yup, you can control where the line breaks when u snag..

its marketing wars. If either of them changes their line lay, it would be admitting that they were wrong and the other guy was right.

the exceller line lay should be exactly as what you see on this picture here... If worse than that, maybe you put line too thick or some other issue. But i have a bunch of excellers and there is nothing wrong with their line lay... its not as good as Ultegra or any shimano, but its still just fine..

thanks Gary

well, i hope u can control your nerves..

everyone uses different knots and everyone ties them differently. Most people know that the knot will reduce the breaking strength. As a matter of fact, at the end of the video i recommend always tying a leader just so u control where the line breaks when u get hung..

thats the first feedback i get on this reel. Where are u from? Why don't u send me one for review? : ) Do u remember 2017 Presso Limited? I said many videos ago that i am waiting for 2024 Presso Limited, that will be based on that Exist SF, but completely stripped of Magseal and with some lighter grease. Just like the current Presso is a Luvias stripped out of Magseal and with lighter grease. Same but with the Exist SF. Maybe some downgrade on something that doesn't matter, so to bring the price down to $500...

@@ifishcatfish Would be the dream, Daiwa definitely have the facilities to do it. The manufacturing quality of their Japanese made reels is unmatched (only Stella FK compares), but they just don't seem to care as much for the UL anglers as they used to, which hurts them no doubt. I mean imagine if they just made a zero inertia/resistance Airity, no magseal some light grease and maybe some special low friction bearings, even that would be an absolutely perfect UL reel... It's such a big miss. I'm always torn in this argument because personally it urks me that the Vanquish just isn't there in terms of how good reels can feel, but for ultralight it has the performance everyone wants, so it's always a toss up that the Vanquish usually wins purely based on that factor, a Daiwa actually focused on perfecting free spinning would make it easier. Again they can do it, the SLP sensitive tuned reels are legit exactly that, and SLP are a part of Daiwa themselves haha, but they need to stop doing it that way and just make a reel exactly like it from stock, like they did with the Presso LTD and 17 Steez, but with all the new tech (as much as I love the Presso LTD it's hard to deny that it does feel kinda dated at the point).

@@cozab5487 im pissed they didnt put the stella gears in the vanquish. The stella gears feel like heaven and every angler would pay $30 more. I see the cost of the stella gears is just a little higher …

yes, i have used one of their PEX8 that cost about that much. Good line, casts great, sensitive and all that, but i don't like the feel of braid and i gave it away to subscriber

@@ifishcatfishwas ist das Gefühl von Zopf?

@@troutfishingnorth ich scprechen sie deutche nicht

Sie mögen das Gefühl von Ester?

Es ist leiser!?

It doesnt. It reduces line slipping out and making nests.

@@ifishcatfish I found this on Daiwa site A maximized core diameter and reversed taper mean 100% useable line, with no more "dead" line buried in a deep core. You can fill it with line right up to the edge of the spool lip without fear of tangles. The ABS reverse tapered design causes less casting friction for longer and easier casting.

@@exitar1 like i said, it reduces slipping out since the line is its own brake. But doesn't increase distance. If anything it reduces it

In contrast to classic cylindrical spool designs, ABS spools are tapered to limit the risks of tangling on the cast. What’s more, the lip reduces friction to boost casting distance. The new ABSII design has been optimised to let you reach record distances on the cast. @@ifishcatfish

@@exitar1 No, you will not get any records with any daiwa reel! The reason they went with this reverse taper is because they can't lay the line flat on the first place. The line on the bottom of the spool has a DIP in front of it, if you can imagine that, and its very easy for the coils at the back of the spool to slip out. Shimano doesn't have this problem! But daiwa does. To compensate for that, they came up with this stupid reverse taper desin, so the coils on the back of the spool don't just fall off the spool. Then, to hide and justify all of this, they write this marketing nonsense. The truth is that even the Exist cannot cast as far a Ultegra.

first of all, GET RID OF PHOBIAS that u can do this wrong! If u do no backing line at all, it will still cast pretty much perfect, because the spool is so shallow. If you look at bass anglers with the deep spools, they always leave a lot of space under the spool, much more than this completely empty spool. So its more important not to overfill it. You cannot underfill it. One crank of the handle puts about 3.5 feet of line, so 20 cranks of the handle will be about 70 feet. Thats about enough. Make sure your backing line is NO MORE than 0.15mm, so not to bunch up at the end

i dont recommend braids for anything at all

Not Miravel, Ultegra is the first reel with perfect line lay. Miravel has the same locomotive oscillation as daiwa. Ultegra is the cheapest shimano reel with oscillation worm. Miravel is alright, but not comparable to Ultegra

@@ifishcatfish I guess I was lucky, then. I don’t do a lot of ultra light fishing, and mostly use large salt water tackle. However, I fish for trout throughout the winter season, and have 2 Miravel spinners that I use for that, exclusively. Both the 1k and 2k Miravels I own have absolute perfect line lay, when I use the 6lb Sufix 832 braid. PS. I watched your drag modification video, and it reminded me that my favorite drag sound (by far) is in the Shimano Saragosa SW. that thing is so crisp and loud…! Completely different clicker system, altogether.

there is no luck in the line lay.. Miravel will always be concave like Daiwa, and Ultegra will always be flat. Its not bad, there is nothing wrong with it, but Miravel is just not flat.

I have the SVG nylon, i find it overrated. Not that strong. Varivas has some of the strongest lines in the world. Labels are a poor way to judge line as everybody lies brazenly on the labels. I can make a line and put whatever i want on the label. Varivas, YGK, Sunline, Daiwa, Shimano, Seaguar.. all of these lines have very similar strength per diameter because this is the level of technology available. You have the wrong attitude about line. If you care about label, you will end up with some garbage from ebay or aliexpress.

@@ifishcatfish thank you for your reply! I agree with everything and that many companies lie either about thickness or strenght. I've had enough of cheap fishing equipment, I want better quality, and that costs money. somehow I think I could risk about 20 euros and buy a new Duel The One.. it is used by many Japanese UL anglers. thin and durable. now, I'm afraid he might be like a nanophile who didn't quite make a name for himself...

Product description Duel The One 150 m Monofilament The DUEL The One 150 m Monofilament Half Ghost is a top-of-the-line fishing line designed for anglers who demand high performance and exceptional durability. This fishing line is specifically engineered to enhance your fishing experience, allowing you to cast farther and with greater accuracy. The Half Ghost feature of the line refers to its unique semi-transparency, which provides remarkable invisibility underwater. This makes it an excellent choice for targeting cautious and easily spooked fish in clear waters. Whether you're fishing in a crystal-clear lake or a pristine river, the Half Ghost line ensures that fish won't detect your presence and increases your chances of a successful catch. The 150-meter length of the line provides ample length for most fishing situations, giving you the freedom to cast your line far into the water without the fear of running out of line. The Monofilament construction of the line offers excellent strength and resistance to abrasion, allowing you to handle large and powerful fish with confidence, while also providing a smooth and effortless casting experience. The DUEL The One 150 m Monofilament Half Ghost is suitable for a wide range of fishing techniques, including spinning, baitcasting, and trolling. It is versatile enough to be used in both freshwater and saltwater environments, making it a go-to choice for anglers of all levels. With its superior strength, stealthy invisibility, and exceptional performance, the DUEL The One 150 m Monofilament Half Ghost is a must-have fishing line for any serious angler looking to elevate their fishing game to the next level.

i use cheap ebay lines for backing, no name.. Unless i have leftovers from some other spool..

I’m spooling my 21 presso with 2.5lb Varivas but don’t know if to put 2lb or 4lb for backing since that’s all I have at the moment. Which one of those two would you use for backing since it’s such a shallow spool? Thanks !

@@ramontorres905 do u really need backing? 2.5 lb line is usually fat enough to fill the spool. Otherwise, use whatever is closer to diameter of your main line

I got the same one you got that comes with 80m, but if you think backing isn’t necessary I might just only put the 80m of 2.5 lb then

@@ramontorres905 oh, i didnt know it was 80m. Yes, u will need a little filler then..

Its not trash at all, its pretty reliable. Its kind of thick for diameter, and very stretchy, but otherwise reliable. I wouldnt use it for sensitivity applications, but for float fishing ot swimbait fishing its totally fine

How so??

I don't recommend Ester line for beginners. It is very difficult to use and very brittle. U can use your high viz line as long as it is THIN, no more than 0.14mm. I don't care for pounds, don't tell me pounds, found nylon or fluorocarbon less than 0.14mm and u can use high viz, nothing wrong with that. I use Ester for sensitivity, not for strength. Strength of ester is very poor, compared to nylon and FC

@ifishcatfish Thanks for the note here, much appreciated. Perhaps by best option it seems is for a high quality Varivas braid 4-5lb as they are thin and keep up the sensitivity, then to pair with a high quality shock nylon leader for starting out then fluoro. Once I get more experience I'll look forward to trying my hand with ester!

@@garethmorris2042 I don't know why people NEVER EVER accept simple advice! Never once! Unless u give them some complicated and expensive advice, they think you are shorting them. I gave u my advice. If u want to learn things yourself, go spend $50 on Varivas braid, and come back and report here your experience in a few months.

@ifishcatfish Thanks. Yes I will steer clear from ester for a while and will take your advice. If you also think a tougher braid is a bad idea, which line would you recommend I start with? I did buy a 2lb Leland nylon just to see how thin it was, and was going to use it for my daughter's reel, perhaps I should just spool that up first before I try jdm options.

i want to recommend again what i said in my first post. It is very simple and affordable and easy to fish. I didn't say anything about tough braid-don't know where u got that. And i don't know the diameter of that SOS line, but your commend is kind of condescending about it, saying that it is not good enough for you, but for your daughter. All of your posts have this kind of demeanor. That yhou are too good for simple tackle. If that is the case, you need a higher quality advice than what i can offer

ALWAYS leader, on any line, no exceptions.

@@ifishcatfish hmm alright, I think I’ll use a 3lb leader then as that’s what my rod maxes out on. Also what kinda of leader knot do you tie? Would an Alberto knot work for connecting polyester to fluoro?

you can use 100 pounds leader, that has nothing to do with the rod ratings : ) If the rod says 3lb line max, that means thicker line will not be able to go through the guides. This is PURELY about the diameter of the guides... but the leader will not go through guides, if u put only 2 feet or so..

@@ifishcatfish oh I did not know that. I always thought the line rating is there to tell you what line strength would break just before the rod would. Thanks for the information! The diameter of the guides on my rod are very small so what you said makes sense. thank you!

only for ice fishing

no, the orange breaks 25% under what label says.. and thats brand new, on the bench, not in the water

I do check my blood pressure regularly! :) So far its fine.. 4-6 lb line will not go through the guides of this specific rod, but my catfish and carp tackle is loaded with 6lb mono!

Not really

'Not really' is how i would put it too

thats not how reels work. Line twist is your fault, but u can't control where the line goes on the spool. Thanks for the comment. I bet there was 100 people who liked the video but were too lazy to leave a comment, but you did. I will take it.

teach me about copolymers, WHY are they better?

Why better? I am curious too :) which copolymer do you use?

They have better knot strength ,abrasion resistance, they stretch more, come in clear or colors, they also have less memory and are much less money... @ifishcatfish

Sufix Tritainium plus, Trilene Sensation, Gamma High Performance...@@garylake998

@@exitar1 my advice to you is, Say No to Bullshit! Copolymer is the new and modern name for nylon/monofilament. I dont mind using nylon/monofilament for float fishing, where sensitivity and stretch don't matter, but for swimbaits i still want decent sensitivity and low stretch. Also, fluorocarbon is a little heavier and helps run on the bottom. Also it is thinner than all those nylons. Copolymer is a fake category and companies resort to that because these days it is very hard to sell good old nylon to people