Interpretation of dall'Agocchie's 1572 sword form

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Ilkka Outo

Ilkka Outo

8 жыл бұрын

We always look to prove our interpretations of the techniques described in the sources, sometimes even desperately. We try to fit them in a system or a framework, we consider whether they are sound in a given context and we try to execute them in sparring and competition. While all of these are important and help us approach the truth we can never reach, they come with their downsides.
The systems and frameworks are interpretations just like the individual techniques. As result of our modern way of thinking they can easily be misleading, unless we dig deep into the way the arts and sciences and their instruction worked in the past centuries.
The question of context is challenging, as there are so many variables in play. The techniques for war, competition, the duel and self-defence were different, even if based on the same principles. If we mistake the context, we run the risk of validating our interpretation against false parameters.
Effectiveness in sparring and competition is a good test, but often it tests more the individual than the technique or interpretation. A good swordsman can make even the wrong interpretation work in a fight and likewise an unexperienced fencer can fail even the most basic technique with the most agreed interpretation. Finally the actuality of combat with live blades in earnest and the mindset of the duellis is known to few swordsmen today, and without taking it into account we can hardly understand all the nuances of the techniques the masters describe.
In the Bolognese tradition we are fortunate to have been given an additional method of validating our interpretations. Being riddled with forms the works of Achille Marozzo, Antonio Manciolino and Giovanni dall'Agocchie present us a way that immediately tells us whether we are on the right path. Working together with Fabio Serraglio, a fellow researcher and swordsman from La Sala delle Armi, who is one the few people to have studied dall'Agocchie's form with great diligence.
Without rehearsals we decided to work through the form so that I would be giving the attacks the way I have interpreted them, and Fabio would go through the form the way he has interpreted it. Though being exactly the way it should be, we were amazed to see everything fall together piece by piece, enabling us to play through the entire sequence without any pause or problem on the first attempt! Coming to the same conclusions in such a compatible way while working in isolation validates our interpretations beyond anything else I can think of. More than simply interpreting singular actions, we approach the movement dynamic of the style behind them.
This is the teaching of Giovanni dall'Agocchie made alive once again.

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@TheArcadianKing
@TheArcadianKing 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff!
@AdelaideSwordAcademy
@AdelaideSwordAcademy 8 жыл бұрын
congratulations! We love for moments like this.
@AdelaideSwordAcademy
@AdelaideSwordAcademy 8 жыл бұрын
i mean live. But i love this Too!
@monkeyishi
@monkeyishi 8 жыл бұрын
+Adelaide Sword Academy i love for moments like this to
@nullifye7816
@nullifye7816 Жыл бұрын
It's a Bach fugue in sword form. True genius on Dall'Agocchie's part.
@stefanogrillo6040
@stefanogrillo6040 7 жыл бұрын
bravo!
@stefanogrillo6040
@stefanogrillo6040 7 жыл бұрын
i dont like at 0:31.
@pompadour_gagarin1723
@pompadour_gagarin1723 7 жыл бұрын
That's a very nice demonstration! I'm coming from a Japanese swordsmanship background and I've felt how such sword forms can bring together two people studying the same style, even though they might know nothing of each other. They're an excellent social bridge in addition to their obvious martial worth. I've been encouraged to look into Dall'Agocchie thanks to your work and since you're doing the part of the attacker in this precise form, I wanted to ask you how did you fill in the blanks of the text since the descriptions of the actions are quite clear for the student's side, but not so much for the attacker's one (especially, how should s/he reacts to the student's own counters, softly or hardly?). Do you ''simply'' use appropriate defenses described earlier in the source, linking them with the sequence of attacks of the form? I think I've seen some sudden retreats during certain phases and I linked them with the lack of precision regarding the attacker's footwork and general behavior (but I may be wrong obviously). I know I'm used to clear instructions for both parties in the paired forms I practice, so that this one was a bit puzzling, on paper at least. But then I'm also used to learn the attacker's side of the forms only much later after having learned and practiced the student's part so... Anyway, thank you for the videos and texts about Bolognese fencing, it's quite a fascinating style!
@garychin5321
@garychin5321 Жыл бұрын
You R Correct Pompadour; Western Swordsmanship are often under-appreciated and overlooked; even by Westerners....Since; it is regarded as a more Gentlemanly Form Of Abstract Combat; similarly to Marquess of Queensberry Rules in Hand-To-Hand; Boxing... Humans and especially Gentlemen.....; and I strenuously emphasise the Term: "Scholarly-Gentleman"....Throughout Recorded History; From all Colours; Creed, Backgrounds and Denominations....Would only draw His Sword in Rage; as an act of Last Resort! A well-Proportioned Sword is the "Protection" of Choice for all Scholarly Classes Universally;...... up until very modern Times.... It is a "Fine" thing U R doing to Preserve your Art! Here; is my dimes worth; from Someone who had grown-up with Martial Arts as a Major Part Of My Inherited Culture:- This is a bit of shameless; cross-fertilisation from the Far-East; I hope U Guys will forgive me! ....But have U fellows heard of the following.... O-Mei Kung Fu Demonstration ( Shark City 2010 ). O-Mei is a Caste of Kung Fu most Westerner know little about....such as Choi-Lay-Fat and Hasayfu.... But; once again; the European "Italian"; Giovanni dall'Agocchie's Sword and Rotella form to all Purists is worth much due merit;....Universally..... As other protagonist such as: Achille Marozzo; Antonio Manciolino; Fabio Serraglio and other swordsmans from the La Sala delle Armi School.
@zeroa6
@zeroa6 8 жыл бұрын
Hello Ilkka!... one question: Do you know a reliable sword site in USA, for buy this tipe of training sideswords?. I keep learning from your videos, never stop!. I really love the channel. Thank you very much.
@marksteven6116
@marksteven6116 6 жыл бұрын
very similar to broad sword
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