4 real i did not See it until you told me 😂😂😂😂

lol i had to go looking for it, at first i thought you were kidding but then spotted it

no it's cringe

techless always surprises with good insights and with a high standard in his videos. I agree, he helps people making an unbiased purchase choice - sometimes it seems only one type of OLED is being covered when the focus of the hype is elsewhere. It is save to say, that if you use an OLED mindfully, we should not be too worried about premature "permanent electroluminescent layer degradation".

I used a LG C9 as my main monitor and content viewing device for 3 years before recently replacing it with a C3. Also work from home about half the time as well. Zero issues with burn in. Heavy usage. The C9 got moved to another room and is still rocking.

There is no more dicussion to be had. My 55" LG OLED55B7A (2017) has over 10,000 hours _as a Windows PC monitor_ with _zero_ image retention. I mean literally zero during normal viewing, and negligible when examined with 5% Red, Green, and Blue slides in a pitch-black environment. And again, this is a 2017 model, which can be assumed to be inferior to later models in regard to retention. So what's the deal? What's the trick? The fact of the matter is that OLED technology is only for a person _who knows exactly why he wants OLED instead of some other tech._ This person understands that there are certain operating procedures and usage habits that must be adhered to if image retention is to be avoided, and is willing to accept this in exchange for the benefits that can not be realized without spending orders of magnitude more. First: If you do not view movies or video games/simulations in a theatre-dark environment, the OLED's major benefit --- true black --- can not even be perceived. If you view in a lighted environment, pupillary constriction will make the blacks of an OLED and LCD identical... which is worse for the OLED because all of the shadow detail _between_ the "LCD black" and true black is now invisible, or "crushed". Second: An OLED is for a person who is into maximizing immersion. In order to avoid image retention: > Remove _all_ desktop icons > Hide the Taskbar > Set the desktop background to either black or 50% white (i.e. grey). > *Make your **_standard_** OLED Light (brightness) setting very low.* On my OLED55B7A, I use '10'. The reason I chose '10' is because the ridiculous automatic brightness reduction "feature" actually _increases_ the brightness to '10' when it is set below '10', just like it spontaneously decreases the brightness to '10' when set above this value. This means that '10' is the setting at which this "feature" is effectively disabled (if not _actually_ disabled). It should be O.K. to temporarily increase the OLED Light setting when playing a game (even though it's probably not necessary when playing in the dark as one _should_ be), but it should never be increased past, say, '6'. _Brightness is the single most important variable when it comes to image retention on any type of OLED display._ > When using Windows or another OS, make sure that you don't use the same windows at the same size in the same place indefinitely. If you have certain programs with windows that you use at specific sizes, it's not hard to get into the habit of moving them to different spots every few days > Periodically examine your display in the manner indicated in the first paragraph. This will ensure that if you are doing anything wrong, or not doing enough, you can catch the problem before its visible under normal viewing circumstances. If your display _does_ accumulate any retention, the "pixel refresh" cycle will completely eliminate it, and in my experience, actually make the image better than it originally was, with more uniformity. This is the "serious" refresh cycle that is either done manually, or apparently automatically after so many "thousands?" of hours. In over 10K hours I never once activated it manually (I did not see the need), but it did automatically occur at least once that I know of, and the results genuinely impressed me. If an OLED is taken care of, there may or may not be retention that comes and goes, depending upon your usage. But the point is that there should not be any _accumulation_ of retention. It should all average out.

@@d1gw33d Same here: Hv been using my LG B9 for far more than 10.000 hours over last 3 years. I studied with it during lockdown, wrote hundreds of documents and some thesis on it, and ofc I gamed alot on it. I use it for media consumption as well... and I gotta tell you, ZERO BURN IN. This thing runs 6 - 10 hours a day and the only thing I did against burn in was using the display in energy saving mode during "working hours". Always gaming @full brightness in HDR. I love this display. And for me personally, the display is not to dark to work with in its Energy-Saving-State. Greetings from Germany

@@bricaaron3978 Thanks for the long post. Regarding the desktop background, could you just use a moving Wallpaper Engine background as well? With all the points I see one important takeaway, which is the brightness setting. The brightness at 70% with the new displays is more than enough (for me at least) and should contribute to longlivety.

This!

Yeah he is basically saying "I did proper usage of the oled monitor for 1200 hours and I saw no burn in!"

exactly. 1000 hours? only 1 year? what a waste of time

3 hours is freaking nothing lmao, i remember when i used to play 1 hour a day because i had to do homework, now people these days play almost 6 to 8 hours a day

I have an Dell Alienware AW3423DW and did buy it right after launch date - it does an run matiance program every 1500 hours and it did it the 3 time last week so around 4500 hours and so far 0 issues about burn in with this model - best screen I have ever owned without a doubt.

@@rayquazahere8529 yeah, if you got something working for you and you are fine with it, I'd just stick to it, more OLED Monitors are flooding the Market and their prices should start to become more competitive and little less pricey

Yeah. That response time is crazy

I've used mine for 1877 hours and have had no issues. No burn in or image retention. I let the monitor do it's image cleaning and refresh programs every time it promps.

@@RAZGR1Zhow often does is prompt? Seems like that could be disruptive mid use

except the light outside is brighter.

@@Stackaliyeah but we look at monitors with no pause for too long

So that's why I permanently see a taskbar....

The problem here is the distance from monitor to our eyes. Also, there was a study that confirmed we blink not that often when we watch something on monitor is especially play game. And blinking is very important for eyes

This matches my own experience of using a 48C1 for over 7500 hours now. I disabled the protections because I found them annoying when using it as a monitor. I have HDR enabled at all times in Windows, but the SDR content brightness is at 0/100 (80 nits) because I get headaches from looking at an overly-bright screen all day. No signs of uneven wear/burn-in so far. The only thing I do is set a 4 hour sleep timer when I switch it on, so the short compensation cycles (6 minutes) can run on-schedule. And I'll delay putting the screen on standby if that happens to be an inconvenient time. But I shouldn't be sitting for that long without taking a break to walk around anyway.

Same stuff. Jan 2022 65C1, 6000hrs in, nothing.

Do you use programs with dark or ligth mode? Maybe that affects too along with the limited brightness

@@bybod mostly yes, but that should make the wear of white text in theory even more uneven than bright backgrounds

Wow that sounds a lot my use scenario. I'm just like you who doesn't touch grass and also work from home. I also hate bright screens so I set every monitor I got to 0% brightness. However that's just about 2 years of usage. I expect a monitor like this to last me at least 5 years preferably 10. I'll still stick to LCD for now, until I can get a massive boost of performance with a new graphics card, I'll be observing.

I was about to look for a comment like this, but it was the first one 🤣🤣🤣

I do not get it

​@@Jaie55 fake pornhub logo burn in

​@@Jaie55Look closer at the thumbnail

he been on there a bit too long 💀

I wish I lasted that long

It honestly is the reason I watched lol

Yeah he most definitely got some traces at lower range cuz that's just how OLED works and certain pixel degrade faster than others tho TV algorithm supposed to account for that and Apple uses custom one for it's OLED phones. But average person won't notice but I would since I"m pretty OCD about things like right now I got a small section on upper left that looks like shadow and not sure how long it's been there but now that I noticed it see it all the time! luckily it's at corner tho can ignore most the time LOL

@@ceciliacole5098 Yeah that's where the issue is. If I'm using a monitor, thoughts like "damn, did i left the monitor with max brightness?" should never come to my mind. I'm sorry but these issues will never go away with OLEDs until they start giving 10 year burn-in warranty then I would buy one without a second thought.

maybe they added the " 50 % " of female " gamers " who click on farmtown or w.e on facebook every now and then .

I also have some permanent image retention on my ~5 years old OLED, and it's only barely noticable in some rare circumstances. And even then, despite my quite severe OCD, having noticed it I forget about it almost immediately since the image quality is still simply so stunning. When after using OLED for 4,5 years I got myself an IPS monitor as an auxiliary all-purpose display I though it was defective out of the box. Sold it off after a year since I just couldn't get used to it no matter what. Looked dismal and caused some noticable discomfort/eye strain to me as well. Honestly, this sucks since I can no longer afford an OLED these days.

microLED is where it is for us man

@@perceptivity_ Any interesting 34" ultrawides microleds comming this year?

@@Iscandelt no sadly

@@perceptivity_ :(

I'm at ~12K hours with my 77" LG G1 and I haven't had issues with burn-in yet, I've never manually pixel refreshed my display. My OLED Pixel Brightness has mostly been at 0% though with black stabilizer set to 20 (max) Taskbar auto hides, desktop wallpaper is black, mouse pointer is black with a white outline, and I've barely ever forgotten to turn it off but the PC goes to sleep in like 5 minutes anyways making the display show a no signal message before turning itself off.

I have the same 1080p screen since 11 years, time to upgrade next year.

Personally I’m only going to to get an oled with burn-in warranty. Cause I want to abuse the monitor

@@Swisshost 11 years is crazy

@@lemonke5341 It really is, looks like I have just luck. My entire PC is 11 years old too and runs just fine, only change I made is SDD and GPU. i7 4770k just don't want to die

It is. Another oled user, over 2,000 hours, no burn in.

You may have already purchased something but I would like to warn you about Samsung. Their HDMI 2.1 ports don't seem to work. It never worked for my 2020 Q95T and it also doesn't seem to work properly for 2023 models like the QN90C. If you don't care about 4K@120Hz/fully utilizing HDMI 2.1 you're fine but if you want 4K@120Hz with HDR, 10 bit, etc. Than you might wanna go a different route.

​@@zoopa9988 I'm still in the process of choosing, now I'm testing the monitor from MSI MPG 321URX. So far, the impressions are positive, but it is strange that only one HDMI 2.1 cable is included in the package, there is no DP or USB-C cables.

Burn in wouldn't be such a big concern for everyone if OLED monitors weren't super expensive.

It really isn't. 1200 hours is nothing. It doesn't prove or disprove anything at all about OLED monitors.

so should I stick with my ips Aorus ad27qd ?

@@FrancisSyCoCo personally I am never going back from OLED, I never had an IPS, i had VA before but, OLED is just another level of color accuracy and contrast.

@@Aggnog well your comment proves you dont really know what ur talking about... Considering how new and unused OLEDs are as of right now, 1200h usage feedback is actually very valuable. You wanna know whats entirely useless? pointing fingers saying "thats wrong" without having any better answer or solution.

there are applications that automatifcally hide the mouse cursor after a period of inactivity. might want to try that

Yall too lazy to simply press the power button?

yeah lol@@НААТ

I do the same lol. There are some mouse cursor setting which give you the option to make the cursor black with a white outline so even if you don't swipe the mouse to the side of the screen there's still only just a few white pixels on the screen.

Except your G7 absolutely does not have flawless deep blacks lol.. or color reproduction. VA panels are atrocious in comparison.

@@d1gw33d It bothers me so much when average consumers try to comment on concerns from people about deeply technical issues, like color accuracy or proper contrast ratios. I've had _so_ many people across several Discord servers try to tell me their $120 "HDR" monitor with a VA panel is "perfectly accurate" and has "pure black and pure white" when they enable HDR mode. Like, I'm glad that you're happy with your purchase but I'm so sorry, you are not watching HDR content on your Walmart monitor and getting a true HDR experience.

You can totally see that a VA panel does not have flawless black levels. Maybe you can't tell right now, but your phone is probably AMOLED. Go turn off your lights and put both on a dark screen with something white in the middle.

@@d1gw33d Bro im not saying that the black levels or colours are flawless. Im saying that the panel itself is flawless. There has been no deterioration like with OLED. I shouldve been more specific there. Ofc OLED black contrast response times and colours are in another league.

Genius

Until you realize that the GPU uses +100 W in menu.

No offense, but I don't know why do people even mention stats like this... Like, YEAH, I would fucking hope that 1500 hours into using a ~1000$ product, it hasn't gotten any defects yet. 1500 hours of, for example, 8 hours a day usage is about HALF A YEAR. 4 hours a day (which is more reasonable) is still just around a year. That should be a given minimum expectation, not something to celebrate, no? This sounds somewhat like saying "hey, I'm 30 years old and I haven't had a heart attack yet, I'm doing great!'. I'm thinking about getting an OLED, but It's just kinda weird to me when people even bother mentioning these, well, rookie numbers and seem to act as if that's somehow a positive result? Or is good OLED lifespan just supposed to be a few years and people buying them replace their monitors every 1.5-2 years and are happy if it lasts that long? Basically that means you're rich and that's fine if you have the money to experience top notch visual quality but is that the expectation I should have or what?

@@TheCabIe Yes I do replace my monitor about every 2 years yeah. And as he said in the video: people buying Oled rn are basically beta testers because nobody knows how long they last and OLED is just organic, so ofc it is deteriorating over time. Thats the downside of having the best picture quality

@@TheCabIe I have like 5.000+ hours of pc usage, mostly gaming on a C9 from 2019, with full brightness and no sign of burn-in. Never even seen retention. I am not worried at all about burn-in at this point. LCD has tons of issues on day one so I'd rather have a small risk of burn-in than settling with terrible image quality on day one.

ill get oled when the text clarity if fixed...

@@PhilippeCJR Honestly that’s the last thing out of the other problems that I have. You barely even notice it unless you stare really close. VRR flicker and the coating making some colors look grainy are much worse to me.

@@Simon_Denmark Does the flicker happen in certain situations like low fps?

@@despooked It’s mostly when FPS fluctuates a lot and also depends what’s happening on the screen which I can’t really pinpoint for you. LG even has a notice on the VRR that flickering may occur in certain gaming environments.

it is fixed in a lot of other operating systems, just not windows.

Agreed, I don’t think that I’ve even seen Tim (Monitors unboxed) mention it in any way.

​@@Simon_Denmarkhe did

@@maegnificant Ah could you tell me the video title?

@@Simon_Denmark it's one of the gsync vs freesync ones

That is not 100% given, but makes sense to wait a few more years to be 100% sure it would not kill it with that use. Until then the panels surely improve again.

@@nathanaelniklaus2981​​⁠I currently use an IPS monitor as my main. It already has a temporary “burn in” during work hours, so in my case, sadly I’m sure I would have problems with an OLED. (I so wish for an OLED for gaming :( )

No it wouldn't. I know this because I used it exactly like you say. Zero burn in.

It would kill an OLED? And you're basing this claim on what? Your emotions? Did you even view the video you're commenting on, dude? I use this precise monitor for productivity. Clown.

@@d1gw33d Interesting. Very cool when people with heavy usage come out to tell people to stop worrying when using LG OLED. I really am confident with the technology, but have not used the LG C3 more than a few months.

Only angle view is bad for VA

i have been using my C1 from 2021 august for more than !!!11000!!! hours already because i work on this and also watch films, play games etc. sot it pretty much runs 12-15 hours a day. And i have got lots of burn-in already. It started about 2 month ago and now it became worse and worse quicker than ever. It was good until i reached the 9000-10000 hours usage threshold.

Thats subjective. Depends on how much a person is using the monitor

You mean 10h a day avg isn’t a lot?

@@kirasama1718 That's quite a bit, literally the bare minimum for a monitor: 6-8 hours for work, 2-4 hours for gaming/serials/rest. I've had monitors running ~15 hours a day for years, for example.

@@user-qh5uy1bs9rbrother you need to touch grass

My first 144hz is a decade old asus tn panel and its still fine. 1200h is n o t h i n g.

panel lottery

3000000 hours? nice

@@avalanche222 3k. 3,000. 3000k. Three thousand. Tree thousand.

@elcactuar3354 don’t know what culture thinks 3000 is 3 million but okay.

@@SVT_LIGHTNING @SVT_LIGHTNING k means "thousand" hence 1k is 1000, 10k is 10000, 3000k is 3000000.

I mean LG just gives their typical 2 year warranty which doesn’t even make it clear if burn-in is covered. Dell for example has 3 year warranty specifically for burn-in. I did ask LG support here in EU and they did say that it’s ”usually covered in the warranty”.

@@Simon_Denmark ”usually covered in the warranty” is a clever way of saying it's not covered.

@@eudyptes5046 That’s what I meant with the quotation marks.

1223 hours is nothing. People should not talk until they accumulate 6000 hours over 2 years on such a monitor. I have the only OLED with 3 year warranty, the AW3423DWF from Dell... And it will burn in on 5% greys within 6 months as shown by RTINGS. This is just a reality of owning OLED, that's the price you pay. There is no "risk of burn in", it is coming... As surely as our end.

What?!? Everybody knows the human eye cannot can't see beyond a refresh rate higher than 1221Hz, everybody know that. :-P

Whoever explains averages to you first

Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.

Well, if you have to go to work every day you can probably only play like 1 hour per day if even that. Meanwhile some people could easily play 7 hours per day. Or more. Not to mention leave/forget the computer on for days. This test seems pretty mild. A monitor should last for at least a decade, not couple years. I have no trust in OLEDs yet. They are going to burn in sooner rather than later. Just look at your phone and there will probably be burn-ins already. The keyboard, clock, battery %, game interface, and so on.

​@elcactuar3354 No, it has a built-in pixel shift in the monitor to prevent burn-in. There are extra pixels at each edge of the screen and the image slowly moves in that extra space. To be honest with you I never even noticed it and I wouldn't be concerned about it personally.

@elcactuar3354 lol okay

okay ich habe innerhalb von 3 Sekunden gemerkt, dass er Deutscher ist, also hätte Geld verwettet, dass es so ist :D man hört einfach immer eine gewisse Akzent-Note raus, kann man glaub machen, was man will. Man muss wahrscheinlich mehrere Jahre wirklich nur Englisch reden, damit das irgendwann so gut wie weg ist haha ist das erste Video von ihm, das mir vorgeschlagen wurde bisher und deshalb auch das erste, was ich gesehen habe. Guter erster Eindruck!