We took this route last year just before Xmas! We are overjoyed with the results and heat our whole home with both ceiling and wall panels! The overall result is brilliant. We purchased our system from Warm4less, a local company in Lincolnshire who actually supply across the UK. The running costs are significantly lower than the state of the art electric system we had previously! They also free up wall space in a small bungalow and are all completely controllable from anywhere in the world!

It is interesting that IR heaters, especially in bathroom ceilings, were a very common thing in the 1960s especially in places without central heating. However, they rather died out once CH was common. Glad to see they are making a comeback as I want to use one in our downstairs shower room - the one I'm fitting out for our dotage (while I still can!)

Recommended. I have panels in every room and they are surprisingly cheap to run and very comfortable.

Glad to hear you are pleased with the panel. I will be buying 5x 750W panels shortly to heat a 8x5 meter apartment room. Think the idea and theory are making sense, I also like them not having any moving parts that wear out. The estatic doest really bother me, they look much beter then a TV or radiator imo. Im not looking up much anyways when indoors. Thanks for reviewing, cheers!

Love this video, after being hit with a ridiculously high heating bill I've been lookin into cheaper and more efficient alternatives to conventional heaters. Also great to hear the perspective from both of you👏

The principal of IR heating is that it heats up the objects that it irradiate by absorbtion. The air in the room gets only heated up by the contact it has with these objects. Therefore you might not want to turn on it an hour before you using the room. But its your call...😊

I’ve got 4 Herschel panels in my bungalow with no wet system, all electric apart from stove in living room. I also have 4 WiFi thermostats. They are good, getting the apps to work reliably on an iPhone isn’t great though. I aim to get them all on my Home Assistant controller soon though. Electrics wise, not great to suggest wiring these into a lighting circuit, some might watch this and think to have one in every room, wired in similar fashion. The possibility of overloading is high and if the circuit isn’t properly protected (light switch??) you could end up with a cable fire.

Thanks for the review! I just bought one to try it out myself, and I think the concept is great, but was curious how it would work in practice. This gives me confidence it will work for us, as well.

Just a pedantic point James from your opening statement, the roof is where your solar panels are, you have installed that on the ceiling. 🙂

Excellent, thank you for sharing. Will be getting some of these so we don’t need to run the heating for an hour in the mornings in spring and autumn

Another option for an office in an under-desk IR heater. I have one from Herschel. It is 220w and is floor standing, designed to go under the desk and can be turned on and off with a foot switch. A brilliant bit of kit for an office.

My kids’ school has been fitting these in classrooms (8-10 of that sort of size), they seem to work well, particularly in the high ceiling rooms where you’d be heating a big volume of air that would just sit above.

Love it! The light feature just makes it a fancy a light fitting. I know a ceiling where this will go up 😊

I fitted IR panels to my Victorian terraced house in 1988. They were very good back then. Sadly, I sold the house a year later. I think now is the time for me to rediscover IR heating.

We did the same as wfh full time now and heating the whole house was so wasteful especially with the high gas prices. We bought Herschel 220w panel heater and have it sat under the desk. Keeps us lovely and warm throughout the day and heats the whole room to about 22degres for less than £1 a day. Creates avery comfortable atmosphere in our home office now.

Have that very one and a few other of different sizes, all work very well.

I discovered that another way of conserving heat is to reduce the height of the ceiling. Less height means less area to heat. Upon restructuring the front part of my house to make a 'Granny flat', I reduced the ceiling height to the size of a Plasterboard (800cms). The dropped ceiling has 100mm insulating panels so it's less volume to heat up, doesn't affect free movement and retains the heat. Less volume to heat means mega savings on your energy bill. Hope this is helpful.

I visited the Herschel company in Avonmouth recently to discuss options on these panels for my box room, probably similar size to yours. If it works out may put in all my rooms as I am in the process of having solar fitted.

I'm sure you know that most medium size houses have lighting circuits that are 1.5mm2 Vs 2.5mm2 and are on 5amp fuses. They could be exceeded by old 50w halogen but 200v X 5 amps = 1000w so you're really close with 800w on a lighting circuit depending on what else is on it... And if it's only 1.5mm2

Nice one will be looking at three for my office in the new house (keys tomorrow!)

After my explanation, a better way of doing this might be to 'tap' into the ring main that serves the above floor. The ring main would be rated at 32A and with a few lifted floorboards, there's probably a plug socket near enough to tap into. That's off the top of my head so I haven't given it serious thought, but it would be much safer than what you've done. I would also add that 2.8kW isn't bad consumption for a day's heating. Everyone will be on a minimum rate of 30p by 2024 (even overnight) and possibly much more, so for about £1 per day, you're heating your workspace. Of course this means £30 per month and probably an extra £120 per year but still comparable to heat pumps in running costs.

I'm a DIYer....a very good DIYer. The wiring for a normal run of the mill house where lights are concerned, is a 'looped' system. This means that the 6A (A=amps) breaker (MCB) that you see in your consumer unit that says, 'upstairs lights', is a wiring circuit that serves probably 6 lights. The cable from the consumer unit goes to the first light, then loops out to the next one etc. and so on to all 6 lights. The cable that feeds this is normally 1.5mm twin & earth. This cable is rated above the 6A that the breaker is rated at, with the idea that if the circuit should see more than 6A then the breaker will trip (turn off) and your wiring circuit is thus protected, If it didn't trip, there is a serious risk that the cables would melt and could develop into a fire situation. The total Power (in watts) of a circuit is given by the formula that power = voltage (in V=volts) multiplied by current (in amps =I), often represented as the formula P=V x I. For this circuit we know that the voltage will be around 230 volts, the maximum current before the breaker trips is 6amps, therefore maximum power is 230 x 6 = 1380 watts. In any circuit you never really want to be above 70% of the maximum available for any extended length of time, so in your case, the maximum power of the whole circuit shouldn't really be above say 1380 x 70% = 966watts.... call it 1000w or 1kW. So I hope you can see, running a 800w heater on this circuit is a really bad idea. Even if you had LED lighting in all the other rooms and were only consuming say 10w per room, you would have 850w on this circuit when the heater is on. It wouldn't be a critical situation, but the size of cable for lighting is the smallest that is used in domestic situations and isn't meant for this job. Just my tuppence worth...

Really interesting as I am looking to heat a home office (garage conversion) of about 12 ft by 12 ft so will pinch this idea as I am having solar installed as well.

If you have gas central heating just install the Drayton Wiser smart heating control system. It’s so flexible you can heat just one room if you want to. I fitted myself in September 2022. So glad I did. In 12 months it reduced our gas consumption by 20%

You got a good deal on that. I bought mine from warm 4less. They are good. I'll not able to do away with gas though as there is a need to heat the whole house and gas is cheaper than electricity (it's a fiddle). If we are heating a limited area if the house they come into their own.

Very interesting indeed. Thanks!

I mean, you can get different sizes & hang them on the wall... Also if you have central heating, you can turn down or off certain radiators, so you don't have to heat the whole house/ rooms etc... But obviously it will still cost more I'd imagine 👍 great vid 👍

Thanks for the review, most reassuring and helpful, but a by the way .. I --think-- your timer/controller has an LED light cold/warm toggle between the cold white light you show as task lighting, and warm white, a far more pleasant light and similar to incandescent ones we are familiar with. Check if yours has this, i think it does as i have possibly seen the panel you have on Shmamazon.

Thanks for the video. Though I honestly don't get the logic of infrared heating at all, aside from maybe a toilet that you only sit in for a few minutes a day and don't want to sit on in the cold! If you're going to sit in a room all day, put a mini-split air con unit in (air-to-air heat pump if you like). It'll keep you warm in winter, cool in summer and will get a lot more heat for your money in the long run (it's a heat pump so puts out roughly 3 times as much heat/cold as it uses in lecci depending on outside temp). And it dehumidifies to some degree. Most come with an app now, meaning you can program it so you never have to think about it, aside from changing the schedule for the seasons. If you buy one with future upgrades in mind, you can add more rooms as you go by just adding additional wall units in the rooms you want. So you can gradually get yourself off gas to some degree.

I used plastic cement (glue) to improve the strength of the fix into the ceiling. A plop on the screw as it emerges spreads the weight. I was afraid of them falling but there's no risk of this.

I recognise that room ! Nice video mate 👌 im suprised Kate allowed it to go out with all that detritus on the floor 🤣🤣🤣👍👍

Still considering one of these. Mainly for our conservatory/office/playroom which barely gets above outside temps in winter. Wondering if it'll be too hot to place next to polycarbonate...and if I could wire into wall lights 🤔 Opted for a 300W fleece blanket as an interim measure as we don't have cheap overnight leccy or battery storage yet.

Great idea! But isn’t 800w on the lighting circuit a bit too much? 🤔

We’re in a similar situation - I wfh and I’m a cold north facing room with a too small radiator. We’re running the CH all day but the wrinkle is we have our daughter at home too. Otherwise I’d be tempted to try with the heating off middle of the day

Would it have been better to use a radiator multiple zone kit? For example Honeywell evo home, Drayton wiser, Genius hub etc. Having a weather compensated heating system may also be cheaper in the long run?!

That’s what I’m thinking of installing in wet rooms. I want to put an air to air heat pump for the rest of the house as with these mad summers and working from home we need air con. Which will be powered by solar for the most part in those hot summer days! Though… out light circuits are capped at 6A on each floor so hmmm.

Greetings from Ireland 💚

Does it have an anti frost setting on the controller so that it can keep say a garage warm enough to stop icing of a otherwise unheated space ?

Great video, does wiring the light also connect the heater?

Yes, I think the days of heating the whole house with central heating with cheap gas are over, and infra red panels seem a good solution for little used rooms because they give instant heat. Could use them in bedrooms, bathrooms and studies, or as you have done for when only one person is in the house.

I've just got an hanging far infra red picture heater 430 watts they are fine for bit if extra heat or small room very cheap to run. Can get bigger ones that are more expensive for bigger space.

I have only really noticed it kept its heat with a lot of soft furniture , carpets, kitchen table etc The fact that you installed on the roof is the best , walls aren’t great as there quite directional with the heat , sparse, and hard floors or drafty areas it still feels cold don’t bother with smaller panels

I've just been watching your Nissan Leaf battery module swap outs, so apologies for my explanation of a domestic lighting circuit. I'm sure you knew all this, but it may be helpful for anyone else reading the comments and is a newbie. I've just bought a 6 bar 2011 Japanese import Nissan Leaf and looking at my options for extending the range. Any suggestions?

Hi, excellent video and i think this is exactly what i need for my office renovation because i need to remove the radiator. Can you tell me the square area of your office please? It looks a similar size to mine, but i want to make sure i get the right size panel for my room. Don't wanna chuck £379 at one if its overkill for my needs. Many thanks and HNY :)

I luv your channel brother but a 800w draw through a 100w light fitting, good luck! lol

I have a 750w Panel and it warms the room but the heat only feels warm when near it or from the side your facing.

I just bought myself a seat heater from Amazon. Cost about £50 and draws around 40W. It turns on when I sit down and switches off again when I stand up. I don't need to have the central heating on with this and we've had below zero temperatures the last few days.

I've been playing around with some, ceiling mount is perfect because they don't heat the air, just surfaces and if you have lots of furniture, low wall or free standing won't be as great, once sttled down for the evening, i've been turning off the central heating and just running one i have located in front of the fire place, and because it's heats surfaces, i even experimented taking my slippers and socks off, guess what, they don't get cold. :)

Quick question. Can the panel be fitted flush to the celing?

Thanks 👍

How long does it take for the room to get up to temperature?

Mountable vertically - on a wall say? (Albeit with rigid mountings)

840W is not advisable on a lighting circuit which takes a maximum of 1440w on a 6A MCB or RCBO. All depending what other fittings you have installed on that circuit you'll either have your circuit tripping out or worse. Heaters should go on either a circuit of their own preferably or be fuse spured off a socket circuit. Electricity is dangerous and if you get it wrong it bites back with a vengeance!

Hi there, almost a year. How is the panel holding up? Would you recommend it?

Great video guys. I will be getting one for my wifes office to.. I need to know how bright the light is when it is dark outside thanks

"I'm not a very DIY-y kinda guy".... and yet, give you a spanner and a screwdriver and you could have a car in bits in no time...!! 🤣 On the IR panel front, I've watched quite a number of different user videos on panels - with VERY mixed feelings and experiences all round, if I'm honest. On the one hand, they do seem to be a really low-disruption option for anyone wanting to move away from gas central heating to electric - like you said, no pipes, no fuss. I got the sense, though, that they might end up being a very 'room-specific' option - like you have, for the office specifically... I've seen others with them in a bathroom... or, in one case, a make-shift cinema room...! I had toyed with the idea of testing one out in the spare bedroom in my loft space, where we don't have any radiators - one day, maybe...

I can't help but think the aesthetics would be hugely improved if the panel was fitted flush with the ceiling... Possible? It is an interesting idea that the fundamental efficiency of a heating systems (and therefore its running costs) can be warped by simply considering the perception of warmth and that appears to be what's going on here. You simply can't get away from the fact that using a heatpump, you get at least 3 times more heat energy out of your input (electrical) energy. However, if you have to access that heat by warming up the fabric of an entire room then, overall, I can see how these IR heaters may offer a cheaper route for specific situations. For me, sitting at my dest as I am at the moment, it's my feet and lower legs that are cold and here UFH totally rules.

If you have a gas boiler heated wet radiator system it should have thermostatic valves fitted to every radiator. These get stuck if not used frequently. With gas currently being over 3 times cheaper than electricity, I would have thought it was better to turn the radiators down in the rooms you are not using, then turn them up when you use that room - a bit like turning off the light.

What is the heat like under the desk when sitting

How do you control the temperature?

My thinking is 850w heater on a lighting circuit is dangerous. Everyone is saying about 1.5mm cable but what if this cable is 1mm. Lots of lighting circuits have extraction fans on them and so on. Also if and when you move and someone else adds some extra lights. This needs to come for the ring main or a separate circuit

What about a bathroom? Are they safe with condensation?

Very interesting video. Do you feel the infra red heat as soon as it is switched on (while the background temperature might still be cold), in the same way as you can feel the sun on your back on a cold day?

Is it safe to have an 800w heater on a lighting circuit? Our infrared panels are on a separate circuit.

Hi All can you supply us with details of the wireless control box you operate the ir heater/light with please?

Any chance of an update, one winter later?

Very interesting vid funny how it’s so efficient because they say heat rises ???.👍👍👍

My takeaway is James needs to buy Kate a Model S. I saw the picture on her wall. 😁

2.8 kWh per day means about 90 kWh a month. Is this for a single panel? In my house i'd need at least 5 of them, which means that the bill would be really close to the gas bill we have now.

I think these are great. My guess is the light is not replaceable, so if I were you I would try not to use it much. You can get a warmer (color) LED lamp for the room that would look better and not use much if any more power.

This looks great but its frustrating as hell! Cant find this unit anywhere...At least not with the lites and remote or wall mount program unit. Can see just a cheaper or more basic type as in on amazon. Wexstar brand...no lite no remote or program wall unit. Just plugin only. The one here in your vid..Is this just Europe only?

7.5p per kWh that’s a rather good price. I pay 35.8p per kWh I thought we all did on the new price cap

One thing lost when the busybodies banned incandescent bulbs was the local, radiant heat from them. Useful in winter, as you usually had a bulb on right next to you in the evenings. Of course, that heat was a problem in warmer periods. I've suggest to several elderly people who kept their thermostats up due to the difficulty of the elderly feeling warm, to use an incandescent bulb next to where they sit in heating season. Or, more easily acquired, those reptile heating bulbs and a brooder reflecting lamp. Just at the 100-150 watt range. Bit unfortunate, they didn't arrange the LED lighting to reflect across the panel to brighten it up.

Not sure you can use lighting circuit for 800w?

If you need a certain amount of BTUs you need a certain amount of BTUs and it's that simple, whether it's a 1 Kw infrared panel or 1 Kw fan heater or 1 kw oil filled heater it's all the same only the fan heater and oil filled radiators are much cheaper.

Can you control the light separately to the IR heater?

Just found your site and this product. Apparently I can’t get it any place?

I've never really been convinced of IR heating, because 850W is 850W no matter how you heat it. The issue for us was the installation cost to get the wiring installed and a separate switch on the wall which was more than the cost of the heater itself.. Having a heater with a built in LED light that can replace an existing light fitting is a great solution. Not sure we can buy those here in New Zealand unfortunately.

800 watts into uk lighting how is that allowed i'am missing something ?

Astectherm is the way to go 👍

Important to understand that infrared will not heat the air but the objects that it hits, just like the sunshine. That’s why the feeling is so different.

As an electrician in Australia, I would like to point out that most light globes are 100-watt max (incandescent type)...........cabling for light circuits throughout your house are not designed for 850-watt loads.......you may be overloading (overheating) your building cabling...electrical heated cables can and does lead to ceiling space fires. I am not saying it will in your case, but I put it out there as a caution if it has not been installed by someone qualified.

Thank 2139 you 1870 James and 10685 Kate!

6:14 *Amazed it has not tripped out on Circuit Board !* 🥵⚡

5:23 *When I go Upstairs to make **_Lunch or Whatever ?_** keep you eye on Kate James !*

£350! That's expensive, especially as others are cheaper & give 3 to 5 year warranty! Probably cheaper, with a 500w panel & an LED strip... Still, I have Far IR heaters now, they are fantastic, I can run them through the app or via Alexa.. None cost me more than £140.. 1.2kw, 720w& 430w variants, they cut in & out with the thermostats, & like you say give you a nice even spread of heat 👍👍

I hope there’s no asbestos in that ceiling texture.

Heat rises, so any heat pushed forward is wasted?

Does your cost reflect the recent electricity price hike?

Does it heat the ceiling as well as below it?

An interesting idea, but I would never install one on a 5 Amp lighting circuit. It's drawing about 3.5 Amps, so you could not fit a second one to the circuit, even if you wanted to. It will work, so long as all of the other lights on the ring together use less than the remaining 1.5 Amps. The protection device will trip if you exceed the maximum load for that circuit. It's also worth checking to make sure that the panel complies with U.K. electrical standards and laws. It's questionable. I'm no longer a certified electrician, but am pretty sure that a modern electrician would never sign it off as being safe, compliant and legal, unless it was connected to a higher power domestic ring main or spur.

Help...how is your electricity 7.5p, mine is 31p day rate, 16 night 🌙 is this an up-to-date cost?

I've got Three 960watt Infared panels and I can tell you that Infared is USELESS in the coldest freeze of Winter here in the UK. A Convector heater of 2 kW or more is far better than Infared or radiant heat. Infared panels would be more suited for small rooms with decent or better insulation.

If you hold the light button for a couple of seconds, it changes to a warmer light.

Maybe try and program it to shut off an hour (or more) before leaving the room. It will save you a lot of kWH and money. The heat trapped in the objects in the room will heat the room for the last hour.

All these types of heating are around 100% efficient I.e. 1kw in = 1kw out. In a small room like that a much cheaper fan heater or convection heater would have exactly the same effect and running cost.

A lighting circuit is protected by a 5- or 6-amp fuse or circuit breaker. This fuse size allows bulbs with a maximum combined wattage of 1150 watts (5 amps x 230 volts) so sticking 840 watts on it in one device is not the brightest of ideas 💡💡

It’s definitely against the regulations for a lighting circuit and it might void your house insurance, worth checking.

I prefer convection heating rather than radiant heat.

Hi I'm an electrician and I just to say brilliant idea but be careful you consider that your wiring system is not designed to take that much power from 1.5mm cable there is a risk of fire