yes and no. While it's possible since Generatio II to run them backwards due the way the axles are steered, it still carries the issue of being hinged at two wheels and one connection creating a triangle. Hydraulic steering reduces that effect for most situation, but not 100%. In addition the last car is missing that steering force. DB used the same trains (Type 6) during the naughties (perfect rides) and turned them at each destination. Same reason why the new IC-L (Talgo 230) get regular 4 wheel bogies at both end cars.

Too early for me! 😂

Yeah... ☹️ It definitely darkened the mood, a terrible day indeed...

Yes it is very amazing 😃

Yes, me too (mostly)! :)

No idea! 😂😂😂

Those Aktobe-Almaty carriages are awful, in third class at least. 🤢🤢🤢

@@SuperalbsTravelsAhahahahh :D At least I had some interesting and inspiring encounters with common people there, as well as dining alone in a super-cheap dining car. Somewhat of a "colonial experience" :D

@@user-ft9ul5ul5v The restaurant car was very nice, but a little bit weird.

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