The words I’m speaking of that John remembers are when Arthur is with John at the bridge and he tells him “Listen to me. When the time comes, you gotta run and don’t look back..” and then before he sends Jack and Abigail away in this mission he reuses nearly the same monologue as he tells them “keep riding and don’t look back” obviously RDR1 was written before RDR2 but it’s an interesting detail to consider that maybe this was the only “reference” to Arthur RDR1 has.

Fun fact: Uncle only suffered a flesh wound, but he saw his opportunity to sit down and take a nap and he wasn't going to let it go to waste. The lumbago is what got him in the end.

Can we just admire how loyal Uncle has been to the marston family

Cannot believe just how well Arthur's story tied into John's. Truly a unique duo of games.

“The day john marston stopped shooting” that hit me really hard😞

I like that from a story perspective, these are Arthur's words. And from the release perspective, it's John's words.

After all these years seeing John die still feels like losing someone you knew.

Tragic how both John and Jack "looked back" and it cost them a lot. This scene looks good in the rain by the way

*Arthur:* Don’t look back. *John:* Don’t look back. *Jack:* You Edgar Ross?

Because of the events here, Jack, instead of living out the life that John and Abigail fought so hard to give him, became a gunslinger of his own and killed Agent Ross, thus making him an enemy of the state and government. The cycle continues. The last visible member of the Vander Linde Gang lives a life on the run, just as his family did

I forgot about that moment at 1:55 where John realizes he's probably about to die and calls his son back to give him a hug. That's nice.

I love the fact that even though he's a gentle soul and dislikes violence, Jack doesn't hesitate to grab a gun when the shooting starts.

John’s jokes about Jack’s hunting abilities is like some sort of sick humor left by Arthur John: -You just gotta learn to shoot straight or you’re get yourself eaten by an animal Few ears ago Arthur: -You might be the first bastard to ever have half his brain eaten by a wolf and end up more intelligent.

Even though it’s bittersweet, I respect Jack waited until his Abigail passed away to go after Ross because he knew that’s not what she wanted for him and didn’t want her to see him become a gunslinger.

"Ain't no trouble, Abigail... Ain't no trouble..." This line hits hard... He knows his family won't have any trouble now that all of the gang is dead.

2:26 "So it seems..." Uncles last words before he reveals he never had lumbago and sprints to take cover behind a wagon wheel.

"You coming with us, pa?" "I'll catch up." 💔

A rainy scenery fits The last enemy that shall be destroyed. John realised, like Arthur, Dutch, and Micah that he can’t outrun his past, so he gave up, but not before unleashing his rage upon Ross’ squad in anger and hatred for betraying him after the deal between the Marston’s and the Bureau.

6:20 The way Uncle revived for a second .. I think that Lumbago helped him out after all.

8:04 here's the part he's referring to.

Dude went out like a boss.... Guns blazing. What an honor that they had to bring all these men just to take him out, showed how badass he really was.

I like the part where Jack astral projected himself for a few seconds in the beginning

I honestly believe, because Abigail died only a few years after the event, she died from a broken heart.

Ironic that you can fail in a mission that you will die at end of......

I’m sure in that moment Abigail was having major flashbacks too considering Arthur also helped her up onto the horse before going to his death. Hence the waver in her voice as John does it.

“when im gone they’ll just fine another monster, they have to, because they have to justify their wages”

I am really liking the Uncle is Red Harlow theory, adds a lot to tge character. He had his wild times in his youth, settled all his scores and every day after that was gravy. So he slowed down, became lazy and happy and didn't care what anyone had to say about it as he had nothing to prove to anyone. Yet under it all he was still a good shot and a fighter, he stayed loyal to his family and went down fighting in the end.

I just get chills to see that scene again after so many years. I just played through rdr2 for the first time and then jumped into rdr1, haven’t finished yet, but watching this and remembering all what happens is just so sad and heartbreaking. What an AMAZING story rockstar has written for us

I find it heartbreaking that after John’s death, the old jack who had hated violence and killing was likely filled with so much hate against Ross. So much that he practices gunslinging and becomes a totally different person just to get revenge against him

Gotta love the fact that he went out on his terms to the point he didnt let the bullets knock him down. He wanted to print his image to the back of their eyes.

The ending is so much darker when raining..

The fact that John hugs Jack cus he knows he's gonna die is heartbreaking...

I actually liked Uncles death here he went out truly on his shield despite being the lazy joking lumbago man he was he fought till the end to protect johns family and redeemed himself same as Arthur and John

Something that you should know , if you use a carcano and snipe the second wave of soldiers uncle wont have a bulletwound and the same cutscene will play, i like to joke that uncle had a heart attack.

"The day John Marston stops shooting" i mean... Yeah he stops shooting alright

"Keep riding and don't look back" -Arthur Morgan and John Marston. Two very noble men

Imagine Alternative universe where Arthur, Uncle, John, Jack against the army 💀

John was such an amazing character. He did everything for his family and he didn't even flinch when his time came. He sacrificed himself so they could be free. Unfortunately, like a Quentin Tarantino movie, the cycle repeats itself.

Oh damn, I just realized Micah said Blessed are the Peacemakers and that was written on John's grave.

Johns death really reminds me of Michas, they both just stand up for like 10 seconds after getting shot tens of times & slowly collapse to the ground

This series with one and 2 honestly brings emotions out in me that no other game has come close to

If they ever make an RDR 3, a cool Easter egg would be a book titled “The Day John Marston Stopped Shooting “ by Jack Marston somewhere in the game

I never played this sequence under rain, it's insane

Arthur: Listen, when the time comes, you gotta run and don't look back. This is over. John: I will, I will.

I really hope that they make a remake of RDR1. I would love to see this scene (and all of the game) in the same quality of RDR2. Maybe they could even add some little references to Arthur into a remake (but not too many, to keep the idea that RDR2's epilogue gave us that the reason that Arthur isn't mentioned much is because it's painful for John - which is a nice way to explain the in-universe reason for the lack of reference in RDR1 to such an important character to John's story, but it would still be nice to have some little details for those players who have played RDR2).

Can we just stop to appreciate the beauty in theses sacrifices, and notice the ugly cycle that continues. Arthur Morgan fought and died to give the marstons a fighting chance. John and uncle fought to make the dream of being a homesteader come true. Uncle fought and died in the hopes the marstons could make it out. John took a final stand trying to give his wife and son a chance at that life the Pinkerton's destroyed, knowing he couldn't win the fight. Abigail fought so Jack wouldn't become a gunslinger. Arthur died so John didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, John still became a gun slinger. John died so Jack didn't have to be a gunslinger anymore, Jack still became a gunslinger. The sacrifices continues on, and the cycle continues. They all die for each other, until little Jack is the only one left in the Vanderlin gang. "You can't change your future and you can't outrun your past." Rest in peace, Arthur, Uncle, John, and Abigail. You all died heroes in my eyes. 💔😭💜 My question is, what happened to Sadie Adler and Charles? Did Sadie ever make it to south America? And did Charles ever leave with his people? 👀 Pls let us be Sadie in rdr3, or Jack looking for Sadie in South America. I'd even settler for a Mafia style 1920s Jack Marston play through. 😂. Give us more red dead games! 🇺🇸😂 Oh or let us be Hosea watching Arthur and John growing up 😇 there are so many storylines they can do!!! 😈🤣

"The day John Marston shopped shootin" Some nice foreshadowing by Jack, too.

"ain't this a beautiful spot?" - the strange man

John should never look back. Ross had found him, kidnap his family, force him to do his dirty work and double crossed him.

I like the sound of the rain slapping the roof. Relaxing. Most games don't bother with rain sound effects while indoors, some games will just delete the weather entirely once you go inside.

So Morgan was looking for justice and Marston was looking for peace

Both heroes in this story feel like they go out swinging, the only way a warrior can go out. It’s powerful to be in the driver’s seat for those narrative moments.

9:40 „The Day John Marston Stopped Shoting”

RIP John, Abigail, and Uncle they will be missed but Jack he isn't dead yet and he's going to avenge his family if it's the last godamn thing he's going to do before he dies ( I took a line from rdr2 when Arthur said to John he'll help him get to his family if it'll be last godamn thing he'll do) RIP Arthur as well.

0:01 we just gonna ignore jack as a ghost?

Never let anyone say a Marston died without a fight

The Marstons will never learn - they'll olways lokk back - but i get why, its truly a amazing story. The last true legends of the wild west - Arthur and John

0:36 reference to John eaten by wolves in RDR2

0:01 are we just gonna ignore jacks twin temporarily teleporting into our realm?

I’ve never noticed how similar his stance is to Micah’s when they both die.

it's crazy that Edgar Ross could light a match in that wind that was noticeably moving the trees

You know what something just hit me that never quite made sense, uncle, the one who got slandered all the way through the prequel lumbago or not the man who was so useless the whole time yet proved his undying loyalty until the end, was in fact the only member who was never buried, kinda sad considering Arthur john and uncle were the only ones who earned their redemption

not to mention the fact that this scene almost perfectly mirrors the very last time abigail ever saw arthur :(

It’s been so many years since I’ve played this game. I remember crying back then, and it still makes me tear up now. I hate rockstar, but god damn do they know how to make a compelling story

Welcome to heaven John

“I’m taking you all down with me!” John sure came close

"You're gonna keep going and don't look back". John does remember Arthur's advice

this is such a realistic portrayal of death, its out of nowhere, unfair, frustrating. john doesn't lay on the ground and say his last words as he dies he simply just dies. honestly one of the saddest deaths in gaming history

0:01 anybody else see Jack phantom walking?

I thought the game ended when John was murdered I was 16 when I played the game, so I cant really remember exactly how I felt What I do remember is hanging my head and not believing after all that story to get back to the family, that asshole Ross still killed him Lots of tragic stories I can think of, but the end of RDR1 holds a very special place in my heart

It still hurts a full decade later 😭

i also think it's cool how if arthur dies with high honor, his grave, adorned with flowers, says "blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness" because of his desire to change. john's grave says "blessed are the peacemakers" which reflects the way he has changed. i think maybe both graves were made to be a little similar? idk, just thought it was nice.

I agree with the sentiment that Abagail did indeed die of a broken heart. Think about it, John saved her in every way possible, he knew her history but he wanted her, through that she gained trust, & respect, & the truest love she'd ever known, & in the end he saved her again & gave her a chance for a life, this broke her soul & spirit. I've seen this 1st hand my Mother & Father, my mom passed 1st & yr and half later my father past, he was lost without her, they were married 47 yrs, mom had a massive heart attack, & dad died from liver cancer, it was all so sudden, as this was all unfolding around me & my brother Christopher, this is when he was still alive, he died a yr after dad that nearly ended me. My whole family within 3 yrs. I think when we love someone so much, and they pass a part us dies to, it hurts our heart & our soul to lose what once was everything & mattered so much. One thing I learned after my loss is don't remember how they died, but how they lived, in that way all your memories are good ones, and you honor their lives. We have to go on, we can't give up, they would never want that for us, after all they gave us life & brought into this world. My memories all started out in 1962, but didn't end in 2005 when my brother died, they go on until my time is up, if Heaven is real, & I hope it is I'll see my family again. So yes I agree that John's death just destroyed her, they had gone through too much together, she could not go on. I did a lot reading about Abagail's death, there's no mention of how she died whatsoever. What hurt was watching Jack standing at all the graves, that killed me he lost everyone, that hit me hard. Everything he'd ever known was gone, and now where does he go?, what does he do? We know the answer we saw it coming, Ross was a total bastard, he used John in every way possible, had John do all of his dirty work. Where he was mistaken, there would be a calling & a retribution, Jack saw to that.

Jack Marston, the last surviving member of the Van der Linde gang

Everyone in the gang: "Don't look back." Still everyone: *Proceed to look back.*

arthur and john dying in both games felt like losing a brother, or a good friend. after their deaths ingame i was legit crying irl and starting new games didnt help either it didnt have that charm that the first time had. still, rockstar really knows how to make bangin stories that make your eyes tear up like hell and i applaud them for that, even though they may not always make good/do good things for their games

And at 7:59 Arthur also tells John to also go look for a place to hide as well and also that he would catch up with John. This is when Arthur's horse is shot and he goes and comforts The horse and then after that he gives his hat to John

If they really do remake this game then I think they should add some dialogue of John talking about Arthur. It just seems odd that he never mentions the man that saved his family.

To add on top of it, it's raining it's nice that it has foreshadowing at least for this instance when I played it didn't rain.

I wasn’t ready to see this mission again

9:01 The thunder when he walked out was cool

"The day John Marston stopped shooting" This line....im boutta start tearing up

0:01 the ghost of jacks innocence leaving

Say what you want about Dutch but he was right. They have to find another "monster" to justify there wages. It's quite sad. But it was foreshadowing. From there I knew it immediately, John would die in the end.😔

Dan Houser needs to come back writing video games...

I've always thought John could've survived if he engaged dead eye with the 22-bullet Evans Repeater and shot everyone in the face, instead of using a Revolver

Very fitting the storm, makes it more cinematic

I love how I looked up Outlast whistleblower and this pops up

I find it emotionally difficult to play as John in rdr2 epilogue. It still shocks me to this date how John dies.

That “thank you son” always gets me

Just played RDR for the first time and finished it today. I knew the ending for years as does everyone. It’s an iconic ending. But Jack saying “The day John Marston stopped shooting” was jaw dropping when knowing what comes next. Just so sad that that book will be written sooner than expected

I couldn't watch it through. I can't live through this moment again. This scene is like a dagger to the heart. Only game to make my eyes 😢

I feel like John was my family it's crazy what Rockstar did there. They created a character that the player has a deep relatiosnhip with an then brutally kill him off....these sadists

Go and don't look back! I feel like those words played in John's head when taking the stand against that back stabber Ross

The line be a gawddamn man will always ring in my head

I like how they used the organ instrument, it feels like you can't fight no longer, your fate is here

1:32 reference to the life of John in RDR2

@10:00 Yeah, I do believe I heard Arthur say those very words a lot during the 2nd half of the game.

Arthur went out on a army chase John went out on a army chase

This game holds up so well today