Right? And everyone seems to forget that Lovecraft was legitimately insane. Like literally possessing a LOT of mental health problems. And they leave out the whole “growing out of it” thing he did toward the end of his life.

Brock Samson he literally married a Jewish woman which is one of the groups he was afraid of 😂

Social justice warriors that condemn people for being normal in their culture have mental issues. They are the modern village idiots but somehow the king listens to the idiot as if he is a wise sage.

Ferdinand amen

The key is not pretending that something was what it wasn't. Lovecraft was hilariously racist and terrified of anyone who wasn't WASP, he still wrote good stories. It's simple as that.

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There was a great documentary on Amazon Prime that mentioned near his death his opinions on things started to change. So, I can only imagine that if he lived longer, he might have changed as a person.

That’s very interesting thank you! I agree and appreciate the idea that people grow and move past old ideas as they get out into the world and test ideas

​@@justintasker2347most people do. Some, more than others

people act like he was a klansman most people across the world harbor prejudices and especially back then I doubt his opinions were that far out of mainstream american thought on race relations.

H.P. Lovecraft highly praised Robert E Howard(author of "Conan the Barbarian") for his horror writing. They corresponded through letters quite a bit. Howard wrote a decent collection of Horror, some of it set in the Cthulu Mythos. I agree with Lovecraft's assessment, Howard definitely was an undeniable talent.

Aye. He violates the ”show, don't tell“ rule throughout, but somehow he manages to pull it off, to make you fill in the blanks he only hints at. He keeps telling you something is too horrible to describe, and rather than making that sound like lazy storytelling, he somehow makes you imagine your worst nightmare and something beyond.

Horror babble right? I love that channel

You should check out, "Conan the Barbarian" author, Robert Howard"s Stories that he wrote within the Cthulu Mythos. Lovecraft thought very highly of Howard's ability as a Horror writer.

@@jaded9234 I actually collected Conan comics growing up long before I ever heard of Lovecraft and I think (not completely positive) I’ve read all his Cthulhu mythos stories since. Finding that connection between Howard and Lovecraft led me to Clark Ashton Smith, August Derleth, Robert Bloch and the couple others (unfortunately can’t remember their names at the moment) in the Lovecraft circle. It’s crazy the amount of material Howard created before his death at 30 years old.

I've known of conan, basically, my entire life. I heard the quote of Lovecraft's where he calls Howard a true master of horror writing. That was when I listened to a collection of Howard's horror stories(both, Cthulu mythos and non-Cthulu mythos-related). There are many and I've only disliked one short story(though, that wasn't because the story wasn't written well).

Because he’s not SJW enough.

He is to good

@Josh M yes. A fellow rememberer of when the Sci-Fi channel was a thing. The serial shows, the docuseries shows, and the movies were so good then. Even the "reality" shows they had were good, im pretty sure that's the channel that had the Tracy Morgan horror prank show

@@aceundead4750 And then, they put Generic Strong Female Exec in charge, and she decided the channel needed to move away from it's "limited audience". About the time they changed from Sci-Fi channel to SuFy....which sounds a pet name for one's favorite venereal disease. Ugh.

They cant handle the Quinn

I prefer „Dagon“ as one of the shorter stories I’d recommend. It isn’t that vague, and directly shows the reader what that whole Mythos thing is about.

I thoroughly enjoy the Dream-scape stories. Unknown Kadath is the pinnacle

Hmm, it's funny, I think it's one of his clumsiest and worst stories. The protagonists are extra stupid even for typical Lovecraft protagonists, the writing is not very good, and the "twist" is pretty cheesy. I definitely wouldn't recommend it for a first read. I would recommend something like the Color out of Space : medium-length, but very representative of his brand of cosmic horror and directly plunges into the unknown and the truly alien.

The Whisperer in Darkness is a good introductory one. Not too creepy till your walking home alone on a dark night.

Nice catch! Also the fact that people in the Black/White Lodge sometimes speak in reverse, or are represented by non-human objects do point towards cosmic horror as you note.

mouth of madness

No sorry but twin peaks is based on Native American religion

@@malkavil I agree that is the best Lovecraft movie 2nd to that is dagon

@@rajanaga3538 No Sorry but I thinking the understanding did not welcome to your consciousness.....

My only conceit is what would an artist have to do to lose your support what line can never be crossed?

@@snatchadams69 An excellent question and hard to answer. I think committing or being complicit in murder or child abuse would cross the line. For instance, the more knowledge I obtained of Roman Polanski's history, it built into an aversion to seeing his films. However he did make an important film about the holocaust and he is a holocaust survivor. That does not counteract his convicted crimes, but it creates a dilemma. One I have avoided by avoiding the film in question. That takes one back to the Old Ones - the fear they inspire is their indifference to humanity, which is the trademark of a human psychopath, they are an expression of humanity's own dark side in that regard. It would be interesting to research how many great artists were psychopaths or sociopaths.

I agree with you mostly. But it can be a problem with living artists because they can still cause damage. if an artist Is homophobic supporting them will help them spread homophobia on social media or through political donations even if it isn't obvious in their art. It is a lot more complicated when it comes to the living

@Gasper Vidovic possibly they are referencing JK Rowling and the fact she seems to be so transphobic, she had to write an essay explaining her transphobia, chose a homophobic/transphobic pen name for her transphobic story, and retweeting TERF talking points.

@@juliankirby9880 you're a talentless smear merchant

agreed

Event Horizon, one of my alltime favourites. sam neil was creepy as hell in it

Never watch before sleep...... nasty dreams if your mind allows you to sleep that night.

No more 40k

I mean 40k does have a good amount of lovecraftian feel from the tyranids, Necrons, and the warp. Hell 40k has the "Old Ones" in it as a precursor race who went to war with the C'tan and created the Orcs and Eldar to fight them before they mysteriously disappeared

Agreed. Mountains of madness had me on the edge of my mental seat the entire way through. The introduction itself is quite a hook, it feels very natural, the way someone would only feel compelled to retell the horrors they witnessed in order to warn and potentially save a future expedition.

True, the whole shoggoth part burned itself into my brain

B.J. Harrison of the classic tales podcast has a good reading of at the mountains of madness and the music of Erich zann

Sorry to revive an old thread but you're just too right!!! Huge ranges of sci fi and horror tropes come from this story: going mad from a reveal, the dynamic of a high-tech precursor race that was wiped out by an even scarier precursor race (halo, alien, mass effect, StarCraft), found footage (paranormal activity), an inherently hostile universe (three body problem, SCP)

HorrorBabble is a great channel! I listen to them all the time

Do you mean sci-fi and horror or sci-fi/horror? I think his influence is pretty heavy in both honestly and even high fantasy to an extent. He is probably the single most influential writer in general fantasy/fiction since Jules Verne and HG Wells.

@@DeathBYDesign666 I'd include Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, Tolkien and Lewis in that circle of influential writers, but otherwise I agree.

@@DeathBYDesign666 Also, Philip K. Dick. Can't believe I left him off...

Lovecraft is difficult to read and I'm actually really surprised his personal works get so much attention. I read In the Mountains of Madness recently and its got repetitive overly difficult language and all the monsters tend to be fishy tentacled monsters. I wouldn't call Lovecraft my favorite but if you've ever read Stephen King (coincidentally one of my all time favorite writers) then you will feel the overwhelming power of Lovecraft's influence within the cosmic horror of his works Modern horror owes its existent to Lovecraft but I don't love Lovecraft's books by themselves. I find his books to be like interesting fossils from another time that should be dusted off and examined occasionally so that we can appreciate the great horror authors and film makers that came after.

@@samieltheinfamous Yeah I agree with that too, but I was going for more of a first wave of the particular genres type influence. Lovecraft was definitely the first of his kind and only a single generation later than the others I mentioned. You forgot Herbert as well.

me too. His videos convey the story in a super interesting way.

I knew this quote via Metallica LONG before I even heard of Lovecraft 🤘

Also, that which is dead may never die, but risesagain, stronger and harder. 🤣

It's "That is not dead which may eternal lie, and with strange eons, even death may die"

FACTS

What exactly did you enjoy? The racism?

@@pinkimietz3243 no I actually hated the racism part. And honestly, before I read any lovecraft, I didn't know about his bigoted views. So its actually important that Quill addresses this in his video. I can still enjoy the cosmic horror aspect of HP Lovevraft's work. Even if it is tainted by his appalling views.

Pinki Mietz did you even watch this video?

@@pinkimietz3243 the racism is quite laughable and easy to ignore. His writing style is fantastic and his Stories are fascinating. Why do his weird race focused lines once in a while through you off so much? Ye its stupid. But its Not at all the focus of his work.

@@pinkimietz3243 lol 🤣😂 you are moron. Go f**k yourselk kid.

Nyarlathotep has the title 'The God of a Thousand Forms' so I can believe one of them is a cute anime girl lol.

The necrotelecomnicon. I think Pratchett grew out of parodying Lovecraft fairly quickly though.

The color from out of space is a Lovecraft story.

I should hope it has lovecraft enargy, he did write it.

you may add Robert W. Chambers, Lord Dunsany, Jules Verne, Charles Dickens, Bram Stoker..

Also Algernon Charles Swinburne and Alexander Pope.

@@wj2429 Unfamiliar with *_Swinburne._* Was he influential because *Lovecraft* considered himself a throwback to an earlier time? Or did he actually have some particularly spooky works as well?

@@CaesiusX I think Swinburne was a very direct influence on Lovecraft's style and he considered Swinburne's poetry to be some of the finest ever written. Swinburne did occasionally touch upon quite macabre subjects, so I think it is a combination of both your questions.

@@wj2429 Well, I'm really glad you made note of him. I'm looking forward to discovering his work. I just finished glancing at a family tree they had on his Wikipedia page. A great many delightfully hardcore Victorian British names! 😊

That's awesome. Got any good examples on human mysteries and oddities? Cheers.

How do you feel about the discovered works that pre dated Egypt? Masons to this day cannot recreate some of stonework found.

@@erictko85 two symbols for gods and people that carried on for the longest of times. Cybele and the Staff God of the Andes. Cybele was depicted before agriculture even became a thing and she used to be presented very differently. Originally she was morbidly obese and her back was flayed to the bone. Then of course there's various settlements that we know nothing about that seemed to just be eaten by the jungles in Indonesia.

@@notlessgrossman163 it's not surprising. We've been making things for a long long time. Also I doubt it's impossible for masons to accomplish.

NotLess Grossman You mean like Göbekli Tepe? As far as the pyramids are concerned. It’s not a matter of their construction being impossible for us in the modern era (it’s just a pile of blocks), but rather how did they going about building them with the level of technology and the resources that they had, and why did they even bother to invest so much man hours and resources into doing it, and (as with lesser known mega/monoliths) what purpose did the project or end structure serve?

I thought I was the only one who does this. Lovecraft read by Gordon Gould is my favorite.

@@user-uu5ff8ch7h Depends on the story for me, different stories lend themselves to different voices, in my opinion anyway.

@Cult Mechanicus It's not deep. It's just another "god work in mysteries ways-excuse". Everything can be "explained" by that. Except, it's never can or will give any answers. Take the Problem of evil; it won't explain that. There are only three answers; either god isn't good, isn't all powerful or doesn't exist. It's really not that complicated.

Alan Moore ( 🎵🎶🎵“knows the score”🎵🎶🎵, one for the teenagers there) is a space wizard, so he would know.

I thought Alanis Morissette was God?

@@nqabandlwana5040 Hmm, what is that? Could you please explicate?

@@Welther47 No, my friend, you don't understand Moore's point. The idea, the concept of the god IS the god; it doesn't have to physically or supernaturally exist. For examples, look to Neil Gaiman's American Gods, or the earlier writings of Harlan Ellison, Paingod, the god of money, etc... modern 20th and 21st century gods. Read Alan Moore's Promethea series, or at least the interview with him I linked to above. These are Models and Metaphors.

This would be amazing. Emperor be praised!

The parallels it has with Dune make it pretty cool to me as a Dune fan. And with Lovecraft. Seems a cool thing for Quinn to talk about!

I don’t think he’s into all that.

It's a boring universe based off toys. At first it seems cool, then you realize just how predictable it is. And how stale it is. Nothing meaningful every changes because again, it's based off toys. You can't have something like the Dune saga in 40k, you can't have something like the fall of the Hegemony (Hyperion) in 40k simply because it's a static setting by design. Oh and don't get me started on the awful books...

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Sounds like heresy in there : not all of the lore is good right, but sounds like you dont considere humanity's situation in 40k. It's a post apocaliptic universe, where humans are just dying : this is theire last stand but they wont do it against thau and other races. Tyranids are by far the nearest representation of galactic terror I've seen in many other fantasy universes for a long time, and if you take all the time line, you have the same kind of enormous time scale that Dune can provide. I'm a BIIIIG fan of dune and true there is no comparaison, but is it a valuable reason to put down all of 40 lore ? I havent played RPG for years and still is interested in the lore.... but right you got one point for sure : 40k books are defenetly not good at all (except the fisrt book on horus heresy)

I’m wondering the same thing. I could listen to this voice all day.

No doubt. He is a very eloquent man with a unique tone of voice.

The Willows was Lovecraft's favorite weird fiction story. It's really good.

The Jaunt will be stuck in my head forever. I think for me it's one of the scariest stories I've read.

@@Shayoni It's my favorite short of kings

Check out the channel Horrorbabble for awesome narrations of all the author's you mentioned

@@liamdonovan6456 I have them all in a personal playlist

MY GOD CARES NOT FROM WHENCE THE BLOOD FLOWS SO LONG AS IT FLOWS! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Hell yeah.

It's really pretty good. But Lovecraft purists might not like the shoggoths.

I like Metallica's call of Ctulu. Very operatic.

He is a woke fool who said fuck all cops.. etc dont get your hope up...

I call it an atmospheric style.

HP also deserves to be recognized as a virulent racist; one for whom even his own times cannot possibly excuse some of the shit he said and wrote about some human beings. he was a full-on White Supremacist . "So long as modern stories of white genocide, superpredators, and the alleged master race find fertile ground on American soil, the contemporary relevance of Lovecraft will extend beyond what some fans care to admit. His bigotry and race-inflected narratives can’t be wished away, cherry-picked, or swept under the rug in favor of his more widely known literary techniques and accomplishments-especially as hell-bent right-wing insurgents proudly claim him as a true elaborator of reactionary horrors. His stories and politics are still breathing, even the most defiled and rotten among them."

@@rdecredico It was no white supremacist at all. That's so unfounded. This allegations have to stop. Even Joshi, the main HLP living researcher, at the end of his bio says it is overblown. And by the way.... if you see all that racism in lovecraft stories then you can see everywhere.

@@Shinji72 It is NOT unfounded. It is in his writing. You have clearly not read his entire catalog of works. Thus, you are ignorant. And wrong. And this is not really even open for debate. And I say this as a huge fan of his work. Modern Sci fi and fantasy owe him a large debt of gratitude but the man was a piece of fucking shit as a human being., a virulent racist and a white supremacist. So stop with your fucking revisionism.

@@rdecredico have u read the letter that he wrote in his last year of life when he addresses that he was wrong and a reactionary and becomes a socialist sympathizer?? is not like that clean all his work simbolic meaning but is to this point boring and sad seeing the same moralist critique without pointing his change of views and only helps the supremacists that try to ingore that to be able to apropiate his work for them, like in the same way how Freud telling in his last years that homosexuality is normal and that he was wrong was ignored for all his critics making only that homophobes could apropiate psychoanalysis to create conversion therapy

oooh yeah.

King is clearly influenced by HPL. His prose style, his visions, some of his stories. Parts of the Dark Tower especially draw on Lovecraft. The short stories Crouch End and Jerusalem's Lot are clearly homage to HPL.

@@BrianSurratt is this an argument, or just a fun fact?

Brian Surratt Aren’t we all? However, In the Mouth of Madness includes a character somewhat based on Stephen King, so it’s not only Lovecraft upon Lovecraft, there’s a direct reference to S. King.

@@existenceisrelative fun fact. Sharing info for people who aren't familiar with HPL and King.

According to the makers, its a Slannesh Demon from 40k. Look it up, lol.

@OME ACER Having watched anime since the 70's,I can just remember seeing black and white Kimba The White Lion on TV as well as Space Battleship Yamato and Macross back in the day, I agree that the golden age of anime was from around 81' or so to around 96'. There was a unique quality to it and many things were fairly distinct. Akira is good and was important, probably the best thing about it is the soundtrack,but hardly unmatched. The Royal Space Force from 87' is more impressive and Nausicca does a better job at condensing a long story. Grave Of The Fireflies and Only Yesterday are some of the most adult anime and Otaku No Video had far more moxie than Ninja Scroll could ever hope to have. Ninja Scroll has style but little substance as with most of Kawajiri's films. It's a fun ride but it was nothing really new Even in 93'. While no one is going to outdo the biting commentary of Otaku No Video. I l do like Ninja Scroll and Kawajiri's works,have them all on disc. Evangelion is probably the pinnacle of anime being,much like Gunbuster,a summation of anime history up to that point. But it's not surprising since Anno and the rest of Gainax are insanely well versed in obscure anime and filled all their stuff with references while somehow keeping it fresh and interesting. I like the Ghost In The Shell TV show but it doesn't compare to the movies. That's due in large part to director Mamoru Oshii's style. Ever since Beautiful Dreamer and Angel's Egg he has been one of the most interesting and different anime creators. The 95' GITS has a lot in common with Angel's Egg in terms of tone and images. The entire film has a Zen like quality and a focus on spiritually and philosophy that the TV show doesn't have,even though the director of the show was a student of Oshii's. The show is easier to digest and is good for sure but I find myself going back to the film far more. Can't wait for the 4K disc next month. The only film that outdoes it for Oshii is Patlabor 2 which is one of the best anime ever made and something that would never be made here.

There are a lot of authors bringing new and unique things out but many just are overlooked and are ahead of their time. Like Lovecraft. He wasn’t widely regarded and praised for his work until after his death.

@@thelemmiebee ... or millennials aren't as talented as those that came before them.

Motley Motley True, but modern media has become too dependent and derivative of IPs from the past. The lack of creativity by modern creatives is shocking. I thought art forms were supposed to progress with time, not stagnate.

Fucking love Ninja Scroll

It really is! Think if all people like him actually used their fears and irrational hatred of outsiders in a more creative fashion. Isn't that the best way to express those feelings, instead of using bigotry and violence? He should be praised for the example he sets in that respect. He turned his prejudices into art and inspired generations in the process. I doubt any of his modern proponents can say the same.

@ryne green I think people worry too much about those long dead, rather than their own prejudices, behaviors and contributions. Being offended is a choice, and no one can get someone else to join in their fear and hatred unless said someone chooses to.The onus lies with those who make that choice, not those who merely made expression of their feelings. Additionally, Lovecraft expressed regret for those attitudes later in life. I also think it's possible to enjoy his stories without letting whatever it is that's objectionable in them bother one. I'm a godless heathen myself, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia just because they're a thinly-veiled xian allegory. I'll stop ranting now, sorry about the word-vomit.

Omry Goldwasser I disagree with your assertion that Lovecraft was racist. That’s like claiming he was xenophobic because he suggested that aliens could be evil. The ethnic characters in his stories are represented exactly as they were perceived by society (Africa was the dark continent, voodoo was evil, native religions were pagan). Even when he talks about the Cthulhu cult, he only states what they believe. He does not pass judgment on them. Any derogatory comments in the stories were made by characters who represented the normal public at that time.

To be fair, most people had rampant prejudices at the time. Lovecraft was a xenophobe, he also feared and distrusted whites outside his immediate community.

I don’t think he was a fan of most people no matter what color they were. His use of the word “niggardly” is misinterpreted as a racial slur but that word was first used around 1500 A.D. and has nothing to do with the slur. 🙂👍

@@ScooBdont I'm pretty sure the slur is derived from the country Niger in central Africa, but I could be wrong about that.

@CounterIntuit the more you know 🤷‍♂️

I agree! Just enough camp and just enough Lovecraft.

I'd also recommend The Endless in that vein.

Both awesome.

Yes, definitely John Carpenter was influenced by Lovecraft. I absolutely love In the Mouth of Madness, a perfect meshing of Steven King and Lovecraft directed by a genius of Sci-fi Horror. Also The Thing as interpreted by Carpenter is a defining film not just as a Horror movie but a master class in suspense, tension and fear of the unknown just as Alien was, also a favourite film of mine. I would love to see an accurate, authentic film interpretation of The Call of Cuthulu in all it's glory, not dumbed down or diluted for the sellout Hollywood audience version but a full on accurate rendition.