After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.

I'm using an i7 8700k since 2018. Still able to game comfortable with an rtx 2070 super and 32gb ram

I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360

These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!

I have an i7 8700k paired with a GTX 1060 6GB. I'm happy with the performance of the combination.

Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time. Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.

Ive been watching u from 2018 and your content is literally the same. Never change man

yea man you're one of the most original tech youtubers i will gladly give you a like.

Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.

Was looking for this comparison, thanks Steve.

Running the I5 12400F, and it's been so good to me. A testament to how well the 8700 has been for other gamers😊

I didn't actually expect the i7-8700 to be that close in performance 😅 Still rocking one, but I never compared it to newer CPU's.

My work PC has a i7 8700 in it (no dedicated graphics card though) so its nice to see how it stacks up in games etc to newer CPUs. Great video!

since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps

the i7 still rocking today even after all this time

I'm on the i7 8086K paired with a gtx 1080, going strong since 2018 and hoping to continue using it (maybe with a 3070 in the future)

I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...

Starfield is such an abomination of optimization. 2080ti can't even hit 60fps at 1080p thats actually a pathetic joke lol.

I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.

"Starfield doesn't like -those older architecture- GPUs."

The 8700 was still sold in stores up until March-April around here for 400€.. The 12400F is 155€... Used 8700s range from ~90€ to 150€.

I still have that CPU still good but I'm selling my build after 4 years 😢

Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side. Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.

Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat

Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.

Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).

I think it would be interesting to compare power draw when comparing older hardware with newer hardware

I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080). An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).

My I7 8700 is still chugging along. Its paired with my RTX 3060Ti with some CPU heavy racing sims its still great at 4K

12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.

Got to love ipc improvements.

Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070

I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,

It's interesting to look at the power draw of the 2 chips too I think! The i5 used less wattage in every test by the looks! Very impressive.

This is a great review of the i7. I found a perfect condition, hp envy model "795-0050" in the dumpster at my apartment. It works great, and looks great. Why would anyone throw it away. Gpu is a 1060 rtx. 1 nvme HD and a 1tb older HD.

I built an PC for an extended family member using used parts for christmas and a used dell optiplex with an i7 8700 and an 2x8GB setup. Just slapped in an RX 580 in it and that rig with an NVNe 3.0 SSD (DRAMless but had HMB with a 2k w/r speed). Got a used AMD FreeSync monitor that was 75hz as-well. Total setup costed just slightly under 400 dollars, which is half of the price I had to pay for mine back in 2018 and is only decently faster. You can get some good deals on these lower-end i7 models.

I'm feeling if it was better GPU the gain with 12400F would be even bigger.

I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.

The i7 8700(K) buyers made a very good choice back then, those CPUs are still capable today. RIP anyone who bought an i5 7600K in 2017.

Good video. If you upgrade a 12400 to a 13500.. You will be surprised at the performance increase you get. Unlike the 12th gen, the 13500 is in a whole different class of cpu than the 13400. The 13500 is an awesome cpu.

add background for benchmark scores... becomes easier to spot them

I also have the 12400 with the RX 6600 and it's a really nice combo. Great comparison as always

Since 2018 my 8700k delied and OClocked to 5Ghz runs like 5 years under 60°C all the time , and its paired with the beautiful 1080Ti FTW3 from EVGA. The 4x8GB TrindentZ Royals Silver with a Boost XMP of 3600 runs smothley too on my Z370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon. 5 Years never let me down and in this Years i experienced maybe 4-5 Crash in Gaming. Almost 4 Years and 5000 Hours Spend in PUBG and a lot of other Games! Now it's in Pension , my Childs Born and now we use it as a TV Stream PC ❤❤❤ Never let the Boy Down!

so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows

Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.

I want to highlight the power usage of the i5 12400F. Using 20W less but creating 20FPS more in Cyberpunk is crazy. In germany this safes real money.

still rocking the 8700 paired with a 2070 super

Still using this and thank god it supports Windows 11. Specs: i7-8700K, 32GB DDR4 2666MHz RTX 2070 Super

The 8700 held up incredbly well.

And now the i5-13500 adds 8 e-cores on top of the 6 cores/12 threads. Crazy considering Intel did not budge from a 4-core 4-thread i5 for SEVEN generations.

not sure how much effect the poor cooling of the I7 had to do with the performance, but i think it is definitely something to keep an eye on when doing benchmarks...

I was quite surprised to find recently that an Intel N95 (low end celeron-esque quad core in my mini-pc that I use for drawing) performs better than the i5-4440 (middle of the road quad core) that I had back in 2014 - 2018! And by quite a lot.

Gonna be honest. I went from a i7-6700k to a i7-12700k and the performance in games that are CPU intensive was almost mind bogglingly amazing! I easily doubled my FPS in games like Dragon's Dogma 2, and got at least a 30% increase or more in all titles because I am running an RTX 3070- I didn't even notice just how much i was bottlenecking my GPU!

Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads. Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?

A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice. Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.

Please try to do one video of the i5 12490F The Special Black Edition from China!

I'm running a i7-8700 (non K) with a Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard which I got both used locally in the fall last year for $50 US dollars total. Then during the time finding a GPU was like finding a needle in a haystack I picked up locally a used EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB for $50 US dollars. Turned around bought 32GB kit of DDR4 for like $75 US dollars. All ready had the rest of the stuff like case, psu, ssd's from my old system I was using at the time. Before I bought the i7-8700 and Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard in the fall of last year. For the last decade been using the AMD FX8320 which was showing it's age and limiting the games I could play. The i7-8700 with the GTX 1080 SC 8GB let's me play my games I want to play just fine while getting decent FPS.

I think there are still a significant number of people that dont understand that the generation of CPU is more important than the tier, I7, I5, I3

I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho

Very impessive of that 8700, expected a little worse. 8700K at 5ghz/4.7ring with high end ddr4 (4000mhz+) and 35ns memory latency should be on par in gaming and will actually give a snappier pc than 5600x/12400. So it's overall in a way better than these, I certainly wouldn't upgrade to recent locked 6 cores from that.

using a 3300x paired with a 2060, so far still holding up pretty good, but i am looking to buy a 5800x3d maybe next year

I did not expect it to hold up this well, won't lie there

Love these types of comparisons for illustrating what kind of difference an upgrade may/may not make in games, the only thing that'd make this clearer would be a more powerful GPU for games like Starfield

I am watching this with my ever living desktop i7-8700 paired with GTX 1050 3GB, holds my games perfectly in 1080p medium and normal.

The i5-14500 going to put these to bed with all the threads 😂 nice video I think games are getting back to being cpu intensive more than lately it’s like back in the day you could get any card as long as the cpu would hold up

Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.

Thanks, it seems Alder Lake is substantial upgrade over Coffee Lake architecture. We can also project the performance based on the i7-8700K running at a 5 GHz overclock. The linear increase in clock speed from 4300 MHz to 5000 MHz should theoretically result in a 16.27% boost in FPS. For instance, in the case of Cyberpunk 2077, running the 8700K at 5 GHz would yield an average FPS of 82, with 52 FPS at the 1st percentile and 43 FPS at the 0.1st percentile. However, it's worth noting that this is still lagging behind the stock-speed i5-12400F. It is also interesting to note, that in Starfield, the New Atlantis is not CPU bottlenecked by either CPU, but entirely GPU bottlenecked. So New Atlantis is not a CPU intensive location, but overly complex for any GPU to render.

Im still on my 8700k with a 3080 really good combo tho

Hi, will i7 8700 be enough for light video editing with premiere pro ? With a 16 gig 2666 mhz ram? Please answer

Excelent vídeo, thank you very much.

How are u able to run rivatuner with cs2. I have tried it multiple times it stopped working for csgo and never worked with cs2 for me i want to cap my fps using rivatunner

The 12400F is surprisingly power efficient for the huge increase in 1% and .1% figures it provides in gaming compared to the i7 8700.

Man I was so proud of the 8770k I had when I got it lol. It was a golden sample, delided with liquid metal and a Copper IHS that could run benchmarks strong at 5.4ghz.

I am still running a 8700 right now! Paired with 32GB of RAM and a 6600XT.

Would you consider doing a comparison between an 11400 to a 12400? I'm kind of considering it but I'm not sure it's all that much of a difference

This is a great demonstration of the crazy high driver overhead that RTX 2000 suffers from. 8700 can still game fine, but faster CPUs scale up RTX 2000 performance very consistently. Would be cool to see this CPU pairing head to head with other GPUs to see if these very flat and high gains are present in other GPU generations.

it would be interesting to see if you could use the intel tuning tool to change the boost timings or use the mobo to adjust BCLK and see what difference that makes

Amazing procesor. I am using an i7 8700k delided oc to 5.1ghz for all cores daily + 4000mhz ddr4 memory + gtx 1080 (i will upgrade soon to 3080 or 6800xt)

Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.

I JUST WANNA PUT A COMMENT TO SAY THAT A E3 1270V3 IS STILL LIKE A CHAMP AND FULFILL MY NEED, AND A I5 8400 IS MORE THEN ENOUGH FOR ME. The i5 integrated graphics is able to handle Minecraft with medium setting shaders enabled at playable frame rates. This proof how powerful it is for just a intergrated graphics. The performance surpassed all NVIDA GT6xx and GT7xx too

I have 8700k, delidded & 5.2 Ghz (AVX -1) OC, now it's 1080/1440p gaming beast, especially with my 3060 12 (with minor overclocking and undervolted to 900mv)

I was forced to upgrade from i7-8700 to i7-12700. And the reason behind it was the mobo died and LGA1151 mobo is hard to find. The i7-8700 is pretty much a solid CPU even in 2024!

Hey dude. My Pc is bound to only have 230w psu, msi trident 3. People do wicked upgrades on it and upgraded their 1660 to a 4060 since both are the same tdp. Ive done that. But im stuck with an i5 8400. Do you think ill see big boosts if i upgrade to i7 8700/9700 worth it? Can do it for about $150 CAD Thanks

I'd love to see a video of a head to head comparison with the i7 8700 vs a xeon 1650v3 or even a ryzen 1600x. Would make some fun and interesting content imo.

I got a alienware aurora r7 with the i7 8700 and a gtx 1080ti for 350 when my laptop died on me and nits the best purchase I've ever made price for performance wise!!! The only downside is I am extremely limited in what I can upgrade or reuse. The biggest con is the alienware wiring the x16 pcie with only x8 lanes smh this doesn't make a huge difference with the current 1080ti but it limits any benefits I might see if upgrading to say a 3080,3090 or 4080 gpu. That being said though it's the perfect budget set up and ive seen others similar while looking around. I almost had a area 51 r5 and 3060 12gb vram version but kinda glad I didn't go for that as the i7 5600 in that was decent but not as good as the 8700 despite the 5600 being unlocked but what was nice about that 5600cpu is it was haswell and x99 based meaning I likely could potentially had switched it out with a xeon with tons of cores amd performance but those also cost quite a bit.

Hello everyone and welcome to another video 😇

This video was helpful to show that if you are stuck using a i3-9100f a i7 8700 is really good specially for the price comparing to i7-9700 and i9-9900k. Also i don't have a good motherboard for a i9 so i ll be stuck with it for now.

I have the i5 12th Gen and the key is to enter in the BIOS and disable the Virtual Machines configs and a few more pre-configs

2:22 exactly! lower end gpu OR if you play at 1440p with a card like the 2080 ti people watch reviewers test cpus with a 4090 at 1080p and rush to replace their perfectly capable CPUs for 1% more fps!

Did not expect that big of a difference ngl

I think this shows that if people open their minds when it comes to past gens, the barrier to entry, for a solid 1080p 60fps Experience on pc drops to the floor and anyone can join.

Could you maybe take a look at how the 9900k is doing nowadays? Feels like everyone forgot that chip existed even though it was the best gaming choice back in the day

As someone who plays starfield using an i7-6700k with 32gigs (2x16gb sticks dual channel) of ddr4 ram (3000mghz) and a 3070 i can confirm that the 20-series nvidia cards are 'holding you back' in regards to FPS,, i get a consistent 45-55 FPS at 4k with my now 'out-dated but once upon a time beast rig' though the cpu cooler fans do ramp up very often (which is to be expected :)

And what if 8700k delided and clocked 5.3ghz with 4400cl17 ram?

Your voice is so similar to zwormz. I suspect are you his brother or something

A few years ago I went from an 8th Gen to 10400k and it was insanely better all the way around. The 8th Gen are plenty good for average user or business computers, but 10th gen and up are so much better as far as gaming and multi threaded performance. Ryzen is even better at multithreaded supposedly, but that's not totally necessary for gaming, and Intel has forever been the champ in single core utilization( ie gaming).

Would the 8700K add a little bit more fps? Great video - very interesting really.

Some countries sell used office/work pc for like 200 usd with a i5 8500 or i7 8700, with ram and everything. That is a really good deal, you just need to install a gpu.

If I may quote something a friend said recently, "Today's i7 is tomorrow's i5 and the day after tomorrow's i3." To which I quipped that Intel was dropping the whole i-odd number product naming for tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, because what are friends for except to be wiseasses to each other? :p

same on the csgo/cs2 part. on my gtx 1060 i7 6700 I always had stutters when I started the game. On CS2 the game has lower frames but is smoother overall.