i love that half of the frustration in this game is just from minigolf and not the fact that its 4d

Thanks for streaming Icely! It gets even more cursed toward the end, and there may be a certain chess related meme you'll enjoy... 😉

it’s 4d golf, duh did you expect it to be simple

So I think I understand- we can only percieve 3 dimensions, and in 'regular' view we perceive 3 axis: up-down, left-right, forward-back. But in volume view we still only see on 3 axis, but we sacrifice being able to see up-down so that we can see ana-kata. So in volume view, up and down are a bit confusing, and in regular view, ana and kata are confusing

Regular golf: Searching for your ball. 4D golf: Searching for the hole.

Icely doesn't isn't failing at 4d minigolf. He's just failing at minigolf.

"unstable slices" girl. bro. dude. my guy. bouncing is a thing.

Y'know it switches slices when it hits a wall because it deflects in three dimensions when it does that.

you must understand that nothing is "ceasing to exist" you are in an environment everything is there

I think your main issue comes from assuming that slopes will push you only in the dimensions you can see even if you can't see it, there's always a hidden dimension that slopes will push you in, which is why it seems like the slice you're in suddenly changes in reality, it's just the slope pushing you away it's like if you have a hole that's up a hill and to the right. If you aim straight at it, your ball will end up veering to the right. The same thing is happening in that fourth, hidden dimension as well, so you need to angle off-slice so that you get pushed into the right slice the compass tools on the top right might be helpful for that. Whichever axis is facing you is the hidden axis that you could be pushed along on

never thought I'd see somebody turn the first stage of a Menger sponge into a golf course

don't worry icely, it gets more cursed in later levels like a whole new realm of cursed that you'd never believe

"I like how the hole leaves its slice" is like saying "that parked car came out of nowhere!"

Icely talking about "slices" as though they're not just directions probably doesn't help

“It makes me face the ball but doesnt teleport me to it” Thats what it does outside of volume mode too.

This game shows 4D insanely well. Another one is 4D miner, which had a lot of consideration put into it as well. Tilting the view to get into "Volume mode" is an amazing ability and changes the perception completely, that's awesome!

Here is what's going on: Picture a game of normal golf on a flat, straight course. The ball can move forward, backward, left, and right, it is essentially 2D. Now imagine the same course but with a hill: You can see the slope, width of the course, and distance to the hole, so you know to hit the ball in a certain direction at a certain power to hit the ball into the hole. Now imagine the same course, but you can only view it from the top or side or front at a time. From the top, you would see the ball slow down and roll backwards for no reason. From the side, you would get up the slope but you wouldn't even know where the hole is. From the front (looking from the ball toward the hole) you would be able to line the ball up with the hole but you couldn't judge the distance or slope very well. Now compare this to 4D golf: Each perspective (normal, volume, and whatever other perspectives) can be any one of these three basic views (top, front, or side) at any given time depending on the course and postion of the ball. You might get the distance and width of the course from one, slope and distance from another, and slope and width from a third. With 4D golf, there are way more views, but at least this gives a pretty good comparison.

4D Minigolf with 3 Dimensional Volume Mode Display

That feeling when you’re subscribed to codeparade and videos titled “4d golf is live!” and “why is 4d golf is so cursed” are basically back to back on your subscriptions page….

Icely casually proving that he's a 5D being who can see 4D slices and appreciate them (because 4D Golf is totally a puzzle game that needs to be appreciated) and definitely not complain about their nature

This game seems like a future AGDQ highlight. The right runner could absolutely make it feel like stage magic.

Remember that the volume view is just the flat horizontal slice that your ball is in, so slopes are basically walls in that view

man am i glad i changed the putting option to metered after this ...and glad i read every crystal

Given the crazy nonsense people made with the Golf It level editor, I'm scared of what maps people will come up with in this game

"It was nicer when we had the Wii Sports bar" you can turn that bar on in the Settings

I love the idea of this game, and so glad to see it played finally! And I also find it funny that half of icely's struggles were just with mini golf lol - not that I'd be better. So frustrating for me that he kept rushing past figuring out _why_ the ball ended up in the wrong "slice" and I just wanted to yell "you bounced off the *wall* ", or "the slope is *angled* to the side into one of the other dimensions", or "I don't know what the heck is going on but *I bet there's a reason for it* !" or something.

Love how this guy is completely unfazed by the 4d mechanics and just breezes past them, but still struggles because his real problem is that he's just godawful at golf

You can and want to enable the alternative swing mode, which has a power bar that you can reference.

36:19 Just like it would in regular miniature golf, considering that this kind of slope gets rid of your upward momentum, while your sideways momentum would still persist.

i like how the game shows 4D space with 3D slices on 2D monitor but my 1D brain can't handle it

Vortex: a mass of whirling fluid or air, especially a whirlpool or whirlwind. Volume: the amount of space occupied by a three-dimensional object as measured in cubic units. Which of these seems more relevant to the mode you bring up by pressing V in this game?

1. Just aim the shot in volume view, and adjust the speed of your shot based on the angle of the slope vertically so you don't fall off the course. 2. Keep in mind that when the ball moves vertically, it also enters a new 3D slice, so don't aim strait at the hole in normal view when going up a slope, rather, take it to volume view. 3. The "thickness" of a wall, shows you how tilted that wall is across the 4th dimension. A thin wall is normal, an extremely thick wall will bounce the ball back at you, an in-between thickness wall will send you into another slice.

I like how the cubed level literally is a cube wireframe. The only thing changed about it is that the middle pparts of the wireframe are rased up. So you just need like 3 hits, one for each non-gravity direction.

Once upon a time I wrote an n-dimensional non-euclidean raytracer. I learned some interesting things in the process - like, in the general case you don't rotate around an axis, you rotate in a plane. E.g., in the X-Y plane, or some plane skew to the primary ones. So in 4d, you can have an object rotating in two directions at once, unlike in 3d. I don't know how gyroscopes would behave in 4d. Similarly, where we have 3 rotation DoF in 3d, I think there'd be 6 in 4d, though you might be able to get away with fewer controls and more steps.

"where's the hole?' - icely puzzles

Cant wait for 5d golf with multiverse time travel

it goes from "here's how to swing a club" to *move through the 4th dimension* really quick

Here's the real brain bender: If you were a fourth dimensional being, you would see all views of all perspectives at the same time. The 4D aspect of the game is only through interaction, not perception. The ball and environment move and change in ways that are "unexpected" because the ball is being affected by all 4D while we only see 3D slices of what is happening to it.

Icely forgot to cut out a failed intro attempt out of this video xd

its fun watching icely slowly lose his patience the more he plays

You, my friend, have up until now shown me 2-3 different games i was actually interested in, and also got me into a game i was already eyeing up. Defo a earned sub, you deserve a subcount in the 100k's at least, imo. Good going and hope you get the recognition you seek, whatever level and type it is. Cheers.

Now go for all hole in 1s. I believe in you!

I found it pretty straightforward but I’m just bad at miniature golf

You are playing quite well.

Golf has 4D Baba has Headache Chess battle is advanced

the mechanic of how this works reminds me a lot of 4d miner

One thing I suggest for the dev, is maybe try to split ghost view to be in red/blue channels. For "ana" and "kata" . respectfully things are in either direction redder/bluer.

Ah yes, I love playing golf that is completely incomprehnsible to mortal minds

Why does "Ana" and "Kata" remind me so much of warioware

Now I can watch people play golf and feel less bad about how I play, thank you icely golfing advanced

Nice! Been looking forward to this. Now if only I knew what's up with Miegakure.

Someone should make 5D golf where you jump between timelines to find where the hole is

When you're in line of sight with the hole, I think that the best move would be to go into volume mode, so there should be no way to shoot so hard that the ball falls out of the 3d hole

I always loved minigolfs, virtuals as real ones. This is the step beyond! Cool to see such a long gameplay/walkthrough of this!

This is a really cool concept.

icely i am looking for a very *advanced* *battle* game with *chess* do you have recommendations

This is a certified fire in the hole moment ⛳

Speedruns of this are gonna be insane.

I think I'm getting it. You can only see three axis at a time. In regular view, you can see x y z, but in volume view you trade the y axis for the w axis. It really is important to actually visualize it as viewing slices of the axis you cant see.

I hate it when i hit my ball so hard i launch it into the 4th dimension

Not to brag, but I have birdie or better in every hole of the first 3 worlds, including challenge. Took some practice. The settings for metered strokes and for a help line in volume view really help.

Icely: "I can do this, I can conquer 4D!" normal golf slope: "it will take you one hundred years of training before you can defeat me"

You struggling with 4d slopes is entertaining.

yo another fabled double upload

Okay, that is the LAST thing I expected from you.

this is so hilarious to watch i love it

Got and played it today I understand 4D well enough, but the thing is I still suck at golf... at least I found the option to use metered swings

The best speedruns will be the ones where they manage to get out of bounds to take shortcuts.

this game just released and you've already made a video on this?

I wonder what the volume equivalent of shooting the ball of the map is

I wonder if making it VR compatible would make it easier to understand

Don't worry, one of the forest challenge levels (or back 9) gave me a 30 over par. I hated Ice hole 6,I think that also took me way too many hits.

Can't wait for somebody speedrunning it

Now we just need 5D golf with multiverse time travel

Thank you Code Parade, very cool.

Cant wait for 5d golf

I like the vertigo view.

1:38 Did you know that if you combine Kat and Ana you get Anakat?

Bro recreated the glass desert from slime rancher

Oh this is horrifying. 10/10.

What, already?? You’re fast.

hey ur getting better

i liked the part where we got a bonus intro

Icely! What is it with your newfound interest in games with balls undergoing unpredictable movement?

ayo what was that you said at the end

the game looks so complicated at first but then its just minigolf with extra controls and exploration, and the fact that icey keeps missing easy minigolf stuff its fact of that (or he just sucks ass lol) what did he say at the end??? 😭😭

Golf Fighting Enhanced

Golf battle advanced

Golfin' is Trippin'! The game!

Golfing to breach hyperspace whooooo

Haven't watched the whole video yet so sorry if you worked this out already, but volume view is the most powerful tool imo. If you aim at the hole in volume view you'll be aiming at it in the 3d slice view. edit: I commented way too soon cos I can see you're already working it out xD

I hope this game blows up

I see someone else had their eye on this game too!

real recognizes real

40:16 Or you could have adjusted your orientation alongside the w-axis before continuing to try the same thing.

gameplay complaints

When are we getting multiplayer?

golf funny effect

It is very interesting that computers can just casually compute 4 dimentions

no way its released!