Good grief. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a well spoken, introspective, and clearly intelligent 21 year old. Wise well beyond his years.

I love y'all. Gay grandma 63.

This young guy is smart, articulate and handsome. In my experience of being gay and Catholic is very different than his. The Church is not black and white! It’s a community of individuals on a journey. The fact that he joined up with an extreme group of Latin mass an ultra conservative small group of extreme catholics. They are a small minority in the Church. It is an insight into this young mans needs. Catholic are Christians. He could be part of Christianity if he wanted to. Th Christian Church is huge and welcoming to all walks of life Lastly, he is giving out dating and relationship advice? Really? He had been in a relationship for a year? I think i will pass on his advice. His understanding of Catholicism is blinded by his black and white understanding of faith. I wish him success in his endeavors.

I’m in the Arlington Diocese. The first time I was ever exposed to adult material on a computer was in a rectory. But I slowly learned that these priests are trying to unpack difficult things. We should not condemn them. Nor should we pretend they are perfect. It’s ok to be a Christian on the way, and having not already arrived perfect.

As a gay man growing up Catholic, going to Catholic school, being an altar boy, I can say honestly Cade is so well spoken and his overall assessment of his life in the Catholic Church is spot on. He expressed his true experience growing up gay in the Catholic Church without criticizing or vilifying his church. He did a lot better than I would’ve. I have no tolerance for organized religion or the Catholic Church in particular. I’ll refrain from my personal opinions of the Catholic Church, but I will say that a number of its faithful, who preach through their actions not their words, have gained my respect during my lifetime.

I did exactly the same thing as Cade . I joined the ultra-conservative Roman Catholic Order called The Legionaries of Christ. I’m so glad I left . I’m now openly Gay and Jewish .

Wow. What a torturous story in having to choose between God and having a samesex partner. I want to cry.

Wait I saw this guy randomly on my feed yesterday and I watched his video in awe! When I saw him pop up on my feed this morning I thought I was having dejavú. But when I saw it was under this podcast I rushed to click play His story parallels my story so much. And he is a great storyteller. The next guy you should bring in is Darius son of KZfaq famous BLove. He actually touches the science of being gay and has a very practical outlook.

Of course, it's a pleasure to encounter a super bright and articulate man who is happy and working to treasure and grow intentionally with his partner. Myself, i grew up in Protestant Christianity and was never as intellectually sharp and trained. For me, since i chose to be a Christian, it's always been about my love for Jesus and my need to connect with authentic Christian community. At some point, i experienced the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and in my 30s, i joined the RCIA group at a progressive and vibrant Jesuit Catholic church. We were 50 in the RCIA group in September and 48 of us made it through the two scrutinies to the Easter Vigil the following spring when i became a member of the Roman Catholic Church. I knew that homosexual people are "intrinsically disordered" according to official Church teaching but i was fully encouraged to join (in contrast to Cade's rejection to become a priest because he was same-sex attraction.). I was led to believe there would always be a place for me in the Catholic community. The reality is more nuanced that Cade's hardcore group. Cade in a big way had it lucky. He joined an ultra-Conservative part of the Church that today exists in great tension with Pope Francis over the Latin Mass, for example. He made his way to a very black and white group that then allowed him perhaps to quickly look honestly at the teachings of the Church. At any rate, i am a Christian and it looks like i will die a Christian. I'm more complicated than Cade. Lately, i'm realised that always i will remain on the periphery of the Catholic Church as a gay man, despite the fact that there are plenty of Catholic groups made up of actively gay men and women (e.g., Dignity and Fr Jim Martin's world). Recently, i begrudgingly have become a part of an Episcopal Eucharistic Communty that treasures fully the gifts of everyone, including women and queer people in the life of the community. It's a community that wants to get it right, that supports one another and holds each other accountable to the Gospel. The Body of Christ assembled reflects the Really Present Body of Christ in the Eucharist. Religion is a tricky thing but right now i'm finding a home with this community. I've NEVER had the idea that Chrirstianity exists just to keep me from murdering others. There are plenty of awesome people who devote their lives to others who are not Christian. For me it's a chance to live out life in community on our journey with Christ into the Kingdom. Cade is bright and healthy and i wish him peace and continued success in his endeavors. I guess i'm still needy and complicated. Cade is blessed with the ability to see through things clearly.; he has an excellent mind. Maybe, though, my inability to see things so black and white keeps me in relationship with Christian community. I sure appreciate this video and Cade's willingness to share his compelling story.

Great interview!!’. Thank you!!! The placement of the couch in front of the paintings is excellent! We can see you now! 👍

Wish I'd had his smarts and good heart when I was his age. I like him stressing that morality is based on shared fellow feeling. I'd like to add that's how religion got its morality, not the other way around.

Cade would have a blast visiting Europe. We have so much of the architectural beauty he described.

You guys have an awesome blog here. Please keep the enlightenment coming.

OMG YESSSSSSS I literally discovered both of your channels this past week and love both of you!! This is an amazing video and I haven't watched a single second of it yet.

Leaving my 5 🌟 review!! Great information about the Catholic side of being gay!! Will be hear every week! 😊

Great interview!

Great episode. I have so much respect for this guy and the confidence he has in himself and his story, especially at such a young age. It's wild to me. Best of luck to him.

Cade's story is truly awesome. Choosing life instead of a book story. I am not sure if Cade will see this, or even care. but your relationship will organically grow advice and coaching from others is good and helpful, but there is no black and white with any relationship. take advice but let it grow and evolve organically Be most happy with groth. this is from a 63 YO life long gay man. Be well your entire life.

Very well spoken man, someone will be lucky to have him

This was great.

I went to Catholic school for all 12 years as well as going to Catholic Church almost every week. When I was growing up we had many " flamboyant " priests and brothers and many masculine looking and acting nuns and yet nobody seemed to be able to put 2 and 2 together. And at the Catholic high school I went to they have been in the news in the last few years because of firing both the principle and a long time English teacher when it was discovered that they were gay . And yet I still get constant mail asking for me to donate money to the school . I could really go on a long rant but I won't . But the hypocrisy , yikes !

The Catholic Church has a lot of beauty. At the same time, the Catholic Church has changed over the last 30 years on gays and lesbians. When I came out in 1998 as a gay divorced man, there was little tolerance from the Church. Being celebate for your entire life is nonsense. However, there are Catholic priests over that period who have been understanding and have been supportive of gay men and lesbians having sexual relations. Yet, the Catholic Church still continues its policies opposing gays and lesbians.

like Cade i also at one point thought i wanted to be a priest, but it was only to run away from the "same sex attraction" thankfully it did not happen but i realized i suppressed so much of who i was. I would sometimes go and kneel and try to pray the gay away... i would often cry... ironically enough it was two priests who helped me come to my senses and get out of the catholic church. I am still single but no longer struggling and hating myself just for being gay. It's awsome that Cade found himself very early in life instead of going thru years of struggling as a closeted self hating catholic.

I don’t know if this means anything to you. But regardless of the church Cade is definitely walking in his God given purpose (with the podcast, running, etc.) and it is evident that he will continue to walk in it in his current and next pursuits.

So glad i've found your channel through this video. You got a new subscriber. :) I find Cade's story very relatable as a gay man who is catholic myself. I just want to comment regarding what Cade says at 23:34 regarding the chruch being infallible. There is a lot of misconception about the infallibility of the church. Actually the catholic church has never claimed to be infallible, but there is a teaching on the magisterium or what is otherwise called the infallibility of the pope (not the church). I'm not going to go into detail but it doesn't mean that the pope cannot err or do no wrong thing. In fact, the church has gotten a lot of teachings wrong numerous times in history! To name a few: the church changed its position on slavery (it was for it before!!!), the teaching on limbo, pope john paul ii, said sorry for excommunicating galileo after 350 years for saying that the sun is the center of the solar system (not the earth, which was the widely accepted belief back then, how it had religious connections, i leave to you to research. haha). I guess my point is, as a gay catholic, i still choose to be with the church not because it is perfect or that it's teachings are all correct. But because the community and support it provides is valuable to me. I hope all gays in the church find your peace and happines - inside the church or otherwise. More power to you Cade, and to this channel. Sources: The Catholic Church's biggest reversals: foreignpolicy.com/2008/11/01/the-list-the-catholic-churchs-biggest-reversals/ Galileo was right: www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html

He's so self assured and has All the answers and refutations, with some sarcasm too. Let's hear from him in twenty or more years.

This podcast is everythiiiing

What Cade described is the same situation with divorced and remarried Catholics who are without a Church annullment. Neither can they receive communion . So basically gays and divorced and remarried Catholics are welcomed at mass and loved by many priests and congregants. The sad thing is the hierarchy treats these people like second class citizens without saying it.

Nice… lucky chap… ❤ wishing you love and smooth sailing… 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🫶❤️🇸🇬

After coming out I transitioned from Evangelical to Episcopalian.

"Whenever there is an expansion, there is always a loss." A.H. Almaas

As an excatholic gay man who also went to seminary, thank you for your testimony. Ive found my peace by taking the beautiful, throwing out the ugly or unsatisfactory, and allowing myself to find peace without the Roman church

If you are a closeted LGBTQ+ Roman Catholic, and discerning the call to the priesthood, consider converting to certain denominations in Protestantism, for example the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), The Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, the United Church of Christ, and now the United Methodist Church that are all LGBTQ+ affirming. You can both freely live out your sexual orientation, AND your call to ordered service in the Church.

Don’t seek religion. Can you still Seek God and abandon religion? I think so. After all it’s about relationship with him. Internally. He is your Father/creator. He longs for you to seek him. He will accept you as you are. All the rules…none of us are perfect at & will never be. If you were once a person of faith, I would imagine that you would find yourself still turning to him without rejection. He loves you still I think the church has failed us. And that in itself may be the Bibles purpose. He can only be found within. The church should only be a place to point us to him. *AND I say that without believing His intent is to make you straight! Simply that you talk to Him brings him joy. I don’t want to change my daughter. I love her just the way she is. I do believe we are ever changing and hopefully refining our character. That is the way of life. But that is different, I don’t need her to be with a man to love her.

I tried a 51 year marriage to my wife and being a Baptist minister and missionary. It didn't work. I am gay, medically proven.

That is my story as well. Interesting. But I was kicked out after 2 years in the seminary.

This is very similar to the Conservative evangelical views on the subject. I spent 15 years in a church, worked 12 years in ministry work. And I stayed single, and I found that they don't treat single people as good as they treat married people, though they wouldn't say that out loud, that was the outcome. I did try marrying a girl, but thankfully that fell through, because I was in denial I fear that that marriage would have been miserably. Like the hosts, I'm amazed that he's 22 and already figured all this out

Hmm... I was an intensely religious Evangelical incel for 20 years. When repression and gender dysphoria got to be so bad that I realized my whole life was falling apart, I seriously considered converting to Orthodoxy or Catholicism (found a local, very conservative, Byzantine Catholic church), to totally lean into enforced celibacy and self-shaming. I even tried dating a girl who was converting to Catholicism (which was a huge deal for me). But... when we tried to make out, it felt so wrong, somehow that experience finally broke through to me that I must not be straight, and might not even be a real "man" at all. Anyway, now I'm 3 years into medical gender transition, and have radically deconstructed my faith, thank God! 😇🏳‍⚧⚧

Cade reminds me so much of Timothée Chalamet. He doesn't really look like him, but has such a similar aura. I wonder whether anyone else has noticed this... or is it just me 😊

I joined a seminary in 1971/72 to cover up my sexuality as Cade said …by the end of the second year I was an emotional wreck so I decided to leave ..I confided in one of the mentors who was neutral in his advice and didn’t help …it wasn’t till I left I realised I had left the biggest closet in the world and that the mentor I spoke to was gay and was sexually active …I consider myself an atheist now

So many times I’ve gotten on here to comment in the middle of your video and have had to delete my questions because I have not got to the end. Once again, I’ve not listened to the whole thing, but I was raised Catholic and, by the way, I am not gay. I am a straight mom With a gay daughter, but in my childhood, there was a wonderful priest in our parish and one day he was just gone vanished. I heard that he confessed that he wanted to date women. Which was breaking his vow of celibacy. So if you change your mind or if life changes, things change, you are let go. Basically the contract becomes void. Kind of like changing jobs. It could just be time to move on. Hopefully they are still friendly, loving and accepting toward you. They present the vow of celibacy as a law and if broken there are consequences. I think you can seek God and abandon religion. He is your Father after all.

I thought it was Troye Sivan in the thumbnail

He is an excellent speaker. He puts it plainly. He decided he wouldn’t be single. So he gave up on Gods word as truth so he can have a possibility and companionship that could or could no work out. That remains a fact regardless if you believe the practice of homosex is wrong or right.

Seems like many have tried that route.😂😂😂😂😳😳

Let’s not forget that he suppressed himself… you could be a priest and be gay. I don’t think ppl realise that.

18:19, well Leviticus 18:22, is largely mistranslated.

I chased Jesus and the moment I sought after building my relationship with Christ instead of chasing religion, only then did my same sex attraction diminish. Now I’m happily married to a woman.

This was so interesting same sex person as well from nyc The church is not bad they just have a black and white way of looking at things period.

I missed the liturgy of the hours so I ended up needing to make a simple one of my own. I did so by finding passage from books, poems, quotes I liked and organizing them. Don't try to do it all at once. Start with a morning, evening and night "prayer" then focus on building out the week. Don't rush it don't try to do it all at once. Leaving that type of structure can be hard.

The Catholic Church is definitely misunderstood in many ways....in what appears to be this major rules that are so black and white or will get you kicked out, are actually healthy boundaries leading to a deeper inner freedom and helping one detach from disordered desires. It teaches true love for every human & values every human, just not necessarily tolerating every action which can hurt humans in the long run. There's a difference between freedom & relief.

33:48 - actually, we Catholics do believe this too! You can be gay and still strive to live as a Christian. I respect the interviewee here for his authenticity and honesty. I also would like for you to interview other people who might be able to provide a contrasting perspective both in Catholicism and Christianity: Kim Zember and Pieter Valk are their names!

I didn't always have a positive relationship with religion, yet I still maintain a bit of faith, but yeah I'm going through exactly what buddy went through, if I choose to live in my truth I'd be choosing my sexuality over religion. In my community, there's no in-between.

the fact that i’m Kade (with a K) and i just went through the same thing

Me, too.

I can’t see the dislikes. Can someone tell me what they are please.

A lot is being said about relationships here. I am Jewish thus take it with a grain of salt. I thought the Catholic Church frown upon relationships of any kind for its priests and leaders. Not just SSA (same sex attraction) but any kind. As to the followers, I don't think the Church cares which orientation you follow. They will not perform a gay wedding but if you are gay and leaving with another man, they still will receive you in their messes and church activities. Here in Chicago, there one priest that I know very well. I am sure everyone that has talked with him thinks he is gay. He has one of those personality that no closet can hold it. At the best of my knowledge, he is fine among other priests and the followers really enjoy his messes. BTW I have had two or more priests telling me that I look good in their eyes and we both knew what he was talking about.

Yes. In the catholic faith. Its known as excommunication. And its in every faith. But grace and mercy and forgiveness is given once you confess and then jump through hoops I would call it. But after all that, your hiding again. And to me, if your comfortable with what your doing then excommunication means nothing. So to speak. My opinion

if you are accepting homosexuality and don’t realize the spiritual warfare side of it you are the same thing the bible talks against

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Homosexuality does not constitute a risk factor for the sexual abuse of children.

To bad you weren't in my SoCal parish: "ALL ARE WELCOME." We have an official LGBTQ+ ministry that receives $10k for outreach, education, etc. Our Monsignor can now bless same-sex marriages. Your experience seems so foreign to my Catholic experience.

I tried being a pastor as a woman and the devil said no ie life events . I am low income my car is about to fail ie parents car no more cars from them and I can’t add a car bought. I might get my parents car it’s paid off but it’s old no guarantee it survives a few yrs. I am moving into town and my church requires a car bus won’t go there

I have been bi since i was 10 years old. I grew up in the church and i will never deny my faith even as the church has turned against me. I grow in the grace and mercy of the Lord every day. But, instead of being single to stay in line with church teachings, how about clarifying that the New Testament view on same sex relationships only forbids catamite (effeminate, passive, submissive, bottom) and sodomite (dominant, top) behavior. There are many loving same sex relationships in the Bible, just not sexual. David and Jonathan loved each other passionately with love more than that of a woman. John reclined in Jesus chest. And many others. Modern church (19th century) changed these specific words to the generic homosexual. This is not biblically accurate. You can be in a loving, affectionate same sex relationship and not engage in anal sex. The sex part is what determines gay/sodomite/catamite or not. Well, that’s my view anyway.

Churches pay well. By 40 sex is boring anyway

So, who is gay in this podcast???

Cade the catholic church and the priesthood are evil you are perfect as who you are as what god made you a handsome young gay man and as a fellow gay guy i am happy you accept your truth and i wish you the best

52:05

I was raised in a Catholic home, and experienced gender confusion from an early age. This led to a homosexual identity. In 2008, as a gay-identified man, in a committed, monogamous same-sex relationship, active in an affirming church, I ended up in ICU where the medical team classified me clinically dead after a 22-minute flatline. I experienced death, judgement and hell. When I couldn’t take any more demonic torment, I cried out in repentance, “Jesus!” and I heard the Savior say, “I am here.” At that moment, I saw with my eyes the Wind of the Holy Spirit fill my ICU and with great power, He pick up Satan and the demonic and blew them out of the room. On that day, my life changed, the redemptive Blood of Jesus cleared my mind, and completely healed and restored every failing organ. Glory to God!

You need to Born Again 🙏 John 3:3 King James Version Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

33:00 - it’s not as bad as it seems if you can at least see that we Catholics (and Orthodox) have a different theology than Protestants. If we truly believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus, like truly, and we were to receive him after having committed a mortal sin and not repented from it, we would be eating and drinking judgment upon ourselves (1 Cor 11:29). So the stakes are high here! It does feel bad to not be able to receive communion, but it’s better not to offend God and ourselves honestly by doing that.

I want to challenge your guest in asking him if he ever sought advice, guidance, direction from anyone other than himself. While he is extremely articulate, seemingly well read, and certainly drawn to the intellectual life, the same could be said of some of the worst people in all of human history. Not that this young men is one of those, but he still has much life to live in order to determine where and by what spirit he will be led. It is patently disingenuous, however, to,say one is barred from all, Church involvement because of mortal sin. One can still go to Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, Communal and or individual rosaries and other prayer groups. Yes, one must go to Confession if they have committed mortal sin before receiving communion, but that is generally available anytime you want to go, either at set times in your Parish or by appointment with a priest. He strikes me as a young man who is very full of himself, arrogant and seriously lacking in humility. Not surprised he would replace some as beautiful, inspiring and mystical as Catholicism with some as barbaric and self absorbed ad David Goggensism. Makes perfect sense.

I'm a conservative Christian and I believe like the overwhelming majority of people that the bible clearly condemns homosexuality. I don't have a problem with you guys having a podcast about coming out and talking about your experiences. However, you seem to only talk to people who agree with your stances. While it is your right, I'm not sure it makes for very enriching conversations. I think you should reach out to people on the other side of the fence also. Else what good is there to only converse with people who already agree about everything?

I meet a nun that was a Roman catholic priest a few years ago

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