James, it's a great car....it's not a sports car. Drive a mx5, lotus Elise etc...driving a light car is fun and sporty. The Porsche is great but hugely heavy and ultimately uncommunicative. my son just bought his first car..a 2011 Mégane Renault sport 2.0 turbo. It's a sportier and more fun drive than my Audi e Tron GT.

Thanks James! Much appreciated

Is it really? How often do you drive 250 miles in one journey ?

No problem at all! It’s very easy for people to have a sheep mentality and followed the BS that is spread about EV’s

Very nice! Great car!

My point was that VAT makes a large amount of prices up, I understand it’s not listed but still included. What I was getting at is if you paid £100k for a car and kept it for a week then listed it for sale you wouldn’t get anywhere close what you paid for it

@@TomShorrock The vat on a£100k car is £16670 not £20000. also the £20k in options has £3333 of vat in it. So you're not down to £60k , you're down to £66666.

I’ve been fortunate to live with 5 Cayennes and a hybrid Panamera. I had a loan Taycan for a week. You’re right, awesome acceleration but that’s about it. Couldn’t wait to get back in my V8 Cayenne.

🤣🤣🤣🤣this is some funny shxxx🤣🤣🤣🤣

This video is not for me to feel anything, it’s not my car, it’s to actually talk about facts rather fiction

100% agree! There no hear box to brake on an EV

​@@TomShorrockI've read in forums that quite a few of the great boxes break in those earlier taycans actually.. And that's a huge problem when anyone at all hears that cuz it's a problem where there doesn't need to be one.

@@TomShorrock I wish that were the case, but it has a 2-speed transmission and is a potential point of failure. I think it's a clever design, but I can't imagine Porsche is going to be merciful, cost wise, if that thing has an issue.

Cheers dude! And the EV6 is another great car!

Very true! My mate has an 8 year old Tesla model S with 120k miles on it and it still charges up to 235mile range

Mate your comment scares me, exactly in the same situation! I was about to take a 2023 bmw but eventually ended up buying 2022 taycan cs… , drives perfectly fine for me🙌🏻😅

Thankyou

It’s quite possible

I’m not to sure I think it varies dependant on what agreement to go for. However bare in mind there is not oil changes needed etc

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US is always cheaper

Totally fine no issues so long as you don’t go will quick

now worth about 55k

Offcourse you are because you need to convince yourself that you didn't buy the cat i the bag. It's kinda mental self protection to live in denial. Denial that you have thrown 10th of thousands of pounds on a car that you're now stuck with.

​@@Jazzmaster71what do you mean "stuck with"?

Great car dude!

@@eingast7798 ignore the troll, he's probably patting himself on the back while he's riding his clapped out civic

Great purchase

Totally agree! And thanks for dropping a comment 💪🏻

I agree he has, but most people will read his ridiculous titles and look no further and take it as fact

I totally agree! My biggest fear however is when the energy companies start to ramp the price up it will become more expensive than diesel & petrol. Speaking of which motorway services are nearing £2.00 per litre again …

@@TomShorrock that's when you have to go for home solar to keep a lid on these companies! So essentially for cost effective EV ownership likely you need to be a wealthy person with off street parking and solar and the economics of it will be propped up by the average car owner who may have to use public charging or grid electricity.

Very true! Sadly here in the UK we don’t get enough sunlight to make solar payback times shorter

This is what the manufacturers state mate

Thank you! Much appreciated, I’m just a normal guy that doesn’t listen to the BS and does my own research 💪🏻

Thanks for watching, and thanks for the feedback, like I said Porsche offer 8year warranty on the batteries and motor, so if they fail after 3 years it shouldn’t be a chargeable repair 💪🏻

@@TomShorrock yeah I appreciate your depth of knowledge into this. It was just my experience. Regardless of car I always like to ask if it’s a car that the person would pay cash for?🤔

Personally I disagree with paying for cars cash due to depreciation etc, I think leasing is the way forward if you like to change your car every 2-3 years. However if you like to keep cars than cash is definitely the way forward

Thanks for your message, my question is 'would you pay X for car Y'. I am thinking in terms of value as a lot of cars are £50k plus now and dont seem like good value. Regarding leasing, outwith a couple of company cars years, I have always bought cash. Just the way I was brought up.

@@TomShorrock ps just trying to have a car chat, I don't want an online argument or anything 😄

718 cayman GTS is a better drivers car than a 911 in my opinion

Glad you enjoyed! And glad you agree! I suppose positivity spreads slower than negativity 🤷‍♂️

I figured I got the vat wrong, due to getting the video out quick, however, it’s still a good car

@@TomShorrock agree!

Thank you!

Mac master is true about the depreciation but it certainly isn’t worth scrap value like he states in his title

Porsche extended warranty is £1k per year up to 14 years old

I hate to say it mate but I did cover all this in the video did you watch it all ?

@@jameslane3312 So you pay an extra £14,000 unless they choose not to accept your car ? Will the parts be available for a mk 1 Taycan in 14 years ? Nope.

@@RB-lt8kt are the parts available for 14 year old cars today. Yep!

@@jameslane3312 Yes many. You can buy classic car parts for cars 20 years old. I know several people buying new parts for ww2 jeeps in the UK. You mentioned 14 years but ev technology is changing so fast parts will no longer be made. Tesla and VW group will not allow you to buy aftermarket parts so where will you get the parts from ?

the four pot will have it's neck wrung in under 50k miles. Have the bits boosted out of it by the turbo in no time at all.

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This rep should have bought a Tesla and not an Audi - problem solved. And the car would have been ten grand + cheaper. Please don't allude to the incorrect assertion that "all EVs are the same" because the etron was a particular turd you could not even roll in glitter.

Thanks for your thoughts. Like you I’ve come to understand that Tesla’s have the edge on range. Can I ask what your thoughts are on the charging network, in particular Scotland? From what I gather unless you can charge at home. Trying to get around much of Scotland & in particular rural Scotland one is going to struggle. Even the gent I met described how at times it took a few goes to find a working charger. Maybe in time the network will be there however if I want to drive from NE Scotland to a west coast Island. I’m thinking I’m may well struggle to find chargers on route or at my destination. Let alone ones which are fast chargers?

@@SpiderMacKenzie We recently took a trip round the Scottish Borders, Edinburgh way and Berwick on Tweed. Up from Milton Keynes and back via the A1. There are chargers all over the place on the A1 and more going in. As for Scotland, we did not have any problems. We mostly used Tesla super chargers, which ALWAYS work, you don't need a special card or anything and some are open to non Tesla, but we also used EV power near the hotel [7 brand new 150kw stalls] and a couple of 50kw "Electrify Scotland" chargers we found in small car parks like in wonderful Melrose town. We did no come across anything that did not work. Amazing dead straight up and down old Roman Roads. We also drove through the Northumberland National Park via the A68. There were just no problems at all with charging. The car is easily capable of 300+ miles though at non motorway speeds. We just charged when we could - the Tesla car mapping has all chargers that are not "locked in" with special cards, but we invariably stopped because we had to, not the car. Maybe I have been lucky but also did a 1,000 mile round trip to the North West of Ireland and back - charging just was not a problem. Even overnight on a 13 amp socket at my Uncle's house gave 100+ miles. It is a differing mindset. I only ever had one issue public charging and that was a 50kw charger we found near the Holyhead Ferry Terminal - it started charging ok but stopped 10 mins later. We called the helpline and they rebooted it remotely and it was then fine. For some reason it would only give me instructions in Welsh but figured it out. I discovered later there were even (free) chargers I could have used on the Stena line Ferry. Finally, I strongly recommend a site like abetterrouteplanner or zapmap if your car does not have something suitable like the Tesla mapping. If you have to use a car for work - swallow your pride and get a Tesla, they are longer range, best charging, best value and super reliable. Local Pizza shops round here use Model 3 to deliver Pizzas and that is purely because they are the cheapest delivery vans you can get. I also know the popular MG5 Estate is well liked by people who have to drive for a living. There are also ODB2 dongles you can get that work with charger mapping [example TRONITY] using your phone or apple / android car link that will show your car range in real time and organise your route and charging stops automatically (Teslas do this anyway and probably other cars too). you tube video of someone going from UK to the boot of Italy in an e208 illustrating the real time charge data / mapping : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLt1qZuBvNCRY6c.html

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Said this to a couple of people, I can’t comment on issues like this having only had the car for a week

Insurance is cheaper due to all the anti collision systems it has, and the servicing is minimal, just brakes & health checks, no oil changes needed etc

get the approved insurance and you're good

​@@TomShorrockbatteries buggy software ElectricAl systems software.

Civic type r value went up

5 percent battery dehydration in 8 years, right ?

not even close to the Taycan in the looks departmenr and all Audi interiors are horrible IMO. Both cars suffer horrendous depreciation but I would choose a used Taycan over the Etron all day long.

Great car and deal dude!

All EVs suffer horrendous depreciation, and it’s the incentives to buy them that cause it, I did mention all this in the video…

@TomShorrock Yes, Tom, I fully understand and appreciate what you've set out, but for me, the depreciation is more or less offset by the incentives and im saving a a signifcant amount in running costs. Your Informative appraisal is appreciated nonetheless.

@ianmichael8117 Each to his own, I guess, and I did say "in my view" but also my exoerience of having driven both. I spent time with the equivalent Taycan from the dealer and also the two variants of Etron GT. I didn't consider the RS as significantly superior to the GT, so I opted for the Etron GT over the RS and Taycan based on driving over a couple of weekends and family reactions to both cars both went in favour of the Etron GT. I prefer their approach to the dash and driving at night, the headlights were significantly better than Taycan, as were the asthetics again in mine and the fam's opinion. At least I got to drive 3 versons of the cars before choosing, and I don't regret anything. I'm a former ysed 911 owner, and my daughter currently runs a Macan GTS, so we get Porsche but on this occasion the Audi won us over in its Daytona pearl paint and Black styling pack it is so sculpted, it picks up the light from all angles, particularly the rear and rear quarter. Both are great cars, though, and very little to choose between them.

Is this a personal experience ?

Very true

Thankyoy

I’ve heard about this

Porsche don’t pay anyone to review their cars, nor does any car manufacturer, it’s common knowledge

@@TomShorrock I was being tongue in cheek.

@@adogmcdizzle fair play

And that’s exactly the point in my video

They look great, But there the size of a transit van!

I agree Dave, I think they are more aimed at non car enthusiasts, plus when the tax benefits disappear I think less people will drive them

They are huge, but you also save on servicing etc

Snob 😭🤣

Again, I can’t comment on this I don’t own one

Thank you! Glad your think so

There isn’t something wrong with my logic, do you seriously think paying 10k in options adds 10k into the used price? Don’t get me wrong it does help the value slightly but certainly not to the full amount you paid

If you’re talking from personal experience, I really can’t comment on this, I can only pass on my views from having a press car.

I’m not listening to the Macmaster, I’m telling people to do exactly what you say

It’s not unique to Taycan, it’s due to the government incentives that accelerates the depreciation, ask yourself if the government offered a salary sacrifice scheme or 2% BIK on a 911, you would find the 911’s depreciate exactly the same

I agree he certainly exaggerates but he’s still probably a nice guy

Probably not, only government or tax incentives

It is, but it also currently very good

Did you miss the bit where I explained why EV’s lose money than most cars? It’s because of the government incentives, apply these to a 911 and you’re in the same boat.

That’s dude! Appreciate it

Ok I may have got the VAT wrong, but ask yourself a question. Would you be righting this comment if I didn’t? My whole video is about explaining why they lose money and the main reason in the government incentives

Humm why?

I’m only telling you what the manufactures tell me

This is what I stated, I said that’s why nobody is buying them used

Not having ago a Lee, just pointing out his misinformation

I’m just putting forward the other side of the argument

Haha! I’ve heard this before

Errrm. That's not very good for a daily driver (environmental concerns are factored in). I am sure most Americans just don't care I hope I am wrong.

@@EcoFP33 The 911 is a perfect daily driver. Give it a go and see. As for the environment, we Americans do care a lot. Ever visited our vast and beautiful national parks?

@@WFO.you bring up national parks as proof that americans care about the environment? 😂 Come ooooon 😂

@@toughkix6910 What country are you from and live in?

They don’t in the UK also

Rude

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Try the Ionic 5N and you’ll change your mind

@TomShorrock No. It sounds like a car from Pole Position on an 80s Commodore 64. Nice concept, but still not acceptable.

The average car payment in the UK is £500 a month… that’s scary

Yes please

Hate to say it mate, all new cars depreciate…

My point is I’m highlighting a positive in a negative situation, now is your chance to get a cheap Porsche

@TomShorrock Oh yeah, but they're cheap for a reason because no one wants them, not even the dealers want them anymore, especially now when insurance companies will just write them off due to the fact that the batteries cost more than what the car's worth.

@@DanDavies741 not quite sure if you watched the full video, but I do explain why they are cheap and nobody wants them

Ah yes we will drive gasoline cars indefenitely. Please share more of your wisdom with us.

Of course he didn't watch the video. He is a modern zombie shaped by clickbait headlines, 5 second attention span and lack fo critical thinking skills.

Why?

Certainly isn’t. Clearly haven’t watched the whole video

I forgot 17k equates to zero…

You also clearly haven’t watched the full video, if you think I’m suggesting to “ignore the truth”

Not as quick as a decent ICE car? Are you joking? I wouldn't buy one at the moment and will stick with a 2024 Macan GTS for now. But, having driven a Taycan 4S, there aint many ICE cars quicker and as for the Turbo S......

@@ianmichael8117 No hiding the weight. Total lack of drama for me. Acceleration gets old quick and range is awful even if you drive like a nun. Top end of rev range on something like a r8 v10 will never be matched by a EV. That’s why the Rimac failed. EV’s work best as nippy city cars. Range should be the priority not performance. The power delivery in a Taycan coupled with its mass is nauseating.

Even a m3 xdrive is a sub 3 second car now.

I’m sorry, but the acceleration on a EV is unbeatable by an ICE car

@@TomShorrock I’m sorry. That’s total bullshit. This is cheaper than the Tesla including the twin turbo kit kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL2BlKScvs3KpI0.htmlsi=w19P6DvAjZ85HRTw