based orcs arise

I can get behind that.

Player awakes in Orsinium, every orc nearby, speaking with Ralof's voice "you're finally awake!"

Azura save us from the from the wrath of the Orsimer

all hail malacath

Yoo for real

@@jucalebre7540 it’s a bit sad really, there’s now excuse for it to take this long, even with the pandemic. 15 years minimum is ridiculous 😂

@@ericv738 I’d be surprised if half of the original fan base even have the will to play it when it comes out. We’ll all be married with kids 😂

@@saulgoodman2535 Since I'll be 25 when the game finally comes out, that does seem like an imminent possibility.

@@ericv738 I agree, I understand Bethesda wants to do different things, but they’re not a big enough studio for 3 huge open world IPs

Is what you’re saying, that Alduin only attacked Helgen because the Dragonborn was there? Or are you saying that the empire was about to win aside from the fact that they captured Ulfric?

@@OP5redsolocup Yes

By an event we don't know what happen. The Empire was going to win by an intelligent tactic or simply a lucky strike. We never know. I can say that some stormcloak rat whistle the position of Ulfric and that's how they ambush them and i'm not completely wrong or right because there is no info that certifies or contradict me. So stating that the Empire was winning the war using as base darkwater crossing is unconclusive. What we actually know and is a fact is that ulfric with only a veteran (galmar) and her rebel troops were having a stalemate against a legion of local recruits (meaning Nords against Nords, best human warriors) being helped by imperial legionaires, the support of the court of solitude and also being lead by one of the Best generals of the Empire. I think that quitting darkwater crossing of the equation (and with reason because there is no info about that) is very clear that the stormcloaks were and are the stronger side.

Not necessarily. The rebellion isn't Ulfric. It is Talosians. The Anglosaxons didn't end with the death of King Harold and the Norman victory at the battle of hastings, for example. If Ulfric dies he could become a martyr of the rebellion with an aggrandized mythology that eclipses the real man. Striking him down making him more powerful than ever, to steal a phrase.

@@vulkanofnocturne “You started this War; plunged Skyrim into chaos! …and now the Empire is gonna put you down, and restore the Peace!” -General Tullius Also this: Tullius: "I hope we haven't just created a martyr." Rikke: "There's bound to be resistance. There are many Stormcloak camps tucked away in the hills. They'll no doubt strike whenever and wherever they can. But without Ulfric to inflame their passions, they'll settle down and return to their homes eventually." Tullius: "I pray you're right, Legate. In the meantime, we'll continue to root them out and put them to the sword." …at the *END of the CIVIL WAR* questline.

Well, she wouldn't be the first.

That would be interesting, but knowing today inclination, they will never allow for player free choice (look at KotOR, BG, ME, and so on).

If you saved the world and the Empire they would probably accept a talking skeever.

Throughout the games, it’s usually been a native to the setting that turns out to be the cannon PC (Dunmer as the cannon Nerevarine, Imperial as the cannon Champion of Cyrodiil/New Sheogorath) So any mention of the PC from Skyrim would canonically be a Nord, but would most likely be ambiguous to fit the player’s head cannon. What will most likely be said will be that The Dragonborn would’ve been last seen on Solstheim around 4E 202 / 203 and has disappeared since.

@@justinschultheisz4673 I'm guessing after dealing with miraak he disappears inside hermaous moras realm

I thought Ysmir possessed hjalti to shout through him?

Dragon Break. I mean, uh… different Universe, or Timeline, or… Mmm… Thanos did it! Sh*t. Fire the current writer.

Fudge muppet are being paid by the thalmor spreading False propaganda.

Tiber Septim was originally no Dragon born, not before the dragon break that merged him, the King of Worms, and Ysmir Wulfharth into one entity.

@@Yuudaddy That's kind of a theory, don't blame you though, elder scrolls canon and theory are really hard to distinguish

💯 in reality it won't matter because we will be in a new era but it'll still be interesting to find out what happened to all these charectars but imagine them just saying "fuck it we ain't even gonna cover it." 😭

The hero of Oblivion becomes a Daedric prince and is one you meet in Skyrim so its been done before

@@s7robin105 Sheogorath is definitely my favorite daedric prince.

Except the Aldmeri Dominion formed and the Great War and then Skyrim civil war happened because of the Oblivion Crisis. Had it not occured, all those events would've never happened.

@@youtubeshadowbannedme And what part did the player have in any of that? The player in Oblivion is nothing more than Martin's sidekick. The Nerevarine in Morrowind is more important than the Hero of Kvatch in Oblivion. Speaking of Morrowind, how much of Morrowind effected events in Cyrodiil during the Oblivion Crisis? Or even better, how about that Dragon Break, that ultimate example of "who cares what you did, everything that could happen did happen" which replaces the multiple endings of Daggerfall? Nothing. Nothing you, as the player, do matters as far as the next game in the Elder Scrolls. The main story will always happen, then the PC will disappear into legend, only to be replaced with the next game's PC.

This is such a load of fucking crap 😂 if you look into it objectively it’s the Stormcloaks who are just and who are right, the Nords deserve their freedom and their independence

Bruh this is literally just all based on fan theory from non-cannon sources 🤦‍♂️

This video is bullshit

By your logic, Nerevarine would have been ruling Morrowind

@@Henrex2000 Nerevarine *should* have been ruling Morrowind.

Unless you get rid of Delphine the Idiot good luck getting the Blades and the Dragons to be freinds

If only bethesda didn't set up the DLC's in a way that makes Hermeus Mora capture the dragonborn in his pocket of oblivion and makes him his new champion. So no emperor/empress throne for you

The Amulet of Kings was destroyed and the deal was finished.

That’s a lame trick they’ve already done. It shouldn’t be overused. Some people are going to be let down. I hate to say it but even if their reasons are good I do not think a stormcloak victory is ultimately is better than an imperial one. Lots of wishful thinking about northern alliances and using a specific condition in Hammerfell to illustrate how they will ultimately prevail. The war was a bad idea. But how do you tell the passionate supporters (and players) that?

That would be very lame!

@@TheMeestLord yeah I don't like the idea, just never heard mention of the possibility. And I don't think people understand that the empire left tons of discharged troops in Hammerfell to keep fighting. I'm generally imperial, I understand the stormcloaks but if they win tamriel loses. Divide and conquer. A strong unified empire is the best chance. And yes, people just assume there would be great alliances of the independent provinces that would just be perfectly coordinated together and everything and that's just not realistically very likely to happen.

I don't think they'll dragonbreak Skyrim's story away. But they've talked about how much they're looking to Daggerfall for inspiration and TES 6 will be set on the same landmass. I think they'll end TES 6 with a Dragonbreak just like Daggerfall.

It dumb and lazy when they did it with daggerfalls ending, and I don’t want it with Skyrims ending. It would be even worse with Skyrims ending because it wouldn’t even be unique.

At the end of the day stormcloak or imperial victory, assuming the empire really arent cucks both sides will end up fighting against the thalmor eventually. only question be if the empire enforces their will on skyrim, or if skyrim is the empire's ally in the war.

There is no way that the Stormcloak Jarls would fight a war against the Empire just to put Elisif on the throne, nor would they trust her not to just surrender to the Empire. Not to mention, the common Nords would be supporting Ulfric. Putting Elisif on the throne would lead to another civil war that would ultimately result in Ulfric dissolving the Moot and making himself High King by force.

@@galacticknight55544 Jarl Ulfric dissolving the moot is probable, but unlikely.

Redfall is the name of Arkane’s vampire shooter game, not TES VI.

Please no more huge time jumps. It might take a century for TES6 to come out, but I hope it is set no more than a decade after Skyrim.

Nah if anything if the stormcloaks win the jarls end up electing the Dragonborn

There hardly any real lore here

And then they sent us to Solstheim, where the Last Dragonborn was forced to not only help Hermaeus Mora (to save everybody one last time), but to read AND seek out the hidden knowledge of a mind-corrupting Black Book to do so. And odds are, they did it with way more than just one Black Book. ...I'm worried about the Dragonborn, guys hahahaha.

If they wrote out the Neravarine, the Hero of Kvatch, as well as each of the previous hero's, I doubt the Last Dragonborn will not be written out of the story as well, especially after the Dragonborn DLC and reading multiple Black Books. You can add up what you want but there's already a pattern that has emerged over the series.

Nahhh he/she is hanging out in Apocrypha forever

​​​@@donovanfaust3227This is true, and mostly lazy writing on Bethesdas part. The Dragonborn could still become the Emperor, though, and be written out just as easily due to the passage of time. It all depends on how far in the future the next title is going to be. I have a feeling it's going to be another 200 years minimum, to avoid overlapping timeliness that early TES games faced, like Oblivion only being a few years after Morrowind. Also because Skyrim came out well over 10 years ago, and having the next game be a significant time jump would help distance itself from it. This frees them up to do what they want without being held down by the prior games events. The Dragonborn is too big and too important to the Empire to simply ignore. Depending on what they do and if there is still an Emperor, it could be said that they are descendants of The Last Dragonborn. As for the events of Apocrypha, I don't think the Daedric Prince ever had a hold on the Last Dragonborn the way he had on Miraak, due to him simply being able to leave the realm at will, which Miraak was never able to do, and left Hermaeus Mora in disbelief. Though I admit it is ominous when he says something like "you shall return someday" at the end. This last part may be headcanon, but I like to subscribe to the idea that the Last Dragonborn is an aspect of Shor, which is why you could sit in his throne in Sovengard and why The Daedric Prince had no real hold over him/her in Apocrypha.

Delphine is the reason why I will never bring the blades back

Also I have no leanings either way. I think I went with Stormcloaks in my first playthrough but since have done either, mostly avoiding it. Both sides have the same amount of positive and negative traits. And there’s always the possibility that an independent Skyrim could fight beside the empire to stave off Aldmeri takeover. (Irl: Look how many countries are now allies only 80 years after they were enemies in WW2)

@No Considering the Emperor will probably be the faceless player character from Skyrim, as it is their rightful throne as dragonborn, who knows what will happen. There is a "Mysterious Hero" who plays major roles in the first great war if you read the full story of it, definitely a protagonist of a future game right there, probably not es6, but yeah.

@No I think the people would want the dragonborn as emperor regardless of what mede's heir wants, and it would likely bring more unity to crown him than to not, as everyone agrees a dragonborn should be on the throne because they see it as the gods choosing them. But I do see your point, and it is probably what's going to happen as it follows the pattern.

always wanted to do that kind of playthrough.

„pushing back"

My Elf prince helped, Their fight for freedom to worship

"its just as fair to say the Dragonborn sides with the Stormcloaks and ally with other provinces." The issue with this is the groups the Stormcloaks would be allying with have already fought the Aldmeri Dominion back when they were more unified and fresher. They had more resources, better logistics and just a better chance. Now, the Stormcloaks would have gone through a long, bloody war and been weakened. As would the remnants of the Empire, or the people of Cyrodil post-Empire. That is the same whether the Empire or Stormcloaks win, but the thing that changes if the Stormcloaks win is the logistics and willingness for all the different groups to work together. Sure, we could argue the Stormcloaks ally with the remnants of the Empire, but it wouldn't have any of the cohesion the Empire had. The groups would be independent and only loosely coupled. The U.S. saw how that worked out immediately after the Revolutionary War. There was no cohesion between the states so most unified actions were nearly impossible. The different groups will see themselves as different and cooperation becomes more tricky than if the groups see themselves as a cohesive whole. Now, normal strategy immediately becomes a diplomatic game of who is going to come out ahead and who is going to take the biggest hits. I doubt Morrowind is willing to send a bunch of their soldiers off to die fighting the Aldmeri Dominion at the request of the Stormcloaks even if it is strategically sound. Now they have to worry about the long-term and having a bitter rival on their doorsteps without the unifying aspect of the Empire keeping them secure. "Outside of Dragonborn intervention, Ulfric has show he's willing to work with other races, as seen with him sending letters to Highrock for aid against the Empire." I also see this as a kind of funny thought because, while Ulfric may be willing to work with other races, his base certainly isn't. So, I'm not sure if Ulfric decides to start working along with the other races that he won't just have the Stormcloak Rebellion pt. 2, this time against himself. That's the problem with inflaming base emotions to fuel mistrust - it doesn't just turn off when it's convenient. All in all, I don't really see a way to have the Aldmeri Dominion lose without some hail mary mcguffin in ESVI. The second the Stormcloak rebellion started, the Aldmeri gained a big advantage. The only benefit to the other side was the Dragonborn coming and stopping it from bleeding both sides to death. Now, they're just grievously wounded.

@@Cyrathil The second treaty of Stros M'kai was signed in 4th Era 180, 21 years before the events if Skyrim. I believe that's enough time for Redguards to replenish a generation of potential fighters. With the Crowns and Forebears unified, they may already have a decent fighting force. Maybe not enough to war with the Dominion alone, but with the allying of others its possible. Neither the Stormcloaks nor the Empire really have the cohesion the early 4th and late 3rd Era Empire once had. They either force Skyrim back into the Empire, still maintaining the tensions of the civilian populace, or lose Skyrim and be left at the mercy of the Dominion. As far as Ulfrics base not being willing to work with other races, thats debatable. The standard propaganda of the Empire is that all the Nords who support Ulfric are racists who want to rid Skyrim of all outsiders. While this is true to an extent, most of the Nordic racial hatred is directed most prominently at Elven and Beast folk. Sure they may have a contempt for other races of men, but even in the heart of Windhelm, there are Imperials and Bretons that live in the prosperous parts of the city. This is hard to discern due to Windhelm being ridiculously small in game, but I think its safe to assume that within a lore sized province. Most Nords would be more willing to work with the races of man against the Elves or a common threat. True, there's no hope for long lasting unity amongst the provinces, but they don't need that to defeat the Dominion (unless they half-ass it and let the Dominion off under a treaty). Even in lore there are instances of provinces forming unlikely alliances to defeat a common enemy. The Dunmer allying with the Nords and Argonians to defeat the Frost demons of Akavir for example. Its possible that the same could happen here. I didn't even mention Morrowind, they hate the Empire and dislike the Nords so either way they likely wouldn't even factor in. Although I do agree, the Dominion is the most likely to win in truth, from a writing standpoint. Although overall, I expect the Empire to pull off the impossible with another doom driven hero of fate saving humanity at the last minute.

I love this debate

I agree with every thing else just not the first bit, if you think the Mede Empire is just going to allow the dragonborn to take their throne you clearly don't understand medieval Politics, the Dragonborn has a Legitimate claim to the ruby throne unlike the Mede who claimed it via Conquest killing the Old empire in the Process as soon as the civil war is over Tullius will get orders to arrest and execute the dragonborn Orders from the Emperor him self. Dragonborn siding with Ulfric makes sense from a non dragonborn Prisoner sense and after the destiny of Dragonborn revealed sense as Ulfric can help the Dragonborn Legitimately claim the throne sends spies and messengers to the other human Provinces about his return and letters to the Count/countess of Cyrodill. from their the people and Lords will choose their side, plus the medes might send assassins and the Dragonborn can use that as fuel to his/her cause.

@@CommanderM117 well I was responding to Drews idea and many others who believe the Dragonborn could become emperor. Its why I said: "if the Dragonborn sides with the empire and becomes emperor, its just as fair to say he/she sides with Ulfric and allies with other provinces, eventually becoming Emperor". Personally I'm not a fan of either of these idea's. Making the Dragonborn Emperor is a bit too railroaded in my opinion. I'd prefer they left the Dovahkiin's ending loose enough for the player to decide what happened to them in the next game.

Warsaw Pact/NATO setup.

Unless of course, you’re playing a really old fashioned elven character.

Didn't the Thalmor's dossier on Ulric imply he is a sleeper agent in some way that could be activated to their advantage?

@@thaliazelmer2327 The dossier changes based on what side you chose to back to make it seem you picked the right one.

@@wessmoore7894 It doesn't change.

@@thaliazelmer2327 Nope, the Thalmor dossier for Ulfric says that he is an "Uncooperative asset", in other words his rebellion is useful but he isn't in any way willing to work with the Thalmor, because he hates them. The whole thing condensed essentially reveals that during the great war, the Thalmor captured and tortured Ulfric for information, making him believe that he was the reason they captured the imperial city even though the city fell before Ulfric revealed anything under torture. Ulfric then became riddled with guilt, because he thinks the White-Gold Concordat was his fault, and the Thalmor later on prodded him to cause the Markarth incident, but at the same time he proved to be "uncooperative to direct contact". Ulfic started the rebellion because he's trying to "fix what he broke" in his own mind, because the worship of Talos and freedom of the Nords are super important to him, and all this time he's thought that it's his weakness for breaking under torture that has allowed the Thalmor to terrorise people in Skyrim and ban Talos worship.

@@BabySniff Everyone just did it behind closed doors with no fuss. Ulfric is the one who forced the Empire into cracking down on it.

​@@badluck5647 But, those who did it behind closed doors were opening themselves up to oppression. "Do what I say or I report your Talos worship to the Authorities" is literally something the DB can do in Skyrim. One could even argue that outlawing Talos worship in the first place is part of a plan for the Dominion to arrest any Nord or Imperial that they don't like for whatever reason and still appear legitimate. Not that I personally think Talos is a figure worthy of worship, but it's foolish to say the best course of action is simply breaking the law and making no attempt to change it. Maybe for the average person in a bad situation I can excuse it, but not someone who's supposed to be a leader. Very shortsighted, and the elves are playing the long game.

I don't think its fair to blame him for that. It was outlawed and inevitable that the dominion would eventually start prosecuting the worshippers of talos.

Facts. He butchered civilians and then gets the Law cracked down even harder. Ulfric is his own worst enemy

People were smoking pot behind doors most white people were never bothered but black people had to suffer long sentences for it. In skyrim probably the same all the poor n disenfranchised folk get to be persecuted while cowards act like nothing is happening.

Agreed. Additionally, the Empire has already lost several of its holdings to the Thalmor, be it during the Great War or in the aftermath of the White-Gold Concordat (looking at Hammerfell specifically for the latter). Even if the Empire wins the Civil War in Skyrim, they'll still have to reclaim the other provinces - a task made all the harder by the Empire slowly crumbling away. In contrast, the Stormcloaks are a new 'faction', but should they win the Civil War, they'd prove their own might against the Thalmor - something that the Redguards would likely appreciate, and that appreciation and kinship could be a unifying factor between the two, along with their respective victories over the Thalmor. They may have to convince the other provinces of their might and ability, but they'd have an easier time of it than a crumbling Empire. (I say this as someone who likes the Empire, as an aside. I have a lot of fond memories of Cyrodiil, and I like the idea of the Empire continuing to exist in Tamriel as an active faction. That said, though... well, one has to weigh everything.)

​@@Hexium_Vexium -- The Stormcloaks winning the Civil War doesn't prove their superiority over the Thalmor.. It only proves that they're willing to kill their own to win a pointless argument. A wise Hammerfell or High Rock leader will see this. Besides, Ulfric's reputation would spread there, and they would know that he was captured during the Dominion War, and that he also started a war just to become High King. No matter how you try to spin it, either by being a good guy or by being power hungry, THAT was always the goal. Those leaders, realistically, would see that and question why they should ally with someone as questionably sus as Ulfric.

@@GyorBox It is absolutely not a 'pointless argument.'

I think it would be far more interesting for the Empire to loose to the Stormcloaks which allows High Rock to just quietly slip away as well. The Kingdom of Cyrodiil, not the Empire.

@@ajsouza3720 the whole point of the war was so the storm cloaks could weaken the empire further so yes the war is very pointless beacuse it only furthers the goals of the damn elves.

We don't know for certain the full mechanics behind how Dragonblood is passed on. If it is fully hereditary, than the 'Last Dragonborn' means 'last LINE of Dragonborns' not necessarily the very last. The Septims, from what we can tell, are all a direct linage. At least Uriel VII and Martin seem to be certain they are directly descended from Tiber Septim. The Remens had 3 named Remens but we don't really know the relation that the others like Kastav had, possibly brothers, possibly completely unrelated, we just don't know. The First Empire, the bloodline seems to be all over the damn place since there's no evidence that Alessia had kids or that she was related to Morhaus for instance. BUT, there's also no evidence against the possibility that they were all just different lines of dragonborns. The Blades went looking for other lines of Dragonborn after the Oblivion crisis, it possible they knew about other lines in the past that have died out. There's simply too many unknowns with how it all works that we can't say with any certainty what is meant by 'Last Dragonborn'. I personally think Bethesda will keep the Dragonborn around in the series, probably as the shadowy leader of the reformed Blades in TES:VI at the very least. Just simply too central to the lore and worldbuilding. Also Skyrim was a huge market success, they need some nod to the huge influx of fans the Elder Scrolls got in 2011 for a long time to come. They simply can't just have the Dragonborn fade away completely like past games. No complete vanishing acts with no plot future impacts like the Nevervine or running off to Oblivion like the Champion of Cyrodiil, but running the Blades from the shadows. You're very correct that the Dragonborn doesn't need to wear the Amulet of kings anymore, nor does there really need to be a Dragonborn Emperor to hold back Oblivion since Martins sacrifice. But a Dragonborn problem solver in the shadows is something Tamriel could certainly use. It'd also allow the Blades to remain a joinable faction in future games, with questlines just like the Fighters Guild or Thieves Guild. They could be tangential to the Main story or be the main story quests like in Morrowind. The Dragonborn would remains an active player in Tamriel, as a faction leader running the Blades and probably ending up with the new Player character being the regional leader of the Blades in Hammerfell with TES:VI. For future games beyond 6, that's super speculation land and I doubt it's helpful to go there.

Ulfric has already been seen to work with the thalmor and the thalmors plan to help the stormcloaks get independence was to remove the alliance of men, its a part of their grand strategy against the empire. On talos he is only an aedra and therefore offers little practical support to the humans, espicially if only skyrim is worshipping him which is what happens if the stormcloaks win.

I am pretty sure that gods in TES do not work that way. Having more worshippers changes nothing.

@@Meshifuari it does, more worship for aedra affects their power and influence but it can also affect how they take shape, for example akatosh (the god of time) was oringally worshipped as auri-el in the altmer pantheon and the god of time was accepted to be auri-el. it's has less affect of the daedra but still holds some influence on their power. To further back this up this is the entire reason the altmer forbade the worship of Talos in the white-gold concordat, to weaken the 'human' gods power

@@joelbattyman79 Where was it ever stated tho? I have played every game and been deep into the lore but this is the first time ever that I have heard about worship giving power to aedra... Like at all.

@@Meshifuari read king Edward book XII in daggerfall, this subject is discussed but a quote from it says, "when a goddess loses worshippers, her inflow of mid-level magicka is decreased, so she in-turn produces less god level magicka"

That is, following the lore, a great nonsense. The Empire has all his legions almost destroyed after great war. The remaining ones are in cyrodill protecting the sobereign of the Empire. So it's logistically stupid to move a single legion to skyrim because that would mean letting cyrodill open to an attack of the Thalmor. It's literally the reason why Tullius legion is filled of local recruits and only some few legionaires. So that of the Empire having legions outside of skyrim is most likely propaganda to make fear the stormcloaks when they read it or Bethesda poor writing. But it's not true, because the lore contradicts that. And again that's bullshit, and you don't know the lore. Skyrim is the only province with High Rock that still have the sufficient manpower to make an army. They literally never were directly in the great war and were only used some legions of Nords, not all of them. And those few legions were the responsibles of allow that Mede escaped from the capital and the principal responsibles of killing the majority of the Thalmor army during Red Ring (and in inferiority and surrounded against the best battlemages of the continent, so clearly the Nords can fight against magic). They are no teenagers dumbass, the major part of the stormcloaks are veterans and the same ones that anhiliate the Thalmor army. Those soldiers with rusty swords were the principal responsibles of winning the war and were always the principal manpower of the Empire during all his history. It's a stalemate precisely because are Nords against Nords, the Best ones against the Best ones. If the legion of Tullius was filled with only imperials the stormcloaks would have won a long time ago. An imperial win is not canonic and it's not realistic if you know and analyze the lore. Don't say nonsenses. An independent skyrim is the best outcome and can defend their land better without the concordat chains and the shitty logistic of the Empire. The redguards already prove that.

Their isnt a full might the empire losy 90% of its teritory between obluvion and skyrim it hasnt git taht type of man power

That was before the dragons return tho

Ulfric is a great man and did nothing wrong

stormcloak suuuuuck

@@mrluthfians01 perfect, I've always wanted the authentic Ulfric Stormcloak succ experience!💦 /s lmao

@@mrluthfians01 suck the souls of imperials right out of tamriel

i view Ulfric as more of a threat then i do the Thalmor. I kill their patrols all the time. As a vampire, i see him asa threat to Castle Volkihar. There's nothing to stop him from attacking us if he wins the war.

@@MLPDethDealr32 hear me out tho thalmor agents are more of a challenge than stormcloak footsoldiers

What you writted is so much all the truth that I believe like with the elderscroll, it blind the foolish who try to read it, explaining why there is so many who seem to don't know any of it. That and the Thalmor snake.

Not having nords from skyrim makes the imperial army much weaker. If skyrim was ruled by the stormcloaks the dominion would easily stomp them after beating the empire because they are so weak after dealing and losing to the stormcloaks. Imperial victory over the stormcloaks is the last thing the dominion wants.

@@kylerBD 1) why would the dominion invade cyrodiil after the conclusion of the civil war? IF they were planning to do that in the near future, they would've done it when it was most optimal: *during* the civil war. While it could be argued that they would be hesitant to provide a greater common enemy to the humans and cause them to cease their internal fighting to unite against the dominion, this would take some time. The initial momentum benefits of invading when so many humans are currently tied up far to the north would probably outweigh that concern. 2) If the dominion invades anywhere after the civil war, it probably wouldn't be cyrodiil. Remember: they already have de facto control over cyrodiil. They don't want to conquer land just to conquer it in the usual imperialist fashion. They ultimately want to conquer land to reduce talos worship as much as possible, in addition to anything else that will further their world-ending goals. If they can achieve this without open war, they will go that route every day of the week. Elves lose to humans in wars of attrition. They do not want to just throw mer bodies at men. 3. The majority of nords who cared enough to fight the empire (the ones you're worried about losing in the potential war vs the dominion) would be more than willing to head south to fight the dominion in cyrodiil, should they invade. This idea that people must be united under the same political banner in order to effectively join forces militarily... it's annoyingly pervasive, and it's wrong. A civil-war-victorious stormcloak army is also going to be more enthusiastic about taking the fight to the dominion than a defeated one which is forced to fight for the gutless empire they were just rebelling against.

@@kylerBD Imagine trying to invade Skyrim. It's bordered on all sides by near impassible mountains and a notoriously rough sea. The Dominion could never get a toehold in a region which utterly despises them.

@@ajsouza3720 The dominion would utterly and totally destroy skyrim in the event of a stormcloak victory. Without the support of the empire the nords of skyrim wouldnt even stand a chance. The empire was nearly completely destroyed by the dominion while it still had full suport from all the human nations of tamriel. Imagine the nords trying to stand against that they would be obliterated.

Fortunately, Bethesda already created a handy solution for there problems. A Dragon Break.

@@Nerazmus Yup

They're coming don't you worry :)

Well you can thank ulfric & his lieutenants for that

Ulfric was definitely the aggressor here. When you complete the civil war quest line with the Empire, General Tulius makes it clear that the treaty was only signed to buy the empire time so that they can rebuild their strength and their numbers. And as soon as the empire is strong enough, they will double cross the Thalmor and reclaim Tamriel.

What do you think the Great War was? They were fighting the Dominion but they were losing so they needed a break. Skyrim can't stand against the Dominion and the empire can't help for the meantime. The best play is to rebuild before reclaiming the empire.

@@alistairgrey5089 If the Dominion could have destroyed the Empire, they wouldn't have signed with the Concordat either. Titus Mede II just didn't have the stomach to continue war. For wartime, we need warlike leaders.

@@DarkAdonisVyers you don't think so? The Dominion can't conquer the empire, that was never their goal. They only wanted to occupy it and control it. This is where they succeeded. If Skyrim stood alone they would meet the same fate as every other province that stood alone.

This guy gets it

Its much worse than a shadow they also lost morrowind and black marsh

The Thalmor are not as strong as they would like us to believe. I mean, post-war Hammerfell was able to kick their arses.

@@Nerazmus Yep, and people ignore the Altmers' low birth rate, and the fact that they purge Bosmeri populations which can only lead to unreast. At the very least the Dominion is depriving themselves of bodies for the meat grinder, if not actively fomenting rebellion within their own borders.

@@greenfrogbad Indeed. Just the fact Thalmor were force into a peace deal says everything.

@@Nerazmus ''Kick their arses''? The Dominion spared Hammerfell. It took Hammerfell five years to finally fight the Aldmeri to a standstill. That's not 'kicking their arses', that's struggling to grind them to a halt.

​​@@dutchpatriot17lso The Empire Helped Hammerfell For Some motive Stormcloack Supporters Ignore The Fact that The Imperial Legion on Hammerfell Apparently "Deserted" With Full Gear and Manpower,Hammerfell is Allied with the Empire they will probabily Rejoin when the War Kickstarts again.

After losing his Heart, Lorkhan became a series of reincarnating humans. One of the more famous earlier ones was Pelinal, but it is theorized that Tiber Septim is one of his later ones.

Imagine trying to greentext outside of a Bhutanese Tsharzo forum.

Hmm I'm not sure if that applies as sunk cost fallacy if he actually has a chance at winning and no real alternatives, there is definitely such a thing as a point of no return. He and his cohorts will end up like Roggvir if they stop fighting

@@tatwood93 "I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing" is exactly sunk cost. He is barely scratching it, not quite there, but that is sunk cost. He could side with the empire to bide time for the Thalmor war everyone knows is coming, but that would make his rebellion thus far pointless. Even if the stormcloaks win they will still ally with the empire against the thalmor anyway probably.

@@shimozu92 It's true that Ulfric has "a sunk cost" and he knows it, but actually completing any substantial project requires one to sink in costs and have the confidence to persevere even when things look like they might not work out. IMO in a true sunk cost fallacy the erroneous actor also has an easier way out rather than the headsman or torture room being their alternative. Yes, the sunk cost fallacy exists, however, one can actually waste resources, time, and men by giving up too early as well. I would definitely say it was fallacious if sunk cost was his only reason, but it's one argument on a list of many and the others reinforce why the major goal needs to be achieved. Yes, winning the war won't bring those men back, but it's the reason they died in the first place, under the assumption that others would continue the fight after them

@@tatwood93 It just feels like a forced conflict for the sake of the game to me. Never made sense to me that they would fight each other knowing that the real war with the Thalmor isn't over, and that several provinces can stand against the thalmor on their own let alone if they all worked together. Seems to me like the Empire, Stormcloaks, Hammerfell, Highrock, Argonians, and rebels in the dominion provinces should be bolstering against the thalmor. Surely Ulfric knows this, and that the empire will return to Talos worship after beating the Thalmor. Maybe I'm just sick of the civil war story and want the main story moved forward quicker than every 15 years😢

@@shimozu92 I feel that. Honestly though, learning more about the lore and who Tiber Septim really was has added a lot more layers to this tired old story for me. IMO the civil war situation is really well done and ties into previous games in a big but subtle way. I tend to chalk the lack of unity against the Dominion up to "The Thalmor threat has been overblown to the citizenry by competing factions both looking to consolidate power" Obviously it was written to be as controversial as possible where no one side is 100% in the right, that's part of why we're still having this discussion today and why Skyrim is one of the most popular games of all time. That being said, even if there is a 2nd Great War, the Empire wins, and Talos worship is instantly reinstated, what would you say to those who have already been captured, tortured, etc by the Thalmor for their religion? At the time of the game, people are actively being "disappeared" by the Thalmor, and that's supposed to be okay because the Empire "might" win another war that "might" be 100 years from now? The real solution is aggressive separation of church and state, so that people who have done no wrong don't end up harmed, but that's just boring. Ulfric is right about the Talos worship, and the Dominion encroaching on his sovereignty, but wrong about things like sacking Whiterun to install a puppet leader. Also worth mentioning that Ulfric hasn't had 10 years to think about things, while some of the Aldmeri have had hundreds or thousands

1. Hammerfell hardly ''beat'' the Dominion. They continued to lose land for five years before they halted the Aldmeri advance, then signed their own peace treaty. 2. Hammerfell had a ton of Legion veterans who were left behind by General Decianus in 173. 3. Hammerfell did not face the full might of the Dominion.

@@dutchpatriot17 Well, they didn't "lose" a victory is a victory take it or leave it. The fact of the matter is for all their talk of superiority they couldn't, even with some of their might, beat "meager humans" they wouldn't need all of their forces to do so if they were so powerful. They couldn't accomplish what they set out to do, they failed, they lost. You can lose battles and win the war. Says something that the Aldmeri Dominion never came back for a rematch.

@@TheUnseenPath Hammerfell won a "victory" because the Dominion spared them. Again, it's canon that without the Concordat the entire Empire would've fallen.

I would definitely want to see a more nuanced Thalmor as well. However the way Bethesda has written them, I feel the only way we would see a more complex faction is to have a schism within the Thalmor. That could be something introduced in TESVI with side characters, but you'd only really see how divided the faction is if the setting was on Summerset itself.

Altmer culture led to the Thalmor. Their superiority complex exists without them. The Thalmor is what you get when Altmer beliefs become radicalized and militarized. Fuck ‘em. They’re going down the road of the Ayleids and they deserve the same fate. It was the old ehlnofey that started this shit by rejecting the wanderers. Individual Altmer might be nice and their cultural achievements are impressive and influential but their culture and beliefs are poison. They’re so invested in it they’d rather die than have to find a new way.

And high level bureaucratic infighting like the Synod and College of Whispers.

I'm with you man. I obliterated the imperials with a kajiit named Death Kitty

The Redguards stopped the invasion only because they had the help of "retired" imperial soldiers. Skyrim won't have that luxury.

@@chainsaw8507 so i have to ask, that's the only way to win? An invasion of the land of skyrim by the AD is not something simple, the AD would be vulnerable to the other provinces.

@@chainsaw8507 if you really want to take campfire stories told in a cheap, discontinued, cash grab licensed card game called "Legends" as canon, the AD no longer has the Eye of Vaermina. The Dominion has three approaches against Skyrim, all are poor. From the south through Cyrodill which will cause another GW with Hammerfell at least aiding materialy if not directly, regardless of the aid in "Legends" from the discharged legions as a simple matter of pragmatism. Around the coast of Highrock skirting the Azurian ocean and through the sea of ghosts to lay siege to Solitude, assuming the Imperial, Redguard and Breton navies would allow such a huge aramada to sail by uncontested with the blatant intent of invasion. Even if the AD sent the Empire a letter saying "don't worry about the majority of navy mobilizing with what is cleary an invasion and occupation force, we only want to attack Skyrim not you. We have a deal, remember? :) ;) XD

I’m happy you came around! The empire is far from perfect and desperately needs a strong emperor and dynasty but unity is what is needed and the empire is a more feasible way. Writing wrongs and giving semi autonomy should come after the dominion is beaten with a United humanity.

@@TheMeestLord No, the empire is the worst choice. It dooms the world. Stormcloaks are really the only option for the future of Skyrim and Tamriel. The empire is corrupt, weak, and better off just stating in Cyrodiil.

I didn't give my sweat and blood for Martin Septim do fight for some weakass Meads.

The Empire lost it's Divine Mandate with his sacrifice.

That took a full century, a change in the British dynasty and some hefty reconciliation on behalf of both parties... Wasn't just the mutual interests and culture, it was time and concentrated diplomatic effort. If TES:VI is only a decade or two after Skyrim, I doubt any such reconciliation will have happened by then.

@@Lusa_Iceheart if the Empire doesn't make an alliance they will fall without the Nords and the Redguards defending them of the Thalmor. But i won't be surprise that the Empire would be stupid enough to not make a quickly alliance after an indepent Skyrim. They already demonstrated their incompetence.

@@Lusa_Iceheart It didn't take a full century, the US and UK were formally allies in 1785. They weren't chummy until WW2 but we aren't looking for chummy, we are looking for coalition.

@@lelandwhitehead56 War of 1812

Victory!!! Or Sovngarde!!!

@@greenfrogbad BASED

*Snow elves

Absolutely. Imagine being an everyday citizen in Skyrim and the Thalmor have free reign to drag people out of their homes at night to be executed for the god they worship. I don't think there would be as much division on the subject with that going on

@@TaxFraudTutorials That's a big part of why I side with the Stormcloaks. The fact that the Thalmor are able to do that means that the Empire has failed the most fundamental duty of government, which is to protect its population from foreign invasion.

I don't mind the Empire ruled by a proper Shezarrine, but Titus Mede II is not that. If not that, then the Stormcloaks may as well cleave Skyrim from this Lorkhan-less Empire, at least until a proper Shezarrine rules Tamriel. Then we will have peace.

Under the Septim dynasty the Empire ruled by Divine Right, as Tiber Septim became Talos he manteled the position of Shor/Lorkhan. The Mede dynasty were just warlords. Competent perhaps for consolidating power, but not chosen by any god.

the dragonborn isn't all powerful, did you play skyrim on the easiest difficulty?