Linus: Pop OS! didn't work because you didn't update Luke: Mint didn't work because you DID update

What I take away from the whole LTT Linux Saga is that both Linus and Luke would really, really like for Linux to reach a point so that they can use it as their "daily driver" OS.

Linus impersonating microsoft calling intel is G O L D

If it helps, I lost my entire morning at work today because macOS decided the Unity install I’ve been using for months is no longer code signed properly. In order to reinstall Unity through their proprietary hub, I had to turn off Apple’s chip security in recovery mode.

I'm actually very sure that Luke's claim about things being little slow on Ubuntu isn't flawed. I'm about sure he was running those damned Snap packed progs. They take ages to start, especially in first start.

Luke should go dual-booting,so he have backup windows without installing it every time linux does something unfixable in 5 minutes

The thing that is frustrating about Linux is that sometimes I get an absolutely flawless experience and everything works great, but then other times absolutely everything falls apart. Ubuntu has gone down the toilet over the last several years, and updates for most distros is just gambling. I will say, setting up a restore utility like Timeshift has absolutely saved me pain and suffering at times.

I'm 100% certain Ubuntu felt slow to Luke because of those god damn snaps. Unfortunately, Ubuntu shoves snap packaged apps down your throat by default.

Luke makes one of the best points to counter critics: at some point you just want to get work done. This is a sentiment that I have a LOT, but ironically the least on Linux, my daily driver. I have this problem the most for software updates that my iPhone or Windows PC want to do for me just when I need to get things done quickly. Users don't want to install or troubleshoot a printer the evening before they need to produce an important document; they just want to hit "Print" and be done with it. Neither do I think it's reasonable to spend days getting any kind of system up and running.

There’s a philosophical difference that I hate about people that know Linux. They value learning about how to set up their computer, and don’t see it as time wasted because they derive pleasure out of it or have the patience for it. That’s no reason to condescend someone-not everyone values the same things you do. There’s not enough hours in a day for me to want to do that, and I use Linux every day. I get extremely frustrated when I have to fix my system because frankly, I don’t care what went wrong and it’s always something different. Developer time is more expensive than run time, and in the same way, time spent doing work USING your computer is more valued than time spent FIXING your computer. If you drove a car professionally and you had to service it yourself, maintain it when it breaks, and enjoyed tweaking it so it did exactly what you wanted, good for you, I applaud you. However, there’s a reason most people drive automatic cars, most companies outsource the job of servicing and maintenance, and most managers get annoyed if something breaks and costs time. They frankly don’t care that you ran low on oil because the drain plug washer was reused, which can save money when done correctly. They’re still going to be annoyed. If you can’t understand why people get frustrated when they have to use Linux and you choose to say snarky things to people being earnest in trying, you have to understand that this behavior is insufferable, and is the reason why you feel like you’re shouting into the void. It’s because people have different values, and no amount of condescension will change that. If you prefer the world where I look down on you for not knowing how to service your car, and you look down on me for not knowing how to service my computer, is that the world you want to live in?

I really agree on the point with the ads and telemetry in windows... Telemetry in terms of crashes and bugs is fine but I don't want ads in my OS that I paid for quite a lot... Also the pre-installed bloatware like candy crush. How many 40 year old moms use windows for gaming? They use phones for that. Funny thing is that the telemetry doesn't even work because MS did remove all the useful features from Start menu anyway.

Luke, timeshift is your friend. Faster than reinstalling any operating system. That being said there is no point in battling against your os when you have work to do.

I’m really REALLY hoping Valve can come to the rescue with SteamOS 3 and can sorta take the kinks of Linux out. I’ll be setting up a dual or tri-boot as soon as it drops with windows and maybe mint

Windows just works is the essential part of why many folks still return despite Linux being a fun experience. At the same rate, I really like that Luke honestly gave Linux a try on his workstation. The worst part about this whole thing however is neither Linux or Windows but rather his shoulder problems :/

I tried to do it with you guys, but after day 1 of having no issues, the system crashed… when I tried to boot up the OS would not load, stuck with no OS. So I said screw it and went back to windows.

5:25 Linus's frustration with windows chipset drivers is the best content in years.

I'm testing Pop!_OS on my machine and just recently there was an update. So I click update and it does all the done's and do's to get the update done, it restarts, and I'm looking at windows. For whatever inexplicable reason that thing just went and changed the loading order in bios. I have no idea why, no idea how, it just did that. Linux experience is like jumping out of an airplane, non-stop adventure till' the end. :D

(Mint Daily Driver) --- Simplest multi-monitor-without-bs fix in linux is just to get everything setup and updated (the correct drivers are important) THEN hook up the extra monitor(s).

I've taken a break from Linux lately since I got my new display so I can mess with HDR and RT stuff which is pretty much non existent under Linux atm (open-source). Waiting on major HDR and display control to appear in Wayland. Could take a while. I still boot to Linux to play a few things which have linux versions, fortunately dual booting solves most problems. I want Linux to succeed as I hate Windows+MS stuff and love open-source stuff; but it needs a few more key features & more polish, getting there.

Not surprised in the slightest that Luke has experienced the things he had. Canonical went shoulders deep into the their amazing new ecosystem, and it has not yet worked for anyone

meanwhile after over a month of using Linux Mint, I've wiped my Windows drive, formatted to Ext4 and now it's extra storage for my now Linux PC.

I had the same problem with my mint after a kernel update. only thing that solved it was going to update manager--view--kernels and switch to 5.13 kernel. I don't have a windows license so had to find a solution even if it wasn't the best one.

As for the drivers stuff.. The reason you don't have to deal with much of it is because 70% of the kernel size is just drivers to run hardware... Impressive, but it is still quite a bit of distance to go.

I went through Luke's experience of Installing Windows 11 and Linux (Kubuntu) back to back a week ago. Windows was an absolute nightmare to install and I still have a couple of those "yellow squares in the device manager" that even the manufacturer's drivers didn't fix. Linux on the other hand took about 10 minutes to go from plugging in the USB drive to being fully installed, including the programs that I need to work with.

Same thing happened when I tried Ubuntu, added with audio issues. I can’t stand Gnome 3 and PulseAudio. Switched to Elementary and it’s become my favorite distro

Wow! This series of videos has been like a passionate Italian movie with a dramatic finale! But I understand Luke so much and agree on some of the points of this video. I've used the unbreakable Debian Linux for 2 years, went from stable to unstable and then sid. And then, I just wanted my computer to have the work done. I still have Linux installed on my old PC and on WSL2. Windows Linux and the other operating systems are just tools.

Luke: I use Chocalety on Windows for package management. At least during initial setup. I have a script under version control that I download and run after OS install that runs a decent amount of unattended software setup.

I'm just a Linux guy who is BUMMED to see this kind of instability on Debian based distros. REALLY BROS? THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING THERE THESE DAYS?!

Luke, you should DEFINITELY consider dual-booting! You can have Windows as a backup in case you need "just works" at all costs, and still have Mint set as the default.

With Windows now you can just winget to install most common things, as if it's a package manager. Certainly apps like Slack and Chrome can be installed this way, and you can easily write a script to automate it.

Luke, that's the reason I plan on setting up a dual boot system for my next computer. Try to daily drive Linux but if I can't get something to work the way I want in the time I need it to work I'll just restart the computer and do what I need to do in Windows and circle back to that issue when I have the time and patience.

I had an issue with Ubuntu not working on the HDMI monitor with an AMD card a week or two ago, it turns out the latest kernel was F'd up, so in grub I selected the older kernel... after spending a couple hours debugging.

I understand this so much. I have a dualboot. Manjaro I3 (based on Arch btw) and W10. I am a programmer so having to solve some issues from time to time is something I can handle (but to be fair, I can't remember when something got messed up without me trying some wizardry :D ). I got used to the system and it is great. But I have some stuff I need to do that requires Windows. Some music related stuff, or me being on home office. And maaaan, it sucks so bad whenever I have to boot to Windows :D.

And that's what I'm finding at the moment with Linux. For the most part, things work fine - except for some strange reason transferring files over a Gigabit port is extremely slow. I've been trying to diagnose the problem for days with the help of people on the distro forum who have been very helpful and patient. Although as Luke pointed out, at some point you just have to go with what works. I can't spend days diagnosing something that really should just work. And therein lies the problem again I find with Linux desktop. For all the great stuff Linux has, depending on the distribution there's always something funky that is a deal breaker to getting stuff done.

isn't is that snap packages are use for everything in ubuntu right? and that makes all applications take long to load?

I have dual boot with windows and openSUSE. I thought at first that I would switch all the time, but it's actually not that often I switch to windows. Only for Valorant, Fortnite and sometimes some random games that pop up. I have to use windows on my laptop because the school I work at use the adobe programs. But openSUSE have covered almost all my personal needs. Instead of adobe I use GIMP (photoshop), Inkscape (illustrator), penpot (XD), davinchi resolve / kdenlive (premiere pro and AE)

I'm an experienced Linux user and I would do the same thing as Luke in this situation Edit: There are people who want to get work done and then there are purists who want to use FOSS no matter what Edit 2: Too many insecure people in replies, stop taking everything negative

Been running Linux on my main workstation for the last 6 or 7 months. No way I am going back.....However, my laptop is still running Windows10, and I may add another ssd and dual boot Linux

Luke, my guess is that some USB or PCIe power saving mode was turned on after an upgrade on some power daemon. Never know how those settings will affect things, it’s a crapshoot

2021 and we're still facing display issues. X11 oldness combined with Wayland not being ready for everyone making it actually suck.

I've been using Ubuntu on my Lenovo Thinkpad for software development. No problems whatsoever and it's been stable for years. Even the Thinkpad dock worked right out of the box.

Weirdly just wanting to get work done is why I use Linux like every tool it depends on the work you are doing I suppose

The bit about Halo reminds me of a glitch that happened when I was playing a week or 2 ago, like Linus mentioned someone left midgame and after that someone new joined but somehow got added to the wrong team so it ended up being a 5v3, it was not fun.

Joint issues are so annoying. I messed up my neck when I had a concussion a couple of years ago (practically whiplash), and my neck had been getting progressively worse. I eventually had pain 24/7. My wife and I went through every conceivable scenario to make it better. We finally found a combination of adjusting the bed frame and firmness of my pillows that worked, insofar as reducing the constant pain. The pain began to spread down my neck into my shoulders. There was still much that I would rather not do with my neck. I went to my doctor and got a referral for physical therapy. My wife asked why I had to go to PT, and not simply get my neck adjusted. The muscles in my neck had adapted, the best they knew how, to my screwed up bones. I have to do exercises to help my muscles remember the way they're supposed to be. Overwise, after any "adjustment", those muscles will try to pull said bones back into the messed up position. It's not an easy process, especially when you just want to get on with your life.

I do hope you both revisit trying Linux in say 6 - 12 months and see what's improved

Ever since Ubuntu started placing focus on Snaps, it's been... Yeah, laggy is probably the right word. Self-contained is cool and all, but it just isn't the same.

I have been daily driving Ubuntu for 5 years at work now. And previously used RHEL 5 for almost 6 years. So I am very well acquainted with the quirks. I used to have the random monitor turn off and then on again a few years ago when I was running Ubuntu 16.04 (now I am running 20.04). But even now, if I ever have to reboot my laptop, with my two external monitors it is totally random as to whether the monitors will come back up or not. Sometimes I have to reboot again, or unplug the cables and plug them back in. Sometimes closing the lid will make one of the monitors undetectable. Once it works, it is painless but everytime I have to reboot it is like a 5 minute ritual to get the displays working again. Imaging having to do that when you are already running late for your morning meeting where you are supposed to present.

I use multiple cad softwares and tuning programs regularly along with Microsoft office specifically to send documents back and forth and edit them. Not even about to attempt to get that kind of stuff up and running on Apple or Linux. I love the idea of Linux, but most places I’m using software on a laptop are job sites with bad cell signal and no wifi, or in someone’s car in a metal building with no wifi or cell signal for a hotspot. I physically can’t search for a workaround online if I show up and something goes screwy with a program, I just don’t get paid.

Coming back to Windows feels like suddenly getting rid of a persistent awful headache.

Luke, give Fedora Silverblue a try, or just Fedora. No fanboying here, just a suggestion from an old Linux user. PS: linux can suck too, every piece of software does.

I get Luke, work has to get done. I virtualise a distro and just run that on windows. That way I also have a backup if things goes bad. You don't need 3D graphics for work most of the time anyway so...

Microsoft including ancient drivers for WIndows is probably for backward compatibility reasons: most modern interfaces have a core feature set that has been stable for 15+ years and it makes more sense to include drivers based on the vendor-agnostic core feature set than drivers for every vendor-specific fork. Bundled drivers get the computer online and updates can pick things up from there. If we exclude GPUs, I don't remember having to manually install drivers for anything other than oddball hardware in 10+ years.

Linux should learn few things from Blender. At first they was super protective about their workflow in program, but after 2.8 version changed everything form foundation. Blender became more user friendly as result and took it mass appeal like a champ

I know what you mean though I have been a gui ubuntu / mint user of Linux for years but I have not delved beneath the gui.. recently for whatever reason I have decided to start learning about the grub command line and the Linux TTY Etc. so I think I'm a little better now than I was before but in previous situations if I lost my desktop I was lost. It kind of feels like a typical coming-of-age kind of thing, and a lot of us are late bloomers LOL

I’ve had this one happen before. Try going into settings and disabling, then re-enabling your second monitor.

I have had the EXACT same issues with linux as luke has had, like, Linux when its working is Fantastic, to get it working from day dot, a huge ballache, and if something breaks.. good luck trying to figure out whats gone wrong....

"It shouldn't happen on a paid system" Neither should a pay system have that amount of bloatware and specially they shouldn't have ads inside the system. Last point, I think some xrand command could have solved it, but I legit haven't found this problem. It could have something to do with gnome, since both system use gnome packages and some of the secondary monitor options have to do with the desktop environment config. That might be why pop os is making their own packages, go not rely on the mess that is gnome

Congrats. I tried hard with Linux Mint but it just didn't have the things I wanted. It felt unpolished, and it was good for basic use but I kept using Windows more and more for games and eventually never booted back into Mint. That doesn't mean I'm not rooting for it to improve and become more accessible.

Have a issue with displaylink and the handshake which turns external monitors off, mostly right after sleep or even when notification pops up. My current workaround is to use ctrl+f2 to drop into another terminal, then back into X with ctrl+f1 after it has awaken the external screens.

You either go rolling or stable for desktops (Ubuntu server is pretty stable because there are fewer moving parts). I had a rock solid arch install for years now. All others I tried for desktop, pop, Ubuntu, manjaro, broke at some point because patching their own packages is hard work. I think arch is great for everything, but again you have to put in work to put a desktop together. Maybe the overhead of understanding your distro saves you later headache because you are either not going to mess up your distro that easily, or of it breaks you know how to fix it in 5 minutes.

At this point, Arch has become so well put together that it and its derivatives seem like the "right" choice. At one point you needed a lot of experience to use Arch at all, and you'd tell new people to just use Mint or Elementary because they're easy. But now, no matter your skill level, just use Manjaro or Garuda depending on how much eye candy you want by default in your desktop. I guess SUSE and Ubuntu still have a place if you really need professional support, but they've fallen way behind for home users.

Oh boy looks like I'm really lucky and blessed that Linux (Solus) simply works for the last three years, even all my gaming needs. Had to rollback once to fix something and that's it. Even on Windows I had to fix more broken stuff.

Luke I think you woulda had a better experience with manjaro ironically, even while using cinnamon (I use that myself, mainly for the mouse wheel zoom feature that every other desktop environment I've tried seem to refuse to support, the result of that attitude is that I don't use 'em), I say ironically because being an arch based distro it's not supposed to be for new linux users, been the best experience I've had with any linux distro so far and I'm no expert at linux.

I feel you. On this sooooo much. So does my wife.. and my daughter. All these frustrations about windows and Microsoft, their recent practices, and steps backwards, wayyy backwards, are why I'm working on putting MacOS on my Ryzen system. Yes I still need Windows for games. But I'm choosing to do everything else in MacOS. No ads, simple UI, quick and snappy. I really wish that Linux was up to the challenge of being a simple general user daily driver. It just isn't yet, and after 35ish years of development and thousands of distros that come and go. I really don't think it ever will come to full fruition.

At this point I find it easier to deal with Windows Server than regular Windows with its """user-friendly""" experience

Well, Luke is still in a position to switch back to Windows as a quick fix -- he hasn't been using Linux as a main OS for that long. For me, Windows is mostly foreign territory; switching for me would be a long fix. More interested in whether he intends to try again.

"Oh my goodness, I was so cheesed!" I get a kick out of how Luke curses like a wholesome dad.

Recently my new PC that i ordered came. Building it was so much fun. What wasnt fun was if i had a problem i couldnt count on youtube. I had a problem with ryzen drivers not installing saying a system update is required to install them. Tried using youtube but on videos with tens of thousands of views wiith a little to no likes all the comments were "it worked" I decided not to trust it and went online to search posts and blogs and such. So for anyone random that also has a problem with that. I saw a guy on reddit and he said that it doesnt update because your regional formatting settings are not English - United States. I changed them and it worked. IDK why thats a problem but there's the fiix.

Windows 11 is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Ubuntu 20.04 runs much faster than Windows 10 on the same machine. This is a very computer old 2008 Dell 1720 Vostro. I love the old laptop and simple wont let it go. I no longer need Windows for anything I do sooo.

@~6 minutes, Linus goes off on a rant about chipset drivers on windows, and it is glorious. I think this is an outcome of having daily droven linux for a bit, and understanding that, 'hey, why the hell did we ever put up with this lameness?'. Stuff like this becomes super noticable, when you have enough alternate experiance of OTHER things, that you can finally 'measure'. Remember, to measure anything, you have to have something to compare it against. A ruler, a 'unit'. If all you know is the first one you ever picked up, and dislike difference because 'but I'd have to learn everything all over again', then you'll never really be able to appreciate the thing you 'know', neither for it's good points, nor it's bad points. You just won't know. You can't know. The truth is, you learn a different yet similar thing, actually much quicker than the first time through: It's really not so bad. Uncomfortable, yes: You may find that the thing you were comfortable with in your ignorance, was actually never really as good as you thought it, and you might be challenged by finding your own past judgement to be faulty, now you know better. But learning a different thing, won't be as hard or as slow as that first thing. Only temporarily awkward and maybe temporarily painful. Like excercising a muscle you never before had to use. But the suffering rapidly fades, and the benefits start accumulating, slow at first, then exponentialy faster. The more different things you really learn, and test that learning by actually doing things with, the better you get to appreciate that different things are good for different things. The right tool for the job can save so much time and effort. A jack of all trades is a master of none, but sometimes you just have to 'get it done' even if it's not pretty. Familiarity and the speed it brings can substitute for 'the right tool', if the job can be done quickly and sufficiently well. But you need to know both ways to get things done to be able to properly choose, to have the wisdom to make the right trade-off, Not just 'golden hammer' your way through. Anyway, I remember well going through a phase exactly where coming back to windows from linux was even more uncomfortable, precisely because I now started to recognise where the bullshit timewasting is. No longer do I look at the 'we're now installing a driver for your device' message after plugging in some USB thing and think 'cool, it is working for me', instead now I think 'Why isn't it just done already? USB is all about standards, and it was just a damn standard USB device; it shouldn't even need a damn driver. It should just work, and on every other OS, it just DOES. This is an unacceptable waste of my time.' And actually, that kinda sucks too. But I think Linus will be able to avoid the trap of then going into full fanboy mode and just starting to resent and hate being 'forced' to use windows because some boss said so, for now utterly clear reasons of 'the law of the instrument'. But this is because he is his own boss. Sometimes I think that windows being just so unbearably crappy, and yet linux being easy to poke fun at, then lead to very many new linux fanboys getting upset enough to contribute time and effort to fix it, just to justify further their polarized stance that linux == font of all that's good, and MSFT == font of all evil. Because evidence to the contrary - like basically anything being broken - is just unbearable enough to require fixing immediately. So MSFT basically doing such a technically shit job at their politically-de-facto PC OS so many years and pissing off all the techs in dead-end 'IT' jobs basically made those same techs push hard in their own time to make linux even better than it otherwise would have been. Probably with the motivation that someday, they wouldn't be stuck fixing yet again some artificial problem caused by the complete lack of engineering culture at MSFT. That eventually it would become more and more self-evident that they were right about OSS, and Linux in particular, the whole time. And it seems to have become largely so - even if not quite the way everyone expected. More personal than a PC is a smartphone. And Windows basically has tapped out and given up on owning even a slice of that market, because they really couldn't compete. Apple showed us the way, and used BSD to get there. Google exploited the Linux kernel for smartphones with Android. Those two together are what percentage of the worldwide browser market? And then there were servers. It seems like the law of unintended consequences goes both ways - MSFT did us all dirty with their scam of legitimising selling software licenses to collect money like an extortion racket, really putting the record companies on notice. And then screwing over their own customers with their lack of care regarding any comparable performance metric - only so long as they could keep re-selling us the same thing with just a new coat of paint over it next year with some incremental gains, at least until the old blood retired out. They screwed over the techs too - making IT into a unending hell of sisyphean torture. So much so that everyone who found OSS / Linux, especially when windows was far worse than it is now, tended to turn into a Linux/GNU fan boy. All that unnecessary pain and suffering - once you understand how it all works - becomes intolerable as an enlightened IT guy: The only 'lawful good' way to work IT, is to fix things such that your customers simply no longer need you. Or to just stay 'lawful evil' and take your customers for a ride at their expense. Thankfully, there are clearly so many new, good people working at MSFT: Windows 10 has been able to largely 'catch up' with so many simple little things (even if not all yet). And it's heading in the right direction: Caring about doing a good job for its users. Just being over-all less evil.

Linus laughing in the background was priceless lol

Gnome3??? What version of Ubuntu were you using? From the description I suspect a power issue. Something unusual was at play. Fair enough, put an OS on that allows you to get your work done but I seriously recommend when you have some time to look into it more. LM (as you would know) is a fantastic OS.

It makes me said to see Luke go. I hope he makes up his mind in the future. I sure hope to see more Linux related videos.

Using windows 10 on a HDD is the worst experience possible. Something as simple as right clicking a folder is not instantaneous. Right clicking on drive C can take like 2-3 seconds to load. It's a bad experience

I used Ubuntu for 1 year, then due to some dpkg error I tried Debian then I tried MX Linux. No errors so far. They implemented easy GUI tools so there is no need to use terminal.

So Ive been running Halo infinite on my rx 6800 in 4k on my lg c1 oled and when hdr is turned on through windows randomly while in mid game on halo it breaks and the tv turns off and on but not my 2 secondary monitors and then a green tint appears across the lgs screen?Does this sound like a bug in the game? Or my cable, gpu? Idk but playing with hdr in any other game doesn't replicate this. I did also turn it off too and it doesn't happen at all.

Yeah, that sounds like ubuntu based systems, I really think that ubuntu shouldn't be the entry point, it is very buggy, I dont know how but that kind of things always happens to me when I try them, at this point I think this is why pop os is thinking about changing the base system.

Multi monitor setups are a problem in Linux. More specifically, x11's problem. My hope is Wayland fixes this.

Luke should go see someone that can do Spencer technic for his frozen shoulder

While not as dire a situation as a messed up shoulder, a huge part of why I don't use Linux as my daily driver is because there is no good colorblind feature like there is in Windows. Being someone with colorblindness, Windows is actually one of the only things out there with a solid colorblind assist, and it's not like it fixes my work flow or anything but it is such an incredibly nice feature to have so I can see things closer to how they are supposed to be seen. I don't even have to rely on a game's colorblind setting (which are usually simulations instead of aids anyway). There are ZERO Linux alternatives for that.

I've switched to Linux, and I really like Mint... But it just has weird issues. I've switched to Manjaro and it's just great, I've had no issues at all

I wish windows had real competition and they could do so much better but the only other good choice is Apple and so we keep still but my galaxy can dex mode and it is nice but I have to use android apps and you can't play steam on android OS and I think they should make a compatible version for that

I think the issue is xrandr and the compositor, with different refresh rates you get issues. these kinda things have been an issue for some time... really hoping they finally get fixed

Fedora Silverblue might be worth a shot for luke as it is immutable and image based. If the main system isn’t working its one click to rollback to a known good image.

Outside of gaming (which is very hit and miss on Linux), a lot of this comes down to what your experienced with. If you've used Windows for 15 years, solving random problems that crop up is normally pretty easy, you draw on your bank of knowledge and experience. Change your O/S and you really are building up your knowledge bank all over again. I've been lucky enough to work with Windows/Linux side by side most of my life. From that perspective, fixing random stuff that breaks/bugs out is about the same.

Chocolatey package manager for windows with a backed up list of programs to install, via import/expert, makes getting windows back to working condition so much better and quicker.

4:12 BAck in original Halo when a map did not allow rocket hack they leave. Rocket jumping was so cool back then

@luke there is a package manager on windows, there was chocolatey in windows 7, i think there's been an update since then it may have a new name now (thanks m$...) but it's a command line one so maybe not what you're looking for, hope this helps :) edit: yup, now its called winget (or maybe that's a new one but anyway) winget will work as apt-get but on a windows machine

There will never be a point where using Linux isn't like learning to use the computer all over again. Honestly, you're dealing with Windows all day long too, you're just used to Windows garbage, and you need to get used to Linux's garbage. In other words, if you want to take the plunge, take the plunge. I did it almost a decade ago. For a few months, I sacrificed some productivity. Now, it would be a sacrifice in productivity to move back to Windows. I have my GNU/Linux/BSD workflow memorized, and I'd have to relearn how it's done with proprietary software again. All software is garbage until you learn how to use. Windows is garbage even after that.

Yeah, still to this day, if you want a flawless experience with Linux, you actually need to master it. To know exactly what you want, what hardware you're going to use and what to use, what to configure, what to install, what and when to update, take the time to make a bunch of scripts that will automate your workflow... It's unfair, because you need to climb that whole mountain before getting to the holly grail.

I have done this so many times. I install Mageia, used to be Mandrake back in the day. I use it for a several days and then need to do something that is only Windows and then something else and back to Windows.

I got some optional updates left not downloaded in windows 11 because one of them caused my psu to coil whine for some reason when I did download them. Weird af

Luke: "Not having a package manager" Winget:

Huh.. interesting. Maybe it's an Nvidia update? Since both ubuntu and linux mint should use the same versions, it might have been that? Hard to tell. EDIT: Actually, I don't even know if luke is using Nvidia on his laptop.

I never had any kind of issue connecting a monitor to a laptop while running Ubuntu. I've used vga, hdmi, and dp just by plugging in the cable. Guess you had bad luck.

Any news about part 4... which we know should be pretty negative on games under Lutris?

The comments section is interresting: Some people fail safe to Linux, whereas others fall back on Windows. But nobody seems to fail safe on Apple... XD I suppose this all boils down to ease and confidence: Whichever system you trust the most and are more comfortable using will be your fail safe. At this time, there doesn't seem to be an objective better answer, since both platforms seem to have their quirks and irritants; maybe some use types trigger more quirks from a given system than others, which could objectively explain why some users have more issues with either system in regard of their usage. When speaking about tools, the one which makes us subjectively (feel) or objectively (measure) more efficient and productive - after an appropriate break-in period, that is - is always the best one. Because our brains are all wired differently (the obvious isn't the same to everybody), I think it is reasonable for "the best option" not to be the same for everybody. The tools we are using are probably part of "ergonomics", and it is well known that ergonomics is nearlly unique to each people.

I'm a firmware dev. I've got windows on all my machines. I literally get paid to wrestle with computers, I don't want to wrestle with my work PC so I can get work done, or with my home PC to do whatever the hell I want after work.

My least PC build I only needed to get 1 driver (Nvidia GPU), everything else pre installed using the correct and most up to date chipsets. The only time I can see something like this happening with Mainstream parts is if something like the spectre vulnerability happens.

It sounds like Luke might be suffering from what's called "Frozen shoulder". I developed it after I had a small fall at work, and landed on my shoulder. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but my job involved A LOT of repetitive motion, kind of like Luke's does now. The damage from the fall, and the fact my job never really let it get better, led to my arm basically being dead weight for two years. Going over the train tracks on the way home from work would leave me in tears because my shoulder would get rattled so badly. Apparently it's very difficult to treat, and despite the therapy, it took more than two years for it to even start to get better. 😞