Quinn got me onto reading the Three Body Problem. I've been looking for Children of Time, but nothing local carries it. I'll keep looking!

I got both Children of Time, Children of Ruin and the The Three Body Problem trilogy because of Quinn. Have read Tchaikovsky'a two books and they were superb reads. I start Liu as soon as I get the time.

Dude exact same. I got into audiobooks for the first time due to this amazing channel. Listened to children of time and children of ruin. They blew me away. Basically everything on this Chanel has really resonated with me. Im even a patron for the author of "Humanity Lost".

Translation…oh please please notice me please like my comment please please i need it to feel self worth….simp

I just seen this after my post lmao awesome!

Someone who wants to help you to death is much more insidious than someone who has openly malevolent intent.

We are the monsters. We wipe out other species in the process of propagation of industrial technological systems. We preserve only those plants and animals that benefit us directly. We say we care about environment, but when confronted with economic growth, it becomes disposable. We see it as progress in our mind.

Well. Indeed. And if you ask me, I'd rather go extinct than lose my freedom.

It's exactly like some dessert tribe wrote some holy book and put themselves as main characters here on earth

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The word "evolution" gets saddled with a lot of semantic baggage. All it literally means is "unfolding", which indicates change. What many really mean by the term evolution is _natural selection,_ which is a far more specific concept. I'd agree that eugenics and/or engineering certainly aren't natural selection.

its still evolution. Evolution is any change through mutation. Selective breeding does that, and theres no real reason to seperate even gene editing from epigenetics.

@@Mystravian The Definition is not the same.

@@comradecameron3726 Doesnt need to be just needs to overlap, and it does.

tomatos and bananas have evolved because of human intervention. it’s not natural selection but it’s evolution.

Reality is cruller than fiction.

WAIT WHY NOT

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What were some of the different questions and view points?

@@KDbelieves well mine usually rotate around how next generations deal with legacy of their forefathers, human relationship with power, ethics, religion and loyalty, natural selection and how to bring our gods under our reign again... in the world I live in power and responsibility are the most important factor, how to survive a stronger enemy, how to gain power to defeat him and how not to become him in the process... But in the Western world I see all manners of questions starting with " does it worth so much to..." and " now that we failed how do we fix it?" It seems our societies are on two sides of a hilltop... we are struggling to climb and only see the top, those people have passed that point and now question how to deal with the devils laying on their way back down from it...

@@sohrabroozbahani4700 Hmm interesting. As someone who was born in the west but has immigrant parents, I grew up in a position where I can see both sides. I realized that the west are losing the values that the rest of the world still has. Their value of family, legacy, religion etc is slowly dwindling and so is their humanity...in a sense. The rest of the world see's the west and wishes a life of leisure like the west, not realizing that they are already living the dream. It reminds me of this song lyrics, "half of us are chasing fountains of youth when it's in the present." They are chasing the dream even though they are living the dream. Our greatest weakness as humans is how we want more and more. If we stopped when we were at the top, we would be satisfied.

@@KDbelieves I have but one like to give to your reply, so far what I have discovered is the evil stealing our happiness is in our distance from balance, as chinese have a saying, when you can't find your way go back to where you started, so I started digging into our collective past and the further back I looked more and more it became clear, societies are born around an idea, then over time they become radicalised and polarised, lack of appeal of a middle ground makes them unsustainable and eventually the two sides go their own separate ways, just like a cell that grows and divides and gives birth to two new cells, past that point only natural selection will determine who was more efficient, because right or wrong again is more a matter of side picking it seems... Writing is more than anything an exercise in thought, a way to play our ideas in a semi realistic situation and see how it turns out, and since it all happens in our head, and what happens in our head is directly dictated by our life experiences, that is where all this diversity of views is coming from...

@@sohrabroozbahani4700 I feel like you may be confusing yourself. We all deal with the same problems on Earth.

Saw her at a library in NY for (i think) her last novel Fledgling - such a intellectually magnetic, one of those minds that it's awesome even just to hear her talk at length about stuff....

- " " Q " " . F A R from a one --- --- trick --- pony . A M E N ! ! ! Thank God . " Q " is a consistantly entertaining story - teller . His narrative skills make his shared view points . . . . . . C A P T I V A T I N G . -

Great observation. :) Not the one trick pony :)

I’m not so sure it’s subtle. There is a very strong “assimilation” allegory at the very least. Dominant culture assimilating the client culture to the detriment of the indigenous client culture, with the justification being “Oankali genetics” ... that I don’t find satisfying. It was clearly a choice the author made to say that the one species is superior to the other at least I regard to its identity and culture. It’s therefore interesting that the story is propelled by a protagonist (Akin - I love his naming “A kin”) who is an exception to this “law” and is more interesting due to his blending... odd deliberate choices imo ... Moreover there are strong “colonialism” alagories present in the theft of native land and resources for the patron empire represented by the Oankali who are broadly benevolent, in some ways like the supercilious British in India or Africa who are there to bring “civilisation” to the indigenous people...

@@epone3488 But they objectively did bring civilization

@@Amfortas They destroyed the indigenous civilization. Remember civilization is contextual.

I was listening to this while doing busy work and as soon as I heard him say it, I was snapped to attention! Had to rewind and look it up phonetically, since I'm 3rd gen American-born. But what a fantastic thing to discover! Tho now I'm missing my Maimeó something terrible, lol.

Also, what may look like progress or stagnation may not be so. The option for humans to settle on Venus or Mars could be seen as progress. Building something new. It may get destroyed in conflicts. But, that is fine. There is an option for new things and new people. Like how in our day, many people go into the wilderness for days, weeks, and months. Its going back to an earlier time period of human history, but its also doing something new modern people haven't done.

Part of the issue is that the 'third sex' of Oankali is actually the original organism highly derived and adapted towards trading genes with other lifeforms that aren't akin to self. One of the adaptations it's gained since it's primordial format was to directly insert itself into the breeding paradigm's of what ever it was trading with so as not to be left out of the equation. A biological adaptation to assure that the organism wouldn't be treated as 'other' by the other parts of it's gene trading partners. The whole thing about not letting humans keep a breeding population of humans was that they saw us as having 2 innate traits (Instinctual hierarchy and intellect) that would always eventually conflict with each other. With the world war they rescued the survivors from as ultimate proof of Exactly that coming about. The fact is from their very alien perspective they were trying to be kind.

@@HimitsuHunter what they are doing is out of kindness yes but it is the right thing as it is the same as a mother stunting their child's growth, so if humans die because of the actions at least they would do it of their own free will.

@@madmank7881 Of course it’s doesn’t seem right to us, but an alien’s definition of “right” could vastly differ from ours, and it does vastly differ from our definition in this trilogy.

I feel like that's somewhat reductive considering humans in this series were going to go extinct without intervention.

@@visoriannull832 that's why I say "in a way," because I believe there's other interpretations possible

Well, it's better than how European settlers viewed other tribes. The ones they exterminated with diseases and guns.

@@francescobruno-bossio537 nah. Colonial Europeans viewed non-Europeans as subhuman. Olakali view humans as humans. Your comparison lacks nuance. I have to remember not to read comments on videos

@@francescobruno-bossio537 I'm autistic as well. Are you trying to make a specific point? I have difficulty in reading tone online, so I'm not going to assume my gut feeling on your reply is correct. Could you please clarify?

It gets even more interesting, because as far as we know, the Ooloi sincerely believe they are offering us the best possible choice.

@@NevTheDeranged Aah, interesting! I missed, or misperceived that in his overview. I won't ask more questions so you don't have to spoil core stuff. 🙂

@@catbertz the books are extremely deep, I've read them almost a dozen times and I still find new things to glean from them. There's no way one video series could cover everything. I'm pretty sure there are literally college courses on it

I don't want to spoil it, but the ending of Adulthood Rites addresses this a bit and gives some hope for baseline humanity

It also doesn't help that they can't take no for an answer for anything... Bunch of rapist aliens :D

I immersed myself into reading this trilogy and I couldn't like the Oankali either. I enjoyed some parts of the novels, but as for its end, I don't feel satisfied.

I’m about halfway through the second book, and I have to say I don’t like anyone really. They’re all fascinating characters but I don’t feel fond of almost anyone. The oankali are manipulative and the humans are either fatalist or delusional. I have to admit right now I kind of like the Oankali better but I am also on the part where the stupid old lady is trying to get people to mutilate children, it’s an absolutely normal reaction given the ridiculous conditions but I hate it and I hate it more that I can think of people I know that might entertain the idea. It’s very hard to not be on a bit of human hate high reading that. As for the “oh but human agency and survival on their terms” I’m kind of with the Oankali on that one, after we essentially genocided our species along with our planet to me humans lost the “I get to have it just the way I want it” privileges. The Oankali saved them and offered them a choice of joining or go live your life however you want except no children the old human way. The humans act like they’ve been wronged and had something stolen from them, again humans killed themselves and the planet, they had nothing. They act like joining the traders in exchange for food, safety, health, community and children to pass their genes on is some sort of failing by other humans and that it’s not enough, as if they deserved more. They killed us, they don’t get to have the cake and eat it too just because they don’t like the taste

@@AverageAwesomeDude "The Oankali saved them" If you continue reading you'll find out that they really didn't save shit.

@@Fankas2000 you mean the stuff with the ships?

Tiktok atenntion

try dopamine detoxing, you might need it

I listen at 0.5x to give myself more nightmares

I can't believe there are people who actually do this

@@ahngelooh tik tok and other things have ruined modern people's attention span

I'm writing a webtoon/graphic novel in that cosmic horror vein but it starts more like a mecha then Dune and then cosmic horror.

@@RhiannonSenpai You cannot just put bait like that out there without giving us more Information senpai. Where do i find that comic?

@@aufgehts5 Roeyan Saga. On webtoon.

@@RhiannonSenpai I just read the synopsis and damn, I think I'll subscribe

@@RhiannonSenpai isn't mecha cosmic horror just Eva?

Same, got into Dune, Hyperion, and now finishing 3 body because of Quinn!

I feel it's worth considering that we have, many times fallen to ruination. But here we stand looking on the ashes, and ruins of Rome, balking at how crude it would've been to wipe yourself with a sponge. We'll make it I feel. In our time at least, and then it falls to the good sense of someone else, sometime else, to prevail again, and carry us forth another few hundred years.

@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder Well said, and thank you!

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