I don’t think people realize how dope crooked and joell are lyrically

I appreciate these lyricists Finally pulling back the curtain. Everyone Eats… rappers AND writers. 🙏🏾💪🏾💥

23 year old Biggie wrote Ready to Die..Just as important a 19 year old Rakim penned Paid In Full…2 classics by these young brothers that still stand the test of time!!

A true writer can channel anything to convey the message!!!!

Hoffa's line of questioning is top tier...He knows the right questions to ask 💯🔥

Gotta Thank @MathHoffa and The Crew For This Last Month Of Great Interviews

i always been a fan of Joel Ortiz , dude just naturally talented and underrated idc what anyone says.

Shout out to Hoffa for inviting two of the nastiest emcees of the new millennium to his show! You killin ish, Math!!! 🔥

Crook’s Pen has always been elite level Since death row days respect, Joel nice also ✊🏾💯 salute Hoffa Gang

Big up for Crook for mentioning MC Abdul!!! Thank you Math for shouting him out!

Ghost writing always been a part of hip hop and always will be

23 was old back then compared to now... by 19, I had a prison bid, a son, and mad life experience. These kids now got it good outside of places like Chicago where they still trapped in that mentality we grew up in. I'm 35 now. Growing up in the 90s was different. And worse for the generation before me.

Diary of a ghost writer..a best seller waiting to be published 🖋📚

Much love to MC Abdul! That was really dope for shorty to get that shout out. He’s nice, too!

I know my heart, but the Bible says, "The heart is deceitful above of all things and desperately wicked" and a deceitful heart cannot diagnose a deceitful heart...

Man I straight up love the content, conversations and the direction of this show..

WOW.. I just became even a bigger fan of Joell and Crook! We'll all be surprised if we found out what they've ghostwritten for others, and not just Hip-Hop 🔥🔥

Let's go 🔥🙏🏽 Math killing the game with these introspective conversations.

I did notice joel singing on that last album and I enjoyed it. Crooked and Joel made my playlist so fast with that album. I was listening to that just last night. I got atleast 7 favorites from that and i enjoy the skits, but i also have favorite skits from that album that also made my playlist which i always listen to. 💥

Crooked is freaking monster … go to his death row days to now 20 years of just mind blowing verses and deep hard shit

Life after death was written by a 23 year old!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥that’s Ridiculous

I enjoy every clip out out on this cast!! Its all informative and fire!!!

This is why I call this show the best show that's on KZfaq right now because you can learn a lot from this

Pac was that dude. When I listen to his song they hit me hard. Brenda Got a baby made me feel sick to my stomach. Dear Mama always brings me to tears, Mr against the world makes me want to go against anybody. I love the fact that he is still relevant today 20 + years after his passing because he didn't write for his generation but for posterity

That AI analogy was top tier!! Respect

Sometimes it's not what is said but the person that says it that makes it powerful

Damn how cool it is for MC Abdul to get a shout out by these guys on this show. That's love right there.

I was born in 94. Slaughterhouse is my favorite rap group of all time. House Rules was just 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Pac wrote from the soul, you didn't have to be a hard-core person to understand Pac. My parents passed when I was young and when hear Pain I think about my parents. That song spoke to me during my middle and high school years. Dear Mama was another song that takes me to a place man. Pac was our generation Marvin Gaye.

Good episode. Deep. Respect Hoffa. You on a roll.

This THE best show on yt no cap, much love from naptown

These 2 are so important in hip hop and the music game for cats like me man. Please keep it coming man Harbor City up my ninjas shits nockin

3:51 might be the biggest thing in hip hop that some OGs wont get but ,Hoffa hit the nail on the nose .

“MY ART FORM IS THE MOST COMPLEX” 🔥🔥🔥🔥 #PHANTOM 🎭

Always amazing content homie, we rocking wit u down south Peace! ✊🏾💯

Hands down this was my personal favorite......explained a lot 👌

Speaking of being young and conveying feelings we all can relate to ..."Can we talk...for a minute?" Props to talented Tevin Campbell forever. It's not always about the writing, but the conveying of the emotions.

Math never gets the info or names that he want to hear 😂😂 much respect to all of those guest who never drop names (even though Math begs for it) 🤣

Yoooooo you got crooked and Joel on here.... Big Salute Math. Big F.....ng Salute my G!!!

Good shit Hoffa interviewing my guys

I'm waiting for the conversation about royce on the show.

Big, Jay, Nas, EM, and Jadakiss. Yeah I’m sure he’s not talking about my top five 😂😂😂

Math Hoffa ask the best questions.

HERE WE GOOOOOOO - WIT THE CODE TALK!!!!!

Let's hurry up and get to the Elephant in the Room. Joe&5/9

Homie Skeme From Inglewood Dope Artist. Wrote “Fancy” - Iggy. Huge record Bigger than his catalog. But at the end of the Day he Wrote it. It’s a lot of things that come with Being a huge artist.

Everybody usually that they write for ends up having a lot of fans and everything loving the music

YEA!!!! AINT NOTHIN WRONG WIT SINGIN FACTS!!!! MATH DO YO THANG BRUH!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜

I don't know if there's further to this convo, but it would be interesting to hear Crook's and Joell's feelings/thoughts on their writings after releasing it to whomever. How do they feel about some of their lyrics blowing up, perhaps even more so than things they haven't given away? What is the experience like coming into contact with artists and, perhaps, their claims of greatness or otherwise notoriety when these guys know they've taken from their pen to get said acclaim (if there is such a scenario)? Is there a crisis of identity associated with the notion that another's voice or face is the only thing making something a hit when it was their lyrics that hit? I'm curious, because, for one, I could not take another's writing as part of my own career, even if as a singer, but also, where's the line to be drawn for creatives and crafting, especially if we value experiences? Are we more superficial than we say (I think that's a given, really, but with music as well?)? Either way, I'd love to hear their perspectives.

" Whoever supposedly makin me hits, but ain't got no hits, sound like they need me." - Drake

Great Episode

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 loved this

Math fishing for answers be hilarious... hahahahah "I see what you did there...!"

Is Joell saying that “Brendas got a baby” was ghostwritten for 2Pac ?!?!

Math - you set the bar high my brother

Do you my brother congratulations for everything that you've been doing you deserve everything that you have

Ghost face .man that song fucks me up every time I hear it. Got dam

Joell Ortiz wrote obsessed for Mariah Carey!!!🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭

Math nailed it

Wisdom is in the building wooooo!

Just go ahead and say Y’all wrote for Drake!!! 🤣🤣

Rest in peace Tupac Biggie Small condolence to the family your soul live on greatest of all time

No matter the age it’s almost always relatable

It’s HOFFA!!!

I go back and forth with the ghostwriting shit. If I heard today Hov didn't write any of the shit I grew up on then I think I would feel a certain type of way. But at the end of the day it wouldn't fuck with my appreciation of the music. I still remember being in my late teens when someone showed me Rhymefests verse on Jesus Walks and it was the saame verse word for word and that exposed Ye using ghostwriters but I didn't care at all. I think the art is the most important thing. I do think it takes certain niggas out of conversations in terms of who is the best Emcee, etc. I fuck with Drake and he can rap, but niggas penning that much of your records makes you a great artist, but I can't say you're one of the best emcees ever. Best artists/rappers? Sure.

MATH WADDUP!!!!💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥💜💜💜💜

Heavy Gratitude.

Wish Esso and Hynaken were in the building to stand on that “money talk” they was kickin when Royce was there

Thank you bro, at least somebody is saying it yall swear these big artist really be writing all thi shit especially on these commercial hits and projects they push out, it takes a team to do this stuff😂

Nice!!!

People forget how long these dudes been around. And, they still underrated!!

Ghost writing is a grey area. You can make claims. No one can dispute

What I wouldn't give to be able to sit in on that part of the convo about ghost writing, for heavy rotation artists, big high rotation records, and writing for other genres and turn the cameras off. Those NDA's....I hope they don't last forever...

I'm proud of dis nih Hoffa for actually trying to be professional

Joell's lyricism is 🔥

KXng gives props to PAC and math instantly throws in the Big too😂 KXng is giving props to PAC towards the end once again and he casually disregards him 😂👎🏾💩

Ghost writing could mean a lot of different things. From writing a couple bars to writing an entire song. Who knows what part of these songs these guys wrote for these different artists.

Yeah when I really started writing about life and was going through more stuff I was like 18, 19

Can't wait for you to drop this gem in entirety... HOFFA GANG 💯

These niggas be like "Jay, u should change this ONE word, its offensive" Jay-Z: "Aight" These niggas: "We wrote all Jay's bars, and ya whole top 5!"

Glad to see Crooked I & Joell Ortiz on My Expert Opinion. Both put out solid albums and have always been lyrical. Nothing wrong with getting that ghostwriting money. A true lyricist doesn't have a ghostwriter though.

Respect to the TANK reference! Milwaukee stand up!

I wonder if they written for my top 5 1. Jada 2. Busta 3. Dmx 4. 2pac 5. I can never settle.... so I leave open (biggie, styles p, sheek, method man, redman, mase, ll cool j, first album Camron, and such) I think my picks are all writing their own and others

It’s a difference when you ghost write a hit and not just a song . Anybody can say or claim they wrote something but did the song make a impact or become an actual hit

Crooked My Dude!!!!

I love this show.

Fans dont understand that the best lyricists in the world cant write a hit for shit

2 of the best. And Crook is a goat

Oppression, Depression, and Rejection has no age requirement.

My top 5 is Nas, Method Man, Tech N9ne, Ras Kass & MF Doom.. I know damn well they didn't write for those guys lol, but hey maybe they're correct when it comes to other people's top 5's..

At this point I’m getting tired of rappers saying they ghost written for top rappers when they don’t say any names.

J is talking about Pop and etc... Once your pen is fire, you can dumb it down, and are connected you get those opportunities.

I'm that type of writer Mecca spoked about. Been writing poetry since the 10th grade

Crook no you havent wrote for no top 5 and if you did you wrote the chorus, Chill!!!

“Not everything I pen is Hiphop” 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Math "tank" Hoffa singing 😂😂😂😂

Now we podding!

I don’t believe it can’t make a hit for ya self but can make a hit for someone else

Hoffa needs to interview Double O ask Treach and Redman about Big Bra!

This talk needed E$SO great interview still