That's exactly why I'm here lmao.

@@RowenMoonbladefacts

Me..... when I argue with the wife🤣🤣

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Idk what the big hubbub is over Marciano. Dude retired young and undefeated 49 and 0. Chavez was 89 and 0 before his first loss. Marciano would have lost if he kept fighting. Don't get me wrong, it's a great record but he wasn't the "best Mr unstoppable ".

@@craigridley7369 there's two reasons why people overhype Marciano. One, because he's white. Two, because he was a heavyweight Cesar Chavez was an absolute unstoppable beast in his prime. He only started losing because he just couldn't stop boxing and age catches up to us all. But b/c he was not a heavyweight and not white, he never got his credit just look at Tyson Fury. I love the guy and think he's a fantastic fighter, but all the comment sections about him are filled with white losers who are angry that they are virgins stuck in their mom's basements getting fat b/c they don't do any real exercise or eat healthy...and they blame black people for all their problems

@@skippythealien9627 yeah I agree to a great deal. I often wonder if the mafia didn't pay some of the guys to take a dive. You know they loved having an Italian guy with that undefeated record. But again Marciano was a good fighter but doesn't mean the mob didn't help.

@El Grando Smokio Neither is Larry Holmes.

yeah that makes a lot more sense. media made HOlmes look like an asshole but if the Marciano family was talking shit about him hell yeah i'd be pissed too

I never heard that. Sounds like some sour grapes BS to me

Well then, he should have easily knocked out a light heavyweight, but he didn't. So there...

@@ryandelmar7969 He was 35 years old and was facing a truly great and underrated Light-Heavyweight champion in Michael Spinks. And when he did rematch him, most people thought he won the second time

@@hallvardvalde3882 He should have knocked him out, and ended all doubt.

Correct. This was Holmes breaking point. Yes, the Cooney thing was messed up. Madison AVE gave Cooney the endorsements. Cooney was on Ryan's hope soap opera and on the cover of Time Magazine with Stallone.

He was bland boring being the Champion coming after Ali...The Media got spoiled by Ali..And Holmes all he did is win..Thats all that matters.

Best jab I’ve ever seen.. Better than Ali, better than Liston.. Only Joe Louis was better, at least that’s what the old-timers say.. The Easton Assassin.. 20 title defenses..

so underrated

It is hard for people to overcome that trauma. Remember, Holmes did not win a gold medal like Ali, Frazier, and Foreman. After losing to Bobick in the Olympic trials, he was labeled a quitter and a dog. Big people in the boxing industry stopped him from getting sponsors like Gil Clancy. Al Braverman and Paddy Flood were trying to get him bumped off early in his career. Then you throw how the president supported Cooney along with television, and Madison AVE. Holmes family was racially harassed because of the Cooney fight. An old lady told him she wish he would die because he defeated Ali. Ali speaks out against the Vietnam war and he becomes a legend. Holmes speaks out against apartheid and no one cares. Holmes gives up a 12 round belt for a 15 round belt and is slated to unify with Gerrie Coetzee. Instead we blame Holmes for not defending against Greg Page. When McGuire (sic) was on the path to break Maris's record, the Maris family supported him. Pete Marciano didn't support Holmes tying his brothers record.

The dude has always been an uneducated f****** dummy

He was and still is an envious man. Nothing new under the sun... But he still owns a record nobody can't take away from him: he's the first HW to have lost the belt vs a LHW!

@@cocotimbo Maybe he is like he is because too few people gave him much love and respect. It's probably much easier to be cool and funny when your are loved like Muhammad Ali was. I don't agree at all with what Larry said but i can somehow understand his hurt feeling...

@@emzid5105 Ali was loved in the 70s. But don’t forget that during the 60s Ali was seen as a heel type of character in boxing, and when he refused induction the entire country wanted his head.

Ellis Marcelle A fine insightful post.

Ellis Marcelle I think Holmes would have gotten a lot of respect if he had shown any interest in uniting the heavyweight title.

leo powers I would agree with that post, if not for the candor so long about which belt was the 'true' belt of the HC. Many stated to be the champ, you had to beat the champ... well the champ was Ali and he beat him good. He acquired the most significant belts of his time and was stripped because of politics, let's be honest. After winning the HC, his only focus was chasing dollars, which returns the conversation back to R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Unifying the belts, getting Rocky's record, none of these achievements would have acquired Holmes the recognition he was seeking, for he was the villain whom ended 'our' great champions reign, ALI. He was hardly ever forgiven for that.

leo powers He tried to against Gerrie Coetzee, but it feel through. No fault of Holmes.

+leo powers The heavyweight division outside of Larry Holmes holding the WBC was a circus. Larry Holmes was recognized as the lineal heavyweight champion by fans, critics, and most importantly, by the Ring Magazine. I remember Mike Weaver holding the WBA title back then. I liked Mike Weaver a lot, but he was definitely not considered an equal champion to Larry. Weaver was a tough opponent against Larry, even knocked him down during their match, but Larry knocked Weaver out. Overall, the WBA heavyweight title was a 2nd. rate championship belt back then.

"Peter" 😭😭😭

Wtf I never commented this I've never even seen this video,this is weird

@@skepchicaou jealous moolies 🥲😢😭😭😭😭😭😭 49-0. Man, that just sounds so GOOD

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He said he had a 7th grade education 🤷🏿‍♂️

He didn’t say “technal” very pacifically, did he?😆

Garbage Your talking crap

@@Carlson-oy2ir You must be hurting. 😂

@@Carlson-oy2ir Rocky was a fucking cheery picking BUM

Whatever.. SHOW SOME CLASS LARRY.. PERIOD.

@@robertoday7526 exactly 👍

walt grizzly Stick this VIDEO up your ass! "lmao"

They kept pshing his buttons and he just couldn't take it anymore.

Boston is a racist city.

@@vitalyjohnson3514 its funny because most people identify the south and the mid-west being the most racist but when your a mixed couple a white man married to a black woman or vice versa TRUST ME, your gonna get the most racism tossed at you up in Boston, NY etc.

@@vitalyjohnson3514 who cares

@MANCHESTER UNITED Huh?

very true

@MANCHESTER UNITED F.C fuck off you absolute sad man.

@@euclideszoto997 Is that guy on drugs or something lol???

@M LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! D E L U S I O N A L !!!!! LMFAO! WTF???????? LOLOLOLOL

exactly great point!!! If Marciano was so great why retired after only defended his belt six times. Marciano saw what was coming and didn't want any part of Patterson and Liston that's the truth!!!

***** he only fought for seven years majority of great fighters were undefeated after seven years of fighting, so 43-0 isn't impressive and he beat up on old men and bums!!

no no, you can say it...Mariano fought nothing but bums back in the '50's...look it up

+Dylan Murphy lol all the greats would have been undefeated after seven years of fighting. Ali, louis, Holmes, and a host of others were undefeated after seven years of fighting. Marciano doesn't have one significant victory, and he ducked Patterson and Liston. Marciano preferred fighting old legends and bums, not a top ten Heavyweight!!

+Dylan Murphy lol

Well said

It debatably is his finest moment. Every time he opens his mouth he proves himself a loser as a Human Being.

48-1 always cracks me up🤣

Eric The Lion you mean like Holmes 29 beating Ali’ at 38? That kind of Enough said?

Eric The Lion also Marciano was old when he started fighting at 25.

@@scottburnett3783 he had too and marciano fought joe louis when he was old

true dat

Nobody prevented him from retiring undefeated. What a jerk!

Lol....especially considering that when Holmes was born in 1949, Rocky WAS active and wasn't champion yet......so that was a mathematical lie!

BINGO!

No it's true ritchie

@mind Are You Stupid.🤔 Ali got brain damage over a period of time in the ring. Not against one single fighter. And yes you are Stupid.👈👍✌

@mind Yes, Holmes cried after Ali fight and yelled and begged referee to stop the fight.

I love doing a little imitation of him when I shadow box lol he’s an all time great

You mean you emulated Ali’s style cause that’s where Larry Holmes got his style from.

Hell yes! I was just thinking that myself! Trucker Hats Rock!

Freaking great post.

i have a buster douglas

Eddie Murphy cut him enough slack for all of us LOL

Marciano is overrated and Holmes is horribly underrated

JohnLoCicero True, but his big mouth always got him in trouble. Holmes's worst enemy was his outlandish mouth. He always played the jerk for the media.

gussstavo I Highly doubt it"!

We are talking about 2 Different Era's Marciano was great in his time but he would've lost to a few Fighters in their Prime Muhammad Ali, Holms George Forman and Mike Tyson he would've been to light for each of these fighters and never fought any one with their skills. But not taking anything away from him he also had a controversial decision one fight but I believe his record as a heavyweight will not be broken but Wilder has the best chance

Amen

Couldn’t agree more ✊🏿

@Bipede Indignato Your clearly not a boxing historian I suggest you go back and check his resume.

Very.😂 😂 😂

Michael was the true pure boxer of the two hands down!

@@masterj4777 Until Tyson knock down his ass easily In 90 seconds lol

@@kinglord318 FACTS 🥊🥊🥊

Especially Leon he is just plain weird! Michael was the real true talent 🥊🥊

I agree.

Lmao. First thing I thought

Straight outta Nutty Professor lol

Hercules 🤣

Bascorasco yup!!

@Mike C That whiteboy would get his ads dropped like wepener did

@Mike C Please, Larry Holmes jabs alone would've carved Rocky to pieces.

Except for the fact that he lost to Tim Witherspoon.

@1solojc 😂😂😂💯

If he had a couple of warm ups fights that loss would have never happened.Holmes was the real GOAT.

how is he a great character, belittles the Marciano legacy, cries whines like a bitch, and then gets his ass beat by Mike Tyson.

@@tw364 Telling the truth is belittling?

Actually he made 3.5 million dollars.

Larry was a crybaby bitch. No class street rat. Rocky in his time would have crushed this POS

James Brice IS that why he is close friends with virtually everyone he fought, even Gerry Cooney whose team and even himself engaged in a racist prefight buildup? Is that why Larry is very cordial with his fans? Is that why he was perhaps the only boxing champion who personally visited his own forum to offer his remarks to people he did not know? Larry was badmouthed by Peter Marciano Sr before Larry badmouthed him. That was classless of Peter to so publicly root against Larry and so loudly cheer his loss to Spinks when Rocky would have offered his unequivocal support of Larry's effort to make history. Holmes is a loser? Okay I refuse to waste further time on an intellectual midget such as yourself. What have you done with your life other than troll youtube videos of a fighter you claim to hate?

Reds1921 I already blocked the dickhead.

rwalfrey I disagree....I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting your brother to keep the record, obviously he's proud of that. But I do think he should have kept that to himself

topmech71 I don't think there is anything wrong with hoping your brother keeps the record but not only should Peter have kept that himself he should have openly supported Larry's effort to make history. In that same situation I know I would have supported Larry. I think you can maintain pride for your brother's accomplishments yet stand in respect and support of what Larry was on the brink of achieving on not only a personal level but for it would mean for the African American community to share one of the most hallowed sporting records. Peter openly cheered the defeat and made is very well known he was hoping Larry would lose. Finally, everything I know about Rocky Marciano tells me he would have supported Larry.

rwalfrey Oh YOU again! I like how you speak for holmes...how the hell do you what he meant! You dont

Ali had tremendous respect for Rocky and I think he would've given Holmes a hard time or any fighter ever in his weight class

@@leoderosia9279exactly

Excpet Tyson

Tyson lol........

Oh really? I guess you never saw him fight Witherspoon who beat him, or Weaver who gave him life & death.

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That's call Keeping it Real 💯

Larry replaced Ali and the Ali worshippers didn't want Holmes. He spoke his mind and 20 defenses. Top 10 best heavyweight champs.

Patrick Veljanovich facts!

Patrick Veljanovich im a Ali worshipper myself but facts

I was thinking the same thing

He did apologize in the moment. Grey is a weasel.

Crybaby

@pat mckinzie fury is British , the bros are Ukrainian.

@@md4111 and? Holmes was talking about white boxers. Like Fury or Klitschko. White heavyweights champions of the world. Andy Ruiz isn't black either. That statement was racist, and silly. Imagine Joe Montana in 1986 saying "blacks will never be good quarterbacks".

Really? There will never be a white champion? Tell that to the Klitschkos and Fury. Larry is a racist.

BS

Well said.

Just due for what, exactly? He beat fucking NOBODY. & bored everyone to tears doing it. Anytime he had a hard fight (Norton, Weaver, Witherspoon), they were flatly denied a rematch. His competition was total garbage, & he acts like an insufferable prick every time someone puts a microphone near him. Overrated as a fighter & despicable as a Human Being.

Well, he was shit on for a number of years.

Chee Panching Holmes fought a lot of tomato cans at the end of his career. If he hadn’t been chasing Marciano’s record he would have retired undefeated. He let his ego get the best of him.

This fight and the Hagler v Leonard fight were big time heists and for much the same reason. It just reminds me why I don't like Las Vegas. They're still taking things away from others... Now it's the Raiders from the people of Oakland.

Rocky Marciano could beat any Heavyweight in history on any given night. He had the best combination of punching power, stamina, focus, and ability to absorb punches in the history of Boxing. You are wildly under-estimating him by giving these guys automatic wins against him. anyone thats read up on Rocky knows better

He lost, fair and square

Holmes wasn't robbed in fight 1. Even he knew he clearly lost to Spinks. He was prob robbed in fight 2.

Larry did not have to go for the 50 and 0 record... But larry was brave enough to try and get it done...

To you, because you’re White and put White Supremacy on a pedestal. Rocky Marciano was mediocre, and had the mob behind him.

Maybe Larry Holmes...but never Rocky Marachimo...

I think that if Marciano had some kind of large athletic bag he could carry Larry's jock straps

stop disrespecting great champions when you put Marciano in that league guy was horrible

Larry Holmes was a great champion but Marciano was a paper champion cause he beat old men and bums who didn’t even have a background in boxing.

@@bossplayermfs5972 archie moore, ezzard charles and joe wallcot were an old boxers ? You kiddin me ? Only Louis was an old boxer.

hey when you think about it larry holmes should've been 44-4 when he fought spinks and was nowhere close to the record. WHAT A BUM

That is the dumbest thing I ever heard, Rocky would have done the same to Holmes that tyson did. Holmes is just a sore loser .

If Rocky had been alive and in the audience I'm sure he may have walked to the front and fixed Holmes good. I knew people that would of also, that could yank Holmes out of his socks.

@@metalshadowthehedgehog3006 stinks was nothing, he didn't even last as long in the ring as Holmes did with Tyson.

@@taisontaison4118 no he wouldnt to small to slow and predictive

***** You're right in your comment 2 months ago, about Holmes only beating Marciano in one area; which was his (Holmes) big mouth. If Holmes brain was one tenth the size of his MOUF, he wouldn't be such a peanut brain. His brain would've instead been about the size of a walnut! Or maybe it would've been about the size of the brain in his father's "peenith", hahahaha!

***** So true! I really believe that some of these clowns are just kids who weren't even born yet when Holmes was fighting. They have to be revisionists, because in reality, the guy sucked! And, as you know, I'm not saying it because he was black, I'm saying it because he really did suck! He was an obnoxious, brooding, unlikeable, cheap imitation of Ali, and he was a tasteless, classless, ignoramus! The guy fought all bums, and had trouble with many of them. Blacks get upset, because he didn't reach Rocky's 49-0 record, so they bad-mouth Rocky for it. As I said in an earlier post; Holmes is the only stiff, in history, who has the distinction of losing to the light heavyweight champ; who moved up to hvywt to fight the hvywy champ for the title. Contrast that to what Rocky did to Archie Moore, and that Michael Spinks was NO ARCHIE MOORE! A real heavyweight champ would've destroyed Spinks, like Tyson did, but Holmes couldn't even win a decision over him. That bum fought a lackluster fight and lost to the light heavy weight champ, lol! That alone should tell you how much the guy sucked! The situation was almost identical to Rocky's. Holmes , at 48-0 was defending his undefeated record and his hvywt title against the lt hvywt champ, just like Rocky at that point in his career. Except Rocky crowned the slick, hard-hitting, legendary lt hvywt champ, of his era, and Larry lost to... Michael Spinks?! Yes, Spinks, in a lousy, lackluster fight! Come to think of it, NONE of Holmes fights were spectacular! I could hardly watch them, they were dull, and Holmes was a dullard! It wasn't just the fact that Holmes couldn't beat the lt hvywt champ, Spinks, look at him in another comparison vs Ali; as a young champ fighting the old champ. Look at what Louis did to the ex-champs he fought, what Marciano did to Louis, what Tyson did to him (Holmes), and then recall how young champ Holmes couldn't even get a defenseless, washed up, shell of Muhammed Ali out of there! He tore after Ali with everything he had from the first round on, trying to make a point, but the point never came. It actually took Angelo Dundee to stop Ali in the 10th, not that bum Holmes! They bad-mouth Rocky for his stoppage of Louis; saying Louis was a shell of his former self, but at least Louis could still punch; as time doesn't rob a puncher of his big punch, and Louis had an 8 fight winning streak within the year of fighting Rocky, as opposed to Ali having a 2 year layoff before Holmes. There was NO comparison, Ali had absolutely NOTHING, yet the guy couldn't put him down, much less knock him out!! I'll never forget when Holmes was champ and was being interviewed for the Shavers fight. Shavers was sitting right next to him when Cosell asked Holmes if he was worried about Shavers 57 knockouts. Holmes told Cosell that he could "exorb the punches, Howard". Then Holmes said; "yeah, he knocked out 57 fighters, but who'd he ever fight?". Shavers quickly responded; "the same guys YOU fought, Larry!". Holmes really showed his ignorance, stealing the "who'd he ever fight" line right out of Ali's book. The huge difference, of course, was that Ali really did fight everyone...and Holmes fought bums! He just happened to be the bum who was better than the rest of all the bums of his time, that's all. He SUCKED! The fact is, that Holmes cannot compare to Rocky Marciano, as heavyweight champ, in any size, shape, or form!

***** Hahahaha, Larry Bojangles, good one!

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Techno wasn't even a thought in it's father's penis at this point.

Smarter than his mouth shows but he does have a smart mouth lol... Multi Millionaire from nothing.. Holmes was Nasty when he had to be.

Top 5 easily. Holmes in his mid to late 20's was a tall order for anyone in any era. When a guy well past his prime, still can take Holyfield, Mercer the distance, I can only imagine, what he would have done in his prime. Chin, endurance, hand speed, punch output. when you can get up from arguably the hardest punch I have ever seen, Holmes vs Shavers, and then win the fight...that is saying something. skill for skill, I have Ali at 1, Holmes at 2. but, that is just me.

You are right Donald. Larry Probably beats Rocky, but this is an unfair comparison. Rocky was a great champion during his era, but in Larry's era he would have been a cruiserweight. Why compare the two directly?. You are also right about the racism that great African American heavyweights have endured. The racism that Jack Johnson endured was nothing short of a National disgrace. I believe we have come a long way since then.

James Brice "Homes was his own worse enemy" Which "Homes" was that: Better Homes and Gardens? Who could have been more of an "own worse enemy" to the public intellect than you? You with a 28 minute old profile created to troll a video about a fighter you claim to hate.

No he's just Bosch for never fighting quality opponents which I strongly disagree he beat a very good and great boxer and Ezzard Charles twice and a great journeyman boxer and Champion as well and Archie Moore who said Rocky hit so hard it was like walking into a airplane propeller slam bam didn't give a damn you people crack me up man you should know your history not just bits and pieces I think Rocky would have knocked Larry's punk ass out look up the trainer Don Turner who trained Holyfield see what he says about Rocky Marciano he was a great champion and what a fair way better than most people think he had an Unstoppable will to win supremely condition and never got tired just kept coming you can't beat that

@@dannyburch2122 Ezzard Charles and Rocky we're about the same age but Charles had much more mileage than Marciano. Charles had fought Louis, Walcott and many other greats and he was actually a blown up light heavyweight. Archie Moore was 40 when he fought Marciano and although he lost, still managed to drop Marciano.

@@dannyburch2122 I don't think Marciano could've lasted 3 rounds against Larry Holmes. Holmes defends his title 19 times in 7 years. Marciano 6 times, about 2 years. No comparison. Holmes ATG.

Never did anything to him? They'd been talking shi about him all week.

You know nothing about what happened that fight week

@@skepchicaWho’s “they”? If you meant the media or Don King, you would be correct.

@@GoGetYourShinebox Neither do YOU

@@Lucille69caddy "They" as in the family of Rocky Marciano, the brother Peter moreso than anyone.

K Mitchell It's what makes this the masterpiece that it is...

Hahaha

Are you kidding? This is gold!

K Mitchell he wasn’t too bright

Boxers nation wrong. Many are much brighter than you give them credit for.

The press kept pushing his buttons and he broke.

You got that right brother.. You fight some should beats and after 2 or 3 then a test but it always comes down to the offer of money to be made too.. One of those nobody like Buster Douglas comes along and it’s back to square one

Because he shouldn't have said what he said in the way he said it. That's why....

@LLCoolE Oh yeah?? .......... Fuck that punk because WITHERSPOON BEAT HIS ASS, and he shouldn't even have been undefeated as he approached Marciano's record. Got it now???

Let me tell you something, if Marciano caught Holmes with a right hand it would have been LIGHTS THE FUCK OUT!!!!!

Pressure got to him he should have beat Michaels like He did Leon.. When your on top nowhere to go but down

Larry could have used a little more tact is all. His heart was in the right place, but his brain was a little scattered.

Klitschko's would beat them all and make it look really easy.

+Heavyweightboxing Fan Oh come wake the fuck up.

Brevon Townes Tyson beat no one

Donald Griggs I think you forgot Dempsey and Tunney

Eric, you are correct!!! Dempsey for sure would have knocked out Marciano, and Tunney would have out boxed Mariano. Marciano was fortunate that he fought in a weak era with old washed up fighters.

Donald Griggs Really Dempsey and his viciousness makes Tyson look like a pussycat by comparison . And no one could handle his onslaught except Tunney.

Eric, don't fool yourself Tyson would have handled Dempsey! My only problem with Dempsey is he was afraid/avoided black fighters.. A True /Real Champion fights all the best regardless of skin color. Ali fought them all in and out of his prime!!!

Donald Griggs I am talking about the vicious nature in the ring. Something to think about is most of these guys before the 80s didn't have the modern supplements most old time fighters would have been 15 to 25 pounds heavier. Max Baer was also a bad ass when he actually put in an effort training. He was well known to be lazy like that too busy running with all of his whores.Schmelling was good too.

TRUTH

Truth LOL except Holmes was born in 1949 Marciano retired in 1956.

Michael jones Facts

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did to

He should have knocked him out, then...being he was so awesomely god-given black and beautiful.

Yeah, I think he did, because if you watch how long Holmes lasted with Tyson, and stinks lasted with Tyson. Holmes got the most punches in on Tyson.

He didn't. He lost that bout clearly, the shock is that the refs actually scored it in the lesser-known Spinks' favour.

Yup he was robbed. Holmes like Hagler for some reason are not given the respect they deserve.

Ken Norton was still a great fighter at that time. Maybe just a little bit past it.

Frazier was no light heavyweight..neither was Marciano for that matter

Frazier was really a light heavyeweght? Lmao!!!!! You are one of the biggest idiots in youtube history. Frazier was 100% a NATURAL HEAVYWEIGHT. Much wider thorax and legs than Holmes, his frame was heavier and thicker. Jesus what an ignorat idiot

@@Bruins-vq5ey they were and they are still two of the best of all time. They told Frazier that he was too small to be a heavyweight so he couldn't get any management. Even after winning the Olympics. He went on to become a great champion BLIND in his left eye

@@fumo1317 they were not.. Frazier was a solid 200lb..no light heavyweight bubs

Gabe Pettiford Larry was just in his feelings and responding to negative shit that was coming from the Marciano family...

Too late. The racist’s damage had already been done.

Do we look now at the 25 year olds he was fighting?

jimi hendrix Yeah I thought Holmes got robbed too!

@jimi hendrix - Holmes did NOTHING in that fight. It was all Spinks. You're just bitter that Holmes couldn't equal Rocky's record, just like Holmes himself.

Truth

It only took close to 30 years but yea your right!!!

Unfortunately, by and large, American black men don't box anymore. Especially when you talk about heavyweights. The black men who have height/size play basketball and football. Larry's comments were 30+ years ago...it took 30yrs for Fury to come along.

@@raymondfields3562 The Klitschkos dominated HW boxing starting in 1999 What are you talking about White Boxers dominate boxing right now

@@sivypather Klitschko Bros?