Really wild to see the very early test models against the finished product now. Love that the first thing in this video was checking out the under carriage.

I have a Grenadier on order and have been watching development like a hawk. This is the best prototype review yet... well done guys!!!!!

Through all the dialogue some informative facts emerged in the video. There are some excellent features on this new vehicle and some real thought gone into developing the Grenadier. I am a Land Rover person and have been since 1976, having owned a Series 3 soft top (like the Australian Army used), A Land Rover Station Wagon (Series III), a Land Rover County V8 and finally a brand new Defender (1996) which I still have. In the 26 years I have owned the Defender, I have travelled extensively in the Australian "Outback" - long abandoned overgrown tracks, through the deserts, in the centre of Australia and cross county in the Pilbara and Kimberly Regions of Western Australia. Harsh terrain, dust, mud, rock, and temperatures in summer up to 45" C. I have forded flowing rivers in most states and had to weave my way out all sorts of perilous situations. Over the 26 years, apart from annual services and tires, I have changed the original clutch (for an H/D new one) and only this year (2022), the fuel pump, water pump and timing belt kit. In total, Au$8,000 spent over 26 years. It may be old technology but it never broke down in the middle of nowhere because of computer chips and programing gone wrong. When they stopped making Defenders, I was heartbroken. The newest Land Rover should NEVER have been called a "Defender" and it is far too much of an on-road vehicle focused more on a luxury look than a true "Off Road Exploratory Vehicle". The air system to elevate the vehicle another 100mm is pointless and problematic. When I heard the Grenadier was being developed by a Land Rover Defender lover, I was truly excited as its time for a new vehicle with new features surpassing the Defender, but alas these are the shortcomings of the Grenadier as I see them: (1) The ground clearance is LESS than a traditional Defender with much more underbelly gear to get caught in rocks and tree stumps or make ground contact. It should have had higher clearance. (2) The front and rear Difflocks are a brand statistically with the highest FAILURE rate - you must have the highest reliability when truly exploring hundreds of km from anywhere. (3) The Side Steps (as shown in the video) are too low and REDUCE clearance. Land Rover had a step for the sides or the rear which folded down to get into vehicle but which could be folded up to maintain most of the clearance. Perhaps the Grenadier's side sliders are higher and maintain more clearance? (4) The raised Air-Breather is not a snorkel - how silly is that? If you’re going to attach this, have it designed to do both - high air breather and afford snorkel capability. The snorkel capability is essential to any true off-roaders and allows the expedition to continue. Can it be adapted to be a snorkel - the video doesn't say? (6) Fuel Tank - 90L is simply too small for any expedition into remote areas anywhere - Australia, Africa, South America, Central Asia, etc. It needs to be 120 litres. Gerry Cans of fuel will still be needed. (7) The central electronic display - if it fails you lose almost all instrumentation and readings, other than a few in front of the driver. (8) Those inside wheel arches were retrograde - glad to hear they are being squared off. (9) Winch machinery. This is essential for any true 4WD. Although not indicated in the video, the Grenadier design only permits one type of winch to be fitted - a specially modified winch which costs $5000. A solid ARB $1800-$2000 or similar winch can't be used. Nor can you take it off your current vehicle to fit onto the Grenadier. (10) BMW is surely a good motor - but wait until you see the annual service charge. The Grenadier is a very good looking and functional vehicle which greatly attracts me (because I do love the traditional Defender look and practicality) with many very positive features. In my opinion, it could definitely have been the Rolls Royce of off-road vehicles but for the observations listed. With so many options available at additional cost, it will go over the Au$100,000 point, probably up to $110,000. Would you take this into the wilderness?

Well... the big day arrived (for me) and I went to the Scenic Rim Adventure Park south west of Brisbane (Queensland) for the Grenadier demo. It was very professionally done. This vehicle (#PT 004) really is a "prototype". It's the one featured elsewhere on KZfaq just a few days ago being escorted through heavy flood waters in the Sth Australian outback after a torrential downpour (10 inches of rain in 3 hrs)... As I type this, the TV news is reporting an emergency declaration has been made in Sth Australia due to extensive flooding over thousands of square kilometres. Two weeks ago the vehicle was being tested there in typica ldry dusty conditions where "bull dust" as fine a talcium powder is an every day hazard. The window and door seals stood up very well...there was little evidence dust inside anywhere today. Having travelled extensively in these conditions it can take literally years to rid a vehicle of the typical red dust... so they didn't have time to valet the vehicle!!! From South Australia it was driven over 2,000km to the Sth East Queensland Adventure Park (a large property developed for camping/4wd tracks...) So were were very lucky it was not marooned in the outback floods! First up: For anyone experienced in automotive development, a prototype open for up-close public view is virtually unheard of!! The switches etc under the LED screen were all 3D printed for layout purposes. The test vehicle bumpers are some type of composite/heavy duty plastic...(I note the UK Patent Office has just published the provisional specs for the Ineos "Multi-part Metal bumper"...which will be incorporated into production...). The roof "gutter" was heavy duty plastic--it's a rain gutter... if you want to tie stuff down, there are heavy duty bars on each side. The vehicle was equipped with M/T (BFGs) on 17" steel wheels. There was NO "Ineos" duct tape! (LOL) One of the Ineos team said that the factory is gearing up to produce a run of "production" vehicles which prospective customers will be able to test drive. Impressions: No sound deadening appeared to have been installed as such. Even so, it's comparatively quiet. The front and rear seats are very comfortable: over rocky terrain and potholed track, the long travel suspension absorbs the jarring very well. What was surprising was the manner in which the rebound from the seats was in sync with the suspension to smooth out the ride... this is not always the case in other vehicles. The power delivery from the BMW B57 inline 6cyl diesel via the 8sp auto was "linear" and very smooth. There was some talk about the "ferry" trip to get the vehicle to Qld on time for the demo days given it had been held up in Sth Australia. I asked about fuel consumption... they were coy but said where the driver had filled the tank then "topped it up". Given the tank is supposedly 90 litres, I won't start a rumour :-), but unloaded and obeying the speed limits on the open highway... note for this trip ..."highway" is NOT "motorway" standard, let's say the range was comfortably in excess of 1000km (600miles) with a small reserve. I'm glad I made the trip... there has been extensive interest. Nothing I saw or heard has dented my initial enthusiasm ...I'm looking forward, like many, many others to actually driving it and hopefully parking one in my driveway!!

The best Grenadier review on KZfaq.... Thanks Gents.... Put down my sort of deposit yesterday. Really looking forward to see what the "production" vehicle affords. Lot's of promise.

So this is the supposedly LR Defendah that we can all never have! 😂😂😂 I kid! On the other hand, Ineos seems to have produced a good alternative/replacement to the old LRD. Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines!

This vid showed me new things. Good Job blokes

What a bunch of good people. Trips with you guys must be fun, more fun and even more fun. And it was very honest opinion of the car and good points what need to be made different.

A hydrogen overlander! Early doors, but THAT is revolutionary.. This guys at Ineos are on the pulse. Good insight lads, from UK.

Thank you for sharing. This video answered more questions than any of the Facebook pages and loved seeing the Grenadier next to the LandCruiser (my current is a dual cab bakkie) for a real size comparison. I’m seeing it on the B2 tour tomorrow and wish Australia would go all out with the pub! Subscribed!

Awesome video. Pretty much everything I can think of that I wanted to see and at multiple and great angles. Well done! I hope they figured out the transfer case cooling, I don't really want that banjo bolt with 12V cooling pump on my transfer case. Great crew, subbed and looking forward to more adventures.

Really excellent review - loved the detailed look under the chassis. Hope we get that shade of green in the States and I really hope they offer a steel bumper - lack of that option will probably drive me straight back to my Wrangler.

Just a tip guys , drop the background music when you do the talking so everyone can understand you , as the microphone is not picking up very well especially in a moving car . Otherwise good first impression and I agree that the price of the vehicle is the big elephant in the room .

Good info there, thanks for the hard work making this video, you made it funny! Cheers

I really enjoyed that you guys literally get down and dirty, laying on the ground to show us underneath the rig.. That was awesome!!... I also really appreciated the honest criticism of the whole thing.. It was genuine! No sway or stability bar disconnect seems a weird choice.. I see a lot of weir choices, like the tires, and the tube sticking out the underside of the transmission.. I am always skeptical of a new vehicle platform, so I'll wait and see the finished product... You guys are awesome and highlighted and even questioned them about every glaring flaw!.. I never subscribe after a first time view, but you earned it! Thanks a lot!.. I look forward to more!

Good vibes and thank you for a great review 🙏

Excellent film

I love the high payload rating with the large, boxy rear storage area.

My personal opinion is that I don’t think that they will ever be able to keep up with demand. This thing is an off road weapon. Well thought out and executed. A wicked interior too. Gorgeous!

Nice intro B roll from DJI

Interesting and entertaining review! 👍😎

Everything look fantastic, but I am disappointed with the BMW engine and transmission. It means it won't last long!

I really like look of this car, looks like old school Land Rover, plus has modern gadgets.

Great Video guys, fun and informative. Thank you from Wood Green North London Bus Drivers.

BTW, top honest review bois. I have put my reservation money down but will be waiting for the ute. I was going a 79 but not now... And ARB stands for Anthony Ronald Brown the founder :)

It looks really cool. It combines the best practical design elements from the Defender and the Land Cruiser. Not as pretty for me. I think that centre fascia in the middle of the dash is a bit overkill. The fighter pilot aesthetic doesn't really match the rest of the dashboard. I hope they change that. It's great to see you guys cracking jokes and enjoying it :)

Sway bar disconnect would be awesome

Impressed so far. Its all going to come down to price.

The most hyped car in the last years! In front it looks very small. The noise is pretty high. And I'll bet will at the same price as defender.

the Ineos GRENADIER 4WD + 2.5 in. Lift 3.0 TDI V6 5-Dr SUV (RHD) could do with a limited edition extreme off road spec variant . . . the Ineos GRENADIER 4WD + 2.5 in. Lift 3.0 TDI V6 5-Dr SUV (RHD) will have a factory engineered reinforced chassis frame & body for greater torsional rigidity and enhanced stiffening . . . beefed up suspension & a proper 2.5 in. suspension lift with appropriate wheels and all terrain radial tyres . . .

Great work lads, Thankyou for you’re efforts. Yes what did they say about that hose hanging out of the transmission? I was like WTF is that ? Hopefully that is re-routed somehow. The other thing that alarmed me is 90 litre fuel tank. That’s a big one here in Australia. I’m just in the process of organising my LC 78 Troopy build & Ive torn the 90 litre out of the rear of it & it’s being replaced with a 185, giving me 275 litres in total. My last build had 255 litres. In Australia (the land of shithouse diesel) I need fuel capacity & it’s always nice for underbody space for water tanks…..preferably more than 1. Big distances to cover & Id rather not buy fuel in some of the remote places where the quality is questionable. The other things that concern me, are BMW engine & Box 🤮 ….. I know it’s been around for years but BMW & reliability hardly go hand in hand AND again it might not be an issue for you guys when there’s a break down but if you break down in the Simpson Desert or halfway along the Canning Stock Route the recovery trucks won’t even leave their base until you wire them $10,000 …… so yeah. 🥴 My final concern is the made in France thing 😂 about the only reliable thing I’ve known to come out of France was a little French Sheila I was slotting about 30 years ago, let me tell you, her build quality was fine as…….but that’s a story for around a camp fire & a few ale’s 😂 Very interested about the Hydrogen engine option which is coming 👍👍👍👍 Overall, it’s going to be a cheaper tourer (overlander) than my 78 Troopy…….depending on how many mods need to be made to it.

Great vid, not seen anyone take such a good look underneath before. what were they comparing the price too. “Originally the price of a … now double the price of a …” ? Couldn’t hear what that were saying,

10:21 The roof looks especially nice. 25:57 what's going on with the rocker panel here?

I don't like the central knob on the transmission tunnel. Its exactly the sort of thing a big dog will chew or might get snapped off by a long load or someone's boot. It needs a guard fence around it like the other important buttons, switches and knobs have. The car looks great though.

The underneath is packed. Some vital part like the hose is not protected at all. I hope they come up with some solution and tweaks to protect it or may be mount it higher. There isn't enough room to mount long range fuel tank. It doesn't have a decent amount of clearance.

Really cool Rig! But what's about with those propschafts? I know them from the Jeep Grand Cherokee....the fall apart under hard offroad conditions....🤨

Good first review guys, one question... who's doing those mags for the 35" rubber? Is that from the factory or by SMH Group? Cheers

Good look underneath! !! That cover plate - what is the possibility of grass build-up and a fire hazard?

Good review guys. One of the best. Asking all the right questions. If money is not an option , 76 series or IG ? Pick

How will 3 people fit on the back seat: adults, children, booster-seats? Could it be a reasonable replacement for Discovery 3/4? Also the too high view-angle from front seat..did the front seat get any lower?

What would it take for any of the reviewers to press on the Toot button so we can hear how it sounds? It's all bright red, big, bulky... any of my kids would be DYING to press on it

I just wish , with it being a clean sheet of paper design, that they’d designed the rear seats with 40:20:40 split instead of the archaic and less user friendly and less practical 60:40 split And those strap down points should be away from the load area, like you guys said and pushed a few inches further out D’oh !!!

Looks like the Ineos is everything the Land Rover Defender should have been, and much more. However, it seems the Ineos is still a few years away from being released for sale.

Would like to see a Short wheelbase

How do you toe the car with the auto box, can the transfer case be put easily into neutral for towing?

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Do you know if they have updated the height of the windows now that the vehicle is in production?

i'd buy this to win the local phallic contest. but its not enough to keep me out my patrol Gu td42 turbo with ARB lockers.

29:49 on the site it says the diesel has twin turbo and patrol single turbo

Hi Guys, can anyone confirm the wheel and tyre set up on the blue vehicle please? Can they be fitted to the stock vehicle?

Looks good. But driveshafts are very disappointing. CV’s? No really. I know they are smooth and an easy way out to handle larger angles, but once that rubber goes you’re in trouble. It should have had uj’s. This makes me concerned about the rest of the vehicle.

“Just box it off” as if there isn’t a tire on the other side of that lol. Like the designers didn’t think about not waisting that space lol…

Almost all users make 2inch lift and bigger wheels. Not understand why factory Grenadier ignore it. Im also curious about service network.

lol, ARB started in Australia not SA

Does the cargo area have as much room as a 4runner? Can I sleep in cargo area with seats removed?

Thank you for an informative (and fun!) review. I'm looking forward a review day this coming Friday (28 Jan) in Sth East Queensland. From your review I now have added to my list of points to take note of ! There's apparently only one prototype in Australia and a few days ago it was negotiating a heavy rain event in South Australia kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b6qoZsJly9fcdKc.html ... seems to be in its element!

hat happens when it breaks down - you can get toyota parts all over africa - but how about the parts for an Ineos Grenadier -- the Land Rover ran out because parts were tough to source -- every safari vehicle I saw was either a converted Hilux or Landcruiser.. That said it looks very rugged and has a higher ground clearance than the normal Land Cruiser. I would want it with the Steel side protectors/step - And I agree it needs underbody skid plates and protection for all things -- pipes, drains, hoses, and the drive shaft -- that can catch or be bashed. I did not see a winch - front or rear - both are essential. Needs Cooper tyres. nI would like to see a video/camera mounted on the exterior channels. AND understand how easy it is to remove a door. Sun roof need to open fully so we can shoot photos standing on the seats - glass roofs are a problem.

I was thinking to buy one but after this video better I ordere old defender 110 or Land Cruiser j70 or 79 in the car there many mistakes everything is plastic and the peor thing is the cheeses and no there’s any protection or something everything is open so is not for off-road

I appreciate the content, really, but all those "whazzuups" at high volume... especially with headphones on... not necessary:(. And I'm not any older than you, guys!

To clarify that blue example was on 35’s with a lift?

Avete commesso uno sbaglio secondo me ci vuole anche una versione cambio manuale 💪🏻⚡️😜

Taken for a ride? I could have done that off road in a Citreon 2CV.

those 35s look so hot on this Grenny

Are these Tyres a new Option?? :D

What tyres size was it running on please?

Some engineers have seen Ratcliffes Bank book, produced him his wet dream, or is that oil from the rubber pipe hanging down under the car? Long way from being customer ready.

What size tyres are those?

What does it do that a troopy won't? And a troopy has twin 90L tanks. Did the driver tell you why you couldn't drive it?

What the price please for South Africa

Mmmm. Price is a problem.

First mudhole will trash that rad.

When dual cab

toyota MAKE simple 4 x4 . but ONLY UN gets them as EU has banned them from sale.

Not enough leg room in the back. Bummer.

And who is going to service and do all those sort of things? I dont even trust Toyota to service my vehicle and its a relatively simple 15 year old vehicle. Who is going to deal with warranty stuff?

Show the dam car

That oil connection is pathetic.

3 fully grown adult males channeling 12 year olds….

No Aussie 4x4 driver would ever go serious bush driving with a BMW donc under the bonnet. Good for soccer mums though !

Do you have people of color in Africa? I only see white folks at this event, and I’ve seen all the videos…

Nope , it’s to complicated to be an overland adventure vehicle.

Hope Land Rover have a field day with this company for badly copying the iconic Defender design. If you really want a Defender just go and the real thing and not a bad copy at that. It's supppose to be a British company but the vehicles are going to be build in Germany? How stupid is that. And they want to call it a Defender beater..yet they copy the Defender to start off from.🤔🤔🤔🤔

Terrible introduction to this video - very infantile!!!