If You Play a Creature You Face the Repercussions! | Against the Odds

If You Play a Creature You Face the Repercussions! | Against the Odds | Historic MTG Arena

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All our Historic opponents need to do to beat our Mono-Red Leyline Control deck is choose to not play any creatures...but if they choose to play creatures there will be huge, game-ending repercussions! What are the odds that someone figured out the secret to beating our deck? Let's find out on today's Against the Odds!
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4:30 Match 1
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@sveltemax3606 8 ай бұрын

Mad respect for that one opponent just absolutely refusing to read what Leyline of Combustion does, I dig someone saying "cards aren't real and they can't hurt me" as they swiftly lose to their own catastrophic misplays

@Sey318 8 ай бұрын

Even on paper, if your opponent goes infinite with a creature-making lifegain combo, they have to set a number, and because star of extinction deals 20 damage to each creature and they gain 1 life per creature, that still means that even if they choose, say a googleplex of life, you still deal 20 times more damage to them than the life they gained. (assumin repercussion is on the battlefield)

@jms4979 8 ай бұрын

Came here to say this. A rare instance of where "it's not technically infinite" matters. If it was truly infinite life, then opp lives.... but a trillion life plus a trillion squirrel repercussions = -19 trillion life.

@-homerow- 8 ай бұрын

Bigger infinites are mind boggling

@-homerow- 8 ай бұрын

Not Bogle-ling 😂

@RavenDravenek 8 ай бұрын

They have infinite health, but repercussions deals 20x infinite damage

@jms4979 8 ай бұрын

@@RavenDravenek but 20 times infinity is still infinity. I guess you could argue it would be exactsies lol. (there are different kinds of infinities, but both of these are normal old "countably infinite")

@miguelfreitas5343 8 ай бұрын

You know what I want from Arena? A button that says "Always Yes", "Always No" and "Set Target". Like moto has had for a billion years. That would be *such* a quality of life change for combo decks...

@demiurge2501 8 ай бұрын

Fr MTGA really does not like combo decks that have loops

@DimT670 8 ай бұрын

It's impossible to have that and every other quality of life feature of arena. This would just turn arena into modo and modo is, well, modo

@davidcrawford9407 8 ай бұрын

@@DimT670how would adding the quality of life options of being able to always yield to triggers be a negative?

@dustyfox6511 8 ай бұрын

Problem is that coding wise it wouldn't be possible with their current engine. MTGO actually has a similar coding problem where the game fails to detect the loop, so the clients and server all try to run the loop as fast as possible until they desynch or hit a rounding error.

@DimT670 8 ай бұрын

@@davidcrawford9407because it would negate the set of benefits we have now of triggers resolving automatically If you have to ask every time if you wanna do always yes or always no, the game would basically need to be played always in full control mode, otherwise when exactly would the game ask? I suppose you could have it an option in the full control mode or the options but I don't think they can even do that,as it would require a full rewriting of how triggers and spells resolve

@zackestin1368 8 ай бұрын

For anybody wondering, having creatures with repercussion out does NOT prevent you from winning with a board wipe, the triggers resolve one by one so you can always put enemy ones resolving first, if it kills them, the game ends with the ones to kill you still on the stack, which still results in a game win.

@lucasbreton4143 8 ай бұрын

Thanks, was searching for this

@justinth963 8 ай бұрын

Yeah i'm not gonna lie, I was expecting game one to end in a draw.

@evankraabel5415 8 ай бұрын

Just to be pedantic: No, you MUST put the enemy triggers first, due to the APNAP rule Edit: Haters will say this isn't true, but all my real ones know what's up.

@Amphidsf 8 ай бұрын

@@evankraabel5415 Doesn't apply here since in this case they are all your triggers even if they come from an opponents creature. If repercussions granted the ability of "When this takes damage deal that to it's controller" it would be apnap though.

@zackestin1368 8 ай бұрын

@@evankraabel5415 youre being pendantic with literal wrong info, APNAP applies to multiple triggered abilities going onto the stack at once from DIFFERENT sources, ie, both players having sheoldred, youre fully legally allowed to stack your own repercussion damage first if you want, and you can go test it yourself if you want.

@trentonsimpson2621 8 ай бұрын

What did we learn? No one knows what leyline of combustion does.

@MTGGoldfish 8 ай бұрын

Lol, that one opponent more or less killed themselves by casting spells into it.

@cedricappleby2006 8 ай бұрын

Finally a deck for Nykthos and The One Ring

@NazoPureChaos 8 ай бұрын

I know, right? And here I was worried those would be dead cards. Now if only we could find a place for Paradox engine...

@DiscardatRandom 8 ай бұрын

Make golos as the commander

@fjshdf 8 ай бұрын

ah, finally, a matchup I can do good against in my 100 card no creature control deck

@nedcurfman3486 8 ай бұрын

Don’t worry, Seth could add a Forbidden Orchard just for you

@Logan-lz5gu 8 ай бұрын

Do you play yorion as companion?

@fjshdf 8 ай бұрын

@@Logan-lz5gu nah, don't have the wildcards, plus it's not really got a lot of ETBs. It's Hypercancer, but I've shoved extra shit in over the years. Crack a pack, "oh that looks good, in it goes", lose to mill, "need a couple Gaea's blessing's", get mana screwed, "need some more lands", etc etc etc

@blueheartorangeheart3768 8 ай бұрын

@@nedcurfman3486forbidden orchard isn’t on arena. One or two dowsing dagger in the sideboard could do it though

@MaxMckayful 8 ай бұрын

Crim is the often troll you see coming. Seth is often the troll you don't see coming.

@theprogressivecynic2407 8 ай бұрын

This deck makes my wish that Forbidden Orchard was on MTGA, because that would be a hilarious card in this list (it taps for any color, but gives an opponent a 1/1 insect whenever it taps). Also, as a backup plan given existing cards, just add Chandra, Awakened Inferno--she is a board clear/spot removal that also can tick up to put those ping emblems on the opponent

@gabrote42 8 ай бұрын

Spirit, but yeah

@McDodgerMan 8 ай бұрын

The funny thing is, even if the opponent gives you creature tokens, you can still Bargain them away with Torch the Tower

@Jesin00 8 ай бұрын

Or you can just stack your Repercussion triggers so your opponent dies first.

@henryackerson7138 8 ай бұрын

I want somebody to get him by sacking all of their creatures in response while he has tokens and killing him with his own repercussions

@tankdempsey1818 8 ай бұрын

Maybe as a better back-up, Dowsing Dagger? Make plants so that you can always repercussion something.

@TheCardq 8 ай бұрын

Plus you can equip it to any tokens you get from getting your one ring exiled.

@pestermitekimmy 8 ай бұрын

When I saw the Zirda companion, I rooted real hard for opp being on belcher for maximum hilarity

@jacobarford2877 8 ай бұрын

I assumed they were on Kethis but I was wrong

@zackestin1368 8 ай бұрын

ive seen a bunch of control decks run Zirda recently to make opponents mull to thoughtseize in case theyre belcher too, was hoping it was that.

@blueredlover1060 8 ай бұрын

Rosie says whenever a token is created put a +1/+1 Counter on another target creature. Scurry Oak says whenever it gets a +1/+1 Counter create a Squirrel token. So, they were getting the Prosperous Innkeeper triggers, but they wouldn't resolve until after they chose something else to get a counter with Rosie.

@Metallicity 8 ай бұрын

This didn't have to be the case though. If the opponent manually stacked their triggers differently, they could've had the Innkeeper's life gain resolve first each time. Both Innkeeper and Rosie trigger from the Scurry Oak trigger resolving (which fulfills both the conditions of creating a token and of another creature entering the battlefield), and they are controlled by the same player, so that player can put those triggers on the stack in any order.

@alanbeatty4314 7 ай бұрын

@@Metallicity Yeah, but it was really weird that Seth was confused by it.

@fuzznutt5118 8 ай бұрын

I had a red/white repercussion deck with creatures back in the day. But all my creatures had protection from red.

@donnovanash2334 8 ай бұрын

The innkeeper triggers go on the stack but get cut off by scurry oak, so they don’t gain life yet, when they resolve the scurry oak triggers they will gain more life, and make the other triggers you were expecting

@jackmanning156 8 ай бұрын

Leyline Nikthos ramp looks so freaking fun lol. I kinda wanna try this in legacy with crop rotation and some wacky mana sink or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Darchias 8 ай бұрын

Welcome to Legacy Leylines, with the role of Serra's Sanctum being played by Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx

@Psyman2 8 ай бұрын

22:08 I'm making this my new ringtone

@qazzaqstan 4 ай бұрын

Repercussions has a special place in my heart by being part of the first combo deck I've ever seen. Mono-red burn with a side plan being Repercussions + Furnace of Rath + Goblin Grenade dealing 10 to target creature and 20 to its controller.

@IshoPlays 8 ай бұрын

OMG!!!!! Repercussions is my favorite card ever! I'm so excited to see it as the star in a deck! 🎉

@OddModlin 8 ай бұрын

I used to have a 60 card casual Repercussions deck for big chaos games in the times before Commander. So looking forward to this video :D

@blillow5076 8 ай бұрын

Repercussion might be my favorite card in enchanting tales.

@CascadeHope 8 ай бұрын

I love Repercussion! I found out about the card years back, and it's a key staple in my Gisela Commander deck now :D Such a funny deck tech! I love how much stall it does just to get the 3/4 combo pieces.

@zaton666 8 ай бұрын

This is one of the coolest decks I have seen recently

@mentallyfatiguedseagull1413 8 ай бұрын

Saffron: runs 16 lands Saffron: why am I not drawing any lands?

@DeathJr6677 3 ай бұрын

more like 24 with mdfcs

@NoyzBot 8 ай бұрын

in match 1, game 3, wouldn't that star of extinction have been a draw? it does 20 damage to your creature too, but I suppose you control the repercussions, so you would choose how the triggers stacked?

@TheWorldsStage 8 ай бұрын

I guess the controller of the Repercussions gets to control the triggers. There was an older combo with Repercussion + Blasphemous Act and it worked the same way

@pgDraxos 8 ай бұрын

@TheWorldsStage correct. It took me a bit to figure it out but the active player chooses the order the stack resolves

@emctwoo 8 ай бұрын

Awesome deck! Big red control decks are always fun, and this one had a great gimmick on top of that!

@jeremypiles1787 8 ай бұрын

Orchard gives your opponents a creature!

@funkydiscogod 8 ай бұрын

Not on Arena.

@BoshiYoshi 8 ай бұрын

I love the WoE Enchanting Tales. Enchantments are already my favorite card type and so many fun favorites were added to Arena with them. Speaking of, next month the No Banlist Historic (dev seems to be implying that at least Channel will be banned) returns and Blood Moon is on Arena this time. We all know what that means! (unless Wizards gets cowardly again)

@AbelFerralla 8 ай бұрын

There's this equipment from Ixalan which gives the opponent 2 plant creature tokens. Could be useful against non-creature opponents Edit: it's actually 2 tokens not 3

@OGTahoe3 8 ай бұрын

Are you talking about Dowsing Dagger? It makes 2 plants but can see how it could help

@AbelFerralla 8 ай бұрын

@@OGTahoe3 ahh yes, that's the one! In my head it made 3 0/1s instead of 2 0/2s, but it still works

@ImJustHereToWatch14 8 ай бұрын

Richard coming in with the alt account Dowsing Dagger rec

@enilson002 8 ай бұрын

I think this is the most mythic-heavy deck I've seen in a long time - but hilarious!

@Nitnelav1994 8 ай бұрын

"All these cards are really expensive" Me, looking at a mountain of Mythics, yea I bet they are

@canadianbakn 8 ай бұрын

I was a big nerd and calculated our chances of missing on that awakening draw 11. It's 35.846%, higher than I would have thought! This is assuming a 60 card deck and are only outs are the three remaining one rings.

@williamfoster7234 8 ай бұрын

I love this game and really that's the deck I have always been looking for, thanks

@Bggujh 8 ай бұрын

Leyline of combustion needs more attention. It's a bargain tool if you don't need it, but in jund matchups after they hit you with all the discard, just bargain it away for some other effect

@cupcakeapplesauce 8 ай бұрын

Sick video Seth, super unique big red control

@MrShinyObject 8 ай бұрын

Seth's shirt is the same color of the green screen and is somehow the same shape and size of the confirm button. It makes him look like he's wearing an Arena brand shirt.

@chapeldweller 8 ай бұрын

Nothing like seeing the same card in every deck in Historic. Definitely the signs of a well designed card.

@Bunnycraft-li4os 8 ай бұрын

If you used this with the rakdos charm and forbidden orchard, like your mono black burn, you can get the control players too.

@MTGGoldfish 8 ай бұрын

That sounds fun! I might have to try giving a build that.

@Jesin00 8 ай бұрын

@@MTGGoldfishForbidden Orchard is not on Arena, so maybe Dowsing Dagger? Btw, having your own creatures does not fizzle the combo because you can stack your triggers so the opponent dies first.

@petersteiman2443 8 ай бұрын

That was really sweet Seth. If you play Repercussion again, maybe you can try it again in a Dagger Burn deck.

@brackpin 8 ай бұрын

Our lords of jank once again delivering an amazing/ly funny fun looking mono red deck to drive the monstrous horde back to the wastes.😊

@IcebaneFilms 8 ай бұрын

14:30 you can manipulate the stack by turning off auto stacking in the options menu, however it slows things down majorly. It's only useful for a handful of combos I've showcased before which require it.

@ShadowOfNocturne 8 ай бұрын

16:40 you are SO lucky that auto order didn't screw you over lol. You had a token and didn't play a new one ring first, so there was the chance that the auto order triggers put the opponents first and then your's letting yours resolve first!! This is a warning to anyone wanting to play this haha

@jameshowell7178 8 ай бұрын

Magic rules puts active player triggers on the stack before non-active players

@MatthewKnecht 2 ай бұрын

used to run it in a casual deck I LOVED with the Betrayer's(?) land that gave your opponent a 1/1 Spirit token when you tapped it for mana if they refused to cast any more creatures.

@MatthewKnecht 2 ай бұрын

Forbidden Orchard, Champions, my bad. Apparently not legal in historic... yet

@MatthewKnecht 2 ай бұрын

Pyrohemia as well

@doomofthedestiny8065 7 ай бұрын

Repercussions has always been one of my favorites, and leylines is a deck I've been trying to get the pieces to slowly

@najoheuer 8 ай бұрын

Opponent scooped at you blowing yourself up with that Star of Extinction

@JoshyBoy219 8 ай бұрын

THIS IS.............HILARIOUS!

@malloot9224 8 ай бұрын

I haven't laughed like this in a while, so much fun against bowmasters

@njnjhjh8918 8 ай бұрын

Love it!

@baelsalmongaming 8 ай бұрын

I know a four card combo isn't impressive... But I saw Repercussion and instantly thought "But what if Stuffy Doll/Brash Taunter with Pariah's Shield...?"

@jaredwonnacott9732 3 ай бұрын

Maybe my favorite win of all time was when I was playing mono-red burn and I kept the one lander into Shock. My opponent was apparently on some janky burn combo, because they end up playing 2 Repercussions and a Fiery Emancipation while I sat around trying to draw a second land. I finally hit my land drop, but was basically out, except they played a Firesong and Sunspeaker. I hit it with a Lightning Strike, which made two Repercussion triggers, but, since Repercussion says the creature is dealing the damage, their own Fiery Emancipation made their Firesong and Sunspeaker hit them in the face for 9 each time. I laughed for like an hour.

@Martin-qb2mw 8 ай бұрын

I play Green in Historic. What have you done Seth? just kidding, I love the vid as always!

@dorklord7298 8 ай бұрын

Personally I play an Orvar self mil with a lot of blink effects so if I’m not mistaken in response to a cast I can blink repercussions preventing the damage and still being able to combo.

@anonymousvagrant 8 ай бұрын

28:00 Mulan's Schezwan Sauce 😂👍

@AtrociousNightmare 8 ай бұрын

That was amazing hahaha

@1Shayz1 8 ай бұрын

Leyline of Combustion has saved my ass in so many of my red decks. Same with Protector's shield in white. Makes your opponent have to think more at the very least

@lucasfigueroa6165 8 ай бұрын

Awesome deck.

@D_A_D_ 8 ай бұрын

Chandra, Awakened Inferno would be a great backup plan. Can't be countered so non-creature decks can't interrupt it. Deals damage to all creatures for your main gameplan, and is itself a backup plan.

@Arkanda003 8 ай бұрын

These oponents don't fear the Reaper cushions and it shows

@eigilbundgaard3364 8 ай бұрын

Great video😄😄😄

@ATADSP 8 ай бұрын

Some of these cards... would be really good in my Dong Zhou deck...

@l4unchp4dgaming38 8 ай бұрын

The end of Match 5 was nasty

@rhettk6263 8 ай бұрын

someone plays dowsing dagger against you* also 16 lands!?!?!?!?! thats greeeeedy

@firestar5810 8 ай бұрын

Actually it's 24 because be has 8 ndfcs in his deck.

@XaeroGames 8 ай бұрын

Nice brew!

@jameswhitcomb4773 7 ай бұрын

Why does Saffron get to play the coolest decks? This shit is so cool!

@taylormilleman7337 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if you could splash black for clackbridge troll or the 1 cmc rat saga to force creatures onto your opponents field

@KnicKnac 8 ай бұрын

Repercussion is my favorite hidden gem to play in EDH

@fmj9357 8 ай бұрын

Knew someone who had a legacy repercussions deck. Used creatures to give opponents creatures to board wipe to kill, was really cool. May want to consider forbidden orchard against none creature decks to get them some to star of extinction

@zackestin1368 8 ай бұрын

forbidden orchard is not on arena

@eegles 8 ай бұрын

Nice Reaper Cushions deck

@6tiple6ix6afia 4 ай бұрын

Starting a match with two different leylines in an opening hand is hilarious

@matthiascronqvist13 8 ай бұрын

Your first match in the last game you star of extinction when you had the token in play. Would you have not killed you both by doing that? I feel like that last game was a draw and you got lucky since they salty scooped lol

@michaelscalise966 8 ай бұрын

I was looking for this comment, that was my thought as well. Looked like he got a free win from an early scoop and didn’t notice the punt either!

@Razidable 8 ай бұрын

I thought the same at first but I believe that since the Repercussion damage is a triggered ability you can order them such that the opponent takes damage first and loses the game with the abilities that damage yourself still on the stack.

@SchwettyBawls 8 ай бұрын

I kinda missed hearing your signature, *giggle* "Sweet, sweet!" Haven't heard it in the videos posted the last couple of weeks.

@MonsterCC 8 ай бұрын

I was living in a devil town, didnt know it was a devil town, oh lord it really brings me down about the devil town

@nevinherren2738 8 ай бұрын

A sentence I never thought I would hear mono red controll.

@someguy1ification 7 ай бұрын

I had a repercussion deck a while back. It had Furnace of Rath and a bunch of Earthquake variants. It would do things like give my opponents two 1/1s with Forbidden Orchard and then Quake for 2 and they would die (2x2 is 4 to each creature, then repercussion triggers doing 4x2 = 8 per creature, and 2x2 from the Quake itself is 20 damage if they have two guys on the board) that playgroup hated me.

@nmnate 8 ай бұрын

Oh man, I hope we get a match with a phyrexian obliterator 🤣

@Dragiceoriginal 8 ай бұрын

Seth keeping a 2 land hand in a 16 land deck, saying “it’ll be great if we draw a land”. Hmm.

@MTGGoldfish 8 ай бұрын

It's actually 24 lands (we have eight MDFCs which don't show up in the land counting tool). But yeah, still might have been risky.

@sterlingparrino8657 8 ай бұрын

Could play dousing dagger… and in red white with spark harvest to make planes walkers into creatures..

@ImJustHereToWatch14 8 ай бұрын

32:03 (Match 3 Game 1) with 37 cards left in the deck, drawing to three The One Rings on 12 draws, you are at a 70.399% chance to hit, which is a good chance, but not a guarantee by any means. It's definitely greedy and given you were unlikely to lose the following turn (I honestly don't know what beats three Burn Down the House tokens out of that deck), I think the greed wasn't justified

@tuongpham7609 8 ай бұрын

Technically speaking, infinite x 20 is still infinite. No such thing as bigger infinite. Rationality it makes sense but mathematically it doesnt. But thats why you declare a number when you go infinite.

@prestonroe268 8 ай бұрын

So the odds: The chance you miss that turn was 22.6% or just slightly worse than 1 in 5. The chance you miss from the valakut specifically was 33% or 1 in 3. In other words, it wasn't that unlikely for you to miss there, but it was probably still the best line.

@PermCommander 7 ай бұрын

I had a deck in highschool (2001) that was built around repercussion and furnace of wrath.... Leyline's didn't exist. 0 creatures. And burn spells. Shock, lightning bolts, seal of fire, urza's rage. Old school counterspell deck was the only thing I could find to beat it

@colinbroyles2602 8 ай бұрын

I want to see you play a Queza, auger of agonies deck (aka card draw tribal)

@mathiasbutler6212 8 ай бұрын

yknow, a much less jank solution to them not playing creatures is brash taunter

@BigCheeseNaan 8 ай бұрын

Not seing a one ring off that Valakut Awakening draw is about a 30% chance so it's unlucky to not get one but not that unlikely.

@KnighTiggles 8 ай бұрын

Maybe a dowsing dagger in the sideboard could help opponents always have critters?

@frienetic 8 ай бұрын

21:05 How do the Repercussion triggers stack? Seth would also have 20 damage pointed at himself for controlling a creature, or does he still just get to choose the order?

@frienetic 8 ай бұрын

I guess he does get to choose order because he controls Repercussion, just might need to be careful about auto ordering triggers

@InquisitorSinCross 8 ай бұрын

There's a shorthand: APNAP, which means "Active Player, Non Active Player". It dictates the order of getting priority of stacking triggers. Because Seth was an Active Player in that situation, he gets to choose how triggers of permanents he control go on the stack. Even if he had more creatures on the board than his opponent, he would still win because all he needs to do is to lower his opponents life to 0 or less, after that his opponent loses the game due to the state based action of having 0 or less life and because the match was won, stack gets cleared.

@MTGGoldfish 8 ай бұрын

I let Arena auto-stack them (which was probably a bad idea), but it worked out in the end!

@Tinil0 5 ай бұрын

I wish there were more Davriel cards since he is a Brandon Sanderson character.

@LadyMapi 8 ай бұрын

I'm surprised that you didn't go for transformational sideboard here, given how dependent the whole list is on your opponent having creatures.

@Krossfyre 7 ай бұрын

Lol, that poor discard opponent. Entire match was stuck between a rock and a hard place. The One Ring allows you to rebuild too quickly if they can't put down creatures, and they can't put down creatures because they'll die. And then Leyline of Combustion just shuts down their entire plan.

@andrecorso550 7 ай бұрын

Chandra WAS RIGHT THERE, uncounterably!!! Could even go 2 in the main!!! Rather than Fiery Emancipation, which is counterable the Big Chandra pings and is uncounterable.