From extreme silliness to profound. What a great interview.

I love Benjamin Boyce ! He really talks to the best ever . He allows and brings out the best !

Man, your podcast is such a fresh breath of air. No matter how scary or as troubling the subject matter may be.

I knew this was going to be good so I saved it for a moment when I could give my complete attention. Thank you Leslie, Jody, and Benjamin. Good stuff here.

It's so refreshing to hear people talking about serious things and making jokes in between. It's like real conversations ;)

I feel bolstered just knowing these types of people are out there. I love that they can laugh and have merriment despite the insidious underpinnings of the conversation. I’ve taken some small steps towards “coming out” as a red-pilled, right-leaning, AR-15 toting, TERFish, future homeschooler, trad-con wife to my friends and family. It’s scary because I want to maintain relationships with them but not at the cost of my integrity and fundamental values.

Thank you SO much to all three of you. Such a wonderful and wise and funny conversation between three beautiful minds!

I loved the internet hags and harpies part. It's nice seeing people laughing for real. Things are so grim and scary right now.

You had me at "When are the adults coming back into the room?" I have had that same thought for years!

Thank you for this. I do have friends and some family that understand or agree on the various issues and insanities that have taken over our world. What I lack is anyone to converse with on these issues in a deep or meaningful way. People that I once trusted as reasonable have gone woke and seemingly lost the ability to think critically. It's been a lonely few years. So I thank you for introducing me to these wonderful women and the possibility they offer

Love these two gals. Great stuff goin on. I'm beginning (in fits and starts) starting to have hope... PS: Here's a perspective. You see a Rainbow flag, or say BLM sign, don't think Rue Paul, or say Lizzo, think Claus Schwab and the Davos Gang. This whole revolution is top down deal... fugghedaboudit !

I had a similar experience as Leslie of reconciling myself with the universe after a really hard time in my life. I'm glad she shared her story! Dealing with loss and sorrow, as hard as that is, changes your perception.

Unnerving, my one and only spiritual experience was similar in many ways to the one Lesley described

Love Leslie's description of her spiritual experience ❤

This was excellent, Benjamin. Thank you, man. And of course, thanks Jodi and Leslie ... A wise time-traveler told me that thankfully, this epoch of the Identity Totalitarians as a/the cognition control construct(s) does not last forever. Warm winds and keep on!

Jodi’s story about first watching Jordan Peterson was hilarious and very similar to mine, except I was on a commuter train. I kept my iphone close to my chest and couldn’t shake the sense I was about to get in trouble.

Yes, the power to be able to say things out loud. And the power of being together with others who are going through the same thing. I experienced the same sense of relief and invigoration when I joined an online peer-support group of parents of trans-identified kids . . .

Such an incredibly insightful conversation. Exceptional guests

Wonderful. Thanks once again Benjamin.

Oh Leslie , oh yes ...

Something that has gone hand in hand with the degradation of the interpersonal is how "erotic" has become increasingly synonymous with "pornographic". There should be a big difference in the expectations these words evoke.

I cracked up at "roman shower"🤣 Thank you for this calmversation. So great to laugh at the absurdity of it all!

Beauty = form and function. As Stein said. A rose is a rose is a rose Universal truth

Jodi is the best. She's simultaneously a badass and the sweetest person ever.

Boyce n girls !! JO-DEE !!!

Good to see serious academics get the giggles.

This was awesome. Peeps should check out Jodi’s interview on American Thought Leaders.

The fractal comment caught me off-guard, because in many ways, language has the qualities of a fractal, even just technically speaking if you look at how words get strung together. I've wondered how that might affect the way language shapes or might reflect our thinking in a more general sense, over time. Piattelli-Palmarini at U Arizona is the guy who pointed this stuff out for me.

Thank you 🙏

45:00 laughing and mocking are 2 of the best tactics.

Jordan Peterson the "centrist fold". Benjamin, don't tease - if there's an IDW swimsuit calendar or something in the works, the people must be made aware and allowed to start preordering. I'm sure it would be tasteful, sensual, memorable, etc.

O Leslie is so sweet i am compelled to look away for fear of being engulfed by her strength and beauty, any how in the age of Aquarius a Goddess demands the castrated men serve its power beneath the power where the ego resides. Jodi is on the ball with it is for the good women to rise in creative endeavors and so communicate a light and way to be.

30:10 This comment, Benjamin is so funny and apt in a gen x way. Wonderful

Leslie Elliott is beautiful 😍

awwwww...I love that you always show your cats

The people that need convincing or need to make them aware are the kind of people that are the incredulous. They look but they don't see and they're not really aware. They're kind of sensing that there's something wrong but they don't really care enough to be bothered with it. These kind of people are just lazy thinkers. They are lazy of mine and lazy a body. The trick is how can we motivate these kinds of incredulous individuals into action. Yes it's true you can't make people care but how can you make them aware enough to ask questions and maybe motivate them to care enough to disseminate the information between friends and family. There has to be some sort of ubiquity or universality in order to motivate the incredulous individuals into action if it's not ubiquitous enough then people will not care enough to do anything about it. People like Judy and Leslie have the energy and gumption to put their thought into action, unfortunately not everyone are like this.

This was a great conversation....thank you.

After a while they will a good data set of the types of problems people are running into, and what helps. You should have them back on

Jodi and Leslie - your views on relationship, to self (inc future self) and to others are really well articulated. Expressing the fundamental substrate of connection and relationship to all things - I think this is the origins of what we experience as beauty. Brilliant interview.

I would love to join their peer support group to be able to discuss the extreme nepotism and racism I experienced working at a university in San Francisco for almost a decade. But I don’t want these $5 monthly payments showing up on my credit card card as my husband doesn’t get it

Please note: A high percentage of academic workers (instructors, those who actually teach) are contingent adjuncts and not at all "elites" in terms of income or job security.

"Internet hags and harpers"

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Benjamin with the Celebrity Deathmatch joke, "The Al-Gorithm"

Cult Dynamics and post-cult strategies for recovery would be helpful.....

Waking up from wokeness.

Leslie blushed bigtime at 45:00

your cats are ridiculously cute 🥰🥰

1:02:00 women are keepers of the culture

Leslie is so pretty [/simp]

I am a lone ranger who accidently has found the truth of the NT, I fly solo against all establishment in the religion of Abraham. People have vested and invested interests in a collective wisdom, so "what can I do?", is the question. I am going to rely on a better logic of argument that can break down the defensive wall of saving grace on the Cross, and realising they will actually be judged as they die. Though I am drafting a book on 'hereafter' teaching I was convinced in my conscience to make a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity', as a so-called Christian myself I am liken to an ex-Woke questioning the Virtue Signal. In Wokism the Virtue Signal is salvation, like the Cross in Christianity, both WOKE and Christianity use 'aunt sally' arguments, or 'gaslighting' to capture the minds of those who are the MEEK.

59:00 Leslie!

Mr. Benjamin is the _true_ 🥷🐈. Makes The Kitty jealous😿

"There are bo warriors until you get out of that loop." But why would you be vulnerable to that mental loop? i've heard a sort of death by many cuts theory of child abuse. Somebody's examples included making a child sit on granny's lap when he didn't want to because of her bad breath. I.e., asserting your freedom of association, for reasons you needn't give, is part of basic autonomy. Overpowering that prerogative was asserted to be one setup for abuse. Overpowering it for the benefit of strangers I'll just flatly call wreckless & malicious grooming. And how else do u do that to children apart from shame, guilt trips, coercion? Demanding of you that you submit to another's choice of associations is degrading to you. Accepting it involves accepting that you're not worth boundaries of your own choice. Well, exactly that was done to whites, by category, in the '60s & '70s and in perpetuity thereafter. Could that explain a "perpetual mental loop" among adults like Jodi? I'm not even asking. QED. What I'd leave open is how many involved would have to be character disordered ...

34:47 yes, it's just a euphemism for anti-white.

I don't always agree with using our intuitions as the basis for our ideas - because our intuitions can sometimes lead us badly astray. However - in today's world - where the academy, media, institutions, government, ..., betray us so badly - we are better off trusting our intuition ahead of many of the so called 'experts'. I personally - still trust the evidence; and - if anything - I distrust my intuition.

WOW...ya hate to judge people ya don't know, but jeez Louise...how do ya blow a chance with a dame like Leslie. Not my business...just sayin.

Roman Shower. Gagagaggah.

How can you cheat on a beautiful and wise woman like Leslie? 😵‍💫 I'm sorry, but that baffles me. The grass is always greener I guess... 🤷🏼‍♂

Benjamin, please for the love of god BURN THAT HAT!!!

TRUTH IS BEAUTY. It is seen as 'UGLY' because it makes the alternatives into a lie, but WOKISM is the alternative that suits every VICTIM, as they see themselves as they can't face the TRUTH.

eeeew 'first playboy' ? said to two women............ eeeeewwww (and so sly)

The word "woke" and all it's derivations is quite off-putting to me as someone on the left. I feel attacked lol. I will listen anyway tho.