Don´t worry, shows your integrity🌻

No problem dear Sabine. Your information is fantastic.

Thanks for correcting yourself. It's nice to be reminded that journalism isn't totally dead and buried yet.

I had tried to verify that information to use in a presentation that I gave yesterday. I found the same thing you did in your correction. Perhaps your video descriptions could link sources, so things aren't quite so difficult to verify?

Thats show your working style - only positive!

CONDENSED AIR CAR ON KZfaq COSTS NEXT TO NOTHING TO FUEL INVENTED BY FRENCHMAN IN EARLY 2000 NOW SOUPED UP TOO BOTH ARE ON KZfaq AND COST NEXT TO NOTHING TO FUEL

I just got solar, and your plan was my plan, but with current gas use of around $15/week, the inevitable battery replacement cost negates my savings. Furthermore, the price of the EV is more to begin with (not to mention the investment in the panels). I'm all for the environment, but relying on a relatively few amount of people to save the environment is not going to work. The solar/EV solution needs to be financially attractive to a lot of people. Again, I'm all for the environment, and I'm glad that you're benefiting at the moment, but if this doesn't scale up in a sustainable way, it's going to hurt more than help.

@@chrisdonovan8795 "the inevitable battery replacement cost negates my savings." What are you thinking is the lifecycle of EV batteries?

My coworker has installed solar panels to his house which powers the house completely, charges both of his electric vehicles, and has sufficient power remaining to send power to the grid. He gets paid by the power company monthly for power return. Yes its expensive upfront ($30k) but with his 10 year warranty on the solar panels, he will come out ahead no doubt.

@@chrisdonovan8795 I may or may not break even. However, if the utilities scale up solar, there will be more than enough power for people to charge during the day (especially here in Phoenix). The Russian use of natural gas to blackmail Europe pushed me over the edge to get solar.

EV use alot more tyre rubber! 15k miles average lif expectancy is 1/3-1/4 of ICE (due to acceleration and weight)

I have a Toyota hybrid RAV4 with 68,000 miles with no mechanical, electrical, or electronic issues. Toyota services the car at the recommended intervals. The hybrid RAV4 I had previously, had 85,000 miles with no problems. Both achieved 50% improved fuel economy over the standard RAV4 model I had some time ago.

@@carrickrichards2457 due to the foot

Hybrids are not soo much more complicated compared to ICEs since electric has so few points of failure and combustion engines themselves are already so extremely complex. Pure BEVs have a clear advantage here but other clear disadvantages as well. I would think the lower usage of your combution engine would more than make up for the extra usage (and existance) of electric components. So I would not really worry about the extra maintenance and repairs form Hybrids compared to pure ICEs. I drive a plugin hybrid and have roughly 30-50% of my total distance driven electrically. Especially really short trips where your engine barely gets warm (in town or to work) I drive solely on electric. So I hope the combustion engine will last longer than it would do without the electric motor.

You haven’t driven a Toyota

There is something fishy going on all right . . .

Not more coalmines, they closing in about 6 years. A German

@@tonyduncan9852 could be the russians using ngo's etc to strike back at the Germans to internally destabilize them, dont count that option out

​@@tonyduncan9852 nothing fishy here, just idiots making and influencing decissions sadly.

That's because environmentalists in Germany are loud and active, but not very smart. They fought for decades against nuclear power, and only some are realizing now that renewables without storage can't power a nation like Germany. Also they are pretty divided in what to fight - the EV factory is bad for the water, or some rare squirrel that nests there? The factory has to go.

I did that 27 years ago. And still do it that way. However, i do live in Norway, and with a short distance to work, that is pretty much all i need when it comes down to daily transport. Yes, i know i am fairly lucky beeing able to only depend on my (electric) bicycle. I've no problems with other people who see cars as better suited for their transportation needs though. And i can't deny that cars may be better suited for larger cargo. Still, driving a car is like moving 1 or 2 tons of plastic and metal and enjoying the ride. I do wonder sometimes how much of the energy is actually used to move the driver , since the driver is probaly 10-20 times lighter then the car itself.

Done, although cheated and kept the car for hauling family couple of times a week, so actually I haven't, love using my bike through its the first choice if I can

Keep in mind, that cargo bikes don't come with air condition.

An electric cargo bike is a much better idea for the environment than owning a car. It gets most of what you need done, at a rate of speed that is more than good enough for most people who don't currently have 1-hour commutes. You'll contribute to needing fewer/smaller roads, rather than massive road projects that merely by existing have a significant negative contribution to handling CO2. The added bonus is that you'll also likely suffer from fewer and less severe age-related health issues as you age. Public transportation, as long as it's feasible is also a great option. I currently live somewhere where I can travel as much as I need by bus for less than 50EUR/month, which has led to me feeling very little need for a car for my everyday needs. .

@@werner.x Very true, and no roof to shield from rain and sleet

Horses totally disagree. They don't want to be transport for us. Horses want to graze all day. Get a horse because you love horses, sure. An hour or two several days per week of carrying a person over trails, or what not is suitable exercise for them. You need a truck and trailer for the horse. Horses are 365 days per year upkeep for over 30+ years. Just a reminder before you get some horses. They need to be in a small herd, not kept alone. Herd animals, they are, for their well-being. How about a motorcycle for transport, yes? A motorcycle is easier upkeep, ha ha. 🚜👨‍🌾🛻🐴🐴🐴 🛵

You mean electric horses?

@@BackeB I WANNA BE A COWGIRL BAYBEEEEEEE

If you don't have the space to charge an EV you don't have the space to grow grass for your horse.

Mules are superior. I cannot be convinced otherwise.

Not everybody has a house or can have a house.

And this will only work if you immediately consume the energy that you generate. In other words: You need to charge your car during the day. And that's when most people are in the office. And if you are not in the office, you will need less electric car anyway because one main reason why people need cars is to go to work.

@froukehermens2176 batteries exist, man. Tesla power wall.

@froukehermens2176 you charge the battery in your house. The battery charges your car overnight. This has been around for a decade already so I am surprised people don't know how it works.

​@@EdgewiseSJYou did not engage with the substance of his comment. Many people rent. And give me an estimate for the solar and Power Wall.... When I can get a used gas car cheap.... If you got all that money, feel free to buy all that for yourself. Us poor people will be trying to save not spend.

I love that, but I also love the lack of fumey, fuelly smells. When I get in an ICE care these days, the smell is noticeable.

Yes, not everyone thinks gas-powered cars smell good. I think they smell putrid. I literally carry a benzene gas mask through the parking lot to deal with today's herd of trucks and SUVs.

@@Scott_Hoge agree, every time I filled up my car in the past I could smell it on my hand for hours.

But at the same time, they are quite outside. Which can be very or extremely (!) dangerous. Old and infants do not hear and see anymore the car. Thus the rate of accidents can jump.

@@michen25 "As of 1 January 2014, most of the hybrids and plug-in electric and hybrids sold make warning noises using a speaker system" (when travelling at low speeds, before tyre noise takes over). Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_sounds#Market_availability

strawman argument, no comparasion at all.

@@lhurst9550 I don't know it seems like if you dig into the history of almost any technology there are always those people who will list all the reasons why some new technology will never take off.

@@channelsofash Once again you bring up a point that does not matter. I agree with new tech and people not wanting to change however this is not the topic, rather energy density is. A battery cannot replace a gas tank till it can hold as much energy at about the same weight. No matter how much you wish you cannot change the laws of physics. The electric vehicle is great for short trips, not doing a lot of work, which is what trucks do. You have to generate enough electrical energy to do the work required, transport it, and store it inside of a vehicle before EVs replace ICE. It too over a 100 years to build the infrasture to do it with gas, give it another 50-75 and maybe.....

​@@lhurst9550That's not a strawman argument

@@vjanssens399 She changed to people not wanting to accept new tech, when the discussion is energy density. "A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, .." So yes it is.

lol who waits in line at gas stations?! I pity the fools.

So people aren’t waiting even longer at electric charging stations and electric batteries don’t carry extra costs. You’ve definitely drunk the koolaid

@@kurtdvet and you definately have not experienced the life of owning a Tesla. You will never understand until you do, due to a closed mind.

I don't know where you have to wait long to fill a petrol or diesel car? The longest time I have had to wait was 5 mins, and that has been once. And 5 mins is better than between half and three quarters of an hour. And that's just charging the damn stupid thing, that doesn't include waiting for a charger to be free. There's no argument petrol and diesel cars are so much more better and fit for purpose than any electric car. Electric cars are fit for what? What are they good for? Environment? Ha! That's a laugh. We have become wise to that lie. Yes there is one good thing about electric cars. The devolution of the vehicle.

@@dwilliamsnetosnet your narcissism is only exceeded by your ignorance of the real world

And this is for the same reason BEV's aren't sold more than they are - people live in flats and cannot charge over night.

@@angulion There are many alternatives to charging over night on your drive or rapid charging. Like workplace charging or car park charging, where ever you stop to shop for example or go for a meal etc, most supermarkets have chargers these days. There are kerbside chargers that are either fixed or pop up from the kerb

Take a look at sand battery technology. It’s basically a very large community based thermal energy store. Once renewable electricity is above base load on the grid it makes a very cheap store for energy.

Yes, definitely. However, that still needs an upgrade to electricity supply networks, because existing networks are not designed to cope intelligently with that level of distributed generation. A full national integration of networks with smart distribution is needed.

You are incorrect in your conclusion. Data centers are eating up electricity capacity in the US. Look it up

No, even if you had perfect storage coverage and could drain a constant current from the grid you need something around double the capacity. This is not as impossible as it might sound as parts of the grid are designed to hold 2x or 4x of something. The US consumes 1.6 billion kg of gasoline a day. At ~10kWh/kg that's 16 TWh a day and adds up to 5840 TWh per year for gasoline alone. Your power consumption in 2022 was 4128 TWh. Sure you need to consider the efficiency so you can divide the number in 2 or 3, but you have to add up diesel and gas. But the number still remains in the same order of magnitude, and doubling up or cutting in half of certain components is the only real option on the grid. But it won't cost twice as much as power poles for example can have 4-8 lanes anyway but might only carry 1-6, so you can will them up first. And transformers can usually be stacked in the same building or area as the existing one. Also building twice as many batteries, one for the car and one for storage isn't cheap at all compared to extending the grid. Even tho it is a great solution for those who can afford it.

B.S. You're wastefully trying to solve a Climate problem that doesn't exist. The end result: REAL PROBLEMS !!!!!!!!

another subsidized pie in the sky BS plan. Germany has done wonders in their energy planning… lol

2040 ish supposedly.

you mean WWIII is nigh??

Not so much time, probably. Germany already sells out it's steel production. But we need to plant more trees anyhow. Plenty of wood for carriages. And people here love horses.

Be the early adaptor! Buy a horse and carriage today!

@@MarshallMathersthe7th I'm waiting on the infrastructure to catch up.

The horse industry (that employed hundreds of thousands of people in the very early 20th century) tried their best to get gas cars outlawed. The horse industry is now dead, just like the gas car industry will be in a few years.

Wen the car was invented they used the same roads then horse-drawn carriages used. It took decades until the first roads specifically for cars were built. It is also worth mentioning that for a few years (roughly 1890 to 1910) electric cars dominated the market although for sure the power grid at the time was also not that good. There were three main reasons why combustion cars took over. The invention of the starter removed the problem that combustion cars were cumbersome to start. Standard Oil was able to provide cheap fuel which btw. also led to other fuels like ethanol being wiped from the market. Finally the cars with gasoline had a superior range. The result was that within a short time the era of electric cars was over. These 3 factors which are convenience, price and range are still the factors that will decide which type of car will be used. If the price of electric energy will go through the roof as the transition of the power grid needs to be payed then the life time of combustion engines might be longer then expected.

Yep, I agree. We have been driving the same way for over 100 years. I am sure 100 years from now, we will be teleporting or something because humans will cease to exist when AI takes over.

Sorry Wrong, it was a "HORSE Less" Carriage and used the same trails. but you are on the correct path. This is WHY Westinghouse and Tesla went to WAR with Edison! Edison was a scumbag who wanted DC and owned all the generation of DC, cared only of profits and power. Westinghouse and Tesla wanted to Improve Mankind and our living standards.

Here in Slovenia over 2/3 of households can't connect their solar panels to the grid and sell electricity because power grid just isn't strong enough. Now we usually have 1x35A or 3x20A main fuzzes and after "green transition" when we should all heat our homes with heat pumps and drive electric cars 3x35A would be minimal. Next question is how will people who can only park their vehicles on public parking spaces charge their cars. Charging it on public charging stations is already more expensive then filling your tank with diesel. People whose income is already below average will get even more poor.

Guess what.... Electric vehicles still rely heavily on "fossil fuels."

The quality of those cars is debatable. The cost to repair/maintain BMW or Mercedes is considerably more than a tesla

How much grid expansion is needed? Cost? What about electricity production capacity? For now EU is struggling to force fossils out of electricity production to cover CURRENT ELECTRICITY needs but you are talking about moving away from fossils in all energy sector? It is crazy as it would take not even 10 times more renewable production but closer to 30 times more. It is impossible in the next several decades regardless.

In Australia, cars contribute to less than 10% of the total carbon emissions. I assume it's similar in the rest of the world. Seems quite ridiculous that so much mental energy is dedicated to 10% of the problem.

@@MrElvis1971 Worldwide, ground transport vehicles amount to about half the emissions, so yes it is a huge factor.

They have to have *something* going for them.

And deplete that battery quite nicely with that

​@@joesterling4299They are also quieter and cost less to drive, they also have fewer parts, and therefore less wear and tear, so they break down much less. And in a handful of years I am convinced that the infrastructure will be fully operational to accomodate, meaning no more range anxiety.

@@texanplayer7651 "so they break down much less" and when they do they'll be a write off, bit funny bit its true now isn't it, less parts as in a glued in battery for smartphones.

So do trams.

I was never a fan of the smell of gas.

​@@JasonTaylor-po5xcit depends a lot on where and how you smell it. When I'm putting gas in a car at the pump it's oddly pleasant but if I get it on my hands or spill some indoors it's awful

I always thought horse manure smells pretty good. Stick it in a tensor and conlude what you wish. Bit like General Relativity.

But diesel smells better! Diesel exhaust is like perfume to me.

People pay more money for the better product. And when there is no charging option at every parking spot, this technology will never hit the market as a mass product. Your smartphone would not be a mass product if you could only charge it at home, and only if you have your own dedicated charger. And even if you had, if outside your home hundreds of phones would have to share one charging station and only one per time, you can guess that nobody would use smartphones. This product fails by design. You would not ride a horse that you can't feed food and water anywhere, why would you? And 50% of what they cost today is another thing that will make it fail. It would need to be the third of the cost of a basic gasoline car of today to compensate for all the pitfalls that come with the product. And you forget that the most regions on earth make it physically impossible to use electric vehicles, neither the climate, the weather, nor the infrastructure would ever allow it. Even in developed countries it will never be fully useable. Just one major power outage and everyone will abandon their electric cars and demand fossils to return. You can see how often electronic devices fail, even things like paying with credit card isn't possible every once in a while. For elementary things like mobility the analogue systems have nothing that could replace them.

​@@lars5288 //...when there is no charging option at every parking spot, this technology will never hit the market as a mass product. I disagree - there is a great deal of money to be made by allowing customers to use a slow charger for free while shopping. 15kw chargers could easily be put up along streets and parking lots. if you drive 40 miles a day or less that is under 1 hour of charging. 1% of cars are EVs - just because of the lifespan of cars, this cannot change by more than about 5-10% per year. that is 20 years before we need to be completed. //Your smartphone would not be a mass product if you could only charge it at home, and only if you have your own dedicated charger. I think we have 20 years to build up capacity to support a 100% EV fleet, and that evaluating things based on the first year is a mistake.. We can manage what we have now - and we can easily add 5% capacity per year. //50% of what they cost today is another thing that will make it fail. It would need to be the third of the cost of a basic gasoline car of today to compensate for all the pitfalls that come with the product. I disagree. You only need to consider the powertrain because the rest of the car uses common components and processes. Labor is greatly reduced on the EV powertrain, and materials cost will soon be lower as well. //And you forget that the most regions on earth make it physically impossible to use electric vehicles, neither the climate, the weather, nor the infrastructure would ever allow it. No. It is much easier to produce a solar infrastructure than a gasoline infrastructure. An electric infrastructure is needed by society, but a gasoline infrastructure is not. People in the cold land of Finland are very happy with their electric cars - 70%. //Even in developed countries it will never be fully useable. You are predicting the future - I disagree with your prediction. Just one major power outage and everyone will abandon their electric cars and demand fossils to return. With many grad batteries in place there will be no more power outages. If there is a power outage, can you pump gasoline? If it gets so bad that you cannot charge your car, you also will not be able to find gasoline. People can make electricity, but people cannot make their own gasoline. (unless you want run your own biodiesel factory). //You can see how often electronic devices fail, even things like paying with credit card isn't possible every once in a while. Yes you can. Itis called MTBF - Mean Time Between Failure. Electromechanical systems are on the order of 10,000 hours. Elechtrochemical systems are on the order of 1,000 hours. if you assume 30 miles per hours, 1,000 hours would be 30,000 miles - your first service check. For an EV you check the oil in the gearboxes at 150,000... //For elementary things like mobility the analogue systems have nothing that could replace them. Electrical systems are about twice as energy efficient. if this fuel were used in power plants instead of incars we would use far less fuel.

Yeah until we run out of lithium and have to mine it from sea water

You are talking about a future that doesn't exist in the present moment. BEVs had more than 15 years to prove their sustainability and practicality. And now people have decided the improvements they've made is not enough. So it's hybrids for the foreseeable future.

@nuwanpremarathne1759 As an engineer, it is my job to predict when technologies will be available at a price point. Of course, ai am talking about a future that does not exist yet. I do it all the time - I am extremely good at these predictions. This is why I state them confidently - my track record of success. No - BEVs have not been around for 15 years in the same way as they are today. 15 years ago Li-ion batteries included solvents that would boil at about 130F and they would pop when hot. That technology hasn't been used since 2012. There have been significant advancements in power electronics, batteries, motors, braking, manufacturing, software, etc every few years over the last 15 years. It is like you were suggesting that today's smartphone is just like the phone of 15 years ago. Major improvements continue to happen every few years. This scares people. It has a name from the 80s - the Osborne Effect. You start talking about how much better the next version will be and people decide to wait. You lose business by doing this... you also cause people to stop buying the competition...

I don't want a hybrid. I'm just saying I think this is how things will develop.

@@SabineHossenfelderBut you also liked the comment: “I cannot believe vehicles carrying a ton of batteries will ever be a good idea”. That’s kind of how EVs work for the foreseeable future.

What about the new prototypes of hydrogen engines? The production of green, blue and white hydrogen is constantly increasing.

@@SabineHossenfelder According to project drawdown the cheapest way to lower carbon emissions is to build bicycle infrastructure, i think this video should be tempered by maybe covering some of their suggestions for fighting climate change.

That's a misleading statistic as many cars are set on fire as they are stolen vehicles, false insurance claims, or acts of revenge. The cause of the fire is not what is being reported in insurance data, but the cause of the damage to the car is.

Chris Fix has a video on how to replace the Prius battery yourself for substantially less money.

Hybrids are not the way forward. They have many more parts than EVs, and that's an understatement. So they also break down more, and are a big expense over their lifetime. They also catch fire much more often than EVs, making more pollution.

@@FLPhotoCatcher expensive repairs are not the answer.

@@FLPhotoCatcher We've owned a Prius for ten years and the only repairs have been scheduled maintenance and recalls to update the hybrid system firmware. Having owned three Toyotas in the past 15 years, none have needed any major repairs other than scheduled maintenance and recalls.

@@FLPhotoCatcher You are WRONG about breaking down more often. My wife has a Chevy Volt with 110,000 miles on it and its engine is doing great. The reason is the engine has only driven 30,000 of those miles and it is very lightly used when it does. We have 100+ years of experience with designing ICE engines and they have been well-researched and optimized in that time. EV cars just are not ready yet.

Most Finnish apartments have a parking place with at least 230 V 10 A outlet to preheat the ICE car engine in sub zero temperatures. For instance our housing co-op has over 100 parking places and 138 apartments. And it was built in 1961-1963.

I carry my battery up from the basement. Chinese Harley E-scooter. I'm ancient . . .

We have 4 charging stations in our basement garage and 4 in front of the house, that are public. It's possible, if the city stops glorifying the "this was build 1850, so it is perfectly suited for modern day needs" bullshit. Modern problems need modern solutions.

So 2 more issues. 1. if you live in a city without assigned parking you need a solution beyond plugging into 'your' house, and 2. In many cities people will steal your cord for the copper or your electricity if you can't somehow protect it. The other issue overall is increased demand tends to burn up the cables. I saw this happen as people moving into an older neighborhood started putting in air conditioners where there were none before. We lost power for a few days until they could bring in bigger cables.

In most countries you can rent houses. The fact that someone is paying rent doesn't mean they don't live in a house. The problem is that when you're renting you can not make major adjustments to your house, like adding a charging station in your garage or outside.

It took around 25-50 years for the transition from Horses to Cars depending on what % of horse vs cars user ratio you would consider for the transition to be complete. 25 years for horses to not be the main mode of transportation and around 50 for horses to be almost non-existent as a means of transport.

The infrastructure was there?

If you look back of photos of New York it took about 20 years, in 1890 horses everywhere, by 1912 mostly trucks and cars

@@nasser314 I think it was dependent on where you lived and economical circumstances. My parents were still using horses to get to school and to town into the early 50's. Neither had grid electricity until 1958.

Before the Ford model t, cars were ran on just about anything they could find. Gasoline kind of arrived after cars were already getting popularity. Back then they also called them parambulators or horseless carriages. Automobiles and cars came after that. Car is actually a four shortening of the word cart. As in horseless cart.

I think the rest of the world will just be fine coping with electric cars. Apart from Germany Where red tape is more important than progress.

Of course they do. It's likewise in Germany. Gouvernment doesn't consider it appropriate to keep the level of individual traffic as high as it currently is. So, make it unappealing to buy cars like we used to in the past is part of the plan. Then the grid will be sufficient in 2035, that's what they did tell us in their great wisdom. At least in Germany. But i'd think, the UK gouvernment has at least the same level of wisdom.

Where will the electricity come from?

Its fun to plan but someone has to pay for it and that's where things fall apart.

can confirm - UK grid is very much on track.

Why is it becoming too difficult and inconvenient, just out of curiosity. I'm not car shaming, I have one in the US because i have to go crazy distances.. Is it your age (30 is not even prime walking age yet) or is it your lifestyle has changed (kids? faraway job? )

@@boonskis Train services in the UK are very bad especially if you live in the north/midlands. Trains here are hourly and are slow trains, often you're standing up with little to grab onto. There's been lots of rail strikes too. Trains are often delayed. If they're cancelled sometimes you're waiting 1+ hours. Trains are also very very expensive. Flying to another country is actually cheaper. A lot of jobs here are scattered across the villages and small town; you're required to own a car for a lot jobs simply down to a reliance factor regardless of if driving is actually part of the job or not. I forgot to mention. If I want to go to a major city, say Birmingham I'd have to take my train from a village to another city. The train could be like 30 mins, then the change over time could be 45 mins then I can finally get the train to the city which might be just over an hour. It's taking nearly 3 hours one way if everything goes smoothly.

Different country, same problems. I would love to go car-less, they simply do not interest me whatsoever. But relying on public transport means under optimal circumstances my commute is 1:05 minutes by car, 1:55 by public transport. But with just one train line and one bus line, any disruption means I either have hours of additional delays or quite literally cannot travel. Many a time I have spent hours trying to reach work by public transport, failing, and ending up back home 3 hours later having reached maybe midway to work and having to return. Bad enough when traveling to work, worse when traveling back home: If I miss the 18:49 bus from the station to my village, there is no alternative. Then it's a bus to a different village and a 2-hour walk, or a 55 euro taxi ride. I'll be the first to get rid of my car if public transport improves. Even if it is just more reliable. A bus once every hour is fine -- if you can count on it actually being there.

It's not even about bureaucracy... it's just economics. USA sources only 20% from renewable.... the conversion process is slow. First transistor was invented in 1947 it took 50 years for home computers to start to take off along with the internet. Infrastructure can not transform that quickly. The main reason is people don't want to pay for it unless it pays for itself through natural and sustainable revenues.

The bearocracy that stifles innovation will fail spectacularly, and in such an event what typically follows is reform

Gridscale energy storage deployment is indeed self funding due to the high margins, and the load reduction on existing infrastructure means you can effectively upgrade our existing systems without having to make as many expansions as you'd otherwise expect Also, regarding acceleration of infrastructure development, that is exactly what can, will, and is already happening, won't be easy ofc, but gridscale and local energy storage is basically the solution

Haha, change the system... oh young one

Fikretyet, it is not bureaucracy, that's the error. The biggest mistake is in thinking you can power a grid, and hence a country, with renewable generation. To electrify transport and heating is simply compounding that error. Renewables are not an equivalent to conventional generation, they cannot control output feeding a system that has to be finely controlled on an instantaneous basis. Then intermittency is another and in my view the most significant obstacle that will not be overcome. It is infeasible to have sufficient battery capacity to meet that deficiency. Then there are technical deficiencies, no inertia, no reactive power input, no short circuit current level input and also in view of all those deficiencies, renewables are not capable of a black start to restore power when the inevitable grid trip happens.

I guess when the grid collapses (if that is the worry) the hybrid can drive on with gas.

Because they can charge at home most of the time, whereas an all electric is dependent on the availabilty away from home. Gas stations are ubiquitous, because they already put EV manufacturers out of business over a century ago so they could sell oil.

Unfortunately a recent report into the fuel efficiency of cars in Europe showed that PHEV drivers charge their cars far less often than expected, and end up using a lot of fuel. Emissions were hence 5x what was expected, from memory.

@@typhoon320i come on people, think! If the grid collapses, there won't be any gas, because the gas stations use ELECTRIC pumps!

When you try to sell it your in for a big shock, even dealers won't take one in px and if it needs repair it's an expensive specialist job, insurers write them off rather than pay for repairs that may be more than the cars worth😮

Still burning fossil fuels to make electricity, double the complexity, double the servicing cost and double the break downs

She also makes it sound like increasing the growth rate by 20% is a lot. It isn't. Instead of gowthing by 2%, it needs to grow by 2.4%. Growth rates in the past have been much bigger than this. The way she presents the data makes it sound way worse than it actually is.

Sure but this will only do so much. Do you really think that the institutions who say that the grid upgrade is necessary don't know that?

Will the vast majority of people have their own parking spot with a charger, so that their car is plugged in when it's convenient for the grid to charge the car?

​@@SabineHossenfelder Demand following will make a huge difference since it can significantly reduce the impact of unusual events where the sun and the wind both are unavailable. If you predict this and then turn off some factories and stop charging cars for a day, you significantly reduce the battery storage required. This already happens to some extent. The people/businesses who are willing to do this will get cheaper electricity, and the rest will pay a premium for the infrastructure.

@@SabineHossenfelder If the institution is the IEA then they probably don't know that. Look at the IEA's PV increase predictions for the past 20 years. For most of those years they forecasted that PV installations would fall the next year. PV installation rose every year. [edit] I found a source with the IEA PV production forecast from 2022. In 2022 IEA forecast that PV production would reach 180 GW in 2035. It reached 224 GW in 2023. It 2 years to reach IEA's 15 year forecast. To see the source google "iea-forecasts-wrong-again"

because nobody asked where the electricity for the trains is coming from. if people would ask where the electricity for the trains is coming from, all the trains in the world would stop immediately.

Because trains are powered via high voltage wires with no need for portable electricity or battery packs.

steam power in much more efficient, and a small 'submarine' type' reactor could power a steam locomotive for long time.

Electric trains came before diesel trains, that's why. Electric trains were invented in the late 19th century and were implemented heavily by the 1930s. The first diesel locomotives appeared in the 1920s and didn't fully replace steam locomotives until the 1960s. Also electric trains take their power directly off the wire and don't need batteries or any advanced tech at all.

Question to you: Have you ever seen battery-powered trains?

Robotaxis.

@@tonyduncan9852 trams. On a tram RN and it's amazing, i can read KZfaq comments or play on my steam deck instead of controlling a dangerous vehicle

Exactly!! Seeing the gridlock on our city's roads should be the only wake up call we need!

Exactly! It's not gas powered cars which are to blame but cars in general!

@@nderezic Have you ever got your nose close to a tail pipe and taken a lung full of ICE exhaust ? Now repeat the process with an EV, yes they havent got one, therefore the pollution is only made by ICE cars. Now go on take a big lung full of ICE engine exhaust, let me know how it went ?

Provided they're all zero co2.

I dont think world leaders want more options for citizens. More options means less control. If anything, the move to electric is some large percentage about making travel energy less fungible. With liquid petrol you can pack an extra 300 miles in the back, but with electric, your access, rates, and ability to redistribute are completely managable remotely. Maybe when we can pick up a fresh battery as easy as a can of propane we will be in business...

You are not wrong. However, from that perspective electricity gives a whole lot more of different fueling options ranging from Solar to Synthetics to Wave power to Nuclear power to Diesel to Coal to Biofuels. Just buy one of many different available generators. Problem solved, and added range to that fuel to boot.

The majority of new EV owners immediately install solar panels reducing the load on the grid. So there is no issue, on the contrary. EV accelerates the green transition only making the grid more and more irrelevant.

A FRENCHMAN INVENTED AN CONDENSED AIR CAR AND IT'S ON KZfaq EARLY IN 2000 ON THE SCIENCE CHANNEL THERE ARE REALLY SOUPED UP ONES ON KZfaq NOW AS WELL AND IT COSTS NEXT TO NOTHING TO FUEL IT TOO IT WENT AT FIRST UP TO 72 MI PER HOUR

At least that's not a problem with electric cars. It's extremely unlikely you'll ever need to replace a battery on an electric car (Exclude the 12 volt battery)

Why would you be replacing the battery? There are many Teslas that have done over 500k miles and one that's done a million with only 75% degradation

@@BaybieK The batteries need to be replaced when they will no longer hold a charge, or too many have shorted out. The Lithium Batteries don't last forever. If I remember right, the typical life is around 7-10 years.

No, you are confusing typical life and guaranteed life.

@@jgreen9361 I'm not confused when the Dealer said it would cost $7,000 to replace the batteries, parts and labor on a 2001 Toyota Prius.

She obviously doesn't understand the complexity and maintenance that goes along with a hybrid. I wouldn't own one.

11 years (170k km) without any issues on a Yaris Hybrid.

That's when she lost my faith in her objective scientific research. Hybrids are the worst possible decision. If she is recommending them, it shows that she isn't doing neutral analysis anymore. Either she's trying to appeal to the majority of electric car sceptics or her research team has made a grave mistake and she doesn't have the time anymore to realize and fix it. In any case this video will be an ugly blemish in her track record.

@@olafarlt2 talk to taxi drivers about maintenance with hybrids - I don't know about other auto makers but Toyota hybrids are extremely low maintenance cost compared to ICE cars and last forever...some taxi drivers have 500K miles and still going strong! However, NONE of them liked pure EV's

@@holysmoke3201 How is having two engines to be maintained instead of one being cheaper? Plus EVs need much less maintenance since there are no spark plugs and no engine oil that need to be changed on a regular basis. I have talked to taxi drivers for example in Kopenhagen, where a lot of them are already driving in pure EVs. The driver said he needs to charge his car once a day and can do that either over night or during quiet times. And from a CO2 perspective, Hybrids aren't solving any problems. You're still burning finite and climate-damaging fossil fuels to get them to move.

There is a difference between PHEV and traditional hybirds. Traditional hybrids demonstratably reduce fuel consumption of ICE. My Prius V (bigger, heavier) car uses less petrol than my Corolla.

@@olafarlt2 Proof is in the pudding!! SEVERAL taxi drivers I've talked to LOVE their Toyota hybrids and all of them say its wayyyy lower maintenance than an ICE car - you can google it yourself!!

According to IMF figures, Globally $7 trillion per year is spent subsidising fossil fuels. Image the grid that could be belt using that money there instead.

@@C0wCakes No one "spent" 7 trillions in 2022. IMF counts "impact on the world" as subsidy, but it doesn't mean that someone actually paid this much money.

The estimated cost for upgrading the US grid for ev’s, new and upcoming data centers, crypto mining, mandated electric appliances is actually more like $3.7 trillion. Who’s going to pay for that, you Lt. Weinberg??

@@C0wCakes where do you think money for making of this video come from? they are part of those $7 trillions

@@robertherman1146 who paid for creation of current us grid, dummy? electricity consumers. sale of electricity is profitable business.

...and when the lovely liquid hydrocarbs run out in about 30 -40 years max? What then?

_"scrubbing CO2 from the atmosphere"_ - Trees and phytoplankton have the necessary experience.

They have flattened out. The battery-making capacity can only grow so quickly. People don't take into account how "dirty" the process is getting from raw lithium to battery feedstock on the coal-powered Chinese grid where most of this is done.

​@@alansnyder8448sodium batteries

​@@alansnyder8448Shall we talk about how dirty fossil fuel mining is? For every tonne of raw mineral product mined to make an electric car, 100 tonnes of raw mineral product needed to be pumped to power a combustion car

Not going to happen, Big Oil is/will be Big Lithium (or whatever new tech) and they like profits.

@@alansnyder8448 You need lithium for cars only (and even that may change). The batteries for house owners do not have to be light, cheap is enough. These batteries will help the grid a lot.

And in practice. Chevrolet Volts (NOT Bolt) have been doing it and being more efficient for almost a decade of production runs. That must be why Chevy terminated their best little car - not guzzling enough gas.

How much C02 can you tolerate to rebuild everything out of concrete. There are no quick fixes.

​@simontemplar404 Yes, rebuilding things when they wear out is how it will work for most all changes. Doesn't mean we don't need to quickly get our current regulations lined up to make the future more liveable for future generations.

Amen

Utopia thinking and impossible, you can't have everyone in mega-cities it's just not possible. What about the heavy industrie (factories) farmers powerplants etc.. Do you also want those in these mega-cities? I wouldn't.. Especially not the nuclear powerplants and loud industry. Cars are the answer, it simply is the best mode of transportation since it's all purpose, you can drive it to work, AND take your family with you, and haul heavy loads etc. And yes, ideally with combustion engine, but a hybrid is fine too. People could use a motorcycle for longer commutes, but it's not cheap to buy a motorcycle and maintain 2 vehicles. Also, cold icy weather exists etc. We are doing fine, i am lucky to live closeby my work, so i can actually cycle there. But i understand the people who work further away either they really have no choice, or they can earn more. We all need to make a living. You have a better change of having all work done by robots.

I think Urban designers realize this but the reality is that you have a street design and infrastructure in place. I think there has been some movement in that the modern technology allows for more at home work now. E-bikes and mobility is also helping along with some redesign to allow for more alternatives but it is still difficult.

Back of the napkin calculations reveal that, relative to USA GDP, the US spent what would currently anount to **over $70 Trillion** fighting WWII. So that’s approximately what we can afford if we really, really cared about an existential issue. Maths are from Nobel Economist Paul Krugman in NYT discussing lend-lease program to UK before we entered WWII. “at about $60 billion [ukrainian aid package] is less than one-fourth of 1 percent of G.D.P. - around one-fortieth the size of the initial Lend-Lease appropriation. Anyone claiming that spending on this scale will break the budget, or that it will seriously interfere with other priorities, is innumerate, disingenuous or both.” 13 billion was 10% of gdp in WWII. We spent a total of 340 billion in the war. That’s over 250% of gdp. With today’s gdp of 27 trillion, that would be the equivalent of $70 trillion.

i mean its obvious, when you don't think about it

FYI 85% of "the Gride" RUNS on OIL, Coal, and Natural Gas. So? Ya! Invest in Oil! even the E autos run on 100% of the 85% oil, coal, natural gas "gride"" so again? Ya! Invest in OIL!

...and completely unnecessary...

​@@davefellhoelter1343 not sure what your point is.

all future cars will be internet connected etc. the only freedom you are trading in is a freedom to be brainwashed

Yeah, people don't think about these aspects but, if we ever reach the end of this bridge, I presume most will ponder how did we ever get here.

bull. you buy the big enviro hype.Wake up.

It's not like those sorts of trends aren't being carefully considered in peer-reviewed papers...

The reason for reductions in building combustion plants is purely political. The government idiots incentivize behavior they want and punish behaviors they don't want. It's not driven by the market or the science, purely by those with an agenda. Trying to use this as evidence that the technology is better, easier, or competitive is a foolish argument, as nine of the renewable energy is justified in a truly free market. It's horribly expensive, it isn't reliable, it creates additional pollutants, causes oppression in mineral rich third world countries (not exactly new), and it can't survive unless it's shoved down our throats. This is why it's being shoved down our throats. It may work for some people's minimal needs, but there is no economy of scale. It's a farce, based on highly manipulated data.

@@professorquarter HA You make me laugh! How many "peer" reviewed papers latter have to be retracted or ammended. Also if all the "peers" buy into the ENVIRO-BS then they are going to pass on the lies too!!!

@@maddhatter3564 Go pray to your god Trump. Everyone else can see the trajectory away from fossil fuels.

@@noidea3p5 hahahahahahahaha. Have to agree though, am quite tired of the ever coming fusion reactors.... it'll be here in just 30 more years (again)

@@xerr0n Mr Fusion powered car will probably be the only practical tech.

They are the future; cleaner, quieter, simpler, faster, longer lasting, cheaper to run. There were two disadvantages. They were more expensive. That has already been solved. We have yet to see it in Europe and USA, but it is the case in China, it is a done deal technically. They didn’t go as far and were slower to re-charge. The new batteries already exist to solve for that, they’re just not widespread yet, but it is a done deal technically. Legislation already exists to delete ICE cars by the mid-2030’s. That is a done deal. So, electric cars are the future, no maybe about it. The tech is already mature enough, and it will still get better, unlike ICE which has changed little in 30 years. It is true that we’ll get there eventually, it’ll take a few years yet to transition to the point everybody accepts it.

Don't you know, that the electric car was on the road and functioning in practice years before the gas powered car came along? How many centuries of development do you think we need to make electric cars equally impractical as an up to date gas powered Volkswagen? And would you buy this ripened product then?

@@Lypiatt wow, just wow. There it is boys and gals, in just another 30 years! "It is true that we’ll get there eventually, it’ll take a few years" "The tech is already mature enough, and it will still get better, unlike ICE which has changed little in 30 years." You know it is not, and ICE has, whether you like it or don't know better, evolved quite a bit in the last 30 years, way to show your ignorance though. "Legislation already exists to delete ICE cars by the mid-2030’s. That is a done deal." and it will not go through, deal with it. They are already having second thoughts about it "They were more expensive. That has already been solved. We have yet to see it in Europe and USA, but it is the case in China, it is a done deal technically." yeah, have to sell those sitting things somehow. There are fields with parked EVs in china. there are quite a few scams with not just EVs going on like that in china "They are the future; cleaner, quieter, simpler, faster, longer lasting, cheaper to run." *Cleaner*- IF they don't use power from a fossil powerplant Simpler- aluminum uni-body that is the number one problem with them being a write off for a dent. Also less parts does not mean simple. *Faster*- at accelerating?, more power consuming as well then, an electric motor starts guzzling those electrons when under load *Longer lasting*- see aluminum uni-body up above *Cheaper to run*- IF you charge at home, for the moment (it'll get more expensive as demand rises). Also IF you prepay for a solar system IF you can install it "So, electric cars are the future, no *maybe* about it." What maybe were you talking about again?

(4) How about we altogether cut back on wasteful unnecessary commuting. Plenty of people can work remotely. Stay home.

"Have a word with Greg Jackson at Octopus Energy, he knows the real picture, not the FUD spread by BigOil." That's good for the UK. It won't work in the US. The idiots in charge of the grid, refuse to invest in necessary upgrades. Rather than spending a portion of the monthly bill customers pay, they are waiting to get funded by taxpayer dollars so they can keep their higher profits and keep pretending that they are doing a good job. It also doesn't help that some State governments have mandated a percentage of solar and wind energy and have not mandated grid upgrades.

Thank you for that insightful post! I had no idea that so much power was used to refine fossil fuel, that is ludicrous.

In Italy too the grid operator has always maintained that they see no particular trouble ahead about upgrading the grid for mass adoption of EVs. As far as I understand, it will be a minuscule tweak compared to what was done in the years of rapid post-war industrialization.

You think everyone will be able to charge a car overnight "night" on a calm day...Not a chance in hell.

In the UK,the National Grid is digging tunnels to accommodate the cables, removing the pillons running around the country. In the cities, the car is being discouraged by restricting it to main roads. You would have noticed that your satnav never takes you through a residential road if a main road is available. Tower blocks no longer have parking bays, and street parking is at a premium. The charging points on lampposts only have 3.5kWh with a 2 hour time limit. To own an electric car you need a driveway with a charging point. If not, then the cost per mile is almost double that of fossil fuel, as well as the pleasure of sitting in your car for at least one hour while it charges. There is no profit in charging points compared to petrol stations. For example, one car can take 5 minutes to fill up and go, £70. 12 cars *£70=£840per hour. An EV takes one hour for a reasonable charge, £50. What company in its right mind will want to earn £50 per hour. If companies cannot turn a profit then the infrastructure can never bear fruitition. Building the grid is one thing. Finding companies to bear the extremely low profit margin is another.

We can wonder why these people bought pricey Hybrid's in the first place. Usually they should drive in electric mode when possible to reduce fuel cost.

@@Bob-1802 But realistically speaking, they don't when actually studied. They just use them as petrol cars.

@@Bob-1802 Companies buy them because of subsidies, and give fuel card to the employees, who won't charge therefore.

The idea of a hybrid is to get really really good gas mileage while not suffering the substantial downside of an EV. They do this just fine.

A 10 year old 7-seater VW Touran uses also 6-7 Liter per 100 km without hybrid. Wäre is the saving?

@@josefdittli9073 6-7 liters of gas-not Diesel. 230 top-speed, acceleration like a Porsche 911. Driving it the american way means: 2-3 liters... 🙂

My current gasoline car, which is about 15 years old, also uses 6-7 liters per 100 ml (18 km/l).

Ammonia paste looks good, easy to set up the infrastructure,

which are all getting recycled.

As are EVs, should anything go wrong (usually, the ultra-expensive battery). Plug-in hybrids are BEVs with an auxiliary ICE generator that kicks in when the battery runs low. They're no more complex than a battery-electric pickup truck hauling a generator on its bed.

@@joesterling4299 PHEVs have two powertrains that can break, and need to be maintained and repaired. To your point, PHEV are like a BEV + generator. But, only the generator part needs constant maintenance, and trips to the station to fill up. In addition to all this, the most efficient PHEV have a separate bypass mode that provides a direct coupling for constant highway speed operation. How about this. Take a PHEV, simplify it, and put the generator at home or in "gas stations", and just beef up the battery... further simplify the system and just replace the generator with a charger....lo and behold, you've got a BEV.

Gas cars are expensive to maintain.

@@surkh Constant maintenance of the engine? Idk what world you live, but my 20 year old cars engine doesn't need ''constant maintenance'' it just needs an oil change every 15k km and a new airfilter..

@@joesterling4299 My EV has actually been really cheap to maintain compared to any ICE that I have ever owned. There is actually resources that show the maintenance is a lot cheaper as well. It is very rare to have a drivetrain battery go wrong on a BEV. PHEV are more susceptible to battery issues.

That's rubbish 70% of Germans don't have their own house. The wind blows in the north of Germany. But the industry and the people are in the south. We need a southern link. Solar and wind in the south can only minimise the problem but not solve it.

obviously you havent worked the numbers. it would take more PV panels than could fit on 5 EVs to even slow charge one.

@@maddhatter3564 He meant the roof of the house, not of the car. If he is not an idiot, that is.

Where I am, charging at a charging station is more expensive than gas. They have scheduled price increases, over the next few years, to help compensate for all the new demand. What you’re saying (the gradient decent) can only work without corrupt local governments supporting monopolies.

One variable to throw in here would be the range and charging speed of the cars battery. With the improvement in battery technology there will be less charging stations needed per car. Having a vehicle that can take you 1,000 - 2,000 km in one go would make a big difference to desirability. The worst thing about having an ev where I am (Australia) is not being able to get somewhere because of the large distances we have between towns. Other than that, I have found my ev to be way better than any ice car that I have owned. (I am 70, so I've had a few).

"absolutely zero extra load on the grid" Best laugh I've had all day.

until 50 mln cars do exactly the same and then we can talk about loads.

If everyone recharged their car at night, (which they don't) then it will be actually quite beneficial for the grid, since demand is overall low at night, the industries are shut down and everyone sleeps.

@@joesterling4299 What he means is that he doesn't add any more PEAK load to the grid. EVs don't need to charge at peak time. Some people might do it anyway, but power companies and consumers both will have a massive incentive to install smart meters at EV owner's houses, so that they can offer discounts at off-peak times.

And EVs still don't pay for the roads EVs are using. The tax is coming so EVs will look even less appealing.

I have an MG ZS EV. when I first started charging it cost me more than a combustion engine, and kept running out of charge. Three months on, I can work for 12 hours and still have 50% battery. The cost of charging is now about 352 miles for less than £10. You just have to understand the capabilities of the car.

And the “electric continuous variable transmission” is a thing of mechanical simplicity and elegance where 1 + 1 is something like 1.2 ! But EV advocates don’t understand that, but that is to be expected.

and now having their peak, sales slowly start to decline because EVs are getting cheaper and better.

Look at the map... hydro power everywhere over there.

@@czarekcz1097 ok? then let's just install more hydro lol (even tho I think solar/wind is better)

@@reweiv Hydro works if you have the mountains and water, otherwise, solar, wind and even nuclear power is better. Oil and gas will run out, and we will have to come up with sustainable replacements, and electric cars are the best option. Hydrogen power don't make any sense.

All cars heavily subsidized by oil money. Else no one could afford them.

@@lamaistul And who pays for fuel? I thought consumer! Are you suggesting we are subsidizing ourselves? Then I have no issue with it!

Probably, yes. I guess it will depend on how the cost of synthetic fuel and batteries develops.

@@SabineHossenfelder Thanks for responding,, Sabine. I truly enjoy your videos and hope to see you lecturing in Vancouver, BC! My feeling is that sodium ion batteries will take over for EVs, but battery tech is improving and getting cheaper at a breakneck pace, so who knows Lol. Respectfully, Sebastien

@@SabineHossenfelderSynthetic fuels have a massive cost problem relative to pure electric. First, you have efficiency loss in production. Even a high efficiency process is likely only 50% efficient (25% is probably more realistic). So it takes 2-4 units of electric energy for one unit of fuel energy. After that, combustion engines/drivetrains are seriously inefficient - less than 20% of the energy burned turns to motion in practice. The rest is waste heat, driving the compression cycle, etc. EV drivetrains are over 80% efficient in practice. (A gallon of gasoline is about 35kWh of energy; a typical EV has the energy storage of about two gallons, so you really see the efficiency difference.) So we’re looking at 8-16x more electric consumption for a synthetic-fueled combustion car, relative to an EV. And, if your synthetic fuel is anything but gasoline, then it won’t work in most existing cars or in the existing fueling stations or distribution network. You need new cars, new storage, new distribution, all of which are going to be more complex and expensive than the problems of expanding EVs. I think there will be a future for synthetic fuels at small scale, in classic cars and things like aircraft that are hard to electrify. But for normal purpose cars and trucks, they’re terrible compared to just going electric.

@@SabineHossenfelder the cost of synthetic fuel will be too expensive and EVs are getting 1000...1500€ cheaper and better every year.

@@SabineHossenfelder Why investing 5 (6? 7?) times the engery to get synthetic fuel and burn it instead of driving with this energy?

I'll never buy anything with pistons again, and that includes hybrids. If it's got pistons, it's crap. It's a money sucking, poison spewing piece of junk.

@@therealctoo4183 You should check out your battery life-cycle. Talk about money sucking, poison spewing pieces of junk. And heaven help you if your battery catches fire... The politicians never talk about what the heck we're going to do with extremely toxic and dangerous dead batteries.

@@therealctoo4183 True. But that money sucking/poison spewing piece of junk will still run after the grid collapses via natural disaster, etc. It would seem electrics would last longer and have fewer problems, but the data show they presently have about 80% more problems than internal combustion vehicles. And lithium iron batteries have their own toxic/environmental problems and need an entire new infrastructure just to deal with that. Plus, there's the issue of the environmental impact of renewables/fission nuclear and expanding the grid. So it's not a slam dunk for either technology.

They can be very useful for driving about a town or perhaps a county where the weather is moderate.

Good for you. Works nice for your situation.

@@richardkammerer2814 define moderate. We use our EV all year round including snow&ice and hot summer. No issues so far. The range when freezing cold drops a bit, but it’s still plenty for what we need. Still we should’ve bought a PHEV, is what I think now. Because then we wouldn’t need a third car. Now we do.

@@Gemini_0815can you see stats about how much the car uses energy to keep the battery warm when there are -20c at the outside?

@@Gemini_0815 When we go to the family reunion 600 miles away in state park territory, that’s a moderate drive.

They already extract pure oxygen from air. They want the nitrogen so they can make "Green Ammonia" by combining it with hydrogen. When are they going to realize they can put oxygen and hydrogen in local charging stations and generate "Green Power!"

The politicians put the brakes on what you can generate at home at the behest of the energy suppliers/utilities who give nice campaign contributions to these same politicians. It's a very efficient system, not unlike a solar panel system on your roof LOL

Canada has lots of oil....

​@@pdblouinThe cars are smart and can set times to charge. Also you could do this on the charger side, smart home tech exists. My utility has a great overnight rate for changing the EV

@@playlist5455Exactly what I was going to reply with 👍. It seems many do not know that the vehicles can charge themselves based on when electricity costs are lowest in the day(which is same as when most extra electrical capacity is available)

@@pdblouin Flat rate tariffs are starting to go away and will continue to. "If I'm a customer with flat rate electricity, why should I choose to charge at night?" You wouldn't; you'd switch energy suppliers. The better electricity suppliers are offering overnight rates that are less than a quarter of the daytime rate. If you are in the UK, you can probably switch to an energy supplier that does this. That's your choice as to whether you want the option to save money this way, of course. Note that you can use it for other electricity uses, not just for car charging. We regularly schedule our dishwasher to run overnight, and our tumble drier too. "You’d have to have big financial incentives for people to accept the loss of freedom to choose when to charge." A 75% saving is a big incentive! Personally, I rarely drive more than about 20-40 miles a day these days. The longest regular road commute I've ever done is around 80 miles per day. With my car, that leaves around 200 miles range. I can charge to 100% overnight at cheap rate and have a full battery in the morning. "What if something happens and I need to drive NOW, and the car hasn't charged yet?" The number of times I, or any of my family, or anyone I know of, has had to suddenly get up in the middle of the night and do an unexpected and urgent 200+ mile journey is approximately zero. And in the highly improbable case that I did, there's enough rapid chargers around where I live, and most of the major motorways. Frankly, this is not a rational concern for almost anyone. I don't see why it's a "loss of freedom": that sounds irrationally dramatic to me. If I know I'm going to need my car for a long journey, I'll charge it immediately. That sometimes happens, but pretty rarely. I can also choose when to charge it and by how much. My energy company even control my car charging for me if I want (entirely under my control, my choice) so that, if the wholesale energy charges dip because of a particularly sunny/windy day and an excess of generation, or because demand isn't as high for some reason, then they can automatically tell my car to charge and will bill me at the reduced tariff. This benefits me, the grid, and the energy company. In future, as V2X technology rolls out, I could even allow the energy company to start using some of the power in my car battery to supplement the grid during busy times. In which case they pay me for the privilege (there's the financial incentive). Imagine a million cars sitting on driveways providing power back into the grid at peak times (that's around 3.6 Gigawatts of available power). Note that deploying a battery storage capability into the grid gave savings of around $30 million per year in South Australia, mainly by flattening the demand peaks where wholesale electricity is most expensive. Again, I could choose if I want to do this, and how much of my battery I'm willing to let them use: If I know I need 80 miles of range for my commute the next day, I could let them use, say, 50% of my battery, and then build it back to 100% using the cheap overnight tariff. If I know I have a long journey (or if I'm irrationally paranoid about needing to do unexpected long journeys) I can disable it completely, or just let them use 10% or something. To me this doesn't sound like "loss of freedom". On the contrary, it sounds like freedom of choice, and the ability to gain benefit without any significant compromise.

Plus, they can give back to the grid. All new EV's should be built that way.