Teaching Arena Zoomers About STAX | Against the Odds | Historic Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

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Жыл бұрын

The Brothers' War unleashed several iconic Stax pieces on Magic Arena. Let's see how many we can stax up and teach some Arena zoomers what it's like to NOT be able to play Magic!
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@augustusbrown4441 Жыл бұрын

Seth: "Emoting when your opponent is roping makes you looks bad" Crim: "I crowdsurf the Karn the moment I see the timer come up"

@MTGGoldfish Жыл бұрын

We have very different emote philosophies, lol

@starmanda88 Жыл бұрын

C R O W D S U R F T H E K A R N

@gabrielcondon6895 Жыл бұрын

People who rope don't deserve rights anyway 😂

@Tawnos_ Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish I turned off emotes in beta and never looked back. It certainly makes the game less frustrating :)

@jcft1408 Жыл бұрын

@@Tawnos_ skill issue

@joeyc6381 Жыл бұрын

you were right, the reason Heliod came back is because their devotion was only 4 without him on the board so he turns into a creature after he enters

@kingnapikkingoficeland7856 Жыл бұрын

so, cause he's an enchantment before being a creature?

@OsvaldoChannel1 Жыл бұрын

@@kingnapikkingoficeland7856 yes. He enters as not a creature, then as he enters he sees that devotion is 5 and then becomes a creature

@OGNoNameNobody Жыл бұрын

This Answer is Correct.

@dementievatz Жыл бұрын

It’s weird, because Containment Priest is a replacement ability “if a creature would enter the battlefield.” Heliod looks ahead and sees that it won’t be a creature because there isn’t enough devotion on the board, so it enters, but it enters as a creature because of its own devotion. I read about this interaction when planning to use Containment Priest as a sideboard card against Xenagos/Worldspine Wurm/Indomitable Creativity decks. It’s weird and unintuitive, but it’s how it works.

@jaxsonbateman Жыл бұрын

@@kingnapikkingoficeland7856 That's not quite it. It's because he has an ability that 'shuts off' him being a creature if the devotion isn't high enough - which is the case while he's not on the battlefield. Because it's a replacement effect that affects how the card enters the battlefield, it needs to be a creature as its entering (which it isn't, because of the lack of devotion). If it were, instead, a triggered ability that triggered when a creature entered the battlefield that wasn't cast, it would work, as triggered abilities look at permanents as they exist when they enter (so, for example, in this case Heliod would trigger a card like Soul Warden because her triggered ability sees that a creature entered the battlefield). Basically, replacement effects can be confusing. :P

@kaydenbarney2941 Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love Seth clicking the smiley face on the did you have fun screen

@runescapewarrior66 Жыл бұрын

"I would click it twice if I could" Is my favorite part

@bryantan4228 Жыл бұрын

New sub series of Against the Odds called "Teaching Arena Zoomers"? This is a sequel to Teaching Arena Zoomers About Hard Locks and Chalice

@ciaran.downey Жыл бұрын

Yes please, these are some of my fave videos

@brighty-go6nn Жыл бұрын

Are there actually that many people who started mtg with arena, I know I am one of those but sometimes it feels that I’m alone in that

@TheDylls Жыл бұрын

Having started with Naya Burn in modern back in the day, I saw Naya Zoo has been doing well recently and I'm kinda stoked lol

@ConManAU Жыл бұрын

I first played Magic a long time ago (back when mana burn was still a thing) but I quit for many years and only came back recently via Arena. So I’m not technically a Zoomer but I did miss a lot of these classic(?) deck archetypes.

@spumy_plughole1191 Жыл бұрын

@@brighty-go6nn I'm an arena zoomer lol

@VRanger100 Жыл бұрын

Seth: Today we're going to prevent our opponents from playing Magic on Arena. MTGA Economy: Hey that's my job.

@Linky609 Жыл бұрын

This would be more funny if it weren't so damn accurate haha.

@ashdog9235 Жыл бұрын

Funnily enough I want to build stax but is like over 50 rares 😬

@alejandrorivas4585 11 ай бұрын

@@ashdog9235that'll be 50 dollars k thx

@recusantvessel 3 ай бұрын

@@alejandrorivas4585try $125 :))))

@Collisto2435 Жыл бұрын

“You know crim would be crowd surfing karn” God yes I know he would

@abe_5536 Жыл бұрын

Containment priest/displacer loops against elves was so gross, I love it 😂

@harune8476 Жыл бұрын

Yeap. Totally thought game 1 was a fluke, then they got wrecked worse in game 2 by the same setup.

@Volttikoira Жыл бұрын

Mtggoldfish might be my favourite educational channel. Teaching new players all the important life lessons.

@Modest7787 Жыл бұрын

I love Seth educating arena zoomers about early magic.

@arken2903 Жыл бұрын

Watching Seth play, joke and give his opinion is magical, it's like having a Dumbledore showing you how Magic works

@50mm_ Жыл бұрын

Favorite moment: Following the one land, one keep defeat, Seth shrugs and says, "It's just one of those things. There's nothing we could have done. Nothing we could have done differently at all. The Magic Gods just didn't want us to win."

@LadyMapi Жыл бұрын

When I first saw the video length, I legitimately thought you only played 2-3 games. Turns out that I underestimated Arena players. The match vs. Elves was one of the most beautiful things I've seen in a while.

@TheDylls Жыл бұрын

"How does your deck win?" You decide to concede. "No, I mean what's the wincon?" Destroying your will to continue

@kevinwonnacott5150 Жыл бұрын

"I would click this twice if I could" was gold.

@DonovanPresents Жыл бұрын

I love how the one deck to beat old school magic was an old school magic deck itself 😂 Also, the last game with lifegain: Drannith Magistrate shuts down Disturb creatures as well!

@Henzoid Жыл бұрын

Seth, I was 100% sure you were correct about that Heliod re-entry being an arena bug so I did some digging. And it turns out, nope. “As a God enters the battlefield, your devotion to its color will determine whether any replacement effects that affect creatures entering the battlefield apply to that God. Because replacement effects are considered before the God is on the battlefield, the mana symbols in its mana cost won’t be counted when determining this.”

@jamespeckham4089 10 ай бұрын

all those devotion requirements are static , in play, ABILITIES. its still a CREATURE CARD. anywhere but on the battlefield they are still technically creatures. if you remove all abilities from a god card the devotion thing no longer applies

@Lemony711 Жыл бұрын

Seeing Stax work on arena makes me immeasurably happy.

@angrybellsprout Жыл бұрын

Not sure what this has to do with smokestack. Feels more like taxes...

@valorantfaded 11 ай бұрын

Stax is a term referring to cards that restrict the ability to play the game. Smokestack was the first one. Tax cards are stax pieces.

@chasebethersonton5169 8 ай бұрын

Smokestack made people sac permanents, so I consider that to be stax. Maybe we need a "Stax and Tax"

@williambosma8726 Жыл бұрын

This warms my heart seeing all the stax ❤️

@panko2848 Жыл бұрын

36:03 so i looked this up, apparently because Heliod only becomes a creature due to its OWN white pip giving enough devotion it avoids the Containment Priests effect, since upon entering it is considered an enchantment, and then immediately afterwards checks devotion count and becomes a creature. if the opponent had one more white pip on the board Heliod would have been exiled since it would have entered as a creature i believe. EDIT: should have watched a bit further, you immediately assumed the correct reason lol

@SpinAroundU Жыл бұрын

As I explained stax (even thought without the actual stax I'd argue it's more like D&T) once to a newbie friend : "Stax is breaking your legs in order to break your opponent's, except *you* can actually win with broken legs."

@MTGGoldfish Жыл бұрын

Haha, this is a perfect description.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Жыл бұрын

I like to use doom foretold as a stand in for smoke stax.

@nathanielreichley4640 Жыл бұрын

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305Nice that's a good point!

@kristeenlivesay2664 Жыл бұрын

I love these ones, learning about these kinds of decks is almost a right of passage for MTG players.

@redstonepro5412 Жыл бұрын

i am very glad that you do such educational content also for your opponents

@japanime313 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I can rely on you to teach the ways of old to these zoomers🤣

@Soulus101 Жыл бұрын

I've been trying to build this deck for ages! Thanks for this!

@XxKyle318xX Жыл бұрын

Strict proctor was incredible in this. It’s a card I’ve seriously overlooked because I felt like everytime it hit the field it was doing work

@Jackson666fan Жыл бұрын

loving the historic content!

@WushuTaz Жыл бұрын

Gotta love that evil stax laugh that only a fun game of stax can provide.

@adamtobiasz8793 Жыл бұрын

Another great video brother Set. I really enjoyed seeing people scoop up to you.

@toolittletoolate 8 ай бұрын

Ah fantastic, I thought you might have done this already but I look forward to this

@Qub3rs Жыл бұрын

Stax... my mortal enemy... My hatred for Stax is infinite... Only entertaining when I'm not the opponent...

@theetiologist9539 Жыл бұрын

This has to be one of the best intros ever. I fricking love it.

@Majdjejsneei4 Жыл бұрын

I cant believe how many salty ropes and instant scoops you got, that was filthy

@HiggzWasHere Жыл бұрын

Opponent: gets mana starved Seth: Yeah that was a good one!

@Axelf83 Жыл бұрын

I loved this educational video so much!

@justinwhite9353 Жыл бұрын

This video was extremely satisfying to sit through 😂

@Netro1992 Жыл бұрын

Making zoomer squirm with old archetypes is always fun.

@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet Жыл бұрын

This deck gives me such Teferi/Knowledge Pool vibes... so happy!!!

@nathanwrennmn Жыл бұрын

Some wholesome content. The world needs more of this.

@matiasc003 Жыл бұрын

"We stax away their will to play magic, we got them" LOVED IT!

@harune8476 Жыл бұрын

Amazing seth! love the Arena zoomers videos. I only hope that we one day get the cards to teach Arena zoomers about lantern control.

@mrsnufflegums Жыл бұрын

Arena zoomers really need to understand the hell that is a lock-out stax list. They just don't get how brutal it can be to play against.

@Spotifist Жыл бұрын

Exciting deck, thanks for the video!

@ben_clifford Жыл бұрын

4:10 That intro got me PUMPED UP. I can't wait to see how things turn out.

@YepNah 10 ай бұрын

Genuinely seems like a pretty sweet deck. Loved this episode.

@alexleblanc6364 Жыл бұрын

Can we get a full stream of this Seth?! It was so much fun to watch

@brycerathsack7885 Жыл бұрын

This is the wholesome content I subbed for.

@jjanderson12001 Жыл бұрын

Makes me giddy when you’re “teaching Zoomers” videos come out nothing sweeter!! Thanks Seth you’re the best

@bobklaasen5358 Жыл бұрын

That was some insanely lucky draws against that elves deck. And containment priest + displacer is not a combo I would have thought of but its really fun to see.

@nonsuperimposable Жыл бұрын

I could watch this deck for hours 😍

@HeruCSGO Жыл бұрын

I got the mutavault + book of exalted deeds combo off right before I was gonna lose, so the dude played it out until my only permanent left in play was mutavault from an ultimate, then when he had no cards left they used all their timeouts. Truely the best game of magic I’ve played.

@izzyv830 Жыл бұрын

as an arena zoomer i gotta say this deck looks incredibly sweeeet. plus anything that dunks on control has my approval

@fish_in_distress Жыл бұрын

I got into MTG by playing Legacy basically by accident because I didn't know any better, so these videos really take me back lmao

@bryankopkin6869 Жыл бұрын

“Opponent is on brand. I wonder if they are actually an elf.” - Seth, probably better known as “Saffron Olive”

@seanclark4071 Жыл бұрын

When you played prison, I commented on the fact that that style of deck really preys on the historic meta. It seems this remains true

@SpellingBeeWiner Жыл бұрын

Keeping a 1 lander lol. That was so painful to watch. Everything else was amazing, totally love the deck. I need to try this!

@AndrewSlee9 Жыл бұрын

that elf matchup went perfectly lmao insane

@Gitah92 Жыл бұрын

Damn, just looking at the deck tech RN. But wow, this is a masterpiece.

@camj1758 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful stuff

@davidmorales-dm7xm Жыл бұрын

First time showing us the survey, this was a monumental moment in Against the Odds.

@Awesomesausages Жыл бұрын

I could watch a couple videos of Seth playing stax every day and be happy.

@disafear3674 7 ай бұрын

That was fun!

@agrape2887 Жыл бұрын

Watching elfball scoop to a displacer is great

@seleenshadowpaw3012 Жыл бұрын

If you are already doing arena exhibitions, i'd like to ask that you include the wildcard costs of the deck in the cost preview maybe? Knowing how much the deck costs in paper or tix kinda does jack in this instance. And it at least gives you a feeling of what you'd need to craft it yourself.

@apocpon1944 Жыл бұрын

"Did you have fun in that match?" God, what a perfect time for Arena to ask lmao

@moox100 Жыл бұрын

that elves matchup was brutal it was like you kicked a puppy

@IanWeaver Жыл бұрын

Oh my god I love Stax. I have to build this deck now.

@adizzle625 Жыл бұрын

This video made me so happy. Take them to class Seth!

@PKAnon Жыл бұрын

This was therapeutic

@stonerainproductions Жыл бұрын

I wish we had a Smoke Stack so we could complete the experience! Great video!

@MTGGoldfish Жыл бұрын

Me too :(

@47Mortuus Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish would be a completely different deck

@anthonycastaneda1331 Жыл бұрын

I'd really love a tshirt with "Sweet, Sweet" as part of it!

@chaosgaming2447 Жыл бұрын

Nice Vid love this!

@mymusic2403 Жыл бұрын

"I wonder if they're actually an elf" that part actually killed me LOL

@dakodastevens8972 Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think keeping that 1 lander was a mistake. Risky, but when you are in a bad match up, you often have to take risks or gets a little lucky to win. You needed 1 land out of your top 2 maybe 3 cards, that's a pretty high chance, your chances of getting an above average draw if you mulled to 6 was probably lower than that. In general I am more willing to either keep risky hands or mulligan hands that are a little below average in bad match ups.

@TheAndyDish Жыл бұрын

People hate on stax, then they can't do anything about it. Funny how that happens!

@IAmebAdger Жыл бұрын

That's some good educating right there

@matthewbell4897 Жыл бұрын

That elves match was brutal. Absolute massacre

@ngbrother Жыл бұрын

This deck was legit. Very cohesive. In terms of game play, there were a couple times when you cast combat tricks at sorcery speed. 😅

@souocesar Жыл бұрын

This reminds me the good ol days of locking fool with pool and teferi. Oh please revisit the good old lock decks. :)

@MesivYT Жыл бұрын

36:20 Heliod is the 5th devotion, so it’s not a creature until Heliod enters

@XanosKnyghtshade Жыл бұрын

I didn't know the Lotus Field combo, that's goin in my Stax deck

@colinrobinson4464 Жыл бұрын

Super interesting to watch you play Stax in historic after only ever heard of Stax as a commander boogeyman. With certain strategies like this, I do think it would be interesting to hear you talk about how to counter some of the strategies that you play in ATO. I know the answer might be "Opponent just needs to play magic" haha but would still be interested to hear. And not what deck I should play to counter it, more like "if you're playing tempo and encounter this in the wild, what should you do?"

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Жыл бұрын

I'm a stax player, its very dependent on what deck you are. its all about the long game though unless you're aggro and can go under.

@tyleradams6817 Жыл бұрын

Seth, what about Wurmcoil in the Side as a Karn target to help close out games?

@KunouNoHana Жыл бұрын

So the Heliod thing is, as you guessed, because they had exact devotion. By removing it you lowered their devotion so it wasn't a creature, then when it came back it's mana symbol gave them devotion again so it became a creature AFTER containment priest had already checked it.

@Miluric Жыл бұрын

With all the value packed into creatures nowadays, ETB hate cards really saved the match-up. I recognized it even back in Ixalan with Tocatli Honor Guard. Way to show it to the Arena Zoomers!

@RedemptionExplained 2 ай бұрын

question - do only best of 3 queues let you choose if you want to go first? lots of draft games I would prefer to go 2nd but it seems decided by coinflip and I cant choose.

@MasterCrvo Жыл бұрын

So funny...I worked on a version of thus deck all night last night, using stone rain as well. Soooooo fun

@MasterCrvo Жыл бұрын

I'm really excited to incorporate some of these ideas, too. Thanks for your work!!

@Minervastouch Жыл бұрын

@jjjbowen221 Жыл бұрын

"Stax" comes from the card "smokestack" from Urza's Saga, one of the original pieces.

@absoluted100 Жыл бұрын

So happy to see this video!

@ashdog9235 Жыл бұрын

I really want to build a version of this seems so fun

@-homerow- Жыл бұрын

New Elesh Norn is going to be cray cray

@alecolson1501 Жыл бұрын

Yeah man, Strict Proctor is an extremely good card. I remember pulling one right when STX came out and it was such a fun card to see people experience for the first time lol

@Atmapalazzo Жыл бұрын

31:32 HE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! ITS A MIRACLE!

@gardnering Жыл бұрын

Made me lol: "I wonder if they are actually an elf!"

@simic0racle157 Жыл бұрын

i have a stax historic brawl deck based on using role reversal to give away codie, the dck runs alot of 4 manna nonpermant spells and role reversal is the only one at 3 mana or less.