Or we can agree that humans are done and altmer triumph in the end?

To be honest I like the idea of the two world powers in a state of cold war. Could make for some good story telling if done right.

Damn A NCR ranger but... with the name of comrad lenin It supposed America will never fall to communism

@Tw1 Sorry but Syrabane and Phynaster already did that. By high elven standards, Tiber was pretty late to the party on becoming a god.

@Tw1 Considering most of Septim's military success was based on the use of the Numidium (aka elven technology) I doubt that. And as in the case of Syrabane and Phynaster, we have examples of high elves who achieved enough in life to be deified like Septim.

All hail Emperor Motierre

That would make Titus Meade, comparable with Martin Septim himself, Martin Septim sacrificed himself to become an Avatar of Akatosh, to save the Empire, Titus Meade sacrifices himself to reunite the Empire and thus saving it, as well

@@samuelhaverghast2442 But he polarized it too though

Yeah, Skyrim really is meant to be part of the Empire. If it weren't for the banning of Thalos worship, Skyrim would be a peaceful land. Plus the Emperor was ready to give up Hammerfell in exchange for peace, so what does that mean for Skyrim? The Emperor could've easily given up Skyrim, this reinforces the idea that the other provinces are just pawns to the Empire's game. The White Gold Concordat is not really a sacrifice for the greater good to me, but more of a bad PR stunt for the Empire. The Emperor needs to die indeed and he knows it, but then what? Hate towards the Empire will still grow while Thalos worship is banned, and I don't see another Emporer solving these problems. I think Skyrim will eventually be independent, but not by the hands of Ulfric.

“IT oFtEn GeTs OvErLoOkEd” no it doesn’t. That’s a well acknowledged theory. Stop thinking you’re smart for pointing out the obvious

I'm legit hoping it won't be the case. I was discussing earlier with a friend how "maybe Bethesda will have a catastrophe happen soon after the civil war, or the empire will fall apart due to infighting and subsequent invasions, which would mean a nord-ruled Skyrim regardless of whether the Stormcloak repulse the Imperials before said catastrophe or after".

well I mean there was...

@@WillowProductions bethseda has not canonised a second dragon break. you on skooma?

@GreenTea I think what's worse is Bethesda literally had a second chance to improve the writing/story of Skyrim, with Skyrim: Special Edition. They could have drastically improved the stories of the various quests, actually fixed a lot more of the bugs, added more lines of dialogue, expanded existing factions and their questlines, improved upon the civil war by adding in some of the cut content, added in spears as a viable weapon option etc. It's honestly a disappointment to me and why I'll never buy any Creation Club content. You look at the work of modders like the Beyond Skyrim Team, Legacy of the Dragonborn team and the Skyblivion, Skywind and Enderal developers and wonder what the hell, Bethesda has been doing. =( TES VI is going to have to be spectacular to get me to buy it, especially after the seemingly never-ending trainwreck that was Fallout 76.

@@eyesack6845 I mean there 'was' one unrecorded Dragon Break that is now canon. The one that banished Alduin through time... Even though that ISN'T how Elder Scrolls work. Another story-related thing they could have fixed while re-releasing Skyrim on PS4/Xbox One/PC as Special Edition =/.

I think the db should become emperor

​@@andryuu_2000 yes but they probably won't, they had their chance with the Nerevarine, who had a much better chance of becoming ruler, on the count of the fact that establishing themselves as a major political figure in Morrowind, is part of the Main Quest. Not to mention trying to realize a former player character as a NPC in the sequel would be a Nightmare coding and writing wise. No they're probably going to say that they "mysteriously disappeared" and Herma Mora's going to reference a pet Dragon, and if we go to another plane of Aetherius a character will reference a "guest of honor" being at Sovengard

@@vincegalila7211 Yeah, the Dragonborn DLC implies that The Last DB will get stuck in Apocrypha somehow, having the same fate as Miraak

@@TitusTheBard or at the very least will become the Princes agent in Oblivion. I can't imagine that they wouldn't be used for the Prince's petty disputes.

It would make poetic sense as well for the Ulfric to be defeated by another wielder of the Thuum. Just as it would make sense for a Stormcloak victory should the Dragonborn side with Ulfric, but I think the Imperial dragonborn makes for a better plot story.

SparkyCeasar either or I think, cause either way the imperials win.

SparkyCeasar A proper legion can’t take Skyrim back as long as the nords set up proper defenses. There’s only a few ways into Skyrim, all of which are ripe with naturally defendable positions. As well as ambush zones and what not. Skyrim terrain makes it a natural fortress of stone and snow. You’d need to send the full force of the imperial army and navy to even stand a chance, all things considered that is.

The Lone Outlaw Idk bruh, them same Legions kicked the Thalmor’s ass and the Thalmor are big niggas compared to Stormcloaks. Plus in game Skyrim is small, but in lore Tamriel is the size of Europe, there isn’t only one way to get into Skyrim from Cyrodiil bruh.

The Lone Outlaw the stormcloaks army is barely an army. Just farmers and a few soldiers. Also, Skyrim is not some foreign land to the empire. It’s been a part of it since the empire was founded and they know about all of the terrain.

If it weren't for Alduin the rebellion would've been over before the start of the game. It stands to reason if they captured him once they can do it again without much of a issue.

@Venom Snake end of the stormcloak quest ulfric tells galmor to start talks with high rock and Hammerfull to form an alliance, plus if your a stormcloak during the dark brotherhood questline ulfric specifically says they will not attack the emperor to avoid entering conflict with the empire

Venom Snake, xenophobia...? Oh yeah let’s invite everyone into our lands!

And racism

Stormcloaks are idiots, so I would be more surprised if they said they would stop after Skyrim.

@@blumbtumb7404 Actually, yes. Xenophobia, racism, bigotry, the list goes on. An example is the Gray quarter in Windhelm, if you ask any dunmer, they'll tell you shit hit the fan for them since Ulfric came into power. And the Argonian Dockworkers are paid maybe a tenth of a Nord worker's pay, and the Argonians do most of the work, if not all of it. While the only nords seen there sit on their asses on their boats, doing Fuck all. These are people who came to make a difference in their lives and get away from the troubles their homelands brought, or otherwise seeking some kind of opportunity for fortune. And they get beaten down by the stormcloaks who want them out for literally no reason than just to be rid of them.

@Kristopher Shafer Does the Dark Brotherhood assassin destabilise the Empire? Or does the assassin actually guarantees the success of the Empire...? Titus died a Martyr's death, and it's been very much speculated that his death was in fact a premeditated suicide. Meaning it's all part of some grand plan.

You do know you can destroy them by siding with the Penitus Oculatus right?

@@johnr3940 i like the idea of rexus being the new emperor.

I always get to the last mission and purposely leave him alive. I just love to see the glorious Katariah

@@alex_ho Yeah. I think there is a plan here to. Titus Mede was a really cool character, and I hope he had a plan, and we will see that deploy during The Elder Scrolls VI !

Elisif is young and week and would be a puppet to the empire. Yea she is kind at heart and does care about the well bring of her people but as I stated before she I weak and Is not good at decision making. Ulfric can fight make good decisions and also really cares about his people. Would you rather a weak person (who cares about her people) in charge or a strong person (who also cares about his people) in charge

Elisif the fair is a ditz. Hot, but a ditz. She demurs to Falk Firebeard whom demurs to Sybille Stentor, a f#^*g vampire w/unknown motives. (I tend to believe she wanted the Dragon Born dead/ infected) If the Storncloaks win why does that automatically infer that the moot will elect her high queen ?

@@YABBAHEY1 Sybille could mentor her as she slowly progresses to becoming High Queen, yes Sybille's beliefs are mostly unknown, but because she's a Vampire she's seen alot and probably knows enough to tutor Elisif, the Imperials never would have attempted to place her as High Queen, they didn't even assign Torygg as High King, he was elected properly, Ulfric challenged him for the throne, and used the thuum which goes against what he was taught by the Greybeards, as well as going against Nord traditions, legally Ulfric should have been killed the moment he shouted as that made his challenge null and void. Ulfric has no right to become High King as he was not Honorable, and he technically rigged it so if the Stormcloaks win the jarls would vote for him immediately, with laila being the only one to possibly disagree with him.

Fenris you don't no much about Nord culture do you. Ulfric thought torryg the traditional way of using the voice. It wasent cheating It showed ulfric is stronger then torryg meaning that if the emperor had let the nords have there traditions and not try and turn skyrim into an imperial culture then ulfric would be sat on the throne and there wouldn't be a need for a civil war

@@Max-wc6zy Its forbidden to use the thuum for combat unless you're a Dragonborn, remember Ulfric originally was going to become one the Greybeards which is why he can use the thuum in the first place, however he was selfish and left High Hrothgar. The challenge Ulfric declared against Torygg was like I said, null and void the moment Ulfric shouted as it was a traditional Nord challenge meaning only physical weapons were allowed such as swords and axes, magic of any kind is forbidden during one, its literally the reason Ulfric was going to be executed, he murdered the High King in cold blood, there was no honor in what he did, nor has done for Skyrim. The Imperials have not done much to ruin Nord culture, aside from the signing of the concordant, which most Imperials don't even follow. The Imperials only signed it to bolster ranks, and recover so they could have the best odds to win the second war.

Honestly the Stormcloak side has a stronger claim for a real story continuation. For one the empire is old, is rotten and needs to fall. Hell it's already fallen. And the fact that they think after 25 years of letting the Thalmor kidnap and torture Nords that Nords would just forgive us crazy. The fact that Nords were literally kidnapped from Whiterun and balgruff didn't nothing was crazy. The story that makes sense is Stormcloaks win, like Hammerfell won. Empire falls to just cyridel and is destroyed. Nords are so much more than just farmers, there's a reason they make up the backbone of the military, they are instinctually warriors. So once empire stops getting more recruits that's it. Empire gone. The best warriors in the empire were Nords and red guards and the empire betrayed them both. Why would they ever go back to the empire.

That is when the Dragonborn swoops in, dons a draconic looking sun helmet (similar to Aurelian's decorative helmet) and is proclaimed as the Restitutor Tamrielis.

@@Sputin i think the dragonborn should be emperor

The Romans never conqered all Germania and Varus fought with the best Legionares to beat Arminius. Sometimes the elites were stadioned at the border of Magna Germania.

@@Sputinthe Dragonborn becoming emperor is the easiest option, as the story could go Skyrim invaded the empire and placed the Dragonborn there or the Dragonborn rebelled from the empire and took over o their own. Idk, but Dragonborn should be an unnamed emperor who died shortly after ascent and had a son that made a dynasty or something

​@Jiub_SN that will just not happen

Yeah maybe, I mean supposedly even normal shouting could cause an anvalanche imagine a Thu'um infused one. They likely made that part impassible for years or more. It could even explain why he might been out in the field to begin with. Trying to seal the Pass to prevent any real mustering troops to arrive with the Thu'um as he's the only one at the time in the force that could use it.

Maybe it was alduin

After 6 months in enemy territory, he was able to ambush the enemy leader. That is a next level bad ass, and doing it with untrained youth nonetheless.

Truely a great leader

@@tntsummers926 what's better is that at that point the war as basically fuckin' over. Ulfric captured and about to he executed. Tullius hadn't even been in Skyrim for a full year...and did that with a bunch of farmers!

"Battles are won by well trained soldiers,. Wars are won by exceptional individuals." General Tullius.

@@tntsummers926 2 months actually. tullius is underrated.

the empire is in ruin and only the stormcloak and this dunmer will but the thalmor in there place

CommanderM117 isn’t morrowind in a crisis/ under invasion & the storm cloaks a poor mans militia? I don’t see them being a threat to the dominion or anyone for that matter

morrowind is a wasteland more so then usually is but redoran are rebuilding and we have taken some of are land back from the argonian but we are not being invaded we are worse of yes but a little help and my people could be a strong ally for the nords we also share a hatred for the thalmor and we don't like the empire it very likely that after the empire win or loss the second great war ether 1 will invade morrowind just to purge us for draedra worship i am helping those that fight both and gave my people a place to stay

CommanderM117 Since when do the Dunmer hate the thalmor? It really looks like they don’t give a fuck about them.

thalmor/altmer are Aedra Worshipers we Worship Deadra it would not belong before after dealing with the humans they would turn on us i mean they hunt down heretic in summerset so it likely they would see us as bad same apply with empire only they do it for greed

Exactly. I've been saying this for years, even without this info. It was predictable

Yes. Because this is the first time they took a side despite a players choice, as an example the warp in the west was the way they explained how the ending for Daggerfall didn't matter. Every possible ending a player could choose was canon.

Quantum Shock Even in the game loading screen they were referred to as "Rebels." When has the word "Rebel" ever been used in a good Light? Also, this isn't the first time they chose a side. Did you know that in Oblivion you could side with Mehrunes Dagon? Or how if you killed an important NPC in Morrowind you were forced to reload a save. Also, the Warp in the West has a specific cause, which isn't present in Skyrim.

*When has the word "Rebel" ever been used in a good Light?* *cough* Star Wars *cough* Also the Oblivion example is kind of a stretch, obviously they couldn't do that otherwise there wouldn't be a sequel. All they had to do was keep it vague, have the main plot of TES 6 be so important that everyone is like "Who fucking cares who won?" Or just use the fact that the Dragonborn has multiple Elder Scrolls as a cause for a Dragon break in Skyrim. Simple.

When has 'rebels' ever been used in a positive way, really? Star Wars? The American Revolution? The French Revolution? The Syrian Civil War? Kosovo? Soviet-Afghan War? Kurds in Iraq? Portugal's Carnation Rebellion? That's literally the dumbest argument I've heard in a long time.

In my skyrim i destroyed the darkbrotherhood i would line in tje next game to kill ciecero and babet to finaly end the darkbrothehood

That would be awesome, I've always thought the same.

I totally love Dragonage too, good point to bring up

I wish they had done that for TES as Daggerfall had multiple endings. Literally. They said all of them happened. but this is Bethesda. They're lazy

Dragon age is shit m8 the only good one was the 1st game

Es würde dann vermutlich ein Bündnis zwischen Sturmmantel-Skyrim und dem Imperium geben.

Maybe he could be a Thalmor agent but mind you they don't enforce the ban either in the Empire as some places still have Talos shrines.

@@TheUnseenPath well the thalmor consider him an asset in the sense that his little joke of a rebellion is annoying the empire , and ironicaly enough ulfric kicking up dust over talos worships is what brought the thalmor secret police into skyrim in the first place, i do love details

If the empire lifted the ban the stormcloaks would likely stop their rebellion peacefully, that is one of their major reasons for it, and I think they'd likely choose to settle things near status quo with some slight changes to how the imperial government manages the province to ba a bit more loose like in morrowind

@@mcsmash4905they were already present, play elder scrolls blades. And ulfrics rebellion saved the empire and was giving them a hard enough time that the Dragonborn is needed to help them defeat his rebellion. He only controls half of Skyrim, and yet he someone still holds onto that half. Bit odd isn't it? Almost like the empire is too weak to do anything? Sorta like how they lost to the high elves who were no where near as man power heavy and should've lost? Interesting isn't it

Yeah, I feel ashamed

Until it is written in ES6 i dont believe it cause the letter changes so that is one clue that it is NOT cannon

it was found long before this guy seen it and it changes nothing the stormcloaks will win with fire and ash i will burn the legion to the ground

CommanderM117 even so they can't hold skyrim for long

《Budokai Elite》2018 Especially as most of the real Nord fighters are away with the legion. Ulfric can sit there with his farmers and just cry when they come marching home with orders.

Yes, they literally banned Talos worship because they KNOW he is a god, but godhood only works in TES if there are people to believe in them, The Thalmor genuinely believe if they stamp out all Talos worship, they will weaken him (and by extension Lorkhan, the greatest enemy in the Thalmor's eyes) enough that he will not be able to stop the ensuing genocide of all mankind by the elves, and when the last of Lorkhan's heirs dies, so too would he, and with his true death and the destruction of the towers the very bindings of Mundus would unravel and, the Thalmor believe at least, the (re)ascension to godhood of the meric races.

+Viy Snjór Incorrect. Godhood is not determined by the amount of people that worship said god. Talos is also not Lorkhan. The Thalmor do not want to become Gods, that's Kirkbride fiction.

The book Gods and Worship say that "It has been theorized that gods do in fact gain strength from such things as worship through praise, sacrifice and deed. It may even be theorized that the number of worshippers a given Deity has may reflect on His overall position among the other Gods." It is a theory both in-universe and out as it's never been confirmed. Gods are probably not created from a lot of people starting to worship them, but it's unclear whether the amount of worship actually affects their power or not. Talos is not Lorkhan though for sure, these are separate entities.

+Sierra Kay Jyggalag was a God, Jyggalag was practically not worshipped at all, Jyggalag was the most powerful of the Daedric Princes.

Again, wiping out Talos worship wouldn't kill him, it would just weaken him to the degree that he wouldnt be able to help his children fight off the Thalmor, who would then be able genocide every last human and no one would stop them from destroying the towers. Furthermore, Talos is Lorkhan because he is 1/2 Lorkhan to begin with, or 1/3 I suppose if you dont count Hjalti as being a Shezzarine, but Ysmir was confirmed to be a reincarnation of the god Lorkhan. Furthermore, Akatosh ascended Talos to godhood personally, and gave him *Lorkhan's* seat and role in the pantheon. Also Jyggalag is a Daedra, not an Aedra, they play by slightly different rules. Aedra are bound to Mundus and its fate, so it would make sense that they gain/lose power based on the beliefs of the walking shards of spiritual energy that live upon the world.

It was all but confirm in the beginning of Skyrim, if you want to clip. The Thalmor are begging Tullius, not to kill Ulfric, but, imprison him. To send him south to Cyrodiil, most likely to free him. but Tullius saw right through them, understanding the cold war. Since he is a genius, ambushing an enemy army after only 6 months. Also, in their own territorial heartland. With nothing but untrained recruits, only a military genius could do it. I hope TES6 is set in the Summerset isles. Right after the Thalmor are pushed back, and being invaded. The player can choose how badly they lose, because they can't win. Whether it is annexation, becoming puppets, or just losing land.

@Mr Stxne Alxne whoa whoa whoa not all elves bro.

I really want this to happen too. Like after season unending and Alduin is dead. There is another peace council requested by tullius and ulfric and the Dragonborn also attends they then create an everlasting piece and stand together with stormcloaks and imperials side by side against the dominion

@@fred5594 read the name.XD

There isn't a peace treaty ending. All you're negotiating if you do Season Unending is a temporary cease-fire.

That's assuming a pro-Stormcloak Dragonborn existed in the first place.

They will choose that he/she never chose a side, also in the tes lore we have dragon breaks, this makes it, so bethesda can ignore everything you do in the game, and even most things they wrote so far for the game.

The Forgotten Hero Neither did a Pro-Imperial Dragonborn.

I sided with the stormcloaks for the simple reason that I didn't think the empire was smart enough anymore (yknow because they choose a civil war in the coldest place in tamriel to start wearing skirts instead of the badass looking legion armor from oblivion)

@@codyearnestt Choose a civil war? Are you ok m8?

@@Bludthinkshesnapoleon sorry i meant like when they were in a civil war they chose to wear leather skirts despite being in the snow

@@codyearnestt yeah that kinda bugged me cause i love the legion but i dont want my knees to be cold and not protected.

@@Bludthinkshesnapoleon They chose it when they signed off on literally protecting high elves to rape torture and kill Nords as they please inside skyrim their home country.

The Dragonborn will be whisked away into obscurity like every other Elder Scrolls protagonist.

But weren't dovahkiin a vampire and a mora servant now?

@Guess I'll Die Hope not. I prefer for there to be less cop out continuity between the entries in the series especially since I don't want the empire to remain weak. In the words of Lorebeard Zaric Zhakaron: "Bethesda are sissies!"

Guess I'll Die riiiiight... Sheogorath proves otherwise.

Hard to swallow pills: your Elder Scrolls character is irrelevant outside of their game, once a hero has fulfilled their destiny they have no more purpose

Let's make Skyrim great again

Yes, make Tamriel great again

Yeah the dragon born, indeed, is the only, true, legitimate heir to the throne since he/she has dragon blood

@@argoarcontediatene8557 well since the pact with akatosh has been broken there is no need for a dragonborn emperor, but maybe he/she will become emperor as a spiritual heir.

perhaps the new emperor will finally save us from these knife ear'd fucks.

No matter which ending, there's a taste racism lul

Actually I think if we consider these notes, the Empire will ultimately win either way BUT I think Bethesda are hinting at Ulfric initially winning round 1... If the Dragonborn defeats Ulfric, the whole civil war is slightly anti-climactic... But if this reinforcement legion is the key deciding factor, it opens up the door for the Thalmor to play a more significant aggressive role in the future. If the Dragonborn squashes Ulfric's rebellion with Imperial Nordic farmers, the Empire & the Dominion will be more evenly matched, reducing the sense of urgency & threat of a 2nd Great War. I can see the books writing Ulfric as a serious confrontation that brought the Empire down a notch, rather than a bum who never got past Whiterun. This especially plays into the theory of the Emperor sanctioning his own assassination to mend the rift between Empire & Nord, an act he wouldn't have done if the Stormcloaks weren't more than a thorn in the side.

​@@IduNaVi2023the dragonborn will not play any political role, except for the truce which for me is canon. Why? He's way too powerful to take parts into a civil war and eventually enter imperial politics or international politics. + THERE IS FUCKING DRAGONS EVERYWHERE Do you think the imperials and the stormcloaks would realistically kill each other while fire-spitting monsters fly around burning towns? The dragonborn whose job is to stop the dragons could have authority and influence a truce in the best interest of the entire region, even considering that he's thane in every hold canonically and basically friend with every Jarl on both sides. Then the civil war would start again, but the LDB will likely be in apocripha for eternity serving Hermaeus Mora, as the LDB is canonically enrolled in the college of winterhold, and his love for knowledge would drive him towards serving Mora

​@@IduNaVi2023and oh yeah, the LDB slayed Alduin, the litteral World-eater. Dont you think he'd be revered as a God by all the people in Tamriel? Absolutely, Tiber Septim did much less to achieve Godhood. The LDB will be written off and hinted to be in apocrypha by like Mora saying "i got a pet dragon" or something like that. And probably some books saying "a dragonborn came in skyrim, they came together with alduin the world-eater, killed him, and then disappeared"

well, just remember that the redguards successfully pushed back the thalmor and the imperials at the same time, it's difficult but some armys like the argonian have some possibilities to defeat the dominion, they were capable to send the daedra back to oblivion and even continue the fight in the daedra lord territory, the only problem is that the black marsh is a close friend of the dominion (srry for my english, I'm not a native speaker)

*DEATH TO IMPERIAL SCUM*

morbius109 hey you should check out Fudge Muppets why men suck video. He explains exactly why Thalmor hate Talos. Talos was basically hitler to them so now they are Hitler themselves. It's basically real world evil, so don't just count Thalmor has evil

+Cipher Strife Comparing talos with hitler goes too far for me. Alexander the Great or Napoleon fit better. Conquerors are not necessarily evil, that's just a modern view. Talos has given Tamriel a period of peace and his empire was a power of good.

Christian Nitz Alexander The Great wiped out entire cultures and no It's not a modern view, if you were those people you would of said he was the devil. The only reason Alexander the Great is held in high regards is because he won. Hitler led a bloody revolt against those that subjugated and abused his people. How is Hitler worse than Alexander the Great? And as far as modern day view of evil as you put it, you're trying to say Conquerors who slaughter civilians that don't belong to their country are good guys and Conquerors who want justice for their people by torturing their torturers are evil. Wtf? It's all shades of gray that can be considered evil.

Problem is that in canon, the protagonist only completes the main questlines of the main game and DLC, this is done to prevent the forcing of a story down on headcanons.

@@dutchpatriot17 then why was he talking about the dark brotherhood

@@gahmuretvanbegonia994 Who?

10/10

Sad reality of Elder Scrolls games: your character is irrelevant outside of their game TLD is probably stuck being Hermaeus Mora's slave

I wish that after becoming an Imperial war hero in Skyrim you can somehow become the Emperor and finally bring the Dragon Blood to the Ruby Throne.

@@saudade7842: Know this is late, but honestly, I think when it comes to the game specifically, crowning the player Emperor is pushing it in my opinion. I understand lore wise the Dragonborn could very well become emperor, but to keep the game skyrim themed, I think it would make sense to keep the game and the player in Skyrim as much as possible and leave everything that could happen outside of that to fate with the Bethesda Devs. If I were Bethesda, I would have done something like this: You can become high king regardless of the path you choose. Ulfric could get killed in the final battle for Solitude and you take his place in finishing the war and becoming the "new ulfric" in the process so to speak. Therefore you become the next High King/Queen. If you are Imperial, you could be mooted High King by the council, as Queen Elisef's not officially the High Queen and only a temporary stand in during the war. In this scenario, I think you should also be able to have to choose. Become high king, or leave the throne to the Queen (choosing the latter, you get thane and Proud spire manor by default) or an additional 3rd option, if you are not married, you could take her hand in marriage and rule together. This could also provide a useful use for the marriage system. Either way, depending on what you do, you could potentially make the Blue Palace in Solitude your home, and to fit the lore, could also provide a pathway for Bethesda to make the Dragonborn emperor in ES 6 if they so choosed. Have Elder Scrolls 6 be in the 5th era, and vaguely state in a book or something that the Dragonborn went on to start a new era (or a new empire depending on the scenario) after Skyrim by becoming emperor and his/her descendents are the new Dynasty. I know this might not be the greatest idea, but it's what I personally would have done if I could choose. I'm still fairly new to Bethesda games and the Elder Scrolls franchise, and although I am extremely hooked on the latter, (especially lore wise) I can't help but feel so many wasted opportunities were missed. Civil War being one of them. I know mods can fix this, but still, the base games should be more fulfilling in my opinion. Civil War was lackluster Gameplay wise, but the lore around it was fascinating. Same for the College of WinterHold. Fascinating lore, extremely lackluster in game.

@@tigervalley62 Yeah, I don't think becoming the emperor would work. I'm really not sure how they could make any governmental office, much less emperor, fun while keeping the gameplay the same. I don't think it would work with this style of rpg, but I can dream.

Except it doesn't keep the Thalmor away, it does the exact opposite and gives them a free pass to arrest and execute whoever they want. The terms of the WGC are such that the empire no longer belongs to the empire.

@@asherandai1000 yes, they are, that is the reason they are doing as the Thalmor say. If they ever wish to have freedom, they must wait to rebuild themselves. It is a cold war, between humans and the Thalmor. All Ulfric is doing, is making the fight against the Thalmor harder.

@@tntsummers926 first, I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say because it looks like you replying to something that hasn't been said. Second, directly from the lore of the game and the wiki, the Thalmor were worse off then the Empire. The Thalmor had lost the entirety of the largest army they had ever mustered in dominion history, meanwhile the Empire were fresh off of a huge victory. Certainly they had taken heavy casualties in their forces in Hammerfell and Cyrodil, but they still had fresh forces from Skyrim and High Rock. The complete capitulation to the terms of the Thalmor was utterly nonsensical, and made the 4 years of fighting completely pointless. As for rebuilding, they gave up Hammerfell completely, surrendered to terms that allow the Thalmor to prevent them from rebuilding by arresting and executing anyone they want "under suspicion of Talos worship", and those same terms allow the Thalmor to watch their "progress" and take action to stop it. The surrender is literally the worst possible decision the empire could have made. It's unquestionable evidence that the leadership of the Empire is either too weak or too stupid to combat the Thalmor. Even the supposed reason for the surrender is completely nonsensical when you realise they spent a mere 4 years fighting the Thalmor, and 25 years fighting their own people who are dissatisfied with the leadership. If what you say had any nugget of truth the empire would have given up and let Skyrim take independence. Ulfric isn't the one making things harder, the Empire is.

@@asherandai1000 you don't seem to understand the war, like, at all. Cyrodiil was burned and sacked, their own capital was destroyed. The empire was suffering, from not being able sustain from their own land. The Thalmor spies, disrupted the empire, their legions. Blackmarsh, Morrowind, and Hammerfell were uncontrolled. Skyrim Highrock were green, inexperienced. Useless against the Thalmor, who have much better men. The empire had no navy, thus couldn't capitalize anymore. It was a bloody stalemate, and if the empire wanted to survive. They had to allow demands, or face further decline of their coffers. The empire was broke, they couldn't fight one month. Let alone against an island with a superior navy, and finances. It took the empire nearly two generations, to almost recover from it. If the empire does not comply, another costly great war. Skyrim can't hope to face the dominion, especially all alone. The Redguard and Bretons are afraid, because they are too weak. They can't hope to defend, against the empire and dominion. Since the empire is too weak, to even face the Dominion on their own.

@@tntsummers926 You don't seem to know anything at all about the lore, geography, or military of any of the Elder Scrolls. 1. Thalmor spies did not disrupt the Empire at all. That only occured AFTER the war was "over". 2. Blackmarsh and Morrowind were not part of the Empire. They belong to the Argonian state, and are not "uncontrolled". 3. Hammerfell was not uncontrolled. Approximately half was under control of the Dominion, and half was under control of the Empire. Hammerfell only became "uncontrolled" years after the war because they were not happy with the Empire surrendering to the Dominion and giving half of their lands to Dominion. They continued fighting even after the Empire had surrendered, and in response the Empire withdrew stating that Hammerfell was no longer protected by them as they wouldn't agree to the terms of the WGC. Hammerfell continued fighting the Dominion for several years BY THEMSELVES with their own already decimated forces, and forced the Dominion to withdraw and sign the Second Treaty of Stros M'Kai. Hammerfell with its military crippled by not only the dominion invasion, but also by civil war prior to the Dominion invasion, defeated the Dominion by themselves. If that isn't proof enough by itself of how badly the Dominion was crippled then you're either a complete and utter moron or willfully ignorant. 4. Cyrodil was not destroyed, it was occupied. Hence the reason the Empire brought Skyrim and High Rock forces in to retake it. Claiming it was destroyed is such a laughably ludicrous desperation move that I'm amazed I even to respond to it. 5. You really know absolutely nothing at all about Elder Scrolls if you think the Skyrim forces were inexperienced. The only ones who could claim to have more experience would be Hammerfell. Hammerfell and Skyrim were the bedrock of the Empire forces. 6. The Empire having no Navy is not only untrue, it's also totally irrelevant since the remaining Dominion forces occupied Hammerfell, Elsweyr, and Valenwood which are all completely accessible by land. Hammerfell was even part of the Empire until they gave it up. So I'm not gonna bother addressing the blatant lie, since its totally irrelevant anyway. 7. The Empire was not broke at all. It had plenty left to give. If it didn't then they wouldn't be able to immediately fight a 25 year war with Skyrim. This latest piece of bullshit disproves itself. 8. Did you really just say the Redguards were afraid??? I don't even know what to say to this... It's like you don't even who the Redguards are. You really know absolutely nothing at all and are completely talking out of your ass saying the first ridiculous piece of crap that comes into your head in an increasingly desperate attempt to hang on to the delusion that you have any idea at all on what you're talking about. The Redguards are the ones that refused to stop fighting and ended up driving out the Dominion without any help whatsoever. The Redguards are the fiercest warriors in all of Tamriel, with a reputation earned in near constant battle. Even the war hungry Nords of Skyrim respect them. 9. The Empire was not weak. They were wounded, but they were so very far from weak. The Dominion on the other hand were crippled, and could not mount another army of any significance without weakening their already tenuous hold Hammerfell, which they lost anyway to the Redguards who refused to stop fighting. No, at the time the WGC was signed the Empire forces were well above half strength, more like 70%, while Dominion was reeling and desperate because they had nothing else to give. The Empire leadership however was stupid and gave up without even negotiating. Even the Empire generals we meet in Skyrim express desire to continue fighting and confusion as to why they gave up, despite their loyalty. Really your complete and utter lack of knowledge of anything at all regarding the lore is absolutely astounding, it's like you've never once picked up an Elder Scrolls game let alone paid attention to the lore. Save us from any more of your ridiculousness and just leave. I'm not going to keep reading stuff from someone who doesn't even know who the Redguards are, let alone anything else.

the nord are the literal back bone of the empire without it the empire is nothing they even losses there empire statues only holding 2 provinces

Those mountains didn't help the Nords when the Empire came to invade it three other times, it won't change that now, either.

+CommanderM117 No they're not. The Imperials are the backbone of the Empire.

CommanderM117 Yeah, that's kind of a hilarious statement. The Imperials have been the backbone of the Imperial Legion for centuries, this is simply a canonical fact. They are the most 'patriotic' race of the Empire, which isn't a surprise considering there province is it's capital. The Legion and Nacy os open to all races, but the backbone of those forces has, since long before the Fall if the Septims, been the Imperials. The idea that the Nords, one if the most barbaric races in Tamriel who are generally undisploned, or Skyrim, one of the poorest, least developed and least resource rich provinces of Tamriel, is the backbone if the Empire is simply ludicrous... Thoigh they did make up useful soldiers in the Legion once approristly trained, they hadn't been the core of an Imperial Legion since the early days if Tiber Septim

Your forgetting the Imperial Navy is the biggest fleet in tes, mix that with proper battle mages and the storm cloaks are screwed seven ways to sunday.

ulfric himself is ex legion if im not mistaken but still if that beast beyond the pale pass is woken up then it wont help them much , its a full on professional legion

Well yes but in this Quest they retrieve the crown aka a very important Mission so ulfric uses His best troops to secure it

Two years late but I'm 100% sure the only reason Hermaeus Mora doesn't immediately enslave you like he did Miraak was because it'd be shitty if you just couldn't keep playing the game after finishing Dragonborn. I am willing to bet my left nut in the next game we'll hear about how the Dragonborn just never came back from Solstheim

"Runs-In-Circles is key to this" -- Emil Pagliarulo

OK, but I don't get why you're saying this means they're not giving Stormcloaks recognition. If this really _is_ the cheaty way out they have, it implies that the Stormcloaks are making ground against the Empire, which means the Dragonborn was either neutral or sided with Ulfric. Honestly, I was expecting them to just declare that the Empire won and leave it at that.

Thank Talos and the Nine Divines! We can finally take the fight to those damned Thalmor!

That is oxy moronic

This last great war shall be decided down at the old well! You better bring all 10 of your soldiers! It’s gonna be a street wide blood bath to end all scuffles!

yeah once you realise nearly all the soldiers are levies

All the Imperial troops in Skyrim are from Skyrim...

@@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533 you could probably call them an auxilia , the real heavy troopers from actual legion formations would probably sit around in solitude in their heavy armor

@@mcsmash4905 They should deploy them in Falkreath and Hjaalmarch, no wonder why they're losing the war.

@@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533 the imperials almost won the war on several ocassions the only thing stopping them from doing so is thalmor interferrence ( cause they want the war to keep going) and the heavy troopers are most likely few in number so they just defend their main political base which is solitude , i mean even the penitus oculatus is in dragonbridge basicaly outside of solitude

If they don't spend a decade making each game.

Totally agree. Or they could have made the Concordat force one of the Nords' own gods be banned, like Shor. If the Stormcloaks were fighting over Shor rather than Talos, their cause gains a lot more merit, and loses quite a bit of hypocrisy.

@@dutchpatriot17 How are they being hypocritical as is?

@@bryanbridges2987 They claim to be fighting for Nord culture, yet fight to preserve worship of an Imperial God.

@@dutchpatriot17 What? That doesn't makes sense. Tiber Septim is a human. All humans trace their ancestry to the Nords. He was a Dragonborn, a gift given to the Nords first. He is the only Aedra to start life as a mortal, as a creature rather than a creator. To say he is just "an Empirial deity" is very silly.

@@bryanbridges2987 All humans trace their ancestry to the Atmorans, not to the Nords. Being Dragonborn has nothing to do with being a Nord. He is an Imperial Diety. The Nine Divines are worshipped by the Imperial Cult; a sub-section of the Imperial Pantheon. The Nords have their own Pantheon; Kyne, Shor, Tsun, Stuhn, Orkey, just to name a few. They are just not worshipped by the Nords of the Fourth Era, and the Stormcloaks are incredibly ironic for claiming to fight for Nord culture while dishonoring more of it than the Empire ever has.

And saying the stormcloaks won would shit in the face of imperial players what's your point? Either way someone's gonna be pissed, just pick the one that makes most sense in lore and move on.

chimeranangel No no, I’m saying they could easily find a way to make both efforts, Stormcloaks as well as Imperials, equally redundant by making the outcome of the war irrelevant. That’s how most of the decisions made by the player get handled by Bethesda anyway

It’s doubtful that the Thalmor can take Hammerfell, and after what the Argonians did to the forces of Oblivion, i’d wager they’d lose there too

The thalmor arent nazis bruh. They're the jews.

Nick B can you elaborate?

Ireland fought for its independence in large part along sectarian lines and got a different result.

@Syko -The two conflicts cannot be compared given how Skyrim has been ruled by the empire for centuries. Scotland chose to join the empire whereas Skyrim is where the empire begin in the first place .

*Scotland joined the U.K. ! My bad

@@Valencetheshireman927 Technically, Scotland is where the British Empire began in the first place.

@@kalondi5722 How so ? The English created their own empire before Scotland joined England to form to United Kingdom . The British empire was English in origin since it was first created by the English (Even if they were ruled by a Scottish king at the time ! )

You do know what that Axe does right?

This is fake news you know, The Imperials have a note parallel to the one seen in the video.

Faze Dylan. Fake or not, prepare for the worst Hope for the best

Yeah. I feel ashamed I had to use clickbait. But on present day youtube its the only way to reach ALL your subs. And I wanted to make sure this weird discovery was sent to them all. Its sad really that the algorithm makes this necessary. But rest assured, this is probably the only ever instance in which I use it.

Imperial Knowledge And your little theory is a lie. Imperials even have parallel letters similar to the one seen in the video.

Thanks for the support!

Elijah Anderson "true nord" Obviously knows nothing about nords

This Is an Overrated Image what are you talking about. Ulfric literally betrayed the Empire while under its service and sold out skyrim to the dominion while assaulting its citizens for monetary gain. Did you not play the game?

Enrique Cabrera I don't recall ever reading anything about Ulfric gaining money for "selling" out Skyrim. It also very clearly in the game stated that Ulfric told the Dominion that he would work with them so they would set him free. It was all a means to an end to rid Skyrim of the Empire and Thalmor presence altogether. Even the dosimer said that no further contact had been made with Ulfric since his release. The Thalmor killing the people of Skyrim only happened in Imperial controlled territory because the White-Gold concordat allowed them to do so. The Thalmor were not tolerated in Stormcloak territory. We see evidence of this with the disappearance of the Thalmor in Understone Keep when the Stormcloaks take over the Reach. Like any man. Just like the Empire wasn't without blemish neither was Ulfric. No man nor government ever is. I wish they would've made some way for Ulfric to be the High King but stayed within the Empire like them working some kind of deal out.😭

Enrique Cabrera I actually made a mistake. Even the dossier said that "Ulfric was made to believe that the information obtained from him during his incarceration was made to believe that his information was crucial to the fall of the Imperial City but infact it wasn't because it had already fallen by this time." They also let him escape making him believe he escaped on his own. After that any further attempts at contact have been denied. It's all in the game. If Ulfric really worked with the Dominion like that then he wouldn't turn down contact

How did Ulfric sell Skyrim out to the AD? Ulfric wanted to fight them but was forced to fight the damn Empire.

indeed the note was likely written just for fun and even if it was true the stormcloaks has train soldier because ulfric was train in the legion there also the sneaky having dunmer in his town and they made a game after showing an allience of nord dunmer and argonians later in ESO soo hmm they might like that ideal

CommanderM117 wait you realise that eso is set in the past right?

yes i know that when i said later i was meaning games not timeline

CommanderM117 OK I'm with Ya now. I see what you mean

Look up the stories of the previous games & "Dragon break".

This is 2 years late, but even if there was a narrow pass, Imperial battle-mages could be tanks in the front and ignite Stormcloaks as they pass.

Good riddance, I say. Ulfric was racist, blood thirsty, short sighted... He wanted to throw a hissy fit about being temporarily unable to worship Talos. What made him think the Dominion would just sit by just because Talos worship is banned? No, they seek to completely destroy mankind and any trace of it. Breaking away from the Empire would weaken it, and the only major line of defense against the Dominion. If they want to worship Talos, they should have waited just a little longer for the Empire to find out the truth behind the movement that put the great war to a halt, and they'd void the treaty and wipe out the Thalmor.

@@greensheep4918 Tbh mate...Bethesda fuck this up. They fuck up the *NORDIC PANTHEON* [ A big letdown that one. :( ] , nordic way of life, cities/villages supposed to be bigger, and the fighting force of Skyrim was mighty! They were badass! Back in morrowind, they wore loin cloth out in the cold like it's no big deal! Plus they got Giants that were on stormcloaks' side!

​@@IamaDinosaur talos wasn't apart of the Nordic pantheon

Do you know how avalanches work?

+The Forgotten Hero It is TES physics, and TES weather, so they don't have to work like real life. In TES, you can get a frost mage to conjure up a blizzard storm and cause an avalanche like that. IRL you cannot do that. You can also just catapult something up there to trigger an avalanche, or shoot a lot of arrows up there, or manually go up there, and move some boulders, or shovel some snow out of the way, to make it unstable to cause an avalanche. Or just create an echo sound. Yell, or scream, and it will echo, and the echo can cause an avalanche.

Yeah, you don't know how an avalanche works.

If the Dragonborn used his Fus Ro Dah, I'm sure he could trigger one.

What Talos said in Morrowind Poor Old Emperor: "The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty." There won't be empire soon. Its clear that bethesda have plan to destroy empire and from 4th era we see how fast everything happen. Empire and Thalmor are only who walks with prisoners who wait horrible death and Player can help them meaning that Empire and Thalmor are in same enemy category. What war preparations? Do you think that Thalmor don't know about everything in Cyrodiil? They have their spies everywhere. Empire is broke, legions are weak and Pentus Oculatus is just pathetic to have any sirious role. Thalmor will attack again and Thalmor will won. Thalmor will destroy empire but with some casualties and coalition of allied countries of North Tamriel will be only Humans side thatwill fight for humans. Thalmor have in their pocket imperial nobles and they abduct nords from their homes just because of their religion. Empire and Thalmor are partners in crime. Empire is servant state of Thalmor Empire keeps imperial Jarls happy with gold and same does Thalmor. Battleborns help Thalmor to capture Nords and there is imperial flag in NORTHWATCH kEEP WHERE INNOCENT PEOPLES ARE TORTURED. Only Stormcloaks fight for right cause which is freedom. Imperial and Thalmor mind cannot understand that but freedom is most important thing in the world. Imperial and Thalmor are both partners in crime against Nords and they are argessors. Dragonborn is depicted as Nord, cannot denied Talos and his reneval of Blades are against laws of empire's master the Thalmor.? Nords are known as Bane of Elves. The Nords once conquered most of Tamriel. Destroyed Snow Elves, they broke the power of the Ayleids, nearly drove the High Elves out of High Rock, and conquered much of Resdayn, the precursor to Morrowind.

​@@michaelstark8720 When are the Nords referred to as the Bane of the elves? They were pretty badly defeated by the Dark elves/Chimer and Deep elves which is largely why they hold so little territory in Tamriel beyond the first era. Even the Bosmer managed to cripple Skyrim by attacking and killing its king during a Wild Hunt.

And racist

@@michaelstark8720 the Thalmor don't control the empire. They're waiting, doing as the Thalmor say, until they're strong enough. Strong enough to destroy the Thalmor, to FREE mainland Tamriel. Seeing as Ulfric doesn't know he is being used. That killing the previous jarl, who was sympathetic to him. With the shout, would've caused a civil war. He's not smart, if he was, he would've helped the empire in this cold war. Or used the previous jarl's sympathies, to not have a civil war. Or at the very least, not kill the previous jarl, with a shout. Because killing the jarl, in a duel deciding who's jarl, does not make you jarl. A moot, decides who is jarl, and killing your previous jarl, doesn't help your image.

The Empire was created in Falkreath, when Talos and the King conquered Cyrodiil and Skyrim.

The emperor dead... Tullius giving up without even a fight, showing the mettle of the 4th Era legion... all of Cyrodiil's provinces save perhaps High Rock gone... sure, that sounds like an inevitable victory to me. /not

Again, an Imperial victory is only realistic for the Emperor to even be in Skyrim in the first place. Why would he visit a wedding in a country that just seceded from his Empire?

Yeah, I think the "Season Unending" scenario is also very possible... In TESVI the player may read or hear reports and rumors of the ongoing conflict in Skyrim between the Stormcloacks and the Empire...

Please tell me, since when did Rome have an Empire that fell, followed by a second Empire that fell, followed by a Third Empire? It didn't? Then don't compare TES to the Roman Empire.

1. Your argument is "there weren't 3 Roman Empires", which is a false argument because there weren't 3 Septim Empires. I DO get the point. 2. You're missing the joke. 3. When you see proper canon depictions of the Reman Empire (preferably as a primary source) call me, on wait, there aren't any so you can't say they were Roman-inspired. 4. lmao "go back to your weeb shit", you've just proven you're so much smarter than me :'(

+Asuka-san 1. There were three Cyrodiilic Empires. 2. If that's what you call a joke, I don't want to know what isn't. 3. I really suggest you play ESO...

1. There were 3 Empires that started in Cyrodiil, that doesn't mean that those Empires are successors to each other, or related in any other way. Get over it, you've got no argument. 2. tbh everything should be joked about 3. Alliance Wars started 200 years after the Reman Empire ended, evidence counter: 0 And other than the helmets everything looks more like Samurai armour from the Akaviri mixed with your regular medieval-fantasy style armors lol.

+Asuka-san 1. Let's see... All three of them are formed by the Imperials, all three of them are warlike, all three of them use comparable armor in their armies, and all three of them strife for similar ideals.... 3. And you clearly do not know how gathering lore works.

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Major allies that declared war on each other in 1812. Allies that blockaded each other's trade. Very odd terms for ally-ship if I do say so myself.

That is true, but America and France very nearly went to war during the Adams presidency despite French aid being the only reason America existed as a country. Perhaps a better choice of words would have been trading partners, which would apply to Skyrim and the Empire as well. In fact, trade is part of why the Federalists were so keen on maintaining close ties with Britain, and they were the dominant political party until they dropped the ball and tried to use war with France as an excuse to turn the Constitution into toilet paper.

Neither the US nor Britain were facing a literal existential threat at the time, so

It did take years for anything close to an alliance to form.

Do you really think Ulfric would have a lot of forces to spare after conqeuring an entire province and having to deal with a rebellion (Forsworn), and what remained of Imperial loyalists?

C0DA makes it cannon

CebuliX NIEN NINE NO NYET!

Nirn is hollow!

It's spherical Drake! SPHERICAL

Damn flat nirners

The Imperials have some of the best armies Tamriel has ever seen. The Nords did not make a difference during the Battle of the Red Ring, the Nords only ensured the Aldmeri that attempted to escape were killed. The Imperials, Bretons, and Redguards were the ones who did most of the fighting.

The second army, largely of Nord legions under General Jonna, took up position near Cheydinhal. The main army was commanded by the Emperor himself, and would undertake the main assault of the Imperial City from the north. On the 30th of Rain's Hand, the bloody Battle of the Red Ring began as General Decianus swept down on the city from the west, while General Jonna's legionnaires drove south along the Red Ring Road. In a two-day assault, Jonna's army crossed the Niben and advanced west, attempting to link up with Decianus's legions and thus surround the Imperial City. Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad. The heroic Nord legionnaires held firm, however, beating off the piecemeal Aldmeri attacks. By the fifth day of the battle, the Aldmeri army in the Imperial City was surrounded. ((So the Nords were facing assaults from two different directions. And if they had not held the entire plan would have failed.)) An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions. ((Again the Nords making the difference here.)) This is all from the ingame lore book A Concise account of the Great War Between the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion, by Legate Justianus Quintius.

Right... You know what else would have resulted in failure? If the Imperial, Breton and Redguard Legions were too weak to defeat *Naarifin's main army which was located in the capital.* The Nords fought off piecemeal attacks, that's not such a grand feat. The Aldmeri attempted to break out after the battle was already over; these were not battle-hardened elves looking for a fight, but morale-deprived elves looking for a way to safety.

So first off, we do not know when the attempt to break out of the Imperial city started. Because anyone with half a fucking brain would go. Hu, we need to get out of here before we are surrounded on all sides. So they tried to break through and it was the Nordic legion that stopped it. Even then, it is besides the point as the most dangerous man alive is the one who has nothing to lose and everything to gain. Even if this was the end of the battle and the Aldmeri forces were weakened, they now know it is break through or die. This will make them fight harder then ever before. "but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad." Now from that line it sounds like it was intense fighting. (The second line contradicts this, so we can't be one hundred percent sure of how hard the fighting was.)

Historical books are written in terms of chronology in mind. The Aldmeri attempt to break out of the city occured *after* the main event had come to pass. ''Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government.'' Only after this part do they mention the attempted break out, which makes sense, because their leader was dead and their main army would be largely destroyed. Desperate soldiers fight worse after an exhausting battle than confident soldiers in the heat of it.

"the only thing keeping the Dominion in Skyrim" FIFY

+Celan Thalmor =/= Dominion But you lack the common sense to realize this.

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What imperials like to forget is that Thalmor is in Skyrim because of them. With all geographical advantages that mentioned, also needs to be mentioned that Stormcloaks side have wealthy Silver-Bloods who would in cooperation with Gray Manes supplied Stormcloaks with weapons and armor, Dawnstar and Windhelm add important ports would also more money and supplies on their side to equip Skyrim soldiers and hire mercenaries. Only Nords would know to travel through the sea of ghost while other wouldn't not knew how. Falkreath except for fool of Jarl seems more Stormcloaks sided then imperial and Riften also from trade would be able to supply Skyrim Army. Winterhold mages have hate towards thalmor and Empire who want to close them. Hjalmaarch population is directly against their Jarl and Whiterun is more Gray-Manes who have connections with Companions and only real Imperial area is Solitude. Invasion of Skyrim is impossible because Skyrim have just few points of entry and those borders are frozen which means the bigger army is, it would easily been destroyed by constant ambush, destroying their supplies, make them suffer so that they goal is faster to get to warmer area where Stormcloaks can wait them rested and destroy them in short fashion. Or just hold them in cold area cutting their retreat line and would soon be decimated. Game mention Battle of Giants Gap where soldier in Sovngarde say that they were ambushed by imperials and they still manage to create shield wall and fight legion until dawns light legion ranks wavered and started to loose ground Just to mention arrogance of Tullius who never listen Rikke advices while Ulfric and Galmar are like real Shield Brothers Considering how most of the major guilds in the game end up on the negative side of the Empire in some fashion. Companions don't give a shit but their main armorer hates the Empire, the College of Winterhold becomes threatened for closure by that one Synod member who literally says that he's going to get the College closed for treason once he reports back to Cyrodil, the Dark Brotherhood straight up murders the emperor while crippling the East Empire Company, the Blades' very existence is treasonously illegal under the Empire, Solsteim has a lingering grudge against the Empire for screwing it over, and the Stormcloaks are the Stormcloaks. There are also a surprisingly large number of quests that simply attack the Empire in various ways with a baffling high body count of Imperial troops. Lights Out destroys and kills an Imperial cargo crew, the Imperial expedition force into the dwemer ruins under Markarth are wiped out, the Imperial expedition into the dwemer ruins with the Elder Scroll is wiped out, that OP-asf mage boss in Meridia's quest has racked up a ton of Imperial (and Stormcloak) bodies, and all but one of the bandit-occupied forts with soldier corpses consist of dead Imperial troops. Stormcloak losses are actually really hard to find in comparison. If anything, most of the game is blatantly pushing the player away from the Empire to the point of using the Imperial Legion as corpse props everywhere like warning totems. Nords are known as Bane of Elves. The Nords once conquered most of Tamriel. Destroyed Snow Elves, they broke the power of the Ayleids, nearly drove the High Elves out of High Rock, and conquered much of Resdayn, the precursor to Morrowind.

Empire and Thalmor are partners in crime. Empire is servant state of Thalmor Empire and Thalmor are only who walks with prisoners who wait horrible death and Player can help them meaning that Empire and Thalmor are in same enemy category. Good thing that you can kill captors and free Nords. Line from LOTR Two Towers Orcs freely enter our lands Unchecked and unbalanced, they kill at will. Just replace Orcs with thalmor. Northwatch Keep, Thalmor Embassy, dead nords around talos monuments all around western Skyrim where evil called empire-thalmor dwells Next TES 6 will be in High Rock and will be another part of empire falling or already did so change of powers will create some turmoils but they will manage it. You can see that from Skyrim when Ulfric say any news from High Rock? IN meaning will they allign themself with us. That is called foreshadowing and throught Skyrim you can see about empire how pathetic is and how will end. What war preparations? Do you think that Thalmor don't know about everything in Cyrodiil? They have their spies everywhere. Empire is broke, legions are weak and Pentus Oculatus is just pathetic to have any sirious role. Thalmor will attack again and Thalmor will won. Thalmor will destroy empire but with some casualties and coalition of allied countries of North Tamriel will be only Humans side thatwill fight for humans. Thalmor have in their pocket imperial nobles and they abduct nords from their homes just because of their religion. Empire keeps imperial Jarls happy with gold and same does Thalmor. Battleborns help Thalmor to capture Nords and there is imperial flag in NORTHWATCH kEEP WHERE INNOCENT PEOPLES ARE TORTURED. These empire is over. Only Cyrodiil will remain and that will be second great war. If imperial were not cowards, they could counter Thalmor lot sooner before Great War but their cowardice brought them to the point where true Human power will be King in the North. And north cannot be held by outside force. Cyrodiil empire is done just like Talos said and new powers will be Skyrim, Hammerfell and High Rock. What Talos said in Morrowind Poor Old Emperor: "The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty." There won't be empire soon. Its clear that bethesda have plan to destroy empire and from 4th era we see how fast everything happen. Comparing Thalmor to Stormcloaks is pathetic because Stormcloaks fight to save them from empire that sink like Titanic while Thalmor are agressors. Empire could left Skyrim alone and continue with their so called war preparations, but Evil never knows where to stop. Same with Thalmor and Empire. Only Stormcloaks fight for right cause which is freedom. Imperial and Thalmor mind cannot understand that but freedom is most important thing in the world. Imperial and Thalmor are both partners in crime against Nords and they are argessors. Dragonborn is depicted as Nord, cannot denied Talos and his reneval of Blades are against laws of empire's master the Thalmor.