This is the series that got me out of the church with no questions or doubts.
@melindamclendon15039 ай бұрын
We accepted so much weird stuff growing up in the church. Why wouldn’t they just tell us THIS weird thing too? I felt so lied to when I found out.
@patricianoel77829 ай бұрын
YES! Betrayed, humiliated, and disappointed. How could I have been so foolish? 😮
@4sonsmom2909 ай бұрын
I think a lot of the people teaching us were drinking from the same KoolAid pitcher. They probably had not even given a second thought with a Critical mind/eye in their lesson preparations. Just followed the manuals. 🤔🤔🤔
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
@@patricianoel7782You weren’t foolish. Naive, perhaps, but if you were young you were presented with this world view by people you knew and trusted and loved. As many people around the world are indoctrinated into controlling groups of all sizes and types. Blaming yourself and demeaning yourself as ‘a fool’ is part of that training. First, respect and love you, know that you are equal to every other person. Forgive yourself for past mistakes.♥️✌️
@markkrispin69449 ай бұрын
@@justkiddin84Well spoken. Bravo 👏
@OuttaMyMind9119 ай бұрын
@@donaldlee6699 Probably something like, Ramirez.
@TrailingCloudsofGlory9 ай бұрын
Love these LDS Discussions! It's like being in Sunday School Class but hearing the truth for a change. 🤗💝
@denisefelton52079 ай бұрын
WORD
@ZippyMcBeans9 ай бұрын
preach it
@jamestrek25709 ай бұрын
Like Sunday school But hearing the truth for the first time*** lol. It’s actually more interesting than Sunday school and we’re all super interested. The Truth is stranger than fiction for sure.
@robertderkach6509 ай бұрын
Exactly
@artifacthunter14728 ай бұрын
It’s all lies too bad you can’t figure it out!
@edamameedamame12029 ай бұрын
Y’all helping non-Mormons like me. Critical thinking is HUMANITY-UNIQUE and I celebrate you all.. thank you for the discourse.
@user-gk1ci8uw8f9 ай бұрын
I am 69yrs old and left the church in my 20s. Im grateful my father was not a member because it gave me another world view besides Mormonism. There is something so weird about referring to people as mormon or nonmormon when active in the church, such black and white thinking. Like nobody else matters. Even at a young age i felt uncomfortable when members would testify " this is the true church and the only church". It took me years to undo the harm the teachings did to me and as a female i will never forget the interviews with my bishop that were so inappropriate. Thank you for this podcast because i dont know any recovering mormons besides my siblings.
@braedengates31239 ай бұрын
I appreciate your comment and it makes me hopeful that my kids have the same perspective that you do one day.
@ohjonash9 ай бұрын
Never Mormon here - these videos are SO important to me to understand more contextual history and even theological concepts within the church that I would never know. These sessions are so fascinating to me and I’m so thankful for this podcast and all the amazing, thoughtful, intelligent, eloquent, talented hosts that share their research and commentary.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
Right, me too, it’s really helpful when I encounter a practicing Mormon, to understand what they are referring to, and to make comments that might get them to see that other Christian’s do not believe Joe’s crap.
@playmeacountrysong9 ай бұрын
@@justkiddin84 check out the other episodes of Mormon stories podcast too. Lots of great critical thinking skills to help people disassemble all religious indoctrination, not just Mormonism. Especially bible based religions. Check out the episodes with Dan McClellan and David Bokovoy.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
@@playmeacountrysong I’m watching! Love this channel!
@sidstovell21779 ай бұрын
Utterly fascinating.
@knitandcatboodle9 ай бұрын
These LDS Discussions have been so helpful to me with making progress in therapy. I left about 8 years ago and just in the last few months have I really been digging into, for lack of a better word, the lore of the LDS church. So many of the challenges that I'm tackling in therapy directly tie to the toxic teachings of the LDS faith. These videos are extremely valued and I appreciate how Mike has been able to present things in a logical and gentle way. There is no shaming occurring and that is so healing. Thank you so so much for all you do.
@winniecross45799 ай бұрын
You are in the right place. I have been free and clear for a lot of years . . . this would have made everything so much easier. I'm glad they are here for those who need them now.
@johnmichaelson91739 ай бұрын
Just remember that you're much better educated than Smith ever was & you're honest. All you ever wanted was to be told the truth & now through John, Mike & Nemo you have good people telling you that truth & treating you with the respect that you deserved from the beginning. You're in a good place with this channel.
@jerrimenard30929 ай бұрын
What I always wondered is, how does the Church explain the discrepancy between The Articles of Faith stateing that we are not responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, but Native American and Black people are responsible for the sins of Ancestors from thousands of years ago? I am an ExMo and part Native American. The Church never cold tell me why my family is inferior and Western European White people are better.
@Songsofourown239 ай бұрын
Exactly racism always was the exception of generational curses.
@OuttaMyMind9119 ай бұрын
You’re looking at the basis of religion itself. Make believe answers to questions that people of the time didn’t have the capability of answering in reality. And it just so happens to be helpful if those made up answers make your “tribe” look good and justified in their actions.
@sadiebenson18889 ай бұрын
Spot on, Joseph Smith was a racist. I cannot figure out how anyone could be a Mormon, knowing the racism in the Book of Mormon. With the verses, in the book of mormon, about, being white and delightsome. And the other verses, that says that the dark skinned people were cursed. And Brigham Young actually would have the church cut off the heads of any dark skinned people when they had interracial marriages, it was supposed to be a blood atonement or something like that. How evil he and Joseph Smith were, it’s a straight up Cult.
@bendyrland72139 ай бұрын
Using religion to "other" groups different than you (especially racism) is an age old thing. It's pretty gross.
@Songsofourown239 ай бұрын
@@OuttaMyMind911 that is true but the racism is one of the few things that was included in All of Joseph Smiths versions of scriptures. All of them. It's disgusting!
@hanginwithnyxx76349 ай бұрын
For me, the biggest betrayal happened not because I had believed a load of bullsh*t, but because I had based so much of my world view, self-concept, and emotional wellbeing off of believing a load of bullsh*t. I was totally humiliated, and it wrecked my self-esteem for a few years. I had to relearn basic emotional regulation because I was never taught how to self-soothe independent from Mormonism. I learned the hard way never to hold an ideology or authority figure too sacred to question. It's an excellent life lesson, but boy did it suck to learn!
@jakepayne85229 ай бұрын
I relate to everything you said word for word it was really tough.
@jakepayne85229 ай бұрын
and still is.
@Lioness_of_Gaia8 ай бұрын
Well put. 💚
@hbendzulla82139 ай бұрын
Mike , Nemo and John, the history you discuss and dissect is like opening a Encyclopedia .. I love it, you Guy’s are just great.
@chitzkoi9 ай бұрын
LDS discussions are your absolute best content
@NateBennion139 ай бұрын
2nd that!
@Wren4029 ай бұрын
I appreciate all the connections you point out. It’s really a house of cards. Recently I heard someone summarize a meeting with LDS Missionaries who couldn’t answer her questions. Her conclusion was that Mormons believe in their feelings over facts and evidence.
@shannons57909 ай бұрын
Absolutely! Mormons don’t want you to confuse them with the facts.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
The coffee issue really is a small example of the bizarre mental gymnastics that it takes to reconcile all of this. Brewed is bad unless it’s herbal, yet coffee and tea are herbs, hot chocolate is fine with caffeine (and soda) but not coffee. There is no winning if you try to apply logic. And ‘what is a horse’ got me, too. No horses anywhere but Eurasia 6,000 years ago.
@JIKOKALOL6 ай бұрын
Those things are for group control.
@kohlstrong9 ай бұрын
I freaking love you people :) thank you so much for this series Mike, Nemo, and John
@haycarlay9 ай бұрын
The lds discussions series is some of my favorite content ever released by mormon stories. I hope mike continues to come on as a guest!
@tawnyachristensen73109 ай бұрын
This is my absolute favorite content! My favorite team! I will be sad to see it end. This series has been so helpful to me and others who I know that were turned off by other truth claim podcasts, but were able to listen with open minds to you. I'm very grateful.
@jessasmith23497 ай бұрын
This LDS Discussions playlist I feel like is one of the most important resources for anyone leaving or considering joining the church. It is nuanced, it is respectful, it is very well researched and informed. In fact, I have decided I won't talk with anyone in the church about the reasons I left until they have watched at least one episode from this series.
@NateBennion139 ай бұрын
This was probably my all-time FAVORITE MormStories/LDS Discussions Episode by far. Y'all nailed the monumental task of addressing some of the most impactful aspects of Mormonism in a very simple, direct, and intelligent way. Love all of you working together to make this content. You have helped me heal and grow so much in these past many years of my post-Mormon journey and given me the strength to step into my authenticity and personal strength. I wish that I could give you each a duffel bag stuffed with legally acquired stacks of currency for all of your time and efforts. Thank you 🙏💚
@BruderAdrian8 ай бұрын
There's many Mormons in central California where I live and this KZfaq channel has really helped me understand some of the struggles and diverse points of views of former mormon and lds people.
@sideshowratt7 ай бұрын
A heart surgeon not believing in the fundamental building blocks of biology is absolutely terrifying.
@dianawilson139 ай бұрын
Thank you for what you do!
@patricianoel77829 ай бұрын
Just a side note. I recently started reading/studying the New Revised Standard Version of the Old Testament, New Testament and a few Apocryphal books. I have to say this version is such a joy to read. I feel I’m reading good literature in my common language. I agree much is myth and story but I did learn so much about humanity and an amazing all power God.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
It is great to have corrected translations now, so we have more correct bibles! I still like the King James for certain sections because of the Shakespeare era poetics of it. ♥️✌️
@littlebee50489 ай бұрын
I’ve enjoyed this series with Mike. He gets to the heart of these topics and lays it all out in an easily understood way. He talks really fast and I like that too. I also like how John pumps the brakes every once in awhile and asks good clarifying questions. I also love Nemo’s commentary along the way. Thanks guys.
@deannapowell72379 ай бұрын
"CARTOONISH" may be my favorite word spoken today to describe Mormonism. I have absolutely LOVED this LDS Discussions series. I've watched every single one, and I can't wait to go back and rewatch the flood and tower of babbel episodes. I come from Evangelical Christianity and I have deconverted from that cartoon as well. It's hard to pick a favorite LDS Discussions episodes here, but if I have to, it probably is the flood one. It was the one that helped me in my deconversion journey.
@lhyde559 ай бұрын
This episode would make a very good book to publish. Just a simple handbook that former members can use in their discussions to point to each point raised in discussion.
@jacksonrowley81589 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work guys
@sydneybaxter1059 ай бұрын
I've left the church but have still felt trauma bonded and defensive of the church. This entire series has been so helpful in me making those necessary detachments. You were so kind and cautious and made it possible for me to engage while still questioning my beliefs. Thank you so much.
@samanthacross35239 ай бұрын
As a never mormon I have been following mormon stories for a while now and I have enjoyed this series, in fact I’m a bit upset that I have caught up. I was raised catholic and this has made me think about my own ingrained ideas. I love the banter between the three of you and I hope there will be many more episodes of this series
@flowergirl53368 ай бұрын
I'm Catholic too
@katphyre9 ай бұрын
All day I've had Praise to the Man stuck in my head. I sang it to my 29 year old daughter (who I did not raise in the church) and her response, in her usual witty sarcasm was, "Yeah, cuz that's not culty at all!" Just listening to JD talk about how when you're raised in it, it is very hard to see all the ways it just isn't right or true. It's harmful to children to indoctrinate them so thoroughly but the church really has that down to a science (possibly the only science they trust). Thanks all for the hard work on this series. I can't imagine the hours it took, but I'm sure you and your families deserve a vacation. 😊
@Wren4029 ай бұрын
My favorite thing Mike said is, “They’re just dudes!”
@missionledcontent9 ай бұрын
I had to 'rewind' to watch the Doritos incident again 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@iamjustsaying19 ай бұрын
This series has been amazing and I hope that Mike and Nemo would be willing to come back as new information becomes available.
@gypsysoul82239 ай бұрын
Trying find the series, how can I find it in sequence?
@williamwallaceg26279 ай бұрын
Funny how you struggle to see it until you step away and then it’s a tsunami of reality and you feel ridiculous for not being able to let yourself see it before!
@aliceaubalmasque36459 ай бұрын
Thanks to Mike, I really loved all the LDS Discussions ! What a kind and gentle man 🤗
@OneMore-bq9kb4 ай бұрын
The amount of time Mike has put into these discussions is evident! Thanks, Mike!
@SilentThundersnow9 ай бұрын
My favorite thing John said: 'What do words mean?' 😂🤣 Talking about how progressive Mormons go about excusing the lies.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
The thing about horses! Ping!
@jordanwoods4629 ай бұрын
Here’s another implication: if the church is true, eternity as an exalted woman would suck. As a heavenly mother, you’d just be pumping out billions of spirit babies, to NEVER see most of them again after their earth trial, since the majority of them aren’t making it back to the celestial kingdom. Worse yet, none of those lost children would even know your name. At least the inhabitants of outer darkness know about their “loving” Heavenly Father, who loves us so little that he won’t even tell us about our mother. This was the nail in the coffin for my wife on her faith journey. She realized that she would never want to be a heavenly mother, seeing how she’d be locked away and unheard of. On top of that, she’d have to share me with other wives if I ever got them, and she’s not too thrilled about that idea. Essentially, she says if Mormon heaven is real, that’s the last place she wants to be in the next life.
@hlnbee9 ай бұрын
I totally agree!
@pahlmark9 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 “Sharpened his chops”. I haven’t heard anyone say that in years. That was surprisingly funny, John. 👍😆🙏
@JP-JustSayin9 ай бұрын
The embedded young earth creationism is absolutely fatal. Joseph locked things down so air tight that mormonism can't breathe, and now its untenable as literal truth.
@helenr43007 ай бұрын
Just as the literalism / inerrant Bible and translation branches of the mainline church painted themselves into a corner. Such that YECs have to misexplain science, built giant arks etc and use so much money and time defending Genesis 1 - 11..... The only reason they are (mostly) not also flat earthers is that heliocentric globe earth was established before the mid 1800s literalism movement began, yep all fresh in Joe's time.
@elencosta46599 ай бұрын
Thank you all so much for these episodes. They helped me so much. ❤
@1000huzzahs9 ай бұрын
The stuff at 58:00 hits home for me, because as a Jewish person, The Book of Mormon absolutely sounds like fanfiction with Hebrew-sounding names and places, but without any actual Jewish cultural context. Didn't know that one of the mormon apologetics was the Deicide Charge, though! Doesn't surprise me though because Christians have been saying we killed him for... milennia.
@marialorentzen43849 ай бұрын
FANFICTION! Yes! What a beautiful analogy. 1,000 huzzahs to you!
@kennethd.94368 ай бұрын
After 40:00, thank you for pointing out Spencer W Kimball’s involvement in the Indian Placement program. The apologetic that dark skin didn’t mean Native Americans, Polynesian, or Tongan is top tier mental gymnastics. That man should not have a building named after him on BYU campus.
@wardified85668 ай бұрын
This is a summary of painful truths. Thank you for your work and compassion ❤
@adamholloway79639 ай бұрын
I just started watching this video and I was immediately reminded of a quote I heard many times in church that all truth can be circumscribed into one great whole. Here's one of many similar statements: "With God our Heavenly Father, all truth, wherever found or however apprehended, is circumscribed into one great whole. Ultimately, there are no contradictions, no quarrels, no inscrutable paradoxes, no mysteries." (Howard W. Hunter) Apologists can't have it both ways. If an apologetic argument being proposed to explain away a truth claim problem is the truth, then it must nicely fit in with all other apologetic arguments being used to explain away other truth claims. If they don't fit together nicely into the "truth", which is "one great whole" with "no contradictions, no quarrels, no inscrutable paradoxes, no mysteries", then those which don't fit nicely together into the "one great whole" of "truth" must be untrue.
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
Yep! 😂 Serious mental gymnastics with all logic thrown away are required.
@quintinyoung38989 ай бұрын
That Harry Potter metaphor was so spot on! Love everything about this channel
@Resili19 ай бұрын
Love this panel! ❤🎤👏🏾Mormons are painted in the corner.
@kikarttr9 ай бұрын
wonderful outstanding work!!! Thank you very much for such a great episode.
@winniecross45799 ай бұрын
This has been the best of a fantastic set of discussions. I appreciate both your scholarship and presentation,
@danaleedavis91447 ай бұрын
I, like so many others, have found this series to be so important in my faith journey. Is there going to be more in 2024? I really hope so.
@TheSaintelias9 ай бұрын
The section of “assuming the church is true” ,so stating doctrine as truth, is more damaging than pointing out what isn’t true. No joke.
@fatemeetsluck9 ай бұрын
>wake up >see that new LDS discussions episode uploaded Yep today will be a good day
@Jsppydays8 ай бұрын
Thank you so very much for these excellent factual intellectual proven well documented videos.
@TheSaintelias9 ай бұрын
“The church shall change its doctrine and policies, but not because of the public” thus saith the church survey.
@ryanbb4749 ай бұрын
Nemo! Great content
@CatskillsGrrl9 ай бұрын
Nemo is absolutely right. I come for the Mormon, but I stay for the banter.
@moniqueblommaert85999 ай бұрын
New here!! I'm so happy i found you!!
@natenelson91029 ай бұрын
The book of Mormon's primary reason is to authenticate the restored gospel and of Christ mission. It is problematic when we need to say it's not a real historic text, but to borrow a phrase it's "meta-true" - it undermines the authority of the church
@verityLeanne9 ай бұрын
I had no idea we had British Mormons! Thank you for all of your discussions I’ve learnt so much and I’m sorry for people stuck between a faith and truth! Lots of love from V in the UK xx
@johnmichaelson91739 ай бұрын
I'm also British & it was news to me when I first found out. I had this naive idea that you had to be in Utah surrounded by the Mormon faith & raised in the LDS to be a believer. Obviously not, my excuse is that I'm in Liverpool & maybe they're a bit thin on the ground up here as I've never seen hide nor hair of them. I do find the whole thing fascinating I found the BoM to be like some second rate fantasy book with so many laugh out loud moments that I kinda enjoyed it. It was also good reading your comment now I know I'm not the only Brit who enjoys this channel & this discussion series.
@verityLeanne9 ай бұрын
@@johnmichaelson9173 I was completely naive to it also! Have family in Liverpool but can also add didn’t seem to have any Mormons in the Northamptonshire area or now the Isle of Wight! I feel I’m watching fantasy/sci-fi aswell it’s extremely fascinating but also sad at some of the pain people endure through this religion. Good to know another Brit watching aswell :) V xx
@helenr43007 ай бұрын
Have you never had the missionaries around? Or seen the very American style white steeple churches? Look up BBC iplayer for Mormons are coming - for a view of missionary training and wider experiences.
@tquist619 ай бұрын
I was listening to this podcast (and it's fantastic) - but I just had to come on KZfaq to watch Nemo polish off his bag of Doritos! Thanks for the laughs guys!
@Lovecatholicfaith9 ай бұрын
This series are helping me to deprogramming my mind off of Mormon stuff.
@alanschannel14959 ай бұрын
I would appreciate if you mentioned the Mesoamerican Archaeological evidences scholarly here. For example how we dont see any form of Egyptian tied to the Mixe-Zoque language family. Or any heiroglyphs of pre-Christ Christianity, or simply stone boxes with metal plates. Keep up the great work tho!
@gxgx11909 ай бұрын
Great episode. The percentage is even smaller though unless we’re talking about different numbers. Given there are 17 million members (most of which are inactive) and there are 8 billion people in the world, 17million/8 billion = .002% What a loving god that is to bless such an insignificant amount of people with his true gospel. Could he really not come up with a better plan?
@lisahance9 ай бұрын
As a former Mormon, I left before knowing most of the stuff you guys have brought up. I hope that current Mormons who are having doubts will listen to what you have to say with the thought that it might possibly be true.
@patricianoel77829 ай бұрын
Read: “Sapiens” by Y.N.Harrari. New and wonderful book about the history of humankind. Enjoy! 🎉
@justkiddin849 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@sprucelane12719 ай бұрын
I was taught that only baptized Catholic go to “heaven”. Infants are baptized approximately at 6 weeks old.
@mateom.andrade36079 ай бұрын
I just LOVE how John butchered the definition of a fanfic. He's like the smart but not-too-hip exmo grandpa I never had 👏
@VerbenaComfrey9 ай бұрын
It was so cute.
@bonojennett9 ай бұрын
2:33:45 this example reminds me of the Office episode when Michael Scott's paper company is unsustainable and going broke, so he asks the accountant to "crunch the numbers again" in hopes that it will change the outcome.
@StephRivera9 ай бұрын
This is the essential question everyone must finally ask themselves...What if the church is NOT true?
@hlnbee9 ай бұрын
I have 2% Neanderthal DNA and am very proud of it!
@BeachKid74-ct2ob9 ай бұрын
This was awesome!!! Even the dogs concur!!!
@hahafalseflag50909 ай бұрын
Imagine if Mormon was just a community without religion and all they did was support each other.
@VanessaPetty9 ай бұрын
Mike is amazing! 😊❤
@tamicarper28869 ай бұрын
Nearly 5000 views but only 400 like i dont understand
@beamoscrilla7691Ай бұрын
Here is something I never understood as a kid growing up Mormon. “I’d like to bear my testimony, I know this church is true, I know Joseph smith was a true prophet…..” What about Brigham young?? We have Brigham young university, he was the 2nd prophet!!! Was he a true prophet?? Can’t say that with as much confidence can they? Because they don’t know anything about Brigham young, none of us do. @mormonstories, would love to see a lds discussion series featuring Brigham young.
@SilentThundersnow9 ай бұрын
How many lies does it take to prove a prophet isn't a prophet? 1, 2, 3. Thrrree. Ok 1. But it's funnier.
@williambrooks95489 ай бұрын
As a 4er mormon & BYU grad suggest 2 books that bought me great peace & understanding. They are COURSE IN MIRACLES & DISAPPEARANCE OF THE UNIVERSE. No church or church doctrine involved in learning how to truly forgive both your brother & Yourself. Wish I could share my spiritual journey of 44 yrs with you.
@evanhill98904 ай бұрын
It would be well worth my time to see a debate with both sides respectfully speaking for themselves. It is too easy to talk past each other and make less progress than is possible by having both sides in the same place at the same time to compare thoughts and evidence, with respect and honesty. I bet both sides would learn something and probably come away from the experiemce with mutual respect and increased compassion.
@alanschannel14959 ай бұрын
Nemo just summed me up. I recently traced my heritage to the speakers of Popoluca Oluteca. A Branch Language of the Mixe-Zoque language family. These are people of Olmec Zapotec and Totonac heritage. The Olmec are likely to have spoken Popoluca. I was indoctrinated in Mexico and we are taught that all these pyramids are “of the lamanites”. Shame!
@hlnbee9 ай бұрын
I have 2% Neanderthal DND and am proud of it!
@natenelson91029 ай бұрын
There would also have to be a quite eventful stellar phenomenon, only occurring over the Americas that made a day a night and a day as one day-
@cameronvansant21089 ай бұрын
Re: the slide about polygamy at around 50:00 Joseph Smith's evolution on polygamy reminds me of evolutions people go through when they want to do something but know it will be potentially disruptive to their social status and relationships. -"The Thing is bad, and I am very interested in it, just to learn how bad the Thing is." -"The Thing is complex/more nuanced than people think." AND/OR -Continuing to say the Thing is bad in public but private experimentation with the Thing. -"The Thing is good, and the people involved are okay, but *I* would never." -Publicly admitting to do the thing along with excuses (i.e. "I only do it because I *have* to.") Of course, the difference between Joseph Smith and most people is that most people don't claim to be speaking for god. Particularly, Joseph Smith reminds me so much of many polyamory bros (god love em). I know there's lots of motivations for him to found Mormonism (financial, existential re: his brother's death, bringing his family together, ego), but I wonder if he would have founded it if he felt comfortable living some kind of public polyamorous life. (But also... I know he was also a sexual predator, and that's not the same.)
@tombenjamin36854 ай бұрын
Wonderful episode, I’m Evangelical Christian and I’m a little confused, sorry! Are all three of these guys active LDS members? Because after this episode I don’t see how they could be!
@kingimatthews44813 ай бұрын
Can someone please explain to me, in BOM, Moroni ch 10 verse 9 ...The Word of Wisdom was practiced in days of the lamanites an the nephites, Joseph gave the revelation to them from OUR TIME , thats amazing, absolutely staggering.can you believe this Sh...Throw away them magic mushrooms.
@charleswashington63432 ай бұрын
44:15 If dark-skinned people are considered a curse, according to Mormon religion, then what is the purpose of missionaries trying to convert people in Brazil, Jamaica, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, etc.? And why would any African-American consider joining LDS?
@jeffcarlin58662 ай бұрын
Also...according to The Book of Mormon, when a Black person repents and becomes righteous, his or her skin will be lightened.... Has this EVER been documented? Has ANYONE ever changed his or her dark complexion with...repentance...?
@bonojennett9 ай бұрын
1:36:45 these kinds of apologetics that form out of desperation and necessity are just the most slimy apologetics.
@manderson48039 ай бұрын
Some drew close to old Joe with their lips, but their hearts were far from him. Everyone but Joe was wrong.
@smilingjacks839 ай бұрын
Hello all
@benjamingardea45119 ай бұрын
The apostles are absolutely products of their time, but also the most dogmatic people around. Collectively they lack the introspection and humility necessary to learn anything they weren’t taught in primary.
@theresemalmberg9559 ай бұрын
You could say the same about young earth creationism--if it is correct, it upends ALL of science, and possibly other things as well. This has tremendous implications for the nuclear power industry, because if what we've been conventionally taught about the age of the earth is wrong, and the earth is only a few thousand years old, then it also means that we've got it wrong about how long it takes for radioactive substances to decay into harmless substances. It's not just a matter of age. After all the Bible clearly states that the sun goes around the earth, and it strongly implies that that earth is flat. We'd have to rethink almost everything!
@Pay-It_Forward9 ай бұрын
Knowledge isn't interfering with Lucifer's free will. How would it interfere with yours then? Christianity itself is a diminishing blend of (Confucius 500 BC & Greek "Eusebeia" 320BC), with the scapegoating of Jesus as a mediator transition.
@LoverofSunflowernBees9 ай бұрын
I think you all don’t get when it comes to the Book of Mormon and what it’s about , This podcast is like the haters what have hated on the JW church..
@andreadiamond71159 ай бұрын
Great episode ❤️
@jimmycoulson45348 ай бұрын
I think if the Mormon Church took the approach that the Book of Mormon was a narrative evolving fiction that gives their theological view, it would make more sense. I feel like many famous theologians and authors write fiction that fleshes out theological viewpoints. But the claim that the Book of Mormon is truth invalidates it, and prevents genuine revision. And there is no bar for fiction to not be inspired. The Mormon Church literally painted themselves into a corner.
@VioletShinobi9 ай бұрын
Upside down dorito trick blew my mind!
@SimplyT719 ай бұрын
When did the 15 come to the knowledge that the church is a sham? Before becoming a general authority or at the beginning of their assignment? Or are some of them still oblivious to the scam?
@KookyQ765Ай бұрын
If polygamy is illegal by the law of the land, aren’t the participants breaking the law of chastity?? Certainly by the temple definition
@mikekneppjr9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, all these "if the church is true, then this must be..." When I ask my Mormon family, they say yes. Teenage brides, ok. Evolution bad, ok. Garden of Eden in Missouri, ok. Tower of babel, ok. 6,000yo earth, ok. They absolutely agree with all these propositions.
@shannons57909 ай бұрын
I truly wonder how many people do agree, or if it just goes against what they’ve been taught and thinking about it rationally is too frightening so they put it on a shelf for God to deal with or, “I just don’t understand from a heavenly perspective” attitude. I have to think that in any logical person’s mind these things just don’t gel.
@PARebecca9 ай бұрын
The truth sooner or later eventually does come out. So far no one has gotten it right because it has yet to be demonstrated that god is a probable possibility for anything...so everyone will get it wrong..unless they lie, which the Church has done and is still doing...
@LoverofSunflowernBees9 ай бұрын
This looks like a HATE against Mormons Podcast! And I’m not …