India-US close in on jointly making top-line GE fighter engines: Stakes in quest on since Nehru era

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When PM Narendra Modi visits the US later this month, a ‘mega deal’ will be in the wings that could help India finally churn out fighter jet engines. What exactly does the deal mean for India? In Ep 1246 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta talks about the obsolete MiG-21 & Jaguar fleets India is looking to replace, and the country’s long struggle to make its own fighter engines - which dates back to the Nehru era.
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@navneet8269 Жыл бұрын

Jet engine Dil se SG itna ghabra Gaye ki conservation ki line hi change kar di fighter planes ke bare mein batane lag Gaye aur yah bhi ki Narsimha Rao Manmohan Singh Vajpayee aur Modi kaise hugging karte Hain SG deal hone par😢 SG deal cancel hone par😅

@skt1731 Жыл бұрын

Correction. Not just French make their own jet engines for Rafale, Mirage, etc. Britain's Rolls Royce also makes jet engines for Eurofighter and other English/European fighter jets. Chinese still don't have their own fully tested and reliable military jet engine, and therefore source all jet engines from Russia.

@nicpirate007 Жыл бұрын

Chinese have tested and integrated WS-15 engines to J-20 gen 5 fighters, which are already deployed in Tibet. AMCA is still on paper. IAF is left with squadrons - 15 Su-30, 2 tejas, 3 mirage 2000, 4 MiG 29 = 24 squadrons along with 6 awacs and 6 MAR, IAF has hardly any punch for putting up a fight. This is alarming. Tejas MK2 and AMCA are all on paper still.

@navneet8269 Жыл бұрын

@@nicpirate007 thank you my dear Chinese expert ? We cannot find a single knowledgeable supporter in China like you ?

@samsam198011 Жыл бұрын

😂ARREY GUPTA U DID SAME KIND OF PROGRAM WHEN RAFALE DEAL WAS DONE U SAID FRANCE WILL HELP INDIA IN ENGINE AS IT WAS PART OF RAFALE DEAL OFFSET DEAL AND ANIL AMBANI WAS PARTNERED 😂ARREY GUPTA ITNA SOFTLY MAT CHATAOO 😂😂

@SSCheema Жыл бұрын

A Trivia: though I am not from Airforce - I did a course with the Airforce way back in 2001. We had some Jaguar pilots along in the course and one of the jokes floating around about Jaguar Fighter aircraft was - how does a Jaguar aircraft get airborne? the reply was - it keeps going in a straight line and gets airborne because the earth is round. I do not know how many will get the gist of the joke but spoke volumes about how underpowered the aircraft was way back then - and it is already been 22 years since...

@shubhamvyas8951 Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@subhajitsaha5668 5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@gunnergoodman1441 Жыл бұрын

A very good news, those engines are a godsend for our fighters!!

@vatsalsingh1555 Жыл бұрын

Yeah true but india ha to invest billion $ in propulsion technology and i mean propulsion from gas turbine in warships to integrated electric propulsion to turbofan with over 120-130 kn engine.

@iotasymbol8498 Жыл бұрын

@@vatsalsingh1555 are bhai ek baar technology aane do uske baad sb ho jayega

@sushant632 Жыл бұрын

It is nearly impossible to achieve efficiency and the ability to manufacture our own defense equipment without involving private players in the defense industry. A country cannot be deemed secure unless it is capable of producing most of its defense weapons.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

I agree but your government is not ready to open up right now. There is some private companies India isn't ready to go down that road.

@ashutoshpandeyz4508 Жыл бұрын

We dont have Labs, we dont have industry and we dont have good phds, we are absolute beggers.

@micecollective7555 Жыл бұрын

@@ashutoshpandeyz4508 that's a bit pessimistic. India (or any other country) can't replicate and move ahead of the US even in the medium term, however a rising power like India and develop expertise in niche weapons, for asymmetric warfare. There is no shame in allying with the US and other democratic countries, against China. but you are correct in some ways, the technological gap between India and the West is growing. The West if way ahead of the "mighty" Russian, their technology is very dated.

@wigglyk2796 Жыл бұрын

Unless until the IAF guarantees orders, no private company is gonna invest that much jet engine R&D. Our procurement process is very bad, always favouring outdated DPSU's over private companies.

@psr4550 Жыл бұрын

@@ashutoshpandeyz4508 same thing ppls said for isro, despite the presence of ppl like u we will develop

@theelectricbrain97 Жыл бұрын

Just a small edit, the GE F414 while advanced, is not the latest and greatest western fighter engine right now. That honour belongs to the GE XA101 Adaptive cycle turbofan which is still under testing. Besides that, the F-35 uses the PW F135 engine which is the latest and most advanced Western fighter engine in "production".

@iotasymbol8498 Жыл бұрын

But it is one of the advance engine!! We just need to know how it made after that we will be able to design our own better version

@nkbose5841 Жыл бұрын

Wonder why India is not going for F110 GE engines which is believed to produce thrust of 140KNewtons on after burners.

@theelectricbrain97 Жыл бұрын

@@nkbose5841 does not fit into the engine bay of any of our indigenous jet programs.

@atanumaulik7093 Жыл бұрын

Few points: F414 is not exactly cutting age. It was developed mostly in the 1980s. The F119 powering the F-22 and F135 powering F35 are much more powerfull and more modern. Also, the US is now moving to even more advanced adaptive cycle engines. The prototypes are ready and billions more are being poured into R&D to get them ready for the 6th Gen fighters. They will try to combine the best of both the low and high bypass turbofans, power and range.

@surendrabarsode8959 Жыл бұрын

Kaveri is not a failed engine but it did not give us the required power. By itself, Kaveri can be used for other applications, including for UCAV. But India lacks required technology for 98+Kn power aero engines. So GE tie up with certainly help.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

No it not just that. Remember you really don't have much of a private sector. It only from the year 2000 did India start down the road of privatizing. The problem you have is that a lot things are still government run. And that has crippled innovation technology field. So even if you get plans for an advance engine you couldn't make all the parts. Government industries are not well run and very corrupt.

@pkjayg Жыл бұрын

You Are Right !! The Kaveri engine airworthy tests never reported any failure !!! Such a statement is not acceptable from a responsible media like the print. It was planned and designed for thrusts up to 80 KN in the 80s. It was the LCA team or the military team who changed the requirement to 150KN in the midway of development. So the project was left orphaned for long time with no major takers. No proper funding was allotted. The engine devept involved high end manufacturing technology for special materials for combustion chamber blades , High end CNC, Testing, Instrumentation etc ...a long list !. The expertise (human resource) left the team and joined the other platforms for better prospects. Blaming Corruption for everything is not right ( Many a times such allegations are with evil motifs). It is a crime to tarnish the team who survived with all these adversaries and took it to some logical end. We have a working engine with many of the technologies facilities in place.

@isuzu343 Жыл бұрын

If it wasn't deemed to be fit enough to be equipped on the designated platfrom that it was being designed for, it is literally, by definition, a failure. If I design a phone that can be used as a high performance paperweight, I have failed in my job. Let's be honest about our failures, learn from them and get better. Denial doesn't get anyone anywhere.

@pkjayg Жыл бұрын

@@isuzu343 There was a permission from government to continue with the planned project . And the project achieved its goal .. even though it was very late . In Indian landscape of development facility generation/establishment was also a milestone.

@isuzu343 Жыл бұрын

@@pkjayg It literally did not meet it's goal of powering the LCA. The afterburning version of the engine failed high-altitude and FTB tests in Russia with occasions in which the turbine blades were being "thrown" at high power settings. The main design work of a turbofan engine begins after basic thrust generation capabilities are successfully demonstrated in a flying test bed. It usually takes 10+ years after this stage to do extensive reliability refinements and manufacturing+maintenance oriented refinements. The Kaveri never even got to this stage. The GTRE is not to blame for all of this. There are several reasons for the failure beyond the control of the GTRE but regardless of the reasons, calling the program a success is disingenuous and against our own long term self-interests.

@Mukesh_Devrari Жыл бұрын

In any case, GE 414 is a 30-year-old engine. It was first used in 1993 by the US.

@ManishSingh-xo1fb Жыл бұрын

And F18s are old as hell. The rafale is old too. So GE414 is one of the best engine and is still going strong. You cannot get the most sensitive technology like engines, submarines, missiles, data links. ... Even Russia doesn't share that with us. We have to develop our own. While GE and other started before India was able to feed itself. You cannot make an engine and compete with the world. What this deal is going to do is help India india develop expertise india, industries which have never existed in India. Tejas is a prime example. We built one aircraft. And gained so much experience. Now we have developed so many allied and niche industries. We have learn so many new lessons with the countless experiments that we did. There is difference between people like you who just have a job. They never understand what it means to have a career.

@--Dani Жыл бұрын

We are natural partners on many things, as an American I am all for helping India climb that ladder past CCP China. Free and open society's with rule of law, yes neither of us are perfect but better than the alternative..👍👍

@k.k.c8670 Жыл бұрын

India, rule of law??? Lol. India 'climb that ladder past China'??? Double lol. You sound like an 'Indian Origin' dude. You do know talking and arguing and boasting don't really produce anything, right?

@bbl2555 Жыл бұрын

You are indian

@--Dani Жыл бұрын

@@bbl2555 nope

@abhijitdeshmukh6902 Жыл бұрын

When it comes to defense related topic, SG sir is always at his natural best. He really likes to talk about defense technology

@prashanthkumar7586 Жыл бұрын

The trade union work culture of our PSUs could not develop a jet engine. If it was given to the private sector, it would have been done long back.

@pardeeptandon Жыл бұрын

Why has Modani not yet done so in the last 9 years?

@haribhanujan8575 Жыл бұрын

@pst there has to be economies of scale. GE, Rolls Royce make engines for the military and private sector. If someone like Tata gets into this space what other entity will they produce engines for.

@pardeeptandon Жыл бұрын

@@haribhanujan8575: My contention is Fighter jets have been made absolute. Our defence forces require technology for Drawns, not Fighter Jets. Recently Iran supplied Drawns to Russia. Last week a Drawn dropped a Bomb in Moscow. A drawn costs a millionth less than a Fighter Jet. So why pay billions to America for a Fighter Jet engine? But Modani will do it as some Guju Bhai has to get a commission. Tatas can make Drawns also.

@haribhanujan8575 Жыл бұрын

@pst Drones are mainly for specialized missions in war. To continue, reconnaissance missions for intelligence both defensive and offensive, civilian rescue missions are the main uses of drones. These would be performed by propeller powered drones. Now there are ucavs which are jet powered drones that don't have any human controls in the missions that they execute. These ucavs need jet engines which are very complex to manufacture. The other application of these jet engines are business jets which have big profit margins.

@haribhanujan8575 Жыл бұрын

@@pardeeptandon my point is it's not fighter jets that will be using jet engine technology.

@abagwe9887 Жыл бұрын

Nothing happened India before 2014 at this scale... You have to agree on this....

@blackjacka5350 Жыл бұрын

He will not, he is Nehru Bhakth

@psr4550 Жыл бұрын

Don't worry even if today's Budda's don't agree, youngsters like me will agree

@jtchunga7699 Жыл бұрын

The technological progress of India does not lie with teaming up with Russia but with the west, despite a number of differences.

@harisundar8698 Жыл бұрын

It is for such stories that we tune in to CTC. Jet engine story from Nehru’s era, worth listening to.

@shubhamvyas8951 Жыл бұрын

Defence R&D severely lacked in India during the 90s....we are developing artillery technology now in 2023 which was already done by the US in 1960s so we are almost a century behind....Our researchers are referring to their data which is declassified because its obsolete for them...thats a shame !! But soon India will catch up with them ...but they will always have superior tech than us because of the huge head start they got!

@sagarjayanti3393 Жыл бұрын

When it comes to defence matters.. SG is an encyclopedia. Hats off..

@rutvikrs Жыл бұрын

Cant wait for someone to make a negative spin on this.😂

@MAC-vi7fy Жыл бұрын

Probably a commie like druv rate is going to do that

@akshytube Жыл бұрын

SG, gave an hint by saying 'AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED BEFORE 2014'

@user-wm3xq2kc2w Жыл бұрын

Fun fact Marathahalli in bengaluru is named after the aircraft marut

@nitinpatel1039 Жыл бұрын

This engine will also be used in initial version of amca before india develop its own engine which is currently at work with rolls Royce

@Dennis56781000 Жыл бұрын

Partner is not decided yet. C'mon don't make up facts. RR is recently found in a corruption scandal, so their chances of bagging the deal are slim. On the other hand a GTRE scientist has been appointed as scientific advisor to the Indian embassy to France. So you know who is leading the race.

@k.k.c8670 Жыл бұрын

Show where any agreement with Rolls Royce

@kicksomeup6998 Жыл бұрын

@@k.k.c8670 Look it up online, ThePrint also carried it. They are co-developing Adour engines.

@arununni Жыл бұрын

13:55 . SG - The sarcasm was totally uncalled for “Some people think that nothing happened before 2014”

@2010anilshukla Жыл бұрын

Excellent- loved the jugad bit of jet engine added to piston engine a lot! Reminds us of tractor engines being used for so many tasks in rural India- especially Punjab

@ThePrintIndia Жыл бұрын

Haha, quite right, Anil. I'm glad you liked this episode. Thank you for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar

@yerramillivenkatanarayanam7140 Жыл бұрын

Sir, This episode is very informative about our unfulfilled dream of manufacturing aircraft engines on our own and now America's willingness to transfer of technical know-how and support without any inhibitions. But to manufacture such state of the art engines it is preferable to involve private enterprises like Tata, Mahindra et al rather than entrusting the work to HAL alone. Thus quality products can be produced on warfooting without Govt hurdles (bureaucracy, redtapism, lethargy) strictly as per schedule. US is the best example in this regard. All the major industries are in the private sector only. Further the HAL is already burdened with heavy work and they are lagging behind schedule in production of earlier Govt Ordered aircrafts.

@Dennis56781000 Жыл бұрын

HAL has been making aircraft engines for more than 4 decades. Even the engine of Sukhoi 30 is manufactured here. This deal is similar to Sukhoi deal, so nothing extraordinary. No private company has any experience in aircraft manufacturing except Godrej aerospace which has some ISRO and DRDO contracts.

@adityaramesh9202 Жыл бұрын

TOT to whom is also very important, after HAL producing several Russian engines for the last 4 decades HAL/GTRE has no clue how to develop an engine and now you want then to absorb something more complex and sensitive than the Russian engine. This is just a waste of money.

@brainiac1595 Жыл бұрын

Beware of the private military industrial complex

@dingdong9277 Жыл бұрын

Aircraft engine is the only technology India still doesn't have fully. Good that we are working on this final frontier...

@Aj-ev3dn Жыл бұрын

Only ???

@manas4752 Жыл бұрын

It's always great to watch defence related videos from SG sir.

@shambhuroy3246 Жыл бұрын

Shekhar ji, Before Google resources were available to limited people , in most cases to elites. Same goes with 2014, before 2014 control was mostly elite. 😃So we can say that before 2014 things happened albeit very slow than desired pace, of course there were few flashes (like Marut). I must admire your creativity to carefully inject stories of glory about your favorite political party irrespective of demand of the story.

@dpaknet Жыл бұрын

What an amazing comment ❤😂

@VijeDerm Жыл бұрын

Fantastic SG, we desperately need these engines which will be great force multiples for the next 50 years

@subhrangsudutta8029 Жыл бұрын

Now, POWER will mean Engine Power ✌️✌️🙏🙏 🇮🇳 🇮🇳

@ininjad24 Жыл бұрын

So enlightening - the history as well state of the art! Thank you Shekharji and The Print team 🙏 Certainly looking forward to 22 June, besides the usual entertainment!

@arnabdutta9326 Жыл бұрын

I sincerely hope now, with this engine deal, Indian aviation comes off age.

@jasman_2202_ Жыл бұрын

I don't think the americans will give us the crystal blade technology, which is what we need the most

@prakashraghunathan2685 Жыл бұрын

Thankyou shekar sir for the informative video.India has also to involve private players for the manufacture of GE414 in india itself.

@book--worm Жыл бұрын

hope us and western democracies stay powerful enough to deal with this modern day axis grouping of china saudi iran and (russia) ..... not because what in for india but in general the freedom we enjoy even surrounded by so many problem ........ western democracies at least raise their voices when general civil liberty comes under attack ....... under xi , mbs , khumeni we can say good bye to freedom

@hondaxyz Жыл бұрын

You must be watching too many western propaganda videos. There's nobody more dangerous than these western democracy headed by the USA. Just ask any latin countries,Iraq ,Iran,Libya,syria, Vietnam etc. USA needs India to counterbalance China That's why it's cozying up with India.

@yomamasohot6411 Жыл бұрын

The problem is the Indian RW loves dictatorships. They don't respect free speech in their own country do you think they could care less about the world?

@thirdperson4705 Жыл бұрын

West should also be stopped from destroying countries after countries after countries in the name of democracy and freedom.

@psr4550 Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@ravindra7791 Жыл бұрын

Unlikely to happen as the west prefers hypocrisy when it comes to India than genuine friendship. The cooperation right now is purely because of China.

@dineshkane4903 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Shekarji for an excellent CTC episode on a complex matter. 🙏🏽🙏🏽

@laxmanaa Жыл бұрын

Sir please send link for the Cut The Clutter you did on HF24 Marut

@anshulpagariya6881 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for a very knowledgeable and informative video.

@iotasymbol8498 Жыл бұрын

Lets hope we get engines

@ekksports7658 Жыл бұрын

Great episode sir.Thank you 🙏

@ParthaRoyChowdhury Жыл бұрын

My dad flew the Fairchild Packet.. from Agra...where I was born 😊

@bhupendrasinghrawat1624 Жыл бұрын

Your analysis is deep and very critical.

@adi45713 Жыл бұрын

Kaveri is able to pull 73 Kn of force. Not enough but that’s still good. Kaveri looks set to fire India’s UCAV program. Also Kaveri needs time but it’ll happen (unless govt abandons it).

@isuzu343 Жыл бұрын

The Kaveri generating 73 KN of wet thrust after weighing more than any other engine it's class including the F414, EJ200, RD-93 or the M-88. That's not something anyone would characterize as being "good". Also, it doesn't matter how much pela thrust an engine generates if it can't generate it safely, efficiently, reliably and consistently. The Kaveri failed FTB tests with reports of it even throwing its turbine blades. Extensive consultancy and assistance from SNECMA seems to have resolved some of these issues but it's easily at least 30 years behind today's engines of its class. Also, the UCAV version of Kaveri that's in development is a non-afterburning variant that can only generate a peak dry thrust of 46 KN.

@Dekanalini Жыл бұрын

Thank you Shekharji!

@vivekanandholla6730 Жыл бұрын

This engine deal is a big deal. However, this engine might not be sufficient for AMCA as I read that the engine is not enough for super cruise ability. We should also look at a new engine development, may it be with GE, Safran or Rolls Royce or even something to sync with Japan and develop an engine. Thank you for the video

@anuchugh31 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful analysis again, SG sir. Hope US and us become trustworthy and transparent partners. We have lot of suspicion owing to US past but we hope we can navigate through it to focus on bigger wall facing both of us. Our great neighbour which seem to have forgotten their history of deriving Buddhism from India. Nothing shocking though as we have a smaller child who has forgotten their origins as well 😊

@JonKino828 Жыл бұрын

It is impossible US will transfer such highly secretive technology to India. I guess India will have to learn the hard way.

@nishanthramakrishnan3362 Жыл бұрын

3:00 love the French, thanks to lessons learned in world war 2. France is one of the very few Nations capable of power projection beyond their borders and military innovation.

@a61872 Жыл бұрын

As usual good episode from Sekhar sir

@libshastra Жыл бұрын

The Stryker package is way more impactful. It’s the army version of C-295 deal we made with Airbus. Also Americans are finally turning around and starting to realize that it’s better to partner and cooperate rather than engage in human rights rhetoric. We will see less “criticism” from American Govt overall. (Private companies like NYT will do NYT things, don’t expect them to change)

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

This very important to understand you going decide are you democracy or a fascist dictatorship. We are not backing down from your principles. Indian routinely commits genocide against Muslims, Christians and other minorities. The fact that we are making jet engine deal doesn't change that. We have worked with dictators before.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

@Rolipoli What do you care what America's say about you. Stop being so overly sensitive about everything you fascist can hear a fly fart at a hundred yards. Geez take a chill pill.

@iotasymbol8498 Жыл бұрын

@@kaushalbatavia2523 that's not how it works but can be done😂😂😂

@thirdperson4705 Жыл бұрын

@Rolipoli Its not that simple 😂 But at the end of the day Bezos is in different businesses to earn money. If his Washington post is impacting his overall business prospects, he will straighten up to make money.

@libshastra Жыл бұрын

@Rolipoli We earn enough to buy out WaPo and NYT. That's how you apply pressure.

@nature.951 Жыл бұрын

this deal should be done ✅🇮🇳

@alpha4502 Жыл бұрын

Want TATA to take joint partnership in jet engine making. It is right time start in this field.

@shadow_prince_rex Жыл бұрын

Wajahat this is probably one of the most honest analysis about pakistans current situation... There is however still an opportunity to get into a lasting peace deal with India. As barkha also informed u the terms have been finalised a long time ago, with cordial relationship with India and full on trade with it, Pakistan can get out of its current quagmire of poverty and illiteracy, please don't recommend that now Pakistan should suck up to the Chinese... The Chinese will be worst than the east India company... India is NOT and never has been an existential threat to Pakistan... Would appreciate if u could play this scenario out in a blog... Regards from 🇮🇳

@nagbalkur1365 Жыл бұрын

A bit of history, that I think deserves to have been mentioned. HAL, Bengaluru originally started as Hindustan Aircraft Limited in 1940, that during World War II made good aircraft for allied forces. of course, that will not compare to what's needed today or will be built. but they were certainly some of the best in the world then.

@kunal25roy Жыл бұрын

I guess it was a private company then..

@ThePrintIndia Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this nugget of history, my friend. Do keep watching and writing in. Comments such as this are a delight to read...best wishes, Shekhar

@vipulsanchaniya672 Жыл бұрын

Shekhar bhai always great 👍

@siamlawma Жыл бұрын

Sir please make a video on Marut jet. which was good on the paper and design but fortunately with an underpowered engine could not be used on its original role

@atokimruk937 Жыл бұрын

Jet engines and avionics are the two vital aspects of both fighter and commercial jets. Regarding jet engines the world suffers due to the duopoly of US and EU as we see right now Airlines suffer. When it comes to avionics, US stands very tall with hardly any competitor. Even China whose first commercial jet the C919 is now carrying passengers is using CFM ( US-EU) jet engines and US avionics. But aerospace experts say that in 5 to 8 years, China will close the gap. This leaves India nowhere. Consequently this new development is extremely vital for India. The design and manufacture of jet engines is extremely complex and has massive casual cost barriers. Therfore, India will have to full harness this, if not it is game over when it comes to indigenous jet engines.

@pushpindersingh1819 Жыл бұрын

What use are our IIT toppers and IITs that we cannot develop our indigenous jet engine with adequate power? Are the IITs just for supplying quants to foreign Financial Institutions?

@sarvajeetmukherjee3290 Жыл бұрын

@@pushpindersingh1819 You have just stated the stark truth. Government jobs , especially in the Research and Development sector do not fetch much pay as the Private sector . Also , bureaucratic redtapism make things more complicated. On the other hand , the Private sector in India is not yet developed to produce really cutting edge products as General Electric , Boeing or Lokheed Martin does. Else , with our talent pool , we would have managed to do these things much earlier ...

@erenyaeger9407 Жыл бұрын

@@pushpindersingh1819 IIT graduates don't want to work for low paying government institutions

@erenyaeger9407 Жыл бұрын

@@sarvajeetmukherjee3290 developing jet engine is not a thing of unexisting private sector when even government doesn't support them, these thing need government support and the government scrapped its own Kaveri programm in 2009

@sarvajeetmukherjee3290 Жыл бұрын

@@erenyaeger9407 : True and agreed . The thing that makes me sad is India has no dearth of talent. i have seen extremely talented people leave the country only because they found the work atmosphere not conducive for them . They actually shone in their respective fields when they went abroad. Not all of them left the country for money . They found that they were being appreciated for the work that they did abroad . This is true in the field of Mathematics and Physics . However, when we come to application oriented work things do get troublesome. There is still time . We have the brains. Obviously, the government has to play a major role here .

@sdas7731 Жыл бұрын

Which engine by SAAB was based on Pratt and Whitney? Volvo RB 14 was based on GE404 and used in Gripen.

@dhoomketu731 Жыл бұрын

A major correction here - Indian has been manufacturing frontline high power engines from early 2010s. HAL's Koraput engine division manufactues the AL-31-FP engines that power the Su-30MKI entirely from - hold your breath - SCRATCH. In certain respects, the engine performance and longetivity have undergone drastic improvement on account of incoportaion of indigenous alloys in the hot section. Inherently, the NPO Saturn manufcatured AL-31-FP is nowhere as durable and efficient as its GE equivalent - the F-110-129 but the HAL manufactured variant is a signifiacnt improvement over the Russian manufactured variant. So, the only thing significant about the GE-F-414 deal is that it marks a significant step towards gapping the little trust deficit that exists between India and the US when it comes to critical technologies.

@shaivid Жыл бұрын

The AL-31FP is not designed by India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The AL-31FP is a variant of the AL-31 series of engines developed by the Russian company Saturn. It is used to power the Sukhoi Su-30MKI, which is a multirole fighter aircraft operated by the Indian Air Force. HAL, on the other hand, is involved in the production and assembly of the Su-30MKI undr license from Sukhoi.

@dhoomketu731 Жыл бұрын

@@shaivid Where did I say that AL-31FP has been "designed" by HAL? But it's true that the Koraput plant manufactures it from raw material stage.

@sarvajeetmukherjee3290 Жыл бұрын

... Thank You Shekhar Sir for an excellent article . i do agree by and large with You on this . i believe that it is possible to develop an engine from scratch . However, it becomes a lot easier task if one has a working model to build it . The Americans did it post second world war . Operation Paperclip was initiated only to bring in German Scientists working on German Weapons Programme .Warner Von Brown , the father of American Rocket Programme was a German SS officer using forced labor from Concentration camps was responsible for developing the first cruise missile ( the V1 Rocket ) and the first modern ballistic missile ( the V2 Rocket ) was brought to US under Operation Paperclip . The Allies were specifically interested with the so-called Wunderwaffe ( Wonder Weapons ) a program of the Nazis. The Soviets also had a parallel Programme ( Operation Osoaviakhim) by which they took captured German Scientists to work for them .Kurt Tank was our very own 'Operation Paperclip' . However, the only thing that i would politely disagree with You is the statement that these German Scientists or Engineers were not Nazis. i believe that most of them were Nazis or Nazi Sympathisers. However, if the Americans or the Soviets cared less about the political or ideological affiliations of these people , why should we ! Thanks again for the excellent presentation. i simply pray that the deal works out . Troubled times are ahead . India would have to do a great deal of bargaining with both camps , The American lead camp and The Chinese lead camp . i Pray that we emerge victorious...

@gilbertfranklin1537 Жыл бұрын

There's just one problem using the GE 414 engine in the Indian-made fighter aircraft - it might have a negative effect with the discount on oil imports that Russia is giving to their best friends...🙄

@patmclaughlin107 Жыл бұрын

It won't. The oil is being discounted only because of the Ukraine war. India has already bought plenty of American equipment, and Russians didn't mind.

@ashutoshpandeyz4508 Жыл бұрын

I dont think russia would mind.

@lookintoit4537 Жыл бұрын

Don't think that'll happen. They're happy someone is buying their oil. They're not in a position to negotiate.

@shamimfiroz3306 Жыл бұрын

India should be very careful Rajnath don't let Indian loose like ukraine.well you smart enough.understand us is tricky

@MungaraHari Жыл бұрын

Salutations to the acumen of Shri Shekar Gupta to put us through the exercise of listening to become aware of the story of India's needs in the aviation sector.May we make the GE414 fighter aircraft engines in India, understand and become better to serve for India and for exporting it to the world too.Thankyou sir for your in-depth elucidation with lucidity.Namaste🙏🪔🕉️

@jaydeepgadhavi5465 Жыл бұрын

Wasn't the iCET signed during the NSA meet ? It included space & other critical but civilian technology partnerships

@k.k.c8670 Жыл бұрын

America only uses Ge414 on the f18 hornet which itself is being phased out. F16v, F15eX, f35 and f22 do not use this engine at all

@tejasjuvekar6534 Жыл бұрын

Perfect !

@Dingdinggkdv Жыл бұрын

Good coverage

@khallapiraandeivanayagam2302 Жыл бұрын

Excellent

@sasirudhhh203 Жыл бұрын

Just a reminder that the Kaveri engine is not a failure it beings used in ucav such as Ghatak and swift

@vinayk5634 Жыл бұрын

Will it only be a joint manufacturing or joint manufacturing with transfer of technology is what we need to wait and see , the latter will be game changing

@ravindraharsoor3460 Жыл бұрын

Time for India to firmly on the US side and work closely as well.

@shobhitdagur1086 Жыл бұрын

Bro they need us not Indians 😂😂

@sauravsuresh Жыл бұрын

Title is misleading, it should've been the history of aircraft engines in india

@s_a_r_a_t_s Жыл бұрын

America may be selling old wine in new bottle, be careful with their friendship 😂

@waplkr Жыл бұрын

Whether it'll be like the martin baker ejection seats which we've in our LCAs and sale of which we need permission lena chahiye from the Brits..

@kunal25roy Жыл бұрын

Still remember the nuclear deal with US. Still no us tech in Indian nuclear sector...

@sudarshan7111 Жыл бұрын

GTRE has developed the required dry thrust in kaveri engine but we lack in ceramic technology which is required for hot core to develop wet thrust. It seems trivial but even after years of research we are not able to develop the required grade of ceramic. And then airforce keep shifting its objectives for the aircraft which deters the research.

@VrataVenet Жыл бұрын

I think us is competing against France. The rafale has beaten the Americans to the AF requirements and looks likely to get the naval order too. Placing the ge414 engine into Indian aircrafts makes it more interesting for af to get some us fighter planes that use the same engine

@amitk79 Жыл бұрын

It's ok that Kaveri didn't work out and it's also ok to take external help, but kinda sad India couldn't do it on its own. I have heard jet engines are very complex but still.

@thecustompropper1279 Жыл бұрын

The biggest hurdle in developing a jet engine are the turbine blades that can perform at high temperatures, the basic issue is these turbine blades need to be grown as a single metal crystal free from defects and this is the biggest issue because only few players in the world have this technology and it’s a closely guarded trade secret I’m not sure if GE will sent this tech to India instead they’ll send fully formed turbine blades

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

It doesn't matter your assuming you can replicate it and pretty certain you can't . In fact, I don't think that India has the engineering skill or technology to make equipment to make the blades even if you did know the formula.

@thecustompropper1279 Жыл бұрын

@@Madame702 I never said we can replicate it. Even china with all its industrial might hasn’t been able to do it. It’s the similar to semiconductor industry where one single company ASML makes all the semiconductor fabrication equipment even for companies like Intel, TSMC, Samsung etc. What I’m saying that the reason India or any other countries’ jet engine manufacturing effort doesn’t yield that much power is simply because their imperfect turbine blades can’t handle the stress of high temperatures which results in running them at reduced capacity and thus low power.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

@@thecustompropper1279 You have to understand your nation is not setup for "Capitalist Markets". In order to manufacturing properly you need to have not just skill but the markets to make and then sell into. India has no such thing. What your government tried to do was do it backwards. You put the cart before the horse. You went out and tried to build a jet engine from scratch but you had no market to sell it into.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

@@thecustompropper1279 First your government was very socialist, now it more fascist. But you need to understand also that when build something like this you need to have different pay that will allow you to keep cost down. India's problem is that there no where it can offshore for cheaper labor. Your nation see all the other nations around it as enemies.

@Madame702 Жыл бұрын

@@thecustompropper1279 So let me give you an example in America we can use Mexico for cheaper skilled labor, and Mexico can go to Colombia and Chile for offshore some even cheaper labor to keep cost down. India cannot do that, it cannot go to Nepal or Shri Lanka to do wiring or other task. India must do everything its self which mean the cost is extremely high. That's why the Indian government doesn't like funding research and development of the jet engine.

@nature.951 Жыл бұрын

We should learn from this engineering ever thing and in future develop our own or with a partner we should forward this is a make in india jai hind 🇮🇳🫡 modi is modi

@alisseril Жыл бұрын

In some earlier episodes, you have explained, at least a few of the projects carried out by the Government of India now were proposed by the respective experts in the fields during the period of the Congress Government. But it took the present Government to make it happen. Similarly in another episode you said, it took the Vajpayee Government to carry out the nuclear test in Pokhran though the scientists were on it for decades. In this episode, you have pointed out that India has made some laughable attempts to make aircraft earlier. It took the present Government to make real aircraft and make them commercially available for others to buy. Now with this government, we hear India making world records on many splendid things like in the field of construction of roads or making the most affordable fighter jets or helicopters, weapons or warheads; earlier it was for longest fingernails or moustache or for the biggest chapati or laddu. India’s image in the world has changed to a respectable position from the earlier ridiculous, silly, and pathetic state. India can now engage in fair and balanced negotiations with any nation like the US. Now India will make the strongest jet engines and the most powerful and advanced fighter jets.

@subramaniamgopalakrishnan8416 Жыл бұрын

But what happened to the Rafale Deal -The 50% offset clause ? None of us are aware of the details, but we believed that part of it was about developing Jet Engines by ToT from Safran.

@amithabv1060 Жыл бұрын

That's how we the helicopter engines

@dronasystems Жыл бұрын

Shekar should become our defence minister. He knows so much about China, Pakistan and now engines too.

@aryavrat6955 Жыл бұрын

Why current one is not enough for you?

@ResponsibleCitizen001 Жыл бұрын

That’s called doing a research before making a video.

@ravindra7791 Жыл бұрын

Wonder why the soviets didnt transfer tech for engines. Maybe we weren't ready. Or why we couldn't copy Soviet tech like the Chinese did.

@soosainathan1753 Жыл бұрын

What the Indian government must do is to set up a top notch research laboratory, staffed with the best of the best brains, in the whole of India. Equipped with the cutting edge equipment. Keep the politicians 100 miles away from this institution. Within 10 years the next generation of planes and engines will emerge. If the Chinese can do it, Indians can do better.

@the_Nameless_One99 Жыл бұрын

Do you know what the most frightening thing is? The fact that Aug 19, 2019 was FOUR years ago! Where did the time fly? I swear Covid made a couple of years disappear. I feel old old!

@Haxerous Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't really call the GE414 "cutting edge". It's an old engine, almost 30 years old and used in the F/A-18 and the Gripen. The cutting edge fighter jet engine of the us is PW F135. It's used in the F35 and the upcoming B21. It's less than 15 years old and has double the thrust of the GE414. (191 Vs 94 kN) Basically the GE414 is one generation behind what they are using (and will use in the future).

@arunram.curations Жыл бұрын

Reminded of what Dr. APJ always said. Be self reliant. Else we only move dependence from country A to country B. Shortcuts only take us backwards in the self reliance play. ISRO and NAL stepped up when they were denied tech earlier.

@micecollective7555 Жыл бұрын

its not possible to be self reliant in all things, it's a very dated idea. All countries in the world (except North Korea) depend on foreign technologies. India can become a world leader in some technologies but not all.

@shobhitdagur1086 Жыл бұрын

@@micecollective7555 Pakistan and N. Korea are puppies of China sometimes bark and bites

@skt1731 Жыл бұрын

@ThePrintIndia Жыл бұрын

Britain is a P5 country too. We said all P5 countries make their own fighter engines…thanks for writing in,…

@nicpirate007 Жыл бұрын

Further correction. Chinese have tested and integrated WS-15 engines into their J-20, which is a gen 5 system. How good they perform in action is yet to be seen.

@WuhanVirusFAKU Жыл бұрын

@@nicpirate007 reverse engineering

@nicpirate007 Жыл бұрын

A stone is a stone whether you pick it up from your field or the neighbor's field. As long you have access to the stone and the ability to throw it at someone stone is useful. Same with engines reverse engineered or freshly engineered engines.

@aburetik4866 Жыл бұрын

Most Chinese military jets like J20, J16, J10 are equipped with indigenous engine WS-10. And its new WS-15 has surpassed the best American military jet engine in most parameters.

@shodhitgoyal6539 Жыл бұрын

Kaveri did fail in the aapect of a jet engine. But it is not a complete failure, recently it was tested in russia and it gave a successful test for around 45 kn of power. The govt has now goven in order to godrej to manufacture 4 more prototypes of these engines for testing in the Ghatak or SWIFT UCAV. If it could be tested successfull for further tests in future giving much higher output then it can surely be used in the CATS warrior program too.

@pardeeptandon Жыл бұрын

Ai has made Fighter jets obsolete in modern wars. Modani will pay billions of dollars for this fast-becoming antique technology. Some Guju Bahi will make millions in commissions.

@butan9019 Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@ravinagaraj7003 Жыл бұрын

Seventy years after independence, India has produced engineers who go everywhere in the world and design everything. ISRO has shown India capable of "Rocket Science". It is not a lack of technical ability but of political will that prevents India from developing functioning jet engines. GTRE has been "working" on this for a life time. It has always been more politically expedient to spend defense budget to buy already existing engines from other countries than have the patience to foster internal growth. Once the GE 414 contract is signed, who will fund any further Indian research into Jet engines?

@Nameles305 Жыл бұрын

Very True , it’s a pity india can’t make engines on our own And USA unreliable Being said that it’s hard to do genuine research in India So many hurdles

@Tir2002 Жыл бұрын

@@Nameles305I agree with you , but ek hi chiz bolunga Fighter jet engine banana halwa nahi hai chahe tu kitna bhi rockt engines banalo

@Dennis56781000 Жыл бұрын

No, we are indeed working on a JV with Safran for AMCA MK2. It is not finalised yet but it will be in due course. That will be an indigenous engine with 120kn+ thrust with all IPR with us. The government now thinks they need a partner in this quest to build an engine rather than going solo as it can lead to failure and cost overruns.

@k.k.c8670 Жыл бұрын

Indian aerospace engineers are second rate. In addition many of the Indian engineers who 'go around the world' work for western companies under others command.

@Dennis56781000 Жыл бұрын

@@k.k.c8670 Dude don't make delusional comments. No company in this world can develop a jet engine worth its name for a mere 2000 crores over 30 years. And GTRE not only developed Kaveri but flight tested it and will be used in Ghatak UCAV. It is only due to painstaking hardwork of our engineers that we think of ourselves capable enough to absorb jet engine tech which we will get from a JV with probably French Safran. Our engineers are as good as GE or P&W, they just need the generous funds and political will to shine, which unfortunately we have lacked till now.

@nothing21797 Жыл бұрын

Tejas Mk1 will have F404

@maheshkarthick8447 Жыл бұрын

*India should allow private players (Esp Tata) to manufacture and develop GE 414 Engine.*

@genghiskha10Century Жыл бұрын

Modi Govt had made a policy that any defense deal by any country will be discussed only if there is technology transfer. Current GDP of usa is under pressure hence usa agreed. U will see more such technology xfer from usa

@commentatorxyz5514 Жыл бұрын

Video in a nutshell: Nothing is finalized yet and no guarantee this deal will ever complete because nobody wants to talk openly about the complications behind these deals.

@rameshnambiar8237 Жыл бұрын

Hopefully we can get cutting edge technology from others. We have failed over years but we play good boys always by not reverse engineering like China. Cost should not be a detriment now as time is also money. Good news overall.