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Ike: Countdown to D-Day (Part 8 of 9)

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Күн бұрын

IKE: COUNTDOWN TO D-DAY depicts the tense 90 days leading up to the D-Day invasion and how Dwight Eisenhower, against all odds, brilliantly orchestrated the most important military maneuver in modern history.

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@louiev2000
@louiev2000 15 жыл бұрын
deGaulle...what a character. Character also means arrogant SOB.
@MarkSteele-bh3hb
@MarkSteele-bh3hb 7 күн бұрын
Amen!
@cherylcowden9676
@cherylcowden9676 3 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was a horse's backside, then and later after the war. No respect for that man at all.
@LBF522
@LBF522 3 жыл бұрын
He certainly thought very highly of himself. I read that FDR did not like him.
@antonbruce1241
@antonbruce1241 3 жыл бұрын
@@LBF522 No one who ever met him did. I don't even think DeGaulle liked DeGaulle.
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, he did sail across the channel and refuse to surrender after losing his country. Many other great french generals betrayed their country.
@andrewthompson5728
@andrewthompson5728 2 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was the consummate asshole.
@lawrencewright2816
@lawrencewright2816 20 күн бұрын
@@rangergxi He flew actually.
@kyle381000
@kyle381000 2 жыл бұрын
Few Canadians have any respect for the likes of DeGaulle. In 1967, just 23 years after Canadians fought and died at Normandy attempting to liberate France, DeGaulle stood at city hall in Montreal and expressed his clear and unsolicited support for the separation of Quebec from the rest of Canada. Canadian PM Lester Pearson diplomatically demanded that DeGaulle 'explain himself' for this incredibly arrogant insult. In contrast, Pearson's wife, Maryon, asked DeGaulle how he could advocate for the breakup of Canada after so many Canadians died saving his country not once but twice. DeGaulle turned tail and left Canada immediately, never to return. Louis Mountbatten is not held in much higher esteem than DeGaulle.
@andrewthompson5728
@andrewthompson5728 2 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was arrogant beyond belief to the point of being a cartoon character. What he did then was a classic piece of shit move.
@MrBimirud
@MrBimirud Жыл бұрын
@kyle381000 Glad you mentioned De Gaulle's infamous Montreal speech. As an English-speaking Montrealer, my generation and my children's faced humiliation and oppression from Quebec separatists. Not blaming De Gaulle directly, but his "Vive le Quebec Libre" speech was a separatist rallying point. We Anglo Quebecers always saw De Gaulle as an irresponsible foreign disruptor.
@kyle381000
@kyle381000 Жыл бұрын
@@MrBimirud It is on my personal bucket list to desecrate de Gaulle's grave (in a minor temporary way) one day. Then, Jacques Parizeau.
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 3 жыл бұрын
That weather guy was probably wet from the sweat caused by all of that stress.
@charliejdk
@charliejdk 2 ай бұрын
Hilarious! Great one. Laughed out loud!
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 13 күн бұрын
Patton had his chaplain praying for the weather.
@chipurBillWhite
@chipurBillWhite 3 жыл бұрын
Stagg was about to turn 45 when this went down. This is cool: “For his invaluable services over the D-Day period, Stagg was appointed an Officer of the US Legion of Merit in 1945 and was also appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) at the same time.”
@nicholasiadevaio3854
@nicholasiadevaio3854 Жыл бұрын
Poor guy took a ton of shit. Ike called him "son" when he asked him Stagg to come back at 0200, which I think took the edge off the poor guy.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
Monty as a great leader, and Patton, well, was Patton. Churchill did everything in his power to make it all work. He was a great man, and even though I am an American, I greatly look up to him as a hero. Long live the memory of the British Bulldog.
@adamboyle3331
@adamboyle3331 3 жыл бұрын
“I may be British but I was born in America!” Churchill
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I admire him too, and the King. Lots of hero’s to go around.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle, on the other hand, should be remembered for what he did NOT do. De Gaulle refused to swallow his pride and work more in concert with the Allies, even though it could have been more helpful to his people. For example, he could have asked Churchill for greater access to the intelligence switchboard in London so he could spy more easily on Vichy: didn't happen.
@brohan914
@brohan914 12 жыл бұрын
"Does your order include the bodies of American soldiers in France's cemeteries?" - LBJ to De Gaulle, in response to his demand that all non-French NATO troops be removed from French soil
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
What an arrogant ass.
@cpope625
@cpope625 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't LBJ.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel Stetson No Frenchman on the beach at all lol.
@robertgabuna355
@robertgabuna355 3 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Stetson Is this a true account? My impression of French folks: arrogant!
@Mixer2904
@Mixer2904 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertgabuna355 funny we europeans think the same about the americans... arrogant
@robertmorris8997
@robertmorris8997 3 жыл бұрын
I was in England once. We took a train from Portsmouth to London. When we arrived, the Conductor(?) announced it with "Sunny London!" One of my fellow Marines said, "Does it come in a can?" I always loved that!
@danielcollinson4456
@danielcollinson4456 2 жыл бұрын
With my knowledge of british humour, that was a joke!
@kev3d
@kev3d 3 жыл бұрын
That poor meteorologist, the ultimate bearer of bad news on something he cannot control or guarantee. Imagine being indirectly responsible the fates of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions for what amounts to educated guessing.
@Baseballisbest67
@Baseballisbest67 3 жыл бұрын
If the French general really was like that then that’s very ungrateful...
@404Dannyboy
@404Dannyboy 3 жыл бұрын
General de Gaulle embodied the worst aspects of every negative French stereotype. He was very much like that. However, de Gaulle was de Gaulle and not most of France, most of France was grateful,. General de Gaulle was just an ass.
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 3 жыл бұрын
@@404Dannyboy Well, France did elect him President so they must have shared some of his sentiments.
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 2 жыл бұрын
Unsurprising, of French Snobbishness.
@allengreene9954
@allengreene9954 Жыл бұрын
@@davecrupel2817. When the Allies had another meeting this time with the Soviets and Stalin was like “WTF Are the French Doing Here?????”🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
@11nytram11
@11nytram11 14 жыл бұрын
@shadowkitty56 Monty was not "a man of the old guard" and a "typical soldier of the British Empire" he was an outsider within the British Military. Monty was about as unique an officer as the British Military ever produced and was heavilly predjudiced against for his eccentricities in the between-war years by the "old boy's club" who he held in contempt. He owed his rise to army command entirely on the partonage of Alanbrooke who respected his abilities but remained an outsider. CONTINUED
@jjt1093
@jjt1093 3 жыл бұрын
LOL ike should of said "do you want france back to the french or stay German"
@11nytram11
@11nytram11 14 жыл бұрын
@shadowkitty56 Monty was never in line to become Supreme Commander. There were only two men who were in line to be Supreme Commander, Field Marshal Sir Alan Brooke CIGS or George Marshall US Chief of Staff. Marshall got it because of the knowledge that America would eventually be the senior partners in the operations but he was retained in Washington and it was Marshall who picked Eisenhower to be his replacement. Eisenhower was not in line for the job before that.
@robertgabuna355
@robertgabuna355 3 жыл бұрын
General Ike is the author of the concept to place allied forces under one supreme commander.
@nikemac84
@nikemac84 12 жыл бұрын
I crack up at De Gaulle just by looking at him>>>>
@11nytram11
@11nytram11 14 жыл бұрын
@shadowkitty56 He didn't expect soldiers to follow him without question. Montgomery was the very first modern command who made sure that every individual of his army knew not only what they were supposed to be doing in the coming battle but knew the overall plans for the battle and their place in it and, more importantly, WHY they were fighting. Above all else he desired fitness and professionalism but he didn't expect to soldiers to fight without know why, how and what they were going to do.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
That sounds exactly like what the 101st said about them, that they knew everything and was trained as high as you could get and I might add proved it over and over again.
@gamerk316
@gamerk316 3 жыл бұрын
While DeGaulle does come off as an ass here (and while he was an ass in reality), he does have a point. He was most worried that France would be treated as an occupied nation and puppeted by the Allies, despite assurances otherwise. So from his perspective, his *only* concern was ensuring France's post-war independence, which to him meant in-war independence as well. Accepting the Allies position, from his perspective, took away Frances ability to act as it saw fit, and thus must be rejected.
@dashcan8479
@dashcan8479 3 жыл бұрын
Ike told him France would be treated as a full Ally unlike Italy that had fought for the NAZIS
@eldrugoalex
@eldrugoalex 3 ай бұрын
A lot of balls for a general without army.
@ciroalb3
@ciroalb3 14 жыл бұрын
I don't think DeGaulle had that strong a hand, though of course he would see it that way. The Resistance was not going to sit out the invasion, the Allies had their own contacts among them, were paying them, that was that.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle also could have given France greater say in the operations of NATO after the war, but instead he railed against the idea because the Americans were in charge and the whole thing was to be in conflict with his friendship with Mao-you can't be a NATO leader nation& be pals with a Russian ally. It has cost France a great deal of influence in world politics that echoes to the present: it could have made it harder or Bush to go after Iraq if France was there to vote. Thanks De Gaulle.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
I never understood him except, I think he was so embarrassed by Frances getting ran through like shit through a goose, but he was against that ridiculous Maginot line and he just simply ignored the fact that Vichy France was Nazi allies, but his actions here when the whole war was at stake is unforgivable. Just more arrogance than five, five star generals combined.
@gtk5341
@gtk5341 3 жыл бұрын
Damn french......
@x46686
@x46686 16 жыл бұрын
de gaulle was extrememly tall not shorter than ike
@amanpeace5123
@amanpeace5123 3 жыл бұрын
I think beside ike and others generals, the group captain who have to calculate the weather movement was also important in planning of d day landing.
@LBF522
@LBF522 10 жыл бұрын
Eisenhower must have been a saint to put up with this jerk.
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 9 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle must have been pretty close to one to put up with Roosevelt and Churchill, who barely hid their contempt for him - despite De Gaulle having been one of the few commanders who actually fought well against Germany back in 1940. And no, I'm not saying that Roosevelt and Churchill were bad, they were in general, great men, but they pretty much wanted De Gaulle to sit down, speak when they wanted him to speak, say what they wanted to say, and so on. De Gaulle refused to do that. Yes, he had a huge ego, but then again so did many of these men. He fought for French recognition for years and years. And for that, he had to pretty much shake things whenever and wherever he could. Most would have folded. And he didn't make such sweeping negative comments about the battle plan. Historically, he wasn't agains the plan, in fact he generally agreed with it. Since this was made in 2003, when relations with France were pretty bad, there was likely some bias involved. They made him even more of a jerk than he really was, while Ike was made almost saintly here.
@LBF522
@LBF522 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the response. Very interesting.
@ThunderAppeal
@ThunderAppeal 3 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was a real piece of work.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 2 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle what a guy? I don’t think I could have stood much of him.
@deriter64
@deriter64 13 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle was a general of a defeated army of a conquered nation who insisted on acting like Napoleon. Morever his country was the one power that could have stopped Hitler but betrayed itself. And when he couldn't keep his yap shut my country threw him out.
@11nytram11
@11nytram11 13 жыл бұрын
@bibbler9 Charles De Gualle was actually one of the men who laid the foundations for Blitzkrieg and Heinz Guderian credited De Gaulle's work as an influence on him. De Gaulle also scored one of the few tactical successes of the Battle of France in 1940 at Caumont - he was too far down the command chain to have much impact in the whole campaign. So he did have a keen military mind but became far more heavilly involved in politics following the fall of France so his skills are somewhat unknown.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
Then why don’t you explain this arrogant display for us? Please.
@11nytram11
@11nytram11 4 жыл бұрын
@@ronniebishop2496 De Gaulle considered himself the main representative of France in exile - effectively the Head of State of loyal France. Upon his shoulders rest the responsibility of a nation, the pride of a nation, and he saw it as his duty to speak up for France, and to represent France against the Great Powers, and to do whatever he could to secure France's position amongst them. It can certainly be argued that he overplayed his hand, and that he was far too arrogant and abrasive, but it wasn't all a personal thing.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle could have done more under the table to alert the Resistance about, oh, a few million soldiers paratrooping out of the sky at Normandy so there would be a sizeable cluster of Resistance men already near Ste. Mere Eglise, ready and waiting to aid the soldiers in knocking out communication lines and keeping civilians from getting in the way. Did not happen
@nuancolar7304
@nuancolar7304 4 жыл бұрын
As I was watching this movie, I was thinking what a jerk Montgomery was, but then when I saw this scene with DeGaulle I realized Monty really wasn't all that bad. Monty was head-strong, conceited and had his faults but he was a competent commander who was instrumental in winning that war. DeGaulle was a petty little man who got his butt whipped by the Germans in 1940 only to have the Allies ferry him back to France in 1944, allowing him to step into the face-saving spotlight. Even then he showed no appreciation for it.
@captainzorikh
@captainzorikh 4 жыл бұрын
This scene grossly misrepresented deGaulle. He was the one leading actual attacks that scored actual victories against the Germans. In fact, the French fighting men fought hard and well when given the opportunity and the corect intel. The trouble was the high command, and the government in general, was unprepared to fight what the German military had become, and made a lot of bad decisions. DeGaulle was an arrogant dick who loved his country and was the person of highest rank to keep on fighting for it even after the government surrendered. He got himself recognized as the head of government of France by the allies, was able to get past various allied shenanigans to minimize his role and get him out of the way, and made sure that France was an independent allied nation at the end of the war, and not just another occupied country awaiting allied permission to hold elections. The allies did not "ferry him back to France" in 1944. He took his plane, with his pilot, and flew back without telling anyone at night. When his pilot could not identify the land below him, DeGaulle was able to figure out where they were and guide the pilot to a place to land. The Anglo-American allies wanted a submissive France that they could force into a new nation in a form that was not too powerful so that they wouldn't be an issue later. But deGaulle put the kibosh on that idea, and made sure that as France was liberated, it came under Free French control right away. you are damn right it was about saving fact, but it was also about saving France. And deGaulle did it.
@nuancolar7304
@nuancolar7304 4 жыл бұрын
@@captainzorikh I’m sure you would agree that it’s never a good idea to take too fast a run through the facts. Let us slow down and consider the following: Few would deny DeGaulle’s love of country, and history demonstrates his willingness to take up arms against France’s enemy. And yet, DeGaulle had no real chance of standing up against the Third Reich in 1940, as France was overmatched both in military capability and also a new and effective method of waging war. Most military leaders in France foolishly relied on the Maginot Line, thinking they could defend against the Panzer assault of the Germans. DeGaulle had some of the better ideas, but France was just not prepared to come along with him. He was betrayed by others in the French government, such as Petain, who signed an armistice with Germany while DeGaulle was overseas seeking military support. DeGaulle was a military man, and as such he had a good knowledge of military strategy and tactics, but that was not enough to withstand the German assault. To his credit, DeGaulle’s unit put up an appreciable fight in 1940 before being put down. He tried to persuade others in France’s government that the future of warfare was not to dig in and play defense, but to mobilize and strike hard at one’s enemy. Ironically, France was defeated by Germany using precisely this method. DeGaulle’s weakness was his chutzpah. He was a self-centered, arrogant man who consistently overplayed his worth. So much so that he came off to others as being potentially unstable and gained the trust of very few, not even Churchill and Roosevelt. Once during a meeting with Roosevelt, the secret service kept their machine guns at the ready while keeping a constant eye on DeGaulle, not sure what he might do. He was thought of that way. After DeGaulle fled France…and yes, he did flee or he would have ended up in a German POW camp, or worse…his sole aim was to position France as having a seat at the table when the war was won. France was granted that position, but DeGaulle did not achieve this - he was given this. The Allies “allowed” DeGaulle to keep his pride, speak as a victor, and take part in the war’s end….in spite of him having little to do with the outcome. His sense of superiority was entirely self-spun and completely false. In fact, he was more tolerated than respected. Many years after World War II , he attended the funeral of JFK and was unhappy to find that his seat was to be on the eighth row. He violated all protocol, not to mention upsetting family members who were more deserving of those seats, when he marched arrogantly to the front row and sat down.
@dashcan8479
@dashcan8479 3 жыл бұрын
Monty was totally disrespected by CDN troops. My father was there and told me that. Canadians did not want to fight under a British commander and become cannon fodder
@rangergxi
@rangergxi 3 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was a competent officer. He was the guy who recognized the fault in the French defenses and tried to bring attention to them. He knew the Germans could cross the Sedan in a few hours. He was also brave enough to never surrender. Thats worth something.
@michelmendoza1769
@michelmendoza1769 2 ай бұрын
It was Degaulle!s insistence on entering Paris cost additional American lives just like MacArthur’s insistence on the Philippines cost Marine lives for airfields that were not a factor in his invasion of the Philippines
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 7 күн бұрын
But MacArther was an American general and DeGaulle was an exile Frenchman.
@ElMaestroGordo
@ElMaestroGordo 10 жыл бұрын
I Like Ike! I think one of the main reasons Eisenhower got the job was that he was popular and everyone liked him in the rank and file; & he had to be as much diplomat and ambassador as a soldier. There was so much posturing & preening military machismo to smooth over if there was to be cohesion in such an unprecedentedly multi-national/multilingual force. There was no guide in history for what Ike was doing in WW2. I sometimes think Ike could have run & won for POTUS in the 1950s if he'd waltzed into Washington on a Communist Party ticket!! ;-) K.B.O.! :-)
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
It was the greatest time in America when Ike was president and he then warned us about the military industrial complex that needed to be done away with. But they killed Kennedy and here we are, with a hand full of nuts in Washington.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Henderson I know one thing he had more power than any president I’ve ever heard of. I mean the CIA would have never pushed him around like they did Kennedy. Ike warned us about the military industrial complex too.!
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Henderson Who Kennedy? They killed I believe. Ike said the military industrial complex that had been created during ww2 was out of control and growing way to much and would insist on being fed, and fed by wars. Ike was not a war monger he was an administrator and that’s why he was so successful. Patton and others would have just kept on fighting, lol. Kennedy also had made some stark discoveries during the Cuban Missile Crisis that changed his way of thinking. Did you know that general Curtis LeMay actually wanted to hit Russia with a first strike? They were crazy. The MIC wanted a ground war in Vietnam and pushed Kennedy to do that under the guise of watching China and communists. But everyone knew a ground war there was impossible including Kennedy. Truman Fired Mcarthur Because he wanted to bomb China with an atomic bomb.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Henderson He was extremely good at it and that’s how he realized how out of control it was.
@nicholasiadevaio3854
@nicholasiadevaio3854 Жыл бұрын
@@ronniebishop2496 I would add the media to that complex.
@ElmoUnk1953
@ElmoUnk1953 2 жыл бұрын
I think Bull Meachum, aka The Great Santini said it best about DeGaulle, “God, how can you let so many jerks occupy the earth at the same time!” 🤣😂🤣
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@vardiss22 The film is going by what Eisenhower's impression of Monty was, according to Eisenhower's own accounts. (He did write about it after the war.) Montgomery was a proud man. He was a man of the old guard, a typical soldier of the British Empire who expected men to follow, him to lead, no-questions-asked and discipline above all else. CONTINUED
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
And he was a moral man too. But he just couldn’t be a supreme commander, he was to arrogant just like Patton.
@outerheavenorphan4953
@outerheavenorphan4953 2 жыл бұрын
I can see where GW jr. Took his inspiration in forming of 21st century coalition of the willing against imminent danger of Hussains axis of evil.
@whatis252264
@whatis252264 13 жыл бұрын
@chidoriookami Sorry, Napoleon Bonaparte was a Corsican. The other two were Charlemagne (Frankish) and Jeanne d'Arc, I think. I am recalling this quote from memory, and I think the fellow who said it did not explain, but left it to his audience to infer whom he meant based on popular opinion.
@canuck_gamer3359
@canuck_gamer3359 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this film and was quite surprised it wasn't more well received. I have often thought and wondered how much better would this film have been had they made it ten years later. Selleck would have made a much better Ike, even though his performance was terrific was it was. One complaint though, I thought it was just plain stupid to portray Ike as being able to tolerate so many impossibilities, DeGaulle practically spitting in his face etc and yet he finally breaks down and gets upset with the weather man??? Come on, give me a break.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@jimbopumbapigsticks Winston grew up in a world in which he was raised to see the British Raj as a jewel in the crown, where a man was the head of society, and where colonies should be thankful for Britain civilizing them. He would have had zero chance to see another side of the story at his station in life..... But when war came he did swallow his pride and ask for help when it was sorely needed. CONTINUED
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 13 жыл бұрын
@hashimirasama It was filmed in 2003, after all. That year, bashing the French was extremely fashionable. Freedom Fries... heh... the sheer stupidity of the gesture was astounding.
@TheBatugan77
@TheBatugan77 3 жыл бұрын
When is bashing French NOT extremely fashionable?
@antonbruce1241
@antonbruce1241 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBatugan77 And why the Hell not bash the French? They spend an awful lot of time bashing the U.S.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 7 күн бұрын
I understand DeGaulle was in exile in London? I think he’d have to find other providers after that show of arrogance.
@KnightOwl2006
@KnightOwl2006 13 жыл бұрын
I hope Stagg got a promotion after all that.
@antonbruce1241
@antonbruce1241 3 жыл бұрын
Group Commander Stagg received an appointment as an Officer of the U.S. Legion or Merit (and he got the medal that goes with that) and was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (and the medal that goes with that) as well. After the war, he left the armed services, and eventually went on to be the President of the Royal Meteorological Society. He died on June 6th, 2019 - the 75th anniversary of the D-Day invasion. Besides being portrayed by Christopher James Baker in this film, Stagg was portrayed by Patrick Barr in the 1962 film "The Longest Day", David Haig in his own 2014 play "Pressure", and Steven Cree in 2017's "Churchill". And I have WAY TOO MUCH trivia crammed in my head that I would know all of this.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@jimbopumbapigsticks Winston Churchill managed to broker agreements with Canada and the U.S. for food and munitions, even with the latter's reluctance to get involved at all. He also reached out a hand to what, traditionally, had been a rival: France, and provided a space in this world for Resistance fighters and his own government to share intelligence once France fell, not to mention a place of refuge for those fleeing the Vichy regime.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 13 күн бұрын
I’m afraid I would have had DeGaulle arrested
@JohnJ-fj2xe
@JohnJ-fj2xe 3 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle will never be dead enough. He was an arrogant prick who believed he was infallible.
@Sierra688
@Sierra688 13 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle was a typical Frenchman: try to do him a favor and he mocks you for it.
@bibbler9
@bibbler9 11 жыл бұрын
Well I am pretty sure that Patton said something close to this, I didn't steal anything, just paraphrasing Patton.
@pop5678eye
@pop5678eye 2 жыл бұрын
To all the knee-jerk French-haters: the UK and the USA should thank them for acting as a buffer and tying down significant German police, military and intelligence resources in the West with their nonstop resistance. Heck, look up just Dunkirk at the beginning of the war where the British fled and were saved at the cost of French soldiers holding out to protect them, so that Britain could live to fight another day. On D-day the British, US and Canadian forces could not have continued to expand their beachheads without significant support from the French. While Eisenhower was the Allied Supreme Commander he never subjected Britain to the indignity of making commands about their internal affairs or pretending to speak for them. It would have been an unforgivable insult to treat the French as less of an ally. De Gaulle was abrasive, but if you looked into real biographies so was Churchill. Yet both men held high the spirit of resistance in their respective countries. If anything Churchill had it much easier since the sea protected the UK from downright occupation.
@Juan.Blanco
@Juan.Blanco 2 жыл бұрын
Well, there was no british government allied with the germans.. so there's that
@justonecornetto80
@justonecornetto80 2 жыл бұрын
Complete nonsense! Firstly, Dunkirk only happened because of the gross incompetence of the French high command who were in overall command of the defence of their country. Over the objections of the commander of the British Expeditionary Force Lord Gort, they chose not to reinforce the Ardennes because in their opinion it was impassable for tanks. They then retired to their chateaus to drink wine connected to the front only by a WWI era communications system, so you can imagine how much of a shock it was for them when they discovered that they were the last to know that Heinz Guderian had rolled through the Ardennes with the cream of the German panzer corps with a sickle cut manoeuvre that threatened to trap the BEF in Belgium. What made things worse was that the sector commander General Gaston Billotte, on seeing his lines crumbling choked and then locked himself in his quarters for 8 days refusing to issue orders. Gort had no option but to retreat or the BEF would have been torn to pieces but he lacked the authority to order a general retreat so he contacted London who sent the Chief of the General Staff Edmund Ironside to France where he found Billotte in his quarters crying like a little girl. Enraged at his cowardice, Ironside lifted him out of his chair and shook him like a rag doll before assuming command. He then ordered a counter attack but by this time the situation was irretrievable however the counter attack bought enough time for the BEF to get to Dunkirk where 340000 troops were evacuated, many by British civilians who had sailed across the English channel under fire from the Luftwaffe. 120000 of those troops were French. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't just the French who provided the rear guard at Dunkirk as 20000 British troops remained behind and fought until they ran out of ammunition. Some of them were executed by the SS after they surrendered. The BEF lost 68000 men and all of its heavy equipment defending France. Dunkirk was necessary because defeatism had gripped the French high command and Churchill concluded that if they were not prepared to defend France, why should the British? This is why he refused to commit the full strength of the RAF to the Battle of France. He knew it would be needed for the Battle of Britain where as it happened, Hitler suffered his first defeat! Eisenhower had no authority to make to "make commands" about British internal affairs. Churchill would have had him relieved if he had like he did with Joe Kennedy when he started running his mouth off. FDR knew the war couldn't be won without the British and that goes for the Far East as well where they annihilated two Japanese armies in Burma. As for D-Day, Juno and Gold were the only beaches to be linked on the first day. The only allied objective besides actually getting ashore that was achieved. Your assertion that the French were required to expand the British/Canadian beach head is complete nonsense. It was the British and Canadians who tied down Rommel's tiger tanks at Caen en route to wipe out US Shermans moving out of Cherbourg. The Free French army were nowhere and all the resistance were doing were doing were blowing up railway lines and taking potshots at German soldiers. How you've come to the conclusion that their help was "significant", I have no idea! While on the subject of the French resistance, you may want to look up on how it came to be. It didn't exist until British Special Operations Executive agents were infiltrated into France in 1941 as part of Churchill's plan to "set Europe ablaze". Even then it was riddled with Gestapo informants who gave up hundreds of allied agents that were later tortured and executed. The French resistance has been mythologised by the French nation to obscure the shameful levels of collaboration between it and its German occupier. Just do a little research into how the French railway system enthusiastically co-operated with the SS in shipping hundreds of thousands of people to extermination camps and you'll get the idea. With regard to Churchill "having it easier", nothing could be further from the truth. He not only had the combined resources of occupied Europe ranged against him but after 1941 had to stretch the line even further to keep the Soviets in the war by stripping the defences of Malaya, Singapore and India so the equipment could be sent to the Red army. This left them wide open to Japanese invasion leading to the largest defeat in British military history. Also, being an island left Britain vulnerable to a naval blockade which almost left it on the verge of starvation. To relieve this the British merchant marine suffered horrific casualties transporting food and other supplies across the Atlantic. Then Churchill had to make the agonising decisions to sink the French fleet at Mers-El-Kebir to prevent it from falling into German hands and whether to feed the army or civilians when a cyclone wiped out the rice crop in Bengal triggering a famine that cost the lives of 2 million people. Did any French leader have this burden? No, they did not. De Gualle merely accepted British protection while making lofty radio broadcasts as he picked off any potential rivals to his leadership until he had the cheek to strut along the Champs-Elysees stating that "Paris had liberated itself!". The man was a pompous arrogant narcissist who was hated by many of his own people which is why he was targeted for assassination on several occasions. The French had no right to be treated as equals. For the most part they were cowards and collaborators.
@thevillaaston7811
@thevillaaston7811 Жыл бұрын
'Heck, look up just Dunkirk at the beginning of the war where the British fled and were saved at the cost of French soldiers holding out to protect them, so that Britain could live to fight another day.' At Dunkirk, 110,000 French troops were saved, mainly by British ships. Part of them on last day, which was entirely given over to saving French troops. If anybody fled, it was the French armies in front German onslaught.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 13 күн бұрын
Can you believe that DeGaulle.?
@adriaanpretorius3411
@adriaanpretorius3411 3 жыл бұрын
Is that Tom Selleck from Magnum!
@PUgrad05
@PUgrad05 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@broadjumper1
@broadjumper1 14 жыл бұрын
@vardiss22 - deGaulle was 6'4", Eisenhower was 5'11" Selleck is 6'4" But as this was an American made film, it's not likely that they'd want to cast a taller actor to play against him, or that they'd been that concerned over minor historical points.
@danilorainone406
@danilorainone406 3 жыл бұрын
anyone point to ikes written or anything recount of his dealings with le grand charles? Ike ought to have ordered excavation of all american graves, and all brought home,either as supreme cdr or president
@1236612
@1236612 13 жыл бұрын
DeGaul was difficult for the Allies to work with; however, I must admire his strength and efforts for the people of his country. I wish we had an American president who displayed the same focus for his nation.
@tomsurber2293
@tomsurber2293 3 жыл бұрын
The scene with De Gaulle makes me wonder how grateful Germany must be that the allies kicked them out of France so they no longer have to deal with the Froggie's misguided, embarrassing and unsubstantiated arrogance.
@canuck_gamer3359
@canuck_gamer3359 3 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that Keitel was incredulous at the fact France was present at the surrender signing. No bloody wonder!
@tomsurber2293
@tomsurber2293 3 жыл бұрын
@@canuck_gamer3359 I never knew I could agree with Keitel on anything. LOL!
@brohan914
@brohan914 12 жыл бұрын
how the hell did the French get treated as an allied power after the war? on the same level as the US, UK, USSR etc...
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the Germans laughed their asses off about that, but I think just to keep from arguing with that crazy DeGaulle, and insult the Nazis some more.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 жыл бұрын
Joseph Henderson The way that DeGalle acted with Ike I wouldn’t let them do anything, in fact I might have punched him in the face.
@andym9571
@andym9571 2 жыл бұрын
Politics
@frederickbuchanan9438
@frederickbuchanan9438 2 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t the Big Three go with LeClerc instead of DeGaulle?
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 13 жыл бұрын
@bibbler9 Are you sure Patton would have come out on top? De Gaulle was a trained soldier, too.
@captainzorikh
@captainzorikh 4 жыл бұрын
We escaped from German prison camps more than once during WWI and let the most successful attacks against the Germans in 1940.
@TeamKuukiFoodGames
@TeamKuukiFoodGames 13 жыл бұрын
@whatis252264 napoleon is one! he was born in an island off of france ^^ and lets see...uhm, idk who the other two are xD
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@jimbopumbapigsticks Churchill worked like an animal behind the scenes to see to it that his country got the very best and even managed to work with Stalin, telling him to stay the course in Stalingrad and the Eastern Front. He respected the abilities of all generals under Allied Command and recognized their talents: he probably saw Eisenhower as a great administrator, Marshall as a great chess player, (continued, sorry, but you got me going!!)
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
Well that’s why they’re called Great Britain, they were a great Empire and helped a lot of heathens.
@mrorange101
@mrorange101 13 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle wanted to be the sole liberator of france t was his own ego that stood in everyones way, Patton was bad and Montgomery no sait either but at least they understoof what was being done for the greater good. De Gaulle simply was being a pentulant child.
@captainzorikh
@captainzorikh 9 жыл бұрын
Several inacuracies here: 1) deGaulle was taller than Ike 2) deGaule was much younger than he appears here. 3) Technically, Vichy France was neutral and occupied, not allied with Germany, not like Italy. While there were Frenchmen who served in the German military on the Eastern Front (as there were of many other nations) Vichy troops proper never fought to defend anything other than French territory. They even scuttled their own ships in the harbor rather than let Germany take them. Besides, if deGaulle's Free France was the recognized government of the nation, then the nation of France was an Allied power, and whatever Vichy was was irrelevant. By recognizing deGaulle as such, then everything deGaulle says here is correct: his government has the right to issue currency and will decide on the he maintenance of local municipalities. There are several misinterpretations of France in WWI in the comments here. France held out for 6 weeks, longer than any other nation that Germany invaded. Yes, they had their own internal problems that prevented them from putting up a better defense, including anti-Semites, opportunists, defeatists, fascists, and collaborators, but as a nation, as a people, they were not boot-licking surrender monkeys. The Vichy government surrenderred to save their lives, their nation and their culture, and while occupied, the people had no idea how long the war would last. Meanwhile, deGaulle and those that followed him struck out on their own, knowing that their home government would call them traitors, to maintain pride and sovereignty, fight back, and keep from becoming a nation conquered by the Allies after having been occupied by the Germans.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
That still doesn’t explain his arrogant attitude towards America not only refusing to give a damn speech but all along, I’m sure everyone had the wrong idea about him, right?
@captainzorikh
@captainzorikh 4 жыл бұрын
@@ronniebishop2496 What are you talking about "refusing to give a speech?" DeGaulle was an arrogant dick, yes, but France needed an arrogant dick, because otherwise both the allies and the Germans would walk all over them.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
captainzorikh The Germans did walk all over them and went through them like crap through a goose are you kidding? The German snickered at the French even being at the surrender. Giving that speech had nothing to do with allies walking all over him at all.
@captainzorikh
@captainzorikh 4 жыл бұрын
@@ronniebishop2496 And was deGaule in charge then? No. France did not have an arrogant dick at the time. So deGaulle stepped up when no one else would and led the fight against them, and the Free French started kicking German butt. Now, what is this speech you keep talking about?
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
captainzorikh The speech Ike asked him to deliver to the French on the eve of the evasion. That’s what this entire scene is about! You didn’t see it? Look you obviously know more about him than Churchill, Ike and Roosevelt but I don’t think so. They were all arrogant dick that doesn’t explain anything! But to jeopardize the entire invasion because of his embarrassment and arrogance is absurd.
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 3 жыл бұрын
If this scene was true Ike should have gone into Germany another direction and left the Germans in France.
@bobkrause6114
@bobkrause6114 3 ай бұрын
Nonsense! Your view is amateur and ridiculous. Stay in school, kids.
@dominicksforza3484
@dominicksforza3484 3 жыл бұрын
It's amusing that France, if not the WEAKEST country of all the allies has the stones to disrespect Ike right before liberating of his own country. A smack to Degauls ignorant, arrogant and pompous mug by Ike would've been totally understandable.
@brandonangstman
@brandonangstman 3 жыл бұрын
De Gaul wasn t as bad as he's portrayed here, he was an arse but he did agree to most of the plan for d-day. Mainly he just objected to France being occupied after it was liberated and he had concerns about resistance cells being destroyed if the invasion failed, he also felt that the exiled French should have had more input into the planning. I think he felt that since it was his country being stormed he as it's representative should have been counciled more and treated as equals, it's understandable when you consider a lot of the intel used to plan d-day came from French resistance members, many of whom died to pass the info on.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 5 күн бұрын
I noticed the British didn’t bother to come to attention at all. 😅😅😅😅😅haha I just wouldn’t have the patience to deal with that French thing! At all.
@bibbler9
@bibbler9 14 жыл бұрын
I think it was Patton that said, "I'd rather have a German division in front of me, than a French one behind me." Another Patton French dis. "France has neither winter nor summer nor morals." You think that Patton would have loved to be in a room alone with de Gaulle for five minutes?
@WingZeroAlpha
@WingZeroAlpha 12 жыл бұрын
LBJ was a scumbag himself, but even he had his moments in the sun. Either way, I would have loved to have been in the room when that question was thrown at De Gaulle.
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 14 жыл бұрын
@TheLostIdea Thats a pretty one-sided argument. Roosevelt and Churchill weren't angels themselves in this mess.
@whatis252264
@whatis252264 13 жыл бұрын
Poor deGaulle just suffered from an inferiority complex of sorts. Someone once pointed out that, of the three greatest military leaders in all of French history, two weren't French, and one wasn't a man. I don't think deGaulle was any of the three. (Can you guess who they were?)
@punch6832
@punch6832 3 жыл бұрын
Napoleon Joan d’Arc Lafayette ???
@404Dannyboy
@404Dannyboy 3 жыл бұрын
@@punch6832 Charlemagne maybe.
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 14 жыл бұрын
@shadowkitty56 You hate De Gaulle. I think we get it.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
Yes yes we do.
@antonbruce1241
@antonbruce1241 3 жыл бұрын
DeGaulle was a very easy man to hate. Most everyone he ever met did.
@oneofspades
@oneofspades 3 жыл бұрын
You thought Monty was a prima donna.
@antonbruce1241
@antonbruce1241 3 жыл бұрын
Monty WAS a prima donna, but at least he knew who the boss was. De Gaulle was just an arrogant ass. Maybe Ike should have reminded him of who it was in 1940 who surrendered.
@LBF522
@LBF522 3 жыл бұрын
@@antonbruce1241 I agree.
@jimbopumbapigsticks
@jimbopumbapigsticks 14 жыл бұрын
@shadowkitty56 Well, he wasn't the easiest person to like. But it's wrong to paint him as anti-British or anti-American, just pro-French. And he actually approved of the D-Day plan and said it was well-conceived and executed.
@jimbopumbapigsticks
@jimbopumbapigsticks 14 жыл бұрын
This is the only part of the movie I don't like. Turning de Gaulle into an obstructive anti-American snob is a gross misrepresentation and not good history at all. It's a pity the film-makers pandered to anti-French sentiment in the US.
@musicaenlaniebla
@musicaenlaniebla 14 жыл бұрын
needlenoize, hello again. It is interesting to compare biopics. Again I recommend "Le Grand Charles". Also "Last days of Patton", with George C. Scott. In "Ike: Countdown to D-Day", De Gaulle is shown almost like a conspirator against the Allies. But De Gaulle was against Vichy, & he ought to speak aloud in behalf of the contribution of the Resistance & Free France forces, that included the french colonies. Thanks again.
@Grifiki
@Grifiki 12 жыл бұрын
`Yes DeGalle, with everything to lose, talking to a Yank with nothing to lose. Then you have Monte, with his ego to lose. That`s why no high rank`s won anything, really. While NCO`s and every sprog did. It`s always the same, no matter how much you plan it`s still left to the next four hours!
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 13 жыл бұрын
@Sierra688 Yes, and you have many personal French friends to vouch for that? Or is it the usual francophobia talking?
@ChrisGWGreen
@ChrisGWGreen 2 жыл бұрын
The Allies should have invaded Belgium.
@nikemac84
@nikemac84 12 жыл бұрын
Where's Al Roker when you need him?????????
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@vardiss22 The movie I think does a serviceable job of making this point without being pedantic- this is NOT a documentary. Furthermore, you missed a little detail in history: MONTY could just have easily been Supreme Commander. He had a lot more experience than Eisenhower. Monty got passed over by both Churchill and Roosevelt. And that must not have sat well with the old goat.
@mikecaramehas3521
@mikecaramehas3521 4 жыл бұрын
De Gaulle should have threatened to station Russian troops on French soil.
@allengreene9954
@allengreene9954 Жыл бұрын
The Russians didn’t like De Gaulle either and felt they was weak.
@shadowkitty56
@shadowkitty56 14 жыл бұрын
@jimbopumbapigsticks Churchill wasn't the easiest man to like, either. Winston Churchill had a habit of driving all the people he loved insane and those he worked with he drove up the wall. Winston had absolutely no idea how real people lived and in certain historical situations that happened in other parts of his political career (the suffragettes, the Irish Civil War, India) demonstrated he was well out of his depth.
@Ares99999
@Ares99999 13 жыл бұрын
@TheLostIdea France refused to fight in 1940? Nice. You just insulted the memory of every French soldier who died fighting as hard as they could despite their high command's lack of common sense. How...big... you must feel.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the French Underground did great but it’s the leaders that show how ridiculous DeGaulle was. But the French have insulted us forever and thus was the worst.
@matthewemery4205
@matthewemery4205 3 жыл бұрын
f in french fight like girls
@kiplingwasafurry1108
@kiplingwasafurry1108 2 жыл бұрын
I know de Gaulle was arrogant and hard to work with but oh my God this movie portrays him so badly and is completely inaccurate. I liked this movie but Valiant 2005 does a better portrayal of the French.
@kevinclarkson7036
@kevinclarkson7036 3 жыл бұрын
What an excruciating pile of shit. The characterisations bear no resemblance to the actual participants and the script is dire as are the sets and art direction.
@jeffreylasky2737
@jeffreylasky2737 3 жыл бұрын
Yet another reason to dislike the French.
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