True but I also think a lot of the woman that try to play like Parvati play way too hard from the start. Parvati on Cook Islands was more like Michele and Michele won the whole game. Parvati didn't really turn into "PARVATI" until after the Ozzy vote. She did get a tad drunk on her power but at that point she was in complete control of everything in that game so there was nothing that anyone could do about it.

​@Volume .To make what I'm saying clearer I'm going to say Michele was more like Parvati on Cook Islands and the first half of Micronesia until the Ozzy vote out then she had a crazy amount of control.

no not rlly but stay mad mad female 😘

@@gheetuio8640 have you. ever heard of a joke my guy

It was different though back in season 20. She wasn't very well liked, and they all wanted to expose her as a bad winner and what they did was wake up a beast that took them all out. In season 40 she was seen as a legend and since she was also a mom, she was seen differently than she usually is. Also, the game had changed in season 20 Parvati was seen as one of the most ruthless players that have played the game. While in season 40 you could argue Parvati is one of the most loyal. Michele would be casted as a Hero in a new Heros vs Villains season, but you could argue that Michele is more ruthless in certain ways.

I mean, she did pioneer the most successful women's alliance that pretty much became the template / the thing to be wary of when people see 3 women talking by themselves. The 3 tribe split pretty much screwed all the old players over tho, due to sheer numbers.

@@gmsimon Vanuatu was run by a women’s alliance. She was ONE MEMBER of a women’s alliance. I really don’t like how Parvati is treated like she was the one member of the BWB with any agency and no women’s alliance had found success prior. I don’t wanna talk crap about her but she keeps getting credit at the expense of other women and it really bothers me :{

@@thefoxoflaurels3437 but that women alliance didnt succeed I-

@@so_in_the_bottom_joshua How do you define a successful alliance, then?

I do think that is what happened to Sugar. They had all seen how she played and wanted nothing to do with it and voted her out right away. However, I'd argue you need Sugar from a strategic standpoint if you are up against Parvati.

Sadly I wish that's how the season panned out, as a Rob fan I would have loved to see him win, but even if he didn't I would have preferred his alliance to go further compared to paranoid Russel, pervy Parv, and... Coach

@@zeaferjones1404 I remember reading that Dalton Ross spent time on the Hero's camp during the "media day" and he noted Sugar didn't fit in at all and he wasn't surprised she got voted off first. That was more a classic early in the season vote based on social dynamics than any strategic move.

I agree. Adam in particular got very lucky they didn't go to tribal again, especially since the double boot was the next episode. Unfortunately Rob instituting the buddy system backfired on him since he paused the game when he was (unknowingly) the consensus boot. All three guys played not-super-great that round in my opinion

@@IdoledOut Adam had said in his Reddit AMA that he wanted to work with Rob but Rob ironically imprisoned his own tribe when he was already the target of Sarah/Sophie/Ben, so he didn't have a choice. He also said it probably didn't make a difference as knowing how close the other three were, it's not likely Ben would have flipped on the Sarah/Sophie duo (also they had an idol and a vote steal.)

they literally lost their biggest meat shield

It’s a weird thing about Survivor that you not only gotta consider everyone strategic moves but also their emotional ones Edit: it’s why the term “social game” exists at all

@@IdoledOut I’ll be honest, I simply don’t think rob had a chance because of how swapscrewed he was. Imo while I think it is a flaw that he implemented the buddy system, I feel like that flaw is excusable due to how swapscrewed he really was

Ambuh never had a game.

LOL

Kelly w had a much bigger target then joe

Aubry 100%. I'd even throw her in for Gamechangers as well, as she was basically treated on the same level as a winner in that season from the start with Kaoh Rong ending just 2 weeks before GC started to be filmed.

Hey! Didn’t expect to see you here.

Thought the same. His record for individual immunities made him "the guy" to beat

His target wasn't nearly as big as the previous winners though.

The only difference with Colby was that his advantage was that he was likeable and charming. He was in good graces in Mogo Mogo for a little while. Meanwhile, Tina/Jenna M/Rob C/Hatch/Ethan were dead people walking from day 1. Jenna M would've been an early boot despite a quit, Tina/Rob C/Hatch didn't survive a single tribal, and Ethan was constantly fighting for his life on the bottom of any tribe he was in. I'd argue Ethan's All-Stars game is severely underrated because he almost managed to squeak by into the merge.

That's a fun idea! Off the top of my head, Dom, Christian, Devens, Shan, and Ricard would all be major targets right away

@@IdoledOut I think you missed Vitas & Aras from BvW. Just like with Amber & Rob but Aras was a previous winner. Tyson blaming Aras for everything was hilarious strategy but his reasoning for it was 100% valid. Two more for the Massive Targets if They Returned: Chrissy from HHH and Angelina from DvG and hide all your jackets.

Billy and War Dog... ;)

Nadiya. Because the players can't be sure that it isn't Natalie.

@@garycarter6773 yes

i blame CBS jeff had a much better idea for a season than game changers and he was going to do that idea instead

Ozzy makes sense because of his "Vote me out, I'll return" strategy in South Pacific. The only reason that completely bombed is because Cochran flipped.

@@jolteon345 i forgot Ozzy was there 😅

tbf, michaela is a pretty top tier "wtf" pick. i want her and tai on every season tbh.

Joe was always going to be a target as soon as the merge hit reguardless. Aubry, after finishing 2 deep runs only two years prior, was absolutely dead in the water. Even if the swap worked out better for her. Even if she did play her idol. Even if she started on Manu instead of Kama, I honestly don't think she stood a chance with this cast. Which is a shame, cause all her pregame press showed that she was genuinely acknowledging her mistakes from her first two games and wanted to better herself. I can imagine it's hard to say no when Survivor asks you to play again, but in hindsight, it probably would have been better to call a raincheck and wait a couple years for her notoriety to die down a bit, and for another all returnees season instead of captains (still waiting on Survivor Runner-Up's Roundhouse). But at least everyone who was with her on Edge only had nice things to say about her.

I agree, I thought they would be on this list.

For sure, Aubry was never making it out of the pre-merge alive and even if she played her idol, she probably goes to the edge right after.

Yep.

Was there a tribal council on day 16 in Sandra's first 2 seasons?

Be careful, she might vote you off

I so agree! They have such similar play patterns, and their performance records are also very alike

I would truly have loved to see him on winner at war. Maybe season 50 there's a chance, but honestly survivor is a bit too pc for hatch now

Why was he blackballed from returning?

​@@dancegregorydance6933 he did challenges nude and allegedly had rubbed against a female contestant during all-stars, and the dan situation was still very recent

​@@chargingbadger867 oh ew? But isn’t he gay?

@@dancegregorydance6933 yeah, i don't know if it was intentional or not

This is why I made the top two a covert top five

I would have liked to see the strategic chess match between Parvati and Fairplay.

I love Jonny FairPlay probst just hates him

WAW was different because most of the players respected Parvati and her being a mom sort of changed how she was seen. Heros vs Villains was a witch hunt the Heros were trying to take her out before the merge and Boston Rob procrastinated one vote which cost him the game, but Boston Rob wanted her out too. From what we've seen from her in Micronesia she didn't seem trustworthy at all but in Heros vs Villains she stayed loyal to the villains which helped her reputation as a player you'd want to team up with.

Haha LOL I noticed it and than he was the next one

And THIS is why you watch a video all the way through before even looking at the comments. :)

Absolutely agree, Aubry was never making it out of that pre-merge alive and Joe goes immediately after losing immunity. Probst wanted a returning player to win and Kama was not having it lol

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Both Shane and Jericho were dead winners walking.

Russel dragged her to final three

She plays the Hoe Game.

Wassup me

Jenna morasca was probably the less of a target winner if that makes any sense hatch & rob cesternino were probably the biggest targets going into all stars

People didn't understand that back then but sort of do now. I think that is why people weren't as scared of interacting with Parvati in WAW. The thing is Russell and Parvati brag a lot and they obnoxious winners but they are loyal in most cases. Parvati only backstabbed Ozzy and Russell only backstabbed Danielle (which Parvati was pissed about).

Agreed

Plus he is great at challenges so while you hate the guy, you kind of want him around until around the merge and then you send him packing. Now if you let him stick around after the merge, then good luck.

From what I saw it was Kim and the way Kim had to grovel just so someone would talk to her sort of showed that. Although I do think Sarah was up there with Kim as a threat. I think that is why Parvati's threat level wasn't as big in WAW as it was in Heros vs Villains. Compared to Kim and Sarah, Parvati is extremely loyal and trustworthy. I think Parvati is a better strategist than them, but I do think Parvati doesn't like blindsiding her own alliance while Kim and Sarah don't care. The Ozzy move is actually a rare move for Parvati she doesn't back stab people as much as her reputation says.

I saw someone else do a video about that and Michele Fitzgerald is the most successful Parvati 2.0. The thing people forget about Parvati is she played sort of under the radar until she voted out Ozzy. I think people are just trying to find any flirty hot sort of obnoxious girl as next Parvati, but Parvati didn't really become obnoxious until she had full control. She's more like Michele than people think.

People downright lie about Parvati’s Micronesia game, tbh. It was considered a pretty low-tier win with a lot of stuff going her way to make it happen. HvV is what cemented her legacy. And she lost. It’s weird. She has more of a legacy after a season she lost (and probably had a not-great chance to win by endgame) but the her more quiet, measured game is treated like it was something it wasn’t.

Another person commented this and Idoled Out responded the ones off the top of his head.

devon too

This would be a great idea, but the only way it works would be for everyone to sign two-season contracts. Otherwise, there's no way they could get eighteen people to all agree to do another season together, even if it's years in the future.

I think the 2nd season would have a reversed boot order. If the seasons were filmed back to back then only the players who made the merge know who the winner was for season 1. Blindsides and arguments would carry over to season 2 as well. It's an interesting concept and I think it would be a good idea if the winner of season 1 would be revealed after season 2 finishes.

I think they meant the second swap in Game Changers was when she was screwed.

Idk which one he meant lol but in HvV.. her alliance didn't trust, or even like her, and then when she tried to warn the heroes and help them, no one would listen to her but Rupert lmao and then the Candice flip left her no options anyway but yeah other than the idol she wasn't really in a great position imo Edit: I'm in the wrong season lmao nvm

No one was gunning for him until everyone in his tribe was on the same pre-game alliance. Honestly he was used as a pawn to get Parv out then discarded afterwards. I do wonder how the game would have gone if Yul didn't create the Poker Alliance.

@@cjtrules1 The thing was Yul was one of the first that saw Parvati for the threat that she was, but I do think he underestimated Michele.

@@zeaferjones1404 Everyone knew Parvati was a threat. Lol. Yul got tricked into voting with Michele and her alliance for 1 vote so her alliance could get the numbers. Things might have been very different if Yul allied with the other Old School players.

He was definitely the biggest target in winners at war

It wasn't dumb for any of those that voted him out though. He had just tried to vote Adam out. Ben was closer to Sarah, and Sarah is the only reason he made it so far, it would have been super dumb to vote her out (and it was between her and Rob that vote). Sophie voting out Sarah over Rob would be even dumber for her. And of course when it comes to Ben and Adam, Rob is NEVER close to men on his seasons, and always picks women over men. Think of picking Jenna and Alicia over Lex (not even mentioning Amber since she is obvious), picking Natalie over Grant on Redemption Island, picking Vecepia over Sean on Marquesas. Rob is never close to any guys on any of his seasons, you can't name a single one he was close with or loyal too, Phillip does not count as he was a huge goat. So it would be super dumb for them to keep Rob ever. If you meant the entire group I would agree, but for those 5 and only a vote between Sarah and Rob, keeping Sarah was the easy choice.

@@58twright No Sandra was. The only two time winner in the game.

Ben would have made FTC thanks to Sarah if he didn't basically quit at Final 5. The idea he imparticular should have ever kept Rob over Sarah is just laughable. With Rob he goes nowhere near as far.

Right! I loved Libby.

I'm not sure who Libby is but I'm not sure if that is the right example. I would have said Hali or Jenn from Worlds Apart. Both women thought they were Parvati-like but they weren't nearly as strategic.

@@zeaferjones1404 Libby is one of the best examples purely because of her looks. Just because you don't know who she is doesn't mean she's not Parvati-like.

Thought so too but Hatch makes sense.

Greg would vote for Richard regardless, the question is, if Sue never initiated the Rats and Snakes speech.