murderers can literally have bipolar tho

Sadly, some times people, with no knowledge, think bipolar and borderline are the same😮

Good grief, I also have bipolar, and I'm the deputy manager of a children's service, it's not a psychosis

​@@liselottenormannsrensen7867I'm a borderline and we aren't evil either I have empathy, sometimes too much empathy and get taken advantage of

well said i know of people with much more psychological conditions than bi polar and they wouldnt hurt a fly so well said.

Would you prefer life in prison or none at all? I would opt for no life. Sorry about your loss 🫂

@@MrRight1000 thankyou. Hmmm based on my personality I wouldn't survive 5 minutes in prison lol if I had the typical traits of a serial killer than I think I'd be OK

Her parents can only visit every 3 weeks. I can't see her friends keeping in touch tbh. It'd be so difficult to maintain it & what do you even talk about? What part of the Wing she cleans? I think she'll kill herself, like Shipman.

@@sarahholland2600. Good….I hope she does!

God bless you and your angel dear

Disgusting isn't it. I really hope some of the administrators are charged with something. They could have stopped this early on but they wanted to sweep controversy under the carpet.

Yeah it's really twisted and sickening. I feel so sorry for them and the Nurses. It must have been a horrible feeling knowing you were going to work and Lucy was on duty and then alarms going off and babies collapsing. There's so many victims outside of the poor babies and parents. She's betrayed so many people. Caused utter devastation

Listen to the podcast about her trial. The doctors apologized for causing her discomfort, not for suspecting her

@katiaoliveira9549 yeah they worded it very carefully!

It's unbelievable.

You just did....

Lucy is NOT sadistic and she is not a murderer

i think you should be very carefull, there is a growing gropu of experts that are starting to question the safety of her conviction

Didn't the judge? Maybe not as damning but he said sadism.

​@@ruthbashford3176 of Lucifer Letby supporter. Or are you Lucy using your phone from prison?

I doubt she ever will be. I don't understand why she never got a full life order.

She will never be released never

She’s up for parole but not put in for parole. I don’t think she wants to be released she’s comfortable we’re she is if she was outside she be hated and knows this.

The psychopaths are evolving to appear normal

Oh my god, capital letters. This must be serious.

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Really? Do you honestly think she'd kept up that act since her childhood? All through school, teenage years, college, everything - not once did the mask slip? Have you seen the interview with Karen Rees, the nursing manager? Do you know there was a confirmed case of sepsis on that very ward at the same time LL was supposedly on her killing spree? And funny that all the babies died with NEC-type symptoms. (can cause air embolism and skew insulin levels and turn the skin purple). Try thinking independently, rather than gobbling up the MSM narrative.

​@@greenfrog6449 if this is so why we're there no experts called to defend LL. THE ONLY WITNESSES CALLED BY DEFENCE WAS A PLUMBER.

I have autism I don't like it

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Even so, they can "stimulate" themselves in other ways, like rock climbing, like skydiving. They could go scuba diving and cut their safety margin of air so they almost run out, or try at-home self-asphyxiation in their shower. They could go swimming in the Thames on an icy cold winter day until they almost freeze. They should risk their OWN lives, not take the lives of innocent little babies. Btw I'm on the autism spectrum and I hate it 😞

Brilliant series by HG TUDOR.

I watched that too, I recommend it for anyone looking for a bit of understanding 🇦🇺 not that it’s understandable 😓

@@sylvia7867 watch more of his videos, he explains narcissism in a way that helped me understand more than anyone else, including a psychologist ♥️

HG did an excellent analysis

HG Tudor. Is Not a psychopath! Psychopaths are killers. He said, with a tongue in the cheek, he is also a narcissist.

So then your lack of desire to hurt people comes from a desire to avoid punishment, right? Because if it comes from a sense of morality, I don't see how you could still be a psychopath.

How did you get certified as a psychopath? During school? During your career?

I think the fact that you know what you are negates the potential for harm. I too know I am not a decent caring person with zero empathy but I know what I am and would never hurt anyone.

As long as you never intentionally hurt anyone, it's true you're not evil. People can definitely lack empathy without being evil.

@user-jr5up9dh You’re full of krap. The only reason you can spell doctor is due to your smart phone.

lorrainesawday : You are so right, Mother Theresa died a very rich woman, let the children in her care wallow in poverty and deprivation and her standard justification was "God works in mysterious ways".

She’s more than a narcissist honey

Negative reactions amongst people are probably the most vanilla thing ever. People react to people, get their feelings hurt. BIG EFFING WHOOP. Plain as ketchup and fries, everyone experiences that. But to actually end a life? That's a different song you singing kid 😂

She is a Psychopath not necessarily a narcissist.

All psychopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are psychopaths. Narcissism is the main trait that drives a psychopath to continue their sick acts and behavior

Comparing internet trolls to serial killers is wild 😮

Load of absolute rubbish, cod psychology at its finest. You've completely fallen for the hype. There's nothing in her character to indicate psychopathy - she kept her friends, was sociable, did well at school and achieved academic success, stable employment, nonviolent upbringing. Most likely the babies died from natural causes - all had "suspected sepsis" in the notes. For such early babies (less than 28 weeks) that would have sounded their death knell. But I appreciate "Baby Serial Killer" is far more exciting and entertaining for the masses and sells newspapers.

? Does he know her?

Yes, fascinating and popularist. But I didn't believe a word of what Dave said in this video Dave taught us criminology at Uni. He is s nice guy.

Spot on.👍

Agree with this. I noticed when she said quietly on arrest I’ve had knee surgery.. again playing the victim wanting sympathy a ploy to get people to think she’s vulnerable and it couldn’t be her I seriously don’t believe she had knee surgery.. I mean when?

Has become? It's always been like that.

I think she was in love with the doctor who was married with children. She saw the children as a barrier to her being with him permanently. Hence, the baby deaths

Yes and that's why I think lucys not a full blown psychopath but a narcissist. All psychopaths are narcissists, but not all narcissists are psychopaths. Narcissism is a spectrum, and people may have psychopathic traits but not be fully psychopathic. Psychopaths don't seem to have the ego conflicts that non-psychopathic narcissists are plagued by. Due to their identity issues, self-regulation problems and difficulties with sustaining self-worth, most narcissists are consumed with needing to see themselves a certain way and they use other people in order to achieve this. Psychopaths don't seem to have these needs, and they don't seem to be very affected by the toxic shame that is a core feature of this type of personality, so they don't need the other person to be "bad" in order to justfiy harming or mistreating them. They don't seem to need any justification at all. Whether the victim can be considered to deserve being abused or mistreated doesn't seem to matter. The true psychopath doesn't NEED to be the good guy. thats f like because they don't struggle with the toxic shame for the self like narcissists. There has found to be similarities in the anatomic features of the brains of people with cluster B personality. This suggests that brain development may also contribute to these disorders.There are anatomic features typical to the brains of individuals with cluster B personality disorders, for example, abnormalities in the superior frontal cortex and amygdala and enlarged striatal volumes. Emotional dysregulation and impulsiveness are 2 prominent symptoms. Psychopaths and pathological narcissists have conditions that are very resistant to change. There doesn't seem yet to be anything to give give them the ability to generate oxytocin, simmer down an overactive reward system, heal a disordered amygdala, strengthen the frontal lobes, or form neuroconnections between their prefrontal cortex and limbic/ reward systems. Pathological narcissists have a condition that impairs the social neuronetworks of the brain. The very regions of the brain that handle how we relate, connect, empathize, manage our emotions, take accountability, reason (socially), inhibit impulses, and practice morality are dysfunctional in this population. There is no therapy that can improve that very complex set of social neuronetworks. In pathological narcissists we see the break-down of affective resonance in their inability to connect deeply with us. To feel with, for, and about us. Different systems within our brain manages different functions and should work together as a cohesive system of you. This condition impacts their social interactions, thought processes, personality and behavior. We rely on these components to be stable when we interact with others - especially our intimate partner. When someone has deficits of this magnitude (pathological narcissism) that means most people will not be able to have a peaceful, cooperative, reciprocal relationship with them. The level of accommodation one would have to extend to maintain a relationship with them will be extreme (e.g., walking on eggshells; always submitting to a fragile ego). We lean on our social neuronetworks within the brainto be able to connect to others; to relate to them; respect and appreciate them. Pathological narcissists cannot do any other those functions because the neuropathways of those brain regions are not functioning as they should. Research findings consistently support the presence of dysfunction within the brain (varying in range) of individuals with pathological narcissism Changing the way they process information, view social interactions, and ‘feel’ (emotional empathy) for others is not something they have the capacity to make happen. However, it is not uncommon for an individual with pathological narcissism to tell their intimate partners that they will change, get better, or do better. This is usually short-lived. The brain disorder will predominate and the pathological narcissists’ manner of thinking and functioning re-emerges. Example - You love and bond with him/her across the span of your relationship, however the individual with pathological narcissism (due to faulty social neuronetworks) will disconnect, become disinterested, and antagonistic, perhaps even hateful across that same time period. Their behavior is in complete opposition to what ‘normals’ do when they are intimately involved and care about someone. Neurobiological abnormalities of this magnitude cannot be altered by the narcissist’s promise to change or “be better.” there will be no change to their emotional processing Emotional processing refers to their ability to form empathy, care, demonstrate morality, and bond. Those are unchangeable. , the neurobiological systems that are responsible for morality, emotional empathy, care for others, impulse control, bonding, fear responsivity, and reward are faulty for pathological narcissists. Those brain systems do not operate the way they should. Hence, the reason they cannot function with genuine love, kindness, or respect toward the people who love them. The interconnections of the ventromedial prefrontal cortex to other areas of the brain are weak and this should not be. This is a huge problem and is likely associated with their immorality and lack of concern for others. There are many regions of the brain, including neurochemistry that are different for those with pathological narcissism. Aside from their minimal empathy, a tendency toward boredom, and aggression, one of the primary facets of their character that creates problems in their relationships is their lack of morality. Because of the symptoms of the condition, they cannot genuinely relate well to others, especially in intimate relationships. Their emotional disorder simply prevents this. they cannot connect and fulfill that deep desire we have to feel bonded to someone. There is no Empathy, Bonding , Appreciation, Trust & Honesty, Moral Reasoning & Care based morality, Respect & Boundaries, Emotional regulation, Accountability, Impulse control in Intimate relationships with pathological narcissists. They do not value or consider the emotions of their partner important. They value self only. Rather than love their partners, the deepest they can reach is to treat them like possessions or objects. Abuse and love are combinations you’ll never find in healthy relationships - Never. Healthy and mature partners instinctively know the line that should not be crossed. They don’t cross it because they love you and care about your feelings - even when they are angry or disappointed in you. Arguments and disagreements cannot erase the extremely deep bond a healthy person has for their partner. They love you, even if they may not like your actions at the moment. Without empathy the relationship is shallow and everyone is disposable. And everyone is just as easily retrieved. Adult narcissist survive through mimicry and mirroring to engage with others to an extreme degree.The act often falls apart pretty quickly, but people may still not see it for what it really is: a clumsy, even desperate attempt to navigate the world by a person who has literally no tools or ability with which to do so, and who will do anything - ANYTHING, including harm other people - to hide the fact that they are having so much trouble. This is not even really about pretending to be a good or interesting person to trick others (though that's often how it works out because it is what works). It's deeper than that. It's about pretending to be a person at all. Narcissists are human beings of course, but many people do not understand how much of a basic personality structure problem there often is here, and how much of a struggle it is for so many of these personalities to simply figure out what are the "normal" things to say and do in everyday life. .Even a dog can eventually learn to do what he is supposed to do when he is supposed to do it. For humans, it is simply a matter of imitating what they see everyone else around them doing. We see it in children all the time. This is a survival adaptation and it works pretty well for adult narcissists in short term or superficial interactions. It is when more depth is required that it starts to fall apart and can be more easily seen through. For non psychopathic narcissists everything they do is about narcissistic supply with everyone all the time, including strangers and themselves...The ego of narcissistic personalities is disordered, dysfunctional and deficient. It's dependent on the input from others in order to function. The ego is the part of us that speaks as "I." The ego is directly tied to our sense of self, our identity. In other words, among other things, narcissists are dependent on others to achieve or maintain a sense of self. Narcissistic supply is how the narcissistic personality continues to function to have any semblance of self worth they are unable to create due to their dysfunction and prevent they becoming suicidal due to their deep feelings of shame and self hatred that they suppress and deny.

This comment is very irrelevant. What has that got to do with these babies being murdered.

​@@VickyHill-sz4dosuspicious behavior from a person regarded as above suspicion is dismissed, making it easier for them to get away with suspicious activity... duh

Self protection and unprecedented like some stuff politically here in USA.

Cameras everywhere and always having someone with her

Suelynngrr - the doctor "strikes a chord of truth"???? What is your professional analysis then?

@@elizabethshannon24 My opinion, which I stated 10 months ago. You don't like it? Too bad.

Me, too.

My understanding is that it's a bandied around myth most phsycopaths do not start with animals according to research & medical literature

Because most of them are

Many surgeons have a steady hand for a reason

Because a lot of them are. Especially surgeons.

I've heard the infant deaths there have decreased dramatically, yes.

You liar!! ​@@zxyatiywariii8

The deaths ceased with her gone

100% agree. Lucy pleading not guilty has just added another trauma to the parents. They have been through so much its heartbreaking.

Absolutely

Well, they showed the "usual" reaction to this kind of allegations: denial, accusing the informants, burying their heads in the sand. You can see these reactions at hospitals in every similar case. The only exception were the responsible persons of one of the leading german hospitals - the Charite in Berlin. As soon as there were allegations against a cardiologist they suspended him, the allegations proved right after a police investigation

I'd say the hospital is liable for keeping her.

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Why aren't these places fully videoed so everywhere is monitored, especially when deaths are occurring

Totally agree. Hence why this interview is purely speculations

Could it be that she is the victim of some form of abuse e.g. Physical, Sexual or even S.R.A.

She wrote about hate, she hated herself and I believe she had good reason to hate herself. I also believe people who hate themselves project that out onto others.. misery loves company and she found her misery to be less painful when she created misery in others she wasn't so alone. I bet she will love prison because she will be around misery.. easing her anxiety. She won't be so alone.

It probably is not anything to do with her childhood, it is something already in her mind as explained in the video, so sad for the families affected.

Exactly - this guy is just pulling garbage out from his arse.

I’m sure it was a real pained expression. I wish the neo-natal unit would have installed cameras.

Will Lucy get deflowered in the big house?

Nonsense. You're seeing what you want to see

Oh dear. You've watched too many Whodunnits on the telly.

true ...she lapped up the attention

Yes of course they do, I was married to a sociopath, and the first time I ever cried. He came rushing over, crouched down and was fascinated by my emotion.

Narcissism does seem more prevalent especially with social media being so popular . Not sure if it so because social media is encouraging narcissism or is exposing it a lot more .

@@joycejnn I think the latter. True narcissism develops in early childhood.

It's ALL being misidentified. It's simply demons. There are various types of demons. And people being affected by those various demons are assigned different labels called "personality disorders"

I think they are born with it, and as in other videos she was loved by her Parents and had a good childhood

Excellent! Here in USA, I have delved into this what with the political environment. If you know what I mean.

This is nothing new. We've known for years that genes get passed down the generations - including the ones that make you more liable to commit crime.

I’m sorry you have had to deal with all of that. God bless you. May you find healing and help and be surrounded with love. ❤

Being psychotic is completely different to be a psychopath. Hopefully you're not a qualified mental health nurse.

You mean psychopathic? As psychotic means something else

In love with that doctor; first thought of munchausen

Hope the judge made sure to tell her that he made no apology for slapping a life sentence on her. She’ll probably continue to claim victim status if she doesn’t receive champagne and caviar as part of her daily meal allowance.

But he's not hot

​@@jjr1728what on earth does that even mean?

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Because he would be pilloried. For what? Having an affair. The killings began before he joined the hospital

I read he has an injunction

If they did, he and his family wouldn't be able to live a normal life anymore.

It doesn’t make any difference to the case.

@@Christina-or4hx That's ok, he is using the appropriate ointment.

And you think that won't have happened already?

Yeah because that's about as reliable as phrenology...

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But they didn't bother.

Don't. In my opinion she was assaulted when she was preverbal by someone

​@@k.h.walker2378that is a terrible thing to say. Youare blaming the parents? For shame. They must be living in hell

I think it’s their fault

Why? They probably had a hand in making a monster....

I feel sorry for her Parents too, in other videos it was said her Parents treated her well and gave her a good childhood.

The reason more babies died was because many more were being admitted to the Hospital than usual. CHECKED

Because of shock and unprecedented.

No with a capital NO ..... HG Tudor gives the best Psychological breakdown of Lucy Letby ..Without a shadow of a doubt. Put in HG Tudor Lucy Letby in the YT search... His videos will blow you away.. (He uses a voice changer in his videos... He does not want to be identified.. But he has a PhD in Phycology and knows everything about human phycology) Kind regards Brian

​@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206 HG does not have PHD in psychology, as good as he is !

Listen to HG Tudor's step-by-step analysis, it's very interesting, even though it doesn't come from a qualified person. He's truly an expert in all matters narcissism.

@@laurabeeeeeeee He actually does

@@feanorian21maglor38 HG Tudor actually DOES have qualifications in psychology.. and yes he is indeed AWESOME!

That was outrageous.

Think about it though.. male serial killers have their 'type' and they have their modus operandi with no qualms in carrying out their devious attacks.. Bundy with his sling on, Son of Sam would sneak up on couples and blast them with a gun etc. Female serial killers have the same urge but they lack the strength. They are a lower level risk takers. But they figure it out eventually and the majority of them end up looking after babies, children and the elderly. It's horrific and sad. Yet fascinating to many.

She was, herself, a premie.

@@fauxpinkytoo Premie?

I know a lot of people who went to nursing school and they are all narcissistic

@@lela888interesting

That behavior most likely was only present around 'safe' parents, who most likely enabled and looked the other way. They KNOW their child, perhaps not that she was murdering!

@@beverlyballard3845 right, but true psychopaths as defined by psychology texts have a history of conduct disorders that don’t come out just around a certain set of persons. That’s what I’ve read, at least

@@coletteHawk Well, I have life experience, and KNOW they can be SWEET little nannys to ALL that comes close; except for me, her daughter, my whole life! It's called NPD, and scapegoat! They can control themselves VERY well and FOOL all as they RUIN a life on the side! Peace to you! Book studies mean nothing in detecting them.

@@coletteHawk Lucy's scapegoats were the babies unable to speak up, so she raged out her vile on them, then got to revel in the 'saving' or NOT; either way Lucy was SUPPLIED. Doubt she was gentle with ANY of them babies when noone wS looking; the heel pricks etc. They feel nothing for another, only 'feeding' themselves

Learn narc abuse the little shaman on yt is excellent she is a psychologist and a survivor!!

That wasn't said

An interesting snippet of info. Power!

Epstein, Gates, Soros, Schwab.

Tell that to the parents

​@@janlittle2148I was responding to 8:50 ish pointing out that CEO psychopaths are incredibly deadly. They can destroy entire communities and regions resulting in death on a massive scale. Obviously it would be insensitive and out of context to say that to the grieving parents who were victims of a serial killer.

You could also argue that a lot of politicians are psychopaths in suits you look at how many people die due to decisions they make especially going to war how many people die due to war.

Absolutely

Shame that you can't spell so!

Quite a few are traffic wardens.

And then lied in court over 20 times under oath during her trial.......I can't think why any innocent person would do that....

If you're a nurse have you not considered the chaos and short staffing on that ward? The sewage leak from the floor above? Junior doctors attempting to insert canulas several times more than is safe? That there was a confirmed case of sepsis on that very same ward at the same time LL was supposedly on her killing spree? That all the babies died with NEC-type symptoms? That thru her entire childhood LL had never showed disturbing behaviour, kept her friends and was an academic high achiever? Does none of that strike you as significant - or do you prefer the drama of a psycho serial killer on the loose, as brought to you by MSM? Try thinking independently and logically. Go on, I dare you to question the narrative. Play devil's advocate - /just for fun and see what conclusions you draw.

@@greenfrog6449 Honestly I guess I do not know for sure either way. You make some good points. I just happen to believe the evidence against her. And the forensic profile they established on her. I’m more inclined to believe she’s more guilty than not. I could be wrong.

An interesting observation.

That's a fascinating idea.

k.h.walker : on what basis do you come to this conclusion? You say " no doubt".

Sadly, if she wasn’t doing it so often, if she was only doing a few here or there, she would’ve got away with it

We are ALL narcissists to a different degree.

We are in USA wondering.

Well, she was unmarried and didn't have kids. And these couples had children, which she probably wanted. The sense of failure is a trait in all narcissists.

Do you think it was someone else? Or you think the deaths were natural? I don’t see how it couldn’t be her.

Narcs operate multiple facades always looking to meet the prime aims. Watch HG Tudor’s analysis.

It’s a bit like child abusers one boys mother would beat him daily and if the phone rang she would stop beating him answer the phone and speak as sweetly and kindly as anyone then put the phone down and continue with the beating. I remember him saying it in a documentary. It’s all an act. So awful.

@@feanorian21maglor38 yes but not a good enough reason to risk your whole life in jail. A narcissist might of wanted to do it. And also take pleasure in the parents sadness when a baby didn’t make it. But it’s a big leap from that to actually doing it yourself and putting your whole life at risk. I just can’t see it ? The risk v reward doesn’t add up

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She started killing the babies before he even started at the hospital, the prosecutor used it to show her as a liar, she didn’t have feelings for him she was using him to appear more normal - she is an expert at appearing normal

Do you really believe at 25, she thought her chance of a family was over? Her medical condition was treatable as well.

Agreed most people wouldn't think at 25 they couldn't have a family. But some can think their life is passing them by if friends are getting married. Also everyone Lucy had dealings with at work were having children. It must have been into the thousands. That would magnify any personal hangups.

She wrote that cause she knew she was headed to prison.

Almost certainly she is guilty.

Yes, I've followed the podcasts twice and it's obvious she's up to her neck in guilt. Thank God the police stepped in when they did and were very quickly onto Letby and her little whiter than white acts.

I’ve heard that psychopath’s Amygdala (part of the brain) is smaller or reacts differently than a person not predisposed to psychopathy. But do your homework as I am far from being a physician!

I think there has been some work done but the jury is still out on the matter. Nature versus nurture problem.

Yes, brain scans have been done & can show the region of the brain where psychopathy exists.

I saw something on this, about a neuroscientist who did work in this and found from his own brainscan that he was a phychopath himself. I can't remember the name but am sure if you search you'll find it.

Institute of anatomy has an excellent youtube video on the brain of a psychopath.and yes..the differences are visible on fMRI.

@danswhite8544 does there need to have already been an affair?

Oh dear. Somebody has been watching too many Whodunnits on the telly.

Well it hasn't worked out too well......