Inside the hateful and lonely world of incel men | Uncovering Incels (Part 1)

Inside the hateful and lonely world of incel men | Uncovering Incels (Part 1) | Short Documentary

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Content warning: Contains violent and distressing content, including references to sexual violence and racist slurs.
The incel community is a world that’s usually closed off to the outside - especially to women. Incels, short for 'involuntary celibates', are mostly lonely young men who can’t find a sexual or romantic partner - and resent women for it.
In this two-part investigation, two female producers meet with current and former incels from around Australia to learn what it means to be an incel.
Chapters:
00:00 - 01:01 Intro
01:30 - 02:14 What is an incel? Meet “Tom”
02:15 - 03:54 What do incels talk about? Inside an incel chatroom
04:21 - 05:04 Having lunch with five incels. Do incels date?
05:03 - 05:54 What do incels believe?
05:55 - 07:20 Where is the incel movement headed?
07:21 - 08:26 Do all incels hate women? What do some incels do to try to attract women?
08:27 - 09:39 Are all incels virgins?
09:40 - 10:22 Incels and relationships?
10:23 - 10:44 Sneak peek of Part 2
Reporter/Producer: Michelle Elias
Producer: Jennifer Luu
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@SBSTheFeed 11 ай бұрын

Watch the next episode where we look at the darker side of the incel world here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdldmZhz3cyrn58.html

@Basedlocation 10 ай бұрын

/3 men under 30 are virgins in a society where being a male virgin is unacceptable and the pressure is on, what did u think what would happen ??

@painunending4610 11 ай бұрын

Imagine being an incel AND living in Australia... Truly a hellish existence

@dankmemes385 11 ай бұрын

Melbourne here I’m in that hell been in it for 41 years. Incel before the incels, hot tip your over it by 35. I don’t hate women either jhst don’t get em 😂

@hangukhiphop 11 ай бұрын

hey at least you have legal brothels over there lol here in the US it's basically outlawed

@bayek9869 11 ай бұрын

It’s over for Australiancels

@tessy28 11 ай бұрын

What's special about Australia specifically?

@Jaapst 11 ай бұрын

haha why is australia so bad?

@racqueldillon3560 6 ай бұрын

Wanting sex is a normal.human feeling. But basing your entire identity and level of happiness based on having or not having it is alarming.

@eileengerding942 6 ай бұрын

That's what I never understand. How is sex so important in your life?? Get a hobby or something lol

@disagiato9391 6 ай бұрын

Bro It Is not about sex. Just be want/loved by someone

@ghevisartor6005 6 ай бұрын

no you literally do not understand. It's just not getting sex or a relationship now, it's not even having the hope to get in in the future at any point. Of course you talk like this because you never found your self in such scenario.

@liljay300000 6 ай бұрын

if you actually get into it. It's not about the sex in reality. Even with one of the incels that they showed. He was capable of having sex but he found that not to be enough.

@DTreatz 6 ай бұрын

easy to say as a female who never has to prove their worth to society. Fact of the matter is it's not that alarming because sex and reproduction is a cornerstone of -human- _animal_ existence. This is an existential crisis society is facing, and if it keeps being intellectually dishonest, then it's going to collapse. Just enjoy the decline I guess.

@danpartridge8584 10 ай бұрын

This is just depressing. I'm 33 and haven't dated/been romantically involved with anyone since college. I've spent my time building up my career and focusing inward. I own my own home/vehicle, have two dogs I adore, money in the bank, and I enjoy my solitude immensely. I wish these younger dudes could become self-reliant and enjoy themselves more in place of such self-hated. I am my own biggest fan and advocate -- I wholeheartedly believe that has been the key to my success and my happiness.

@sajtospog9888 10 ай бұрын

"Women may not have ever been attracted to me but at least I am not an incel" Yes, you are. If a woman was never attracted to you, you are an incel

@Jay-tj7sn 10 ай бұрын

i’m so proud of you. Seriously. Thank you.

@aa-up4sf 10 ай бұрын

You're my man. I joined the army to find my worth. But your way works too. Keep on trucking brother 💪

@darkking9836 11 ай бұрын

There are 2 types of incels- 1. Entitled pricks who are angry and hateful towards women for not sleeping with them. These are the ones with violent tendencies. 2. Socially awkward/ lonely men, often conventionally unattractive looking who have lost hope and feel like they should give up. About 8/10 would fall into that second group, but unfortunately the first group is what many people think all incels are like.

@MakinItHappenn 10 ай бұрын

Do you really think that the Entitled group are not conventionally unattractive too? HA HA HA. Of course. That doesn't sound as poetic, does it?

@adishadzo9896 11 ай бұрын

Raymond literally said "if I don't find a girlfriend until 35, I will find a job". 😂 That's not how it works.

@Simone-xe9cw 10 ай бұрын

I've lived dating pre and post the "dating app era", and I can say without a doubt that dating today feels more like a job interview than a moment of knowledge.

@koshka02 11 ай бұрын

people may not want to admit it, but online dating apps have actually been detrimental to Men's mental health I really think dating apps have been horrible for society If you found your spouse/significant other through a dating app, then I am happy for you, but the vast majority of people are miserable having to use it

@theironson1043 10 ай бұрын

online dating apps should be banned.

@hem2821 6 ай бұрын

What I find a shame is that they define their lives by their inability to be with another person. Relying on another in order to specify significance as a person is damaging and scary

@Commander-qw2ld 6 ай бұрын

How is it ? What is our purpose as humans ? It is to reproduce with the opposite sex . That’s our main goal . And when your not fulfilling your goal …when your rejected by society ….that’s how people like these incels come about

@ghevisartor6005 6 ай бұрын

lol most people date and are fine, they even get fulfilled by relationships. What are you even talking about? 😂

@kalistothenes 6 ай бұрын

That's what society wants from men

@user-qu6xp3jq4c 6 ай бұрын

No one should define themselves by a relationship or marriage! Goodness me!

@nateblance2936 6 ай бұрын

It seems it's driven by their family. Their parents don't understand this generation and online dating. They don't understand how much of a job interview it has become. The parents label them as losers, then the incels respond by deviation from a society that rejected them.

@sally180 9 ай бұрын

I am a woman that feels that dating apps and social media are largely responsible for the loneliness and lack of connection in society today. I hope people start waking up, turning off the screen and actually embracing the real world again

@SirSmokeAlot8866 2 ай бұрын

Imagine not talking to a girl outside your family for 3 years and then you gotta talk to a girl on camera 😳

@ceooflonelinessinc.267 11 ай бұрын

I am Incel too. At least by definition. In 33 years of my life I never experienced any kind of romantic contact. I never had a hug, a date or a kiss and obviously no realationship. Getting chronically rejected and therefore living years or decades without any kind of romantic contact is something I wish not my worst enemies. It makes you mentally sick. It has totally brokek me. I am suffering from clinical depressionen, panic attacks and other mental issues due to that.

@mickeydeee 11 ай бұрын

I'm really sorry you've had to go through this. Every human is deserving of love and you are no exception.

@ilyrain3540 11 ай бұрын

We got this brocel. There's no ideology behind incels that's just the mainstream propaganda.

@stoicblade1079 11 ай бұрын

Here's the thing...you've got have thick skin. I remember reading a phrase years ago that has always helped me: "One woman, One vote" ...meaning, if 1 girl or 20 girls reject me...that is strictly their opinion. They do not define me or the opinions of the other billions of girls out there. Plus, I talk to EVERYBODY. You focus on yourself, stop caring so much what others think about you, and flirt with EVERYBODY. It's a numbers game.

@ellaverte2333 11 ай бұрын

I have cptsd from men with all the same symptoms, mine were from two freak grapists and stalkers, but go to therapy,there is cbt and such that will help, I trust men again and am married to an amazing guy. You blaming all women for your problems would be like me saying every single male is a grapist, alot are but alot arnt .

@JamFlava1 11 ай бұрын

You need to socialize with people, going out and talk to woman more and boost your conversation skills and trust me you will get more confidence. Staying at home won’t get you a girlfriend my friend. Go to the club, cafeteria and talk to woman. It doesn’t matter if you get rejected or not, just talk and talk it will boost your confidence, eventually you will get a girlfriend.

@imskar3441 11 ай бұрын

Don’t think it’s hard to talk to a woman, but coming off weird or awkward makes any interaction harder if your already “ugly.” Most women can sense that there’s something off.

@kaiju9149 11 ай бұрын

If you're ugly don't bother. You don't have a chance anyways.

@Basedlocation 10 ай бұрын

1/3 men under 30 are virgins in a society where being a male virgin is unacceptable and the pressure is on, what did u think what would happen ??

@shamzo1798 10 ай бұрын

Women are sIut shamed while men a virgin shamed. It's just what it is

@Booth81 9 ай бұрын

I was an incel before the term even existed. I was mercilessly bullied from elementary until High School, and i made what I thought were a circle of friends in college. It turned out that one of the girls in said circle thought I was stalking her, and they were making fun of me behind my back. I became a recluse, and lost trust in people outside of my family for a long time. I’m 43 years old, autistic (not diagnosed until I was 28), and a recovering alcoholic who used to drink alone. However, I’ve not only sobered up, but I finally got out of retail a while back, and found a much better paying job. One where I’ve made some real friends among my coworkers. I’ve still never been in a relationship, but I don’t care about that anymore. If it happens, great. If not, it’s not a problem. In my 20s, though, I was enraged over it. I wasted so much time arguing with people on the internet, to the point where it got me banned from my favorite forum at the time. I never said any of the garbage I’ve seen in this video, but I was so blinded by my anger, that i didn’t realize how I was coming off. No one wants to talk to someone who’s that big of an asshole. I don’t condone any of the vile, sexist, or racist BS that I’ve seen on these Incel forums. Those posts make me even more angry than the kids who bullied me. Those idiots overshadow the rest of us, who are simply reaching out for understanding and compassion, in a world they feel has left them behind. I just hope these young men find satisfaction in life a little sooner than I did.

@mylesbailey6506 11 ай бұрын

Male 29 years old. I have been rejected, flaked on and ghosted by every woman I have ever liked my entire life.

@iLilith11 11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@muffinsinthechair4501 11 ай бұрын

Did u asked them why?

@manosijroy8282 11 ай бұрын

I am in the same boat as you but I am a 22 year old guy who never had a girlfriend before and its definitely bothering me. I got rejected by 4 girls recently. I asked out my childhood friend 2 months ago and she is 21 now turning 22 soon but she isn't that active on Instagram so she took a month to reply to it but she agreed to meet up and again didn't reply for over a month about when we can meet up. I have been chatting with another girl on Instagram since 28th May 2023. She is 19 now and she used to be in the same school as me but we didn't know each other in school days and now we are in different colleges but her college is very near to my home. We chat daily and she shares everything to me and I do the same too and we even send each other virtual hugs but there is still no flirting yet. It looks like she still sees me as a friend. I wanna ask her out but I am nervous especially after getting rejected 4 times recently. Is 1 month long enough to know whether she is interested in me or not?

@jayhughes3843 5 ай бұрын

They should've had men interview the incels...

@mephistopheles9644 10 ай бұрын

most people in the comments who complain about this wouldn't care if you disappeared forever. never take advice from people who don't care about you.

@hildis33 6 ай бұрын

i know a lot of women who havent had romantic / sexual relationships with men, and still they blame themselves not men for their situation, it's crazy to think women are the root cause of your problems, especially at such a young age, while being sad and depressed for not being a relationship is not new for any gender. the violent thoughts they have is genuinely scary

@futurereflections4097 6 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as a female incel

@assia4595 6 ай бұрын

soo true

@sana.4.a 6 ай бұрын

women tend to blame themselves more than others for their celibacy

@luigisantoriello3289 6 ай бұрын

What you said is true,let me just say one thing: Lonely men are genuinely lonely as no woman wants them/finds them interesting. Lonely women are women who choose to be alone because all the men that like them are seen as not interesting/attracting enough.

@GG-mx9fj 6 ай бұрын

Men don’t publicly reject women as women rarely make the advance. These boys would likely have been benefited several times by women for being awkward then they would harbour unhealthy emotions or want for revenge. An unhealthy or odd mother to son relationship can also cause repressed anger Therapy would help a lot but it’s rarely accesible to people who need it the most

@cheyenneliddicote5610 6 ай бұрын

Being referred to as “female” is so unsettling like we aren’t human

@WCHvids 6 ай бұрын

Wow what a female thing to say

@mirandaw.4944 6 ай бұрын

i know right, nobody ever calls them males

@RareJewel777 6 ай бұрын

There is a difference between women and females, but I get your point

@rano12321 6 ай бұрын

humans can't be female?

@Mau365PP 11 ай бұрын

These are lonely men and they treat them like terrorists 😂

@lovejunkie490 11 ай бұрын

When you kill someone, or support someone that kill someone, you ARE a terrorist

@aosleosbus6737 6 ай бұрын

I really hope the best for Raymond, he seems like a genuinely nice person, it’s easier said then done but I don’t think a relationship is completely impossible for him, he doesn’t have the disgusting and aggressive mindset of violence that will also turn women away. I just think maybe if he seeks a therapist or a life coach to help his social anxiety and skills to be able to comfortably speak to women more would help. Like I don’t see him as unattractive, like he’s your average guy as most people are. I feel with media you see all these beautiful people so much more that it kinda destroys your perspective of the world that the average person doesn’t have the crystal clear skin etc. and it’s harder to see the human in them through the screen because a lot of it so much more fake.

@alanmorris4896 8 ай бұрын

I thought i was an incel but after this video i realized i'm mostly a misanthrope. I love to be alone

@xelaklement3367 10 ай бұрын

The problem is that these boys/men could probably get a girl but the constant rejection has made them insecure and most of all bitter. A man who is bitter is an absolute turn off and we can sense it from miles away. I am not putting the fault on anyone except the superficial society we live in, it is a vicious circle really.

@midnull6009 11 ай бұрын

This is what desperate loneliness looks like...

@johnmilius3031 11 ай бұрын

Incel is a state of being, literally a portmanteau of the words "Involuntarily" and "Celibate". It's not a philosophy in itself, such as the blue-, red- or blackpill.

@jaylucas8352 11 ай бұрын

It starts with a condition, leads to an identity , and culminates in a philosophy oftentimes.

@AlbertBalbastreMorte 6 ай бұрын

the title alone is incredibly biased. Let people draw their own conclusions.

@norbertbraun2917 11 ай бұрын

I am in the same situation. In 33 years of my life I never experienced any kind of romantic contact. I never had a hug, a date or a kiss and obviously no realationship. Though I tired everything I can like asking women out, approaching them or using dating apps. Like Raymond I also tried to improve in the best way i can. I do sports, I have interests like playing Ukulel and over the years I went out on some adventures to get out of the comfort zone. But nothing worked. Not one single women ever considered me for nothing less than a date - and obviously anything beyond that. It totally destroyed me mentally. I dont know what to do anymore.

@krishyket 11 ай бұрын

Usually, these guys have gone through something extremely traumatic or negative during school which have destroyed their worldview. I feel sorry for them. The current dating game and scene doesnt help either.

@TiktokBro154 11 ай бұрын

True

@stoicblade1079 11 ай бұрын

I blame social media and online porn. Studies show that that shit does a real number on a young mind.

@MrRAGE22 11 ай бұрын

It’s a very dark slippery slope

@collaborativedataaccounts3249 11 ай бұрын

These times are unreasonable, but they're still spastic.

@VoldraLightningfrost 11 ай бұрын

Thank you. The empathy shows, and helps.

@Irakli008 11 ай бұрын

Props to the researchers. You approached this with a lot of curiosity and empathy. It would have been so easy to impulsively react to and argue about some of the things they said, but it’s great that you gave them the space to express themselves and their worldview. It’s so sad to see young men like this.

@tessy28 11 ай бұрын

I don't feel sympathy for them at all. Act stupid and ridiculous and hateful towards women and then get surprised when women sense your awfulness and run for the hills. I wouldn't touch people like this with a barge pole. Their hatred is an illness. Very very sick individuals

@dawd21 11 ай бұрын

i wish all were like this so we could throw this perverted idea of "freedom" and female led societies

@coimbralaw 11 ай бұрын

Awww so saaaad

@banks3388 11 ай бұрын

This dude isn't an incel, the mask gives it away i.e. the mask is associated with fringe left-wing elements and incels are almost exclusively crypto-fascists who click with forum culture.

@OccidentalAryan 11 ай бұрын

@@tessy28 The vast majority are not hateful. Why are you painting 100s of millions of men with the same brush?

@guillermoelnino 11 ай бұрын

Attacking the most defenseless and isolated people in society. Because that's what good guys do.

@natefnbr8494 11 ай бұрын

Hate to say it but i almost cant even be mad at an incel, alot of how the world views you is how you look and how people perceive you, and if someones born with physically unnatractive genes i dont know how it could be possible to be confident around woman. Because woman 100% treat you differently as a man depending on how you look. Seen it 1000 times. Its a messed up reality. None of the woman hating is right, but the looks theory is plainly obvious.

@iLilith11 11 ай бұрын

I agree. I never dated an ugly guy. It's just *not* natural

@shortersview 11 ай бұрын

Hmmm I wonder why more women aren’t incels? Women have been getting judge on their looks since the dawn of time. Why aren’t more women incels. We get rejected abused, raped, objectified, belittled and ignored. And that’s not just the girls y’all deem unattractive. Women should be the one in the chat rooms but yet white fragil men want to kill women for not wanting to be with them bc they think it’s ok to kill a woman for not being with him.

@SusanChristmas 11 ай бұрын

As a woman may I say that women can grow to love a man they do not find to be the most attractive. Confidence, personal success and the respect from others around them can change how a man is viewed. Also as a women ages their priorities change they start to look for a provider and a protector someone trustworthy and honest who makes them feel special.Looks fade but these other assets can last a lifetime.

@Jotinko 9 ай бұрын

I was so close to becoming an incel. I was never a misogynist as my hatred was aimed at myself. I too am autistic (mild case) but for 20 years (since 7th/8th grade as I was bullied by ALOT of most attractive girls) and until I was 33 I subconsciously generalized all women into liking the same type of guy ie: the suave super confident non autistic who had the "special label" as I was in those classes half the time and never tried to date a girl as I felt too flawed and undeserving until I found out that love builds up over time as I thought women chose on the spot after talking for a half hour to be a couple or not and being autistic is not the dealbreaker of all dealbreaker I thought it was. It's more about loving another person for who they are and that no one is perfect. I'm now 36 still single/virgin but I'm trying to be myself around women (even with my female friends) but still find myself masking my autism like I have been doing those 20 years.

@koshka02 11 ай бұрын

1. unemployed 2. mental health issue 3 . insecure about their looks yes, I have 2 out of 3 of these problems, and I would 100% say that is the reason why. It stems from 1 or 2 of those 3 things.

@Stinkmeaner420 11 ай бұрын

Definitely the first 2 tbh

@whajwjwbqksisjdbeskoshewkdy 10 ай бұрын

all of those 3 it stem from genetics/looks

@user-sf5iq2fl1l 10 ай бұрын

Well. I own house car, employed and go to gym. Am a bit insecure about my looks, but hey, nobody is perfect. Still get no gf.

@bro918 10 ай бұрын

Looks/height is 90%. Chad doesnt need a job. Chad can be an anxious, manipulative trainwreck but it doesnt matter.

@MarcusHalberstramVP 8 ай бұрын

I am 27 and I am a virgin because I guess I am pretty ugly - every girl I ever asked out immediately rejected me on the basis of my appearance and height (171cm). At this point, I have forced myself to no longer care about attractive girls - when I pass by one, I just pretend they don’t exist. Sometimes, I still get mad when I hear about the wild successes of some of my attractive friends - they date a different girl each week. There is a stark contrast in our lives. On the positive side, I have secured a stellar investment banking job in which I already make $500k net per annum. So, it’s not all doom & gloom:)

@martynilsson4731 5 ай бұрын

The Internet is slowly killing our society.

@SynthhInHD 10 ай бұрын

I'm an incel by definition, not really by views. It's been almost 6 years since I had any romantic contact with a woman, and it's not for lack of trying. I'm tall, I've got many interests, I have a good job, and I'm educated, but still I struggle. Dating apps don't work for me and I've got so much trauma from growing up as an outcast that I probably won't ever feel comfortable enough to put myself out there. It doesn't help seeing so many women talking about their impossible standards for men.

@AbuBased731 10 ай бұрын

>[indenialÇel]

@liilykh4n 10 ай бұрын

Womens standards are literally just a funny gentleman that treats them with respect, ive seen maybe a small amount of guys however that don’t hyperfixate on a woman’s physical appearance

@imconfusion4976 10 ай бұрын

I’m certainly NOT an incel in any form! but it’s hard not to sympathise with these people some what, as a guy myself, dating is stupidly hard nowadays for men, and its hard not to feel down sometimes from the lack of attention, so I feel sorry for them on that matter.

@jebril 10 ай бұрын

Yea I've only been with one girl my wife and she's fat AF. Apparently I'm good looking, but objectively I have an 8 in dick, 6 ft tall pretty much (5'11) make six figures own multiple homes and cars outright. I've been with my wife for like 12 yrs tho but like I just see how it is trying to get a threesome going, like impossible wtf man.

@zumazuma568 10 ай бұрын

You're saying it like it's easy for women...

@BigTylt 10 ай бұрын

It's one thing to feel demoralized and exhausted, and it's something entirely different to cheer on violence against women out of a desire for comeuppance.

@stephanieodiase 10 ай бұрын

Boo hooo 😂😂😂😂

@zain7alyani7906 10 ай бұрын

If these are what male incels are.. What are females with misandrist believes and standards? Is it really viewed the same way when males are sexualized by women? Why are those females called feminist and are seen as fighting for there right and worth meanwhile these men are called incels and seen as failures when it’s actually society that has failed them and made them felt like the only way they have a value in life is by interacting with females? Is this really the dark side of themselves or reality of the dark side society offers to men?

@huggybear539 9 ай бұрын

I guess I'm an INCEL. I faced a lot of abuse as a child and caused me to become extremely introverted. Add that to a 5' 7" frame and you have a recipe for a lonely life. It bothered me a lot in my teens and twenties, but realized I need to embrace my solitude instead of hating the world or I, myself, would go crazy. It's a "dog eat dog world" and we are witnessing the survival of the fittest.

@rickc-137___ 10 ай бұрын

Dating is shallow When you are judged on a face Dont be suprised when another one takes your place

@ehsanazerbaijanli1738 7 ай бұрын

Im 27 virgin to this day,have good family,okay job and university degree,the people around me always wondered why im single,i wondering myself, maybe i ask few girls or im not wealthy.i know be alone man is hard but we must improve ourselves and not hateful to girls.they have right to choose .Finding girlfriend is part of life not the life itself. I try live happy and try to find girlfriend but if i didn't i keep trying to be successful even im live in iran (east Azerbaijan province if you wonder why i call myself Azerbaijani)and there is alot of problem like very high inflation. So to friends who like me an incel ,virgin or celibate.try see good things in your life ,try to find girlfriend but focus on other part of life. Your work is important and after that your fitness.if you are depression like me , still you must fight in this harsh life.I hope all of us can have happy and good life.

@RICOMOVIES 10 ай бұрын

So being lonely, is now a crime. Great,thanx for that.

@clol6049 10 ай бұрын

thanks for ignoring the fact they actively shame women

@kellywilliamson2187 8 ай бұрын

As a young man, the sexual compulsion is incredibly powerful and it seems like everyone is having sex . . . except you - but, of course, it's an illusion and in large part due to relentless marketing centered around sexual attraction.

@CraxiPostazione 10 ай бұрын

Woah so people still use the word "incel" to talk about incels, well i'm happy about this, it's been 4 years since everyone uses the word "incel" to talk about "every person i don't agree with"

@5cripted785 11 ай бұрын

black pill is real

@nsbd90now 11 ай бұрын

No it isn't. It is from a science-fiction movie. It's a safe bet anyone who goes on about "red pills" and so on isn't getting good grades in school.

@decline01 11 ай бұрын

Oh wow it's me...

@OnyxTank 11 ай бұрын

Pretty sad lol

@brickofwar9727 11 ай бұрын

@kormak8280 11 ай бұрын

you're famous bro.

@AbuBased731 11 ай бұрын

@mr.m6038 Certified Teeheee momento

@beganitdidnt6535 11 ай бұрын

@mr.m6038 asexualmaxxing lol

@rangapal7949 11 ай бұрын

I love how they only pick the weirdest dudes to make incels look like violent misogynists when literally the average man is an incel. Like literally every dude you know is probably an incel.

@Mystefier 11 ай бұрын

It's interesting differently our society treats incel men versus incel women.

@orlokknoxxcast 11 ай бұрын

Hard reality - dating and relationships are based on your looks, including height. Personality only matters when you already have the door opened from having decent looks. I'm 35 and no amount of self improvement I've done has made a difference. My looks and height are what stop me from attracting women.

@dennisthomas1654 9 ай бұрын

I HATE these manufactured labels like Incel and Karen. They are people, and all different. JFC.

@olly078 11 ай бұрын

Lmaooo my man Decline is in the documentary 😂😂😂😂

@j.d.s.8132 11 ай бұрын

Noticed it too 😂😂😂. When you know Decline, its over.

@someonestrange2818 11 ай бұрын

This is depressing because they're all so young. Just a little bit of positive guidance would make a huge difference.

@anderson-gb8rp 11 ай бұрын

Not all of us are young.

@scifirealism5943 11 ай бұрын

I've received positive guidance. I know now I can't expect sex without work. At the same time, I'm sad because other people are having sex when I'm not. I'm abnormal for being a virgin at 28.

@sweattvchannel9156 11 ай бұрын

Been a incel for 2 years now and didn’t even know it

@Buddyboyo7 11 ай бұрын

Yep so many guys are incels in denial or just lack the self awareness.

@nocturnaljoe9543 10 ай бұрын

@@Buddyboyo7 I bet 200 bucks over 50% of the resentfull people in the comments here, beating down on incels are IID themselves. The rest if mostly women who think they would not be incels, if they had been born male. I dare them: Just do the test. Make a profile with a picture of you. Use an app to turn your digital persona into a male and try to have any success. Best of luck buddy boyerinas.

@JessssssssJesssss 10 ай бұрын

The literal term of being involuntary celibate isn’t that bad but if you take it out on an entire group of people that’s when it turns bad

@beganitdidnt6535 10 ай бұрын

@@Buddyboyo7 yep the ones that make fun of them they really need a blackpill moment mine was just being the ugly friend of the group which was a bunch of blackpill moments but i assume these people dont have friends and cope with money or something idk they are super delusional and narrow minded its weird asf

@icomefromoogaboogaland 10 ай бұрын

@@nocturnaljoe9543brootal. OvER for buddy boyerinas 😢

@juanguatemala4874 4 ай бұрын

The sad thing is even if these guys did eventually meet up with a girl she probably wouldn't stick around only compounding these guys relationship problems

@Walkingadversity 11 ай бұрын

Although I’m not technically an Incel since I’ve been involved in a non platonic relationship in the past, I’ve been ostracized for a long time now socially, romantically and sexually. It’s good to see the majority of the comments here showing empathy even if they disagree. While I myself don’t condone violent actions or thoughts, loneliness, deprivation, harassment in school, and rejection despite trying can really screw up your mind to the point where you MIGHT become radicalized.

@Hapacel1 11 ай бұрын

Mogs me for having an incel friend group.

@Mike-01234 8 ай бұрын

As a person who had lot of trouble when I was younger long before incel's and the internet existed for me my problems started at a young age in grade school 6 or 7th grade. I had dandruff girls would call me disgusting, I was bullied by everyone even teachers. What they got me to believe I was all those things about myself. That is where I I went wrong. I learned to stay away from bullies and mean girls who hanged around with those kids. That sort of stuck with me all the way through high school. Kids that have low self-esteems attract bullies because they are easy targets. Somehow, I actually had a few GFs in my late teens years it was short lived. Looking back on it now I remember girls who did like me I had judged myself to the point where I felt like I wasn't worth much why would anyone like me. I can remember sitting alone and thinking what my future would be like. I remember this girl leaving her phone number in my yearbook she went out of her way to sign it I didn't think anything about it. There is lot of other things that happened I'm married now been for long time in my 50's now. It wasn't girls who were the problem it was me I was the one who was broken. If you're having trouble in life with meeting girls try to figure out how to improve your own life even if you have to get therapy, do it don't waste your younger years on sitting around feeling sorry for yourself.

@yoleeisbored 11 ай бұрын

"Hello female" wow

@lsimon343 Ай бұрын

It’s so sad that men put 80% of their self worth on their height…

@mikioni 6 ай бұрын

chad = aww he is so cute ugly man = eww he is a misogynist

@drugsorme2714 9 ай бұрын

Did the incel community noticed that many of them said that they are autistic? Nothing wrong with having a hard time with dating if you have autism.

@scifirealism5943 8 ай бұрын

Except autistic people get dates.

@dusklvr 9 ай бұрын

All I know of love has been excruciating pain and loss. Everything I learned about love, I learned while working in a nursing home.

@spytechchronicles 2 ай бұрын

There are plenty of incels all over the world

@Hudson470 11 ай бұрын

I'm Incel and I'm 33 years old, I know what it's like, it's something that messes with your self-esteem too much, and can even generate emotional illnesses and scars in our soul... I think I'm ugly, discouraged, sad, head down, many girls and women already rejected me

@vista1456786 11 ай бұрын

The Raymond part was so depressing, seems like the gym was actually working for him (health wise), and he intentionally does not do what he enjoys due to the pursuit of a relationship.

@olly078 11 ай бұрын

Thats my man declineee

@TimSlee1 4 ай бұрын

I don't hate women, i'm just confused, lonely and a little envious of people who have it all figured out.

@OccidentalAryan 4 ай бұрын

There's nothing to figure out. It's all looks.

@LORWBITCH 4 ай бұрын

I hate

@taquito7526 4 ай бұрын

Have it all figured out is short for have all the looks

@biteofdog 4 ай бұрын

The thing to realize is that nobody has it all figured out, and we all have our different struggles. Some folks are great at hiding their problems until you talk to them, their lives may seem perfect, but they could still feel unhappy or unfulfilled.

@Sofia-gq9pt Ай бұрын

Why do they hate ALL women when there are so many women who are in the same situation as them in life and struggle with the same issues?

@Saulgoodman67677 10 ай бұрын

I’m only 18 but from what I’ve experienced as well as seen around me, it’s normally very hard to find a girlfriend/partner if you’re only doing stuff to deliberately find a gf. You can’t join a club or social event purely for getting a gf, that’s never going to work. You need to be confident in yourself, pursue your aspirations and hobbies first. Live life, and maybe you’ll bump into someone and form a strong friendship with someone which could develop into something more eventually. It has to come naturally, you can’t force it and it sure as well doesn’t help thinking all women are the same. However this is only from my experience and what I’ve seen from those around me. I’m still young as well as all the other guys around me and so it’s easier to find a gf/female friends and change who we are. I rather more feel terrible for middle aged men who are lonely, idk what the solution would be.

@nurtaytulegenov7431 10 ай бұрын

There is none. At this point, a person is already formed and becomes very resistant to changing. If one is a virgin with no dating experience by the age of 23-25 (around that time), then he will remain alone in 99% of the cases. Either cope or rope

@Ashbelfi 11 ай бұрын

You can't blame a lot of us who literally can't find anyone here, it's just that difficult. Too high standards, passing by Peter Parker but wanting Spiderman everyday is the exact way I can describe it now.

@kek22219 11 ай бұрын

I don't have a arm, I walk with a limp and I have autism and I have a partner. What's your excuse other than your unrealistic standards?

@kek22219 11 ай бұрын

Trust me mate it has nothing to do with your look, it's your personality.

@anderson-gb8rp 11 ай бұрын

The Peter Parker and Spiderman analogy is soo good and true. It's literally the same guy but in MJ's mind there is no way a nerdy loser is Spiderman, it doesn't even cross her mind that it could be him.

@pluckybellhop66 11 ай бұрын

I can blame you. Nobody is entitled to my body. I'm a csa survivor and I just want to be alone.

@hardutrares643 11 ай бұрын

cringe

@Ascendify5 9 ай бұрын

most men are not incel because a 3 thinks she deserves a 10

@steverobinson8771 Ай бұрын

Human beings weren't designed to be interconnected via social media and programming terminals (mobile phones).

@pjmlemon3280 6 ай бұрын

shoutout to these girls who put themselves into uncomfortable situations…

@Nihilistic_Soul 11 ай бұрын

take the blackpill boyos it is over

@handsomediscordkinglord8122 11 ай бұрын

Indeed boyo

@TK_GX 6 ай бұрын

im 33 and have never had a date or relationship. ive been a neet on my computer since I was 15. i have aspergers syndrome. and ive been on a computer online for a long time. every friend i meet online through video games or what have you, when I ask if they have ever had a girlfriend or close female friends, almost all of them said no they had not. The issue is far worse than we know or realize. Labeling all men who don't have a partner ever as "incel" just brands them with a blanket term that mostly normal people use to "avoid these undesirable people". Its a term that normal people who have had relationships or casual encounters use. It doesn't matter if you're kind or gentle or patient or caring. Or even angry or moody or irrational. Its completely irrelevant your personality and who you are. Once you are labeled "incel" by people, its over for you, man or woman.

@MrFreakyFatBoy 11 ай бұрын

I used to feel the same. I finally managed it at 34, and to be honest relationships are difficult and painful. Loneliness was easier!! But it should not be that way….. it should not be so hard. I’m 58 now and that relationship almost killed me.

@Alex-kt8qe 11 ай бұрын

I think there is a difference between incel and virgin. People can still be virgins and focus on passions, work or business. Incela seem to roll around in their own misery/inadequacy.

@scifirealism5943 11 ай бұрын

Yep.

@devaxionrl8189 11 ай бұрын

The label makes no difference. It’s more of a pre-determined circumstance/situation in which men cannot get laid even if they try. The differences between a virgin who can’t get sex and doesn’t proclaim himself as a “Incel” versus one who does proclaim is essentially negligible.

@kareemabdul1 11 ай бұрын

nobody is a virgin by choice if a female hasnt said you are hot in the last MONTH! its over

@alexw6849 11 ай бұрын

Incel = involuntary celibate. If you want to fullfil your sexual needs but you can't then you are by definiton an incel

@kendreamer6376 11 ай бұрын

Yup alot of negative self talk and self loathing. Everyone can feel the negative vibes they are dumping out into the world. Most normal people steer clear of that type of energy. It's boardline anti social and almost psychopathy.

@nwgverified 11 ай бұрын

I feel really bad for Raymond, you can tell he's trying his hardest to attract women but he's focusing on the wrong things (probably due to buying into the redpill) and is focusing on physical self-improvement like getting massive muscles rather than mental improvement like social skills training and therapy. Great to see that he has managed to (at least) get away from the black pill ideology though because that can easily lead you to suicide.

@painunending4610 11 ай бұрын

Having bigger muscles will make you more attractive generally. Therapy and social skills don't make you more attractive sorry. Looks matter

@theragoooverlord5021 11 ай бұрын

If you dont have then you don't. It's over. Anything else is a delusion. The west is very corrupted.

@jaylucas8352 11 ай бұрын

Combination of social skills and some physicality is attractive. Social skills begin with friendships, esp with women…to understand them as humans

@user-li8wj3lt2l 11 ай бұрын

Gym will improve his physical health, strength and self-esteem - I see literally nothing wrong with that. And proper therapy is an expensive thing, not everyone can afford such luxury, especially young people without well-paying career.

@mkzzzzzzzzzz1 11 ай бұрын

Be honest, tell me what outcomes from therapy will benefit him when his goals?

@cottonuwu3167 9 ай бұрын

The sad thing is that its a vicius cycle. Not having luck one time worsens the next and the next and so on until they think its impossible

@tvtt5380 9 ай бұрын

Wow, this documentary is so sad and upsetting. I had no idea this was a thing.

@luaiderar6600 11 ай бұрын

NO WAY, IT'S MY FELLOW BROCEL DECLINE

@munkqiking7207 11 ай бұрын

Amazing how quickly men forget how brutal dating is for men as soon as they get into a relationship. Every single time. You start acting like women as a gender have no faults. Its always mens fault! Men youre just insecure! Men you need to work onyour personality! Men youre not doing enough! Tell me since you (and everyone else here) are such experts on male-female social dynamics, what flaws and issues do women need to work on? Since you have so much to say about men. Oh wait, let me guess, women are already perfect as they are. Thats the sentiment young men are met with. Its no wonder they feel like they cant win, you halfwits keep stacking the chips against them in EVERY interaction or circumstance.

@nepadron 6 ай бұрын

He didnt "build his own chat room" thats discord 😭😭

@kunalm.deshmukh 11 ай бұрын

1:13 He was right She even shown the Disgust😂😂

@lovejunkie490 11 ай бұрын

You are too bad at analyzing people’s feeling. Means that you lack of social and emotional intelligence, which is one of the most important thing to have relationships, not only romantic ones but also friendly ones.

@bjorneriksson107 21 күн бұрын

Bro, Raymond seems like he’s doing the right thing, he’s improving himself and seems inteligente. I’m hoping the best for him and hope he’s happy in his self improvement journey which he’s doing really good at.

@milotherussianblue3691 7 ай бұрын

This is like the most first-world problem I’ve ever heard of.

@alissa8760 6 ай бұрын

Incel men hating women while simultaneously blaming women for how pathetic they are is actually just a universal problem that breeds violence and misogyny…

@YouKnowUsTV 6 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t call mental issues due to a lack of human interaction a first world problem it’s kind of human nature to desire connections

@ObakuZenCenter 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately incels in the US are also often right wingers. That combination is dangerous and should be treated as the clear and present danger that they are. As recognized by every major law enforcement agency in the US, they are the most serious terroristic threat in the nation. It's not a trivial problem.

@nevswain478 6 ай бұрын

yep, because other countries don't have a strong relliance on social media apps to find a mate and date.

@N4chtigall 6 ай бұрын

"Most first-world problem"? You think that lack of support for men in our society, plummeting birth rates, raising number of virgins and people who are giving up on relationships because it just became too hard and many, many more is "most first-world problem"? I don't know if you realize but this "first-world problem" may be the reason that the entire countries will collapse. Literally. Who is gonna work? Who is gonna pay taxes? Who is gonna fund all the social programs? Yeah, exactly.

@Alexander-zt9kz 10 ай бұрын

We were born ugly. The world will never forgive us for it.

@The_Lovey_Informer 11 ай бұрын

I learned in my 23 years of life, that you cant force things to happen. If you aren't chosen. Give up and find other things in life to focus on. Chad and Tyrones are always gonna win.

@muhammadhuzaifahmohamedsal2697 11 ай бұрын

amen

@tessy28 11 ай бұрын

Your first tip. Stop referring to people as Chads, Tyrone and Stacey's

@mikehvh1337 11 ай бұрын

truly over

@dannyboy3413 11 ай бұрын

Most men are brainwashed by the media and internet to put pussy on a pedestal and to think like having sex and getting laid is the sole purpose in life. Men must find their own way through this life with his own judgements, not by some autistic "pill" ideology. Internet and social media is brainwashing men.

@SubliminalSociety 11 ай бұрын

Facts. I’m not going to be the beta waiting for her during her 30s

@MarkMark-uc6gq 11 ай бұрын

These women get used up and then want good men

@zumazuma568 11 ай бұрын

you can't "use up" a person: it's a living being, not a finite source of something that can run out.

@user-ir2vx7ug4w 5 ай бұрын

These are not incels they're just teenage boys who don't have enough life encounters with women.

@angelgee-ul2xf 6 ай бұрын

This is quite sad and i dont mean that condescendingly, just like they have so much self shame and hatred and its all being projected

@futurereflections4097 6 ай бұрын

It’s just so random! I have no idea why men would feel alienated in the modern dating world 🤤

@DoReMewMew 11 ай бұрын

I grieve for these young men. It feels like crabs in a bucket, for them to feel so much hurt and hatred for yourself and a path of life you think you're stuck in, and to just perpetuate it... The darkness hatred they feel towards not just women but other groups of people is hard to look past or forgive, but the constant circulation of hatred and hurt caused by loneliness and longing for compassion and humanity... that kind of hurt runs deep, and to know there are those who would perpetuate it and continue keeping themselves and others hurting is tragic.

@SSmith-eu9vw 10 ай бұрын

I'm cheering for you. Raymond!!

@nobodyofimportance3922 2 ай бұрын

"It is difficult to find happiness within oneself, but it is impossible to find it anywhere else." - Arthur Schopenhauer

@thoughts8182 11 ай бұрын

I've been on both ends of the spectrum and it makes no sense to me why people keep denying this harsh reality. During my teenager years, I was overweight and ugly. People often made fun of my looks. But later on, I got surgery and got in the gym and everything changed. I get approached by girls IRL now and several girls from my past have popped up to me on social media wanting to 'hang out'. I personally feel that in order to rectify the incel situation, cosmetic surgery should be made freely available for men who are incredibly ugly. And secondly, speech and language therapists should also be freely available. Some incels have spent many years alone, so naturally their social skills has decline. Finally, this idea that women are perfect little angels who don't choose men for shallow reasons (Men do so aswell) needs to end. A significant number of women choose who to date based on their looks, money and status. But looks play a huge part.

@harsh3948 11 ай бұрын

"Finally, this idea that women are perfect little angels who don't choose men for shallow reasons (Men do so aswell) needs to end" It won't. Women will virtue signal and gaslight till hell freezes over but never admit they're shallow

@zeenmuch90 11 ай бұрын

I can see through the mask that this first incel "Tom" has the potential and possibility to find a women. Cosmetic surgery is not a solution. It might apply in certain situations, but who pays for the "free" surgery?

@muhammadhuzaifahmohamedsal2697 11 ай бұрын

yes! this! there is an assumption that women are all angels who wont pick and choose men based on their looks or job status! Go ask ANY woman if they'd date a guy working at Target stacking shelves or taking orders at Taco Bell/KFC. a resounding 99% would say no. The remaining 1% would say yes, provided the guy is good looking!

@thoughts8182 11 ай бұрын

@@zeenmuch90 Well, it's up to them to work hard to earn that money. I've heard of people working day job, coming home getting sleep and then doing a few hours doing some food delivery shifts. If you spend a year working two jobs, you can easily save enough for surgery

@lovejunkie490 11 ай бұрын

@@harsh3948You mean people like attractive people or people that can bring something to the table ? No way ! 😮 thanks captain obvious. 🤦‍♀️ You have to have at least one of that. You don’t need to make 10k a month or look like brad Pitt though but yeah Sherlock, people don’t want to date ugly, overweight people with toxic behavior and personality. Welcome to the real world baby

@epicmckurdi1299 10 ай бұрын

I can’t believe there’s actually a documentary!

@beganitdidnt6535 11 ай бұрын

do these people not know that IT and other people who are not incels go on that site too? lol this is too funny man

@j.d.s.8132 11 ай бұрын

Male IT's are inkwells too, they just lash out at us because we represent what they can never be: Authenticity.

@devaxionrl8189 11 ай бұрын

They’re normies what do you expect dawg

@Lukas-lp2fz 11 ай бұрын

As an Incel Commander I declare war on your institution.

@berrypatchhusbando5263 9 ай бұрын

I may not be an incel (I currently have a wonderful wife and two kids) - but I used to be one. I got extremely lucky. Right place, right time, right person. That being said, I sincerely empathize and identify with these men. If I had found out about inceldom and the redpill/blackpill before I got married... I don't know what kind of state I'd be in now.

@damien4969 10 ай бұрын

I don’t know how to understand or deal with women beating me down for my appearance my whole entire life.

@JohnDoe-pj5qb 11 ай бұрын

Im an incel by definition and i wish there was a distinction because i dont hate women at all. Its myself that is the enemy and i deserve to be in this weird loop of being miserable around women. Why? My thoughts actions, and past experiences tell me that there are always going to be people who end up alone. I and others are not good enough and people like me need proper help like euthanasization. Im not speaking "on behalf of the incels" or anything like that. I blame myself entirely for my circumstances. No one escapes death, why suffer and make others around me miserable? It is not their burden but mine.

@kennylanqua6512 11 ай бұрын

I don't think anyone is to blame if you improve yourself to the best of your ability and put forth effort to meet different types of women yet no woman seemingly finds you sexually/romantically appealing. It is regrettable that the term incel originally just meant perpetually unlucky and now it was hijacked by the media and the internet to mean toxic woman hating neck beard who might also be a potential mass killer with alt-right views

@jonathanpascual5353 11 ай бұрын

You’re not really an incel, per se. Just a lonely person wanting a good relationship, there’s a difference. Therapy can help to unpack your thought patterns, which are honestly unhealthy, so you can work on it and you should be in a better position to find someone to be with.

@SusanChristmas 11 ай бұрын

Find something you are good at and do it. Help others and get out of your own head. Find ways to fall in love with yourself.Take a chance by doing something that is good that you have always wanted to do. Build on your successes life is a journey and a puzzle you can figure it out just give yourself a chance.

@bloodrocuted 11 ай бұрын

Yes but incels don't think like this, they're not the problem in their view, women are. You've done a lot of reflection and that's great 😊

@midnull6009 11 ай бұрын

You are not an incel. You are just a lonely person. It's a very human attribute.