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I do that all the time 😂 There have been so many seasons of drag race it’s hard to align the queen with their season sometimes

I was just about to comment this

This is the lewk.

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Haha thanks for pointing this out😆😆

I want to give this comment a thumbs up but there are currently 69 so I'ma leave it that way. 😀

Darby is Bette, Chan is Sarah, and I’m sorry but Alexis is Kathy najimi

@@chaitea3421 why would you be sorry she’s amazing

I’m getting very Myrtle Snow from Alexis in this look and I’m living for it!

@@johomoswitness I mean obviously lol that’s what she’s doing lol

Omg can y’all please do thatt haha

Only now reading your comment I notice the bottle reads 'crotch cover wine' and it al makes sense😂

I heard the same thing. Also their Country and Belgium too is so small they could have just driven to location several times to bring their stuff.

Okay. That whole comedy ass GOLD banter about madam madness with all the cowpens and then Darby says butter. I fucking dieeed.

I think the problem is producers trying to push the same activities we see in USA drag race onto other countries where those things are not part of their drag culture at all. Drag is different everywhere, why do they always have to copy USA? For exemple, in Thailand most of the girls had daytime jobs and did not lipsync for a living, why make them do that? Like, think of something else lol

Agreed! That’s what I was conveying in my post as well. I’m not Egyptian but I’ve worn their clothes when I’ve traveled there. Just because you wear clothes or style hair that has been popularized in another country doesn’t mean you can’t do it. We have the free will to do it and it’s just self expression and enjoying other cultures. When you’re making fun of another culture that’s different. We also all have some different cultural influences in the things we do - it’s not just coming from the country we’re from. Everything doesn’t have to be offensive lol

@@MrSosurreal Yeah, exactly. To me it's all about whether or not you're misrepresenting something/someone or reinforcing a stereotype. To bring it back to Ma'ma Queen's look, the only way I could see it being offensive is if you look at it in the context of associating the hairstyle with weed. But at the same time, since she's selling it as something high fashion, it in a way elevates both of those things, which imo fights negative stereotypes rather than supports them. Anyway, tl;dr the point is this isn't a black-or-white subject, and we shouldn't treat all cultural exchange as appropriation.

@@baileyduryea3168 Exactly. And even though I'm not from Jamaica - speaking as someone who is mixed with Jamaican I feel like it would have to be much more exaggerative and ridiculous to find this offensive. Mama would have literally had to darken her skin, made impressions of Bob Marley, and had a bunch of stuff on that wasn't authentic to her. When I saw this white guy with dreads in Amsterdam I assumed he played in a rock band or was artistic but I didn't immediately tie it to blackness or stereotypes of Bob Marley etc. I also think they made it seem like she didn't deserve the win because of it - and I love IMHO don't get me wrong but it was definitely a full look even if it wasn't someone's cup of tea. And I agree things aren't so black and white and I get people try to speak up for "people of color" but it also lends itself to again not everyone thinks the same even if they're of the same race and not everything is so offensive. I think she had a good look.

popularised in the 90s. Big difference.

Well yes. I should have specified I meant here in the UK

The association of dreadlocks and marihuana is not a stereotype. Both are symbols of the rastafari religión/culture. A Lot of white and black people wears dreadlocks because they like it, and others for culture/religion..

Yeah the world got so sensitive nowadays. And there is a big difference between the US and the Netherlands, we aren't as sensitive here

are you trying to make me die of alcohol poisoning

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Yeah, in a US context they do, but braids are a Dutch thing. Dreads, OK, I get that. But really, braids?

Dreadlocks by themselves aren't cultural appropriation. They were typical in many cultures, including Greek, Polish, Buddhist and Hindu; dreadlocks *with* the marijuana motif is distinctly Rastafarian and much more problematic.

the utilization of dreadlocks and marihuana from rastafarian was taken from "hindú" culture, and are part of a religous vow. Ra

If youre wearing it because its part of your culture and youre not wearing to make fun of it, then that seems pretty irrelevant tbh. Sederginne did a whole performance mocking asian culture.

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Oh there's nothing wrong with the dreadlocks. Dreadlocks have a long and varied history with people all over the world.

I'm black i say wear your hair how you want you have black girls walking around with blonde hair bone straight hair and blue contacts

Of course your opinion matters

vrouwen means women btw ;)

I mean she still wore it..

Still wasn't a problem. Dreads aren't limited to one culture, and mariuana IS a big part of Dutch culture so it made perfect sense for them to wear that. It's a little bit ironic when Americans start to culture police other cultures.

@@andreweirthug2588 @andrew eirthug Abby as a brazilian person with Áfrican heritage has the same right to say a friend that she feel ok that a white uses locks, as a african-"american" to say a friend that he does not thinks it is ok that a white person wears dreads. For me as a mixed non-american person, locks are never cultural apropiation. In any case, I would think about it if MY AFRICAN or african-descent friends say me something about it, but they feels like Abby, not like darby's afro-"american" friends.. I act according to the feelings of my people in my non-highly segregated country and culture, not according to what Darby's friend thinks in one of the most segregated countries in the world.

I absolutely agree with you. Obsession with pollitical correctness may blind you from seeing that something like dreadlocks is not actually specific to one culture, and therefore not appropriation. Making that assumption can leave you looking kinda ignorant.

You are totally right but Americans often have difficulty it seems seeing things not from their own angle, background etc so I'm not surprised at all

Yup they're totally placing American ideals and sensitivity into Dutch culture. And Mama Queen isn't the only time I saw them do it. It was done several times. I don't think Americans are the only ones that do this but it comes with not taking other cultures into context and casting a wide net.

@@BonzoVillegas So true and in this case it’s not even accurate. Dreads are actually part of Dutch culture, in our history the men used to do them both in their head hair and in their beards and the women in their head hair. Plus Dutch culture celebrates different cultures as we’ve always been a society based on multiple cultures, so it’s part of our culture to share the different cultures that are part of it.

Thats interesting because that comes from emulating Bob Marley who is...

@@yasmingoldberg596 you're right, and it's a perfect example of culture hybridation. Cultures have always been processes of hybridation and assimilation, and shouldnt be considered as a list of private possessions. Honestly, the whole debate about cultural appropriation is just the mirror of the problems of American society, and shouldnt be generalized.

Plus, it doesn't only belong to a single culture. Not to mention, they don't know these peoples backgrounds or cultures. They're just making assumptions and that's not always accurate.

@@yasmingoldberg596 rastafarian and jamaican

@@francesco2102 exactly, in fact this mamma specific dreadlocks hair style is from the jamaican rastafarian culture. And this culture is a hibridation of múltiple cultures, mainly from Ethiopía and Hindu..did the original rastafarian do cultural apropiation of Hindu culture?