It’s probably worse here in Scotland

guy in the gun shop told me its a prohibited firearm if it shoots solid ammo over 7.5 joules if u shoot solid ammo out the 11 joule version the ammo has to disintegrate on impact ( paintball ) so if u got one and mod it to 50 joules or some madness I seen on KZfaq n shot someone with a z ram or the ammo that u dont see for sale on eBay from uk sellers cus if the ammo is in the gun its a firearm. Any murder with a firearm is 30 minimum. plus air rifles u need a firearm certificate if its over 12 pounds plus a 22 pellet isnt gonna go through ur jacket n a gas gun is up to 6 pound for a pistol... these r in a grey area cus they paintball guns but trust me a 50 cal ball bering or the over killer spikes jaw breakers ect all them designed to hurt people shot or the 50 cal pellets even the Komodo's coming at you at 50 joules or more is gna be leaving a exit wound. I seen people turn these into m16 looking things another into a sniper 100 joules.. lol imagene a 22 being shot at u its gna go in the skin but u can pull it out with tweezers. a 50 cal size pellet or spike is gna probally almost defo gna kill you... tbh crossbows r the best to stick with in my opinion I found this on google: Generally the ideal power level is just over 11 ft lb (15J). For an air rifle that is more powerful than 12 ft lb, (16.25J) you must have a firearm certificate. Never shoot at partially obscured quarry or shoot at quarry which could escape into cover before it can be retrieved. also bro I went to another shop that sells zombie style machetes n everything but they wont stock the 11 joule on the HDR 50 or 68 only the 7.5.. they basically said the same but I called there supplier n they selling 16 joule ones n said the police went around all the shops and scared them all into not selling them... So tbh brother sorry for long reply just hope no one gets on of these uses it for self defence and gets a brutal sentence.. theres a comment on another video the guy got nicked for attmempted murder and a section 5 firearm n the guy in the gun shop said its a section 5 firearm so it matches the guy said it was his first offence but his looking at some serious jail time n the guy broke into his house... and my self chasing a burglar out my yard with nun chucks I was the offender he was the victim.... its a joke ur only allowed to carry criminail identifier spray for self defence... it doesn't hurt just leaves a mark on there clothes... now they gonna be panicking even more and probally leave no witness.... the uk self defence laws a joke.. when his in ur house his the offender... you point a gun at him n ur the offender... u can use reasonable force but cus guns r banned n that once u aim it at them its not reasonable force unless u can see they have a gun or a knife... even then once u shoot em its gbh at least I know its stupid lol hope this helps UK Airgun Laws - Pellpax@@edy1361

Not sure but it's generally not good to do so with CO2 guns

You can not leave in gun after the co2 has been pierced. The pressure will damage your gun or will not perform when you try to use it. Once co2 has been activated use immediately.

yeah you can do that. there are kits to convert them from one to another, you can buy these online. You can even get way over 11j with them.

must have found that info on a website somewhere :)

@@BrianSu Thanks Brian. So the home office does see a paint marker as a firearm as long as it shoots paintballs or frangible ammo. In that case the HDR 50 could be modded up to whatever ft/lbs can be achieved and still be legal if shooting frangible ammo? Any comments?

If I was you I wouldn't mod anything above the clear legal limits. An air pistol 6 ft/lbs and a rifle 12 ft/lbs. Outside of that you put the wrong ammunition in it or an expert deems your ammunition doesn't fit the criteria and your up on a firearms charge

@@ricardosmythe2548 exactly!

@@ricardosmythe2548 Thanks for the reply Ricardo. Thing is they are being sold in the UK in 11 joule versions that are over the air pistol limit. So if you mod them up further to say 20-30 joules, they are still legal provided you shoot paintballs or 'frangible' ammo? If you then shoot steel balls they then become a firearm?

it's easier to get from 11 to 16 than from 7.5 because some parts need to be changed. There are mod kits being sold online that contain the required parts to move up to either 11 or 16.

Yes I don't get why there's so much interest in this anyway. Just stick to what's legal.

@@BrianSu I agree from what I’ve seen about the 11J online it seems to be unreliable and also extremely loud

I think you mean 'legal' - sheesh, at least typo-check when trying to contribute to fraught areas like this.

just search on Google

runerebel has the best mod vids sir.

I just know I have the legal one, the least powerful of the 3.

It's not classified as a air pistol. It's classified as a paintball marker.

I have the 11j as well. You live in the us??

Get yourself pepperballs for the 11j they re great

@@Walem_B Yes, I live in the US. The weapon came with 7j, but I had a local shop replace an internal part and now it's 11j. I tried it out with hard rubber balls and got 20 shots out of 1 CO2 cartridge, as compared to when it was only 7j, and I was getting about 45 shots, so it definitely is more powerful. I bought the steel/rubber balls and haven't tested them yet, so I'm going to put three and three in one mag and compare the difference against the same aluminum drainpipe I used before. Stay tuned. Pepper balls, not yet, and I live in NY City, so those are "illegal". Not that I care, but the Byrna pepper ball gun might be better, but that's much more expensive. Where do you live?

Yes I also have firearm and TR50 (7.5 Joule), and also pepper spray. I would use TR50 to hopefully persuade an unarmed intruder leave. If unarmed intruder refuse to leave, then pepper spray comes next. For armed home invader, I would have to use my firearm which I would have pointed at all times at the intruder, armed or not.

@@springer-qb4dv I totally agree.

@scott smith Yeah you're right except not The Masons mate. It's someone else, they're so powerless you can't mention their name without getting your life ruined....follow the money.

So as long as you do some fun shooting with it mainly and just happen to grab it in defence then you are fine

Thanks!

Andrew you must be English lol.

Cool!!!

Same how is it three months on

@@MrSuchasoorma it’s great. Upgrade it with HD-24 parts. Now I want the z ram expansion chamber for it too.

if you were in the circumstances that would class this as reasonable force then you wouldn’t think twice about using it for home defence.

@@Colonel_Mustsard exactly in that case it would be legal

Keep a samurai sword on the wall more effective!

I emailed just paintball and ask them if the 11th joule version was legal In the UK and they said it was as long as you used frag rounds, so this isn’t true it’s very hard to get an answer. what you wrote is what I found on the Internet which makes it illegal I wonder why they would say it was legal any info would be greatly appreciated

@@dylanthedyslexicvillain4294 if it wasnt legal they wouldnt sell it to the uk

it seems theres a caveat where if it is firing frangible rounds, paintballs or chalk markers that break up on impact its a different classification

@@frogmastiff8198 yeah and then its classed as a Marker /Paintbtball and then because its a pistol over 8.135 joules you need a licence 🤣😂👍 Just get the 7.5 joule and its all good

@@JRH087 Read the whole thing bruv 👍 Get the 11 joules version start firing it off on ya back yard your choice

really??? you can't buy these there??

@@BrianSu ONLY THE 6J ....... NO PEPPER BALLS.

@@richardsternberg2542 Yes you can only buy TR50, a 7.5 Joule version, but you can easily modify it to your heart's content. In fact, HDR50/TR50 is designed so solidly that you can increase power level tremendously, far beyond 20 or 30 Joules and it's not illegal no matter how powerful it becomes. But that defeats purpose of TR50/HDR50 being less-lethal weapon. I am also in CA, and I have my trusty TR50, and instead of pepper ball which is illegal in CA, I have a large can of pepper spray which can spray pepper gel up to 20 feet. I also have a firerm ready for self defense and this gives me lots of options for home defense, and hopefully not have to resort to actually killing anyone.

I knew all these rules except that you can’t use the black rubber bulllets to fire at markers?? Are you sure that’s illegal? If police found this at your home with black rubber balls they could charge you?

@@sean6147 that's tricky, so if you only have them at home and you can somehow get them without online evidence (e.g. not buying them from amazon), then i don't think they can get a search warrant unless your neighbour reports you. having both the bullets and the gun at the same location is an offence though (it doesn't even have to be loaded up).

yup true

Yup comes in the post via normal mail.

Depends on the law in ur country

@@user-cu8rl5pe1m in UK you could legally buy and use the 11j version, as long as you shoot paint and chalk balls. but you could argue you vent some gas and fire some rubber balls @ 7.5 or less??

@@user-tl9zi8nn6e i'm from the uk i had the 11joule one then returned it the week after coz i wasn't sure if it was legal

You can if you wish to order from the USA. However it makes the weapon illegal as well as the owning of that type of product, safe shooting.

My thoughts exactly. Btw I took this to the range last weekend and it hits targets :)

do we need a licence for the hdr 50 in the uk?

@@ciaranperry4677 no

@@miketython1550 Noice!

ok I wasn't aware of that. Thanks.

@scott smith yes you're right

Obviously you keep it by your bed as a precaution against kids or intruders finding it, obviously it’s purpose is for plinking. Obviously if you grabbed it in a panic upon an intruder entering that would obviously not be premeditated defence obviously

Well said , unfortunately UK laws make it completely illegal to store a pistol that's loaded , so in reality there is no situation where someone could fire this at a burglar and not get charged with a very serious firearms offence , legally you have to store your ammo ( pellets ,bullets,slugs,shells etc etc ) in a separate locked compartment from your rifles and or pistols , it's not like you could say , I got my pistol out of the safe and loaded it when I realised someone had illegally entered my house ,just having the intention to stop a burglar by firing the pistol at him will be enough for the c.p.s to put you behind bars . A 70 odd year old guy ( tony Martin) I think was his name , he lived in a remote farmhouse that had been burgled repeatedly , he opened fire using his legally permitted 12 gauge shotgun , there were two men in his house , he shit one when they were leaving the backdoor of his kitchen , the scumbag burglar ended up dying , poor Tony was sentenced to something like 15 years in prison , the laws in the UK are pathetic , they actually encourage criminals because they know the law is on their side even though they are burgling someone house .

@@aboutthemetal8783 I didn’t realise there were such stringent laws on air guns, in terms of how they’re kept in a locked safe and ammo should be stored separately. Overall it would be a bad idea to use one in self defence and basically pretty useless other than to ward off someone. The Tony Martin case is pertinent, just to make a small correction the shotgun wasn’t licensed. And the case was based on him blasting them in the back while they tried to escape through the window. Not making a stance here, but that was revenge style not self defence, like if you chased a burglar down the street and beat the shit out of him with a bat. There are many arguments, just adding that context, although if you enter a house in the dead of night you take your chances. The victim being able to initiate a compensation case is not on. And we should note that in real terms he only served 3 years, and had he shot them while they aggressively came towards his bedroom I doubt he would have served any time. So there was some context to the case.

@@jjjos I have studied the ever changing UK firearms laws ( even a sub 12 air gun of any kind is also applicable in many cases ) . The UK laws are designed eventually stop people from owning any type of air rifle or pistol , the way it's done is , the laws make it illegal to use low powered air pistols and rifles anywhere unless the person shooting owns the land they are shooting on or has written official permission from the land owner ,if you rent your home it's illegal to shoot in your back garden unless you have written permission from the owner of the property , local councils will not give permission for you to plink in your garden if the council are renting it to you , so you have to find a gun club or someone who owns land and have given you written permission to shoot on it ,and most shooters know finding a land owner who will give you permission to enjoy our shooting hobby be it in the form of pest control for the land owner , or small game hunting or even target practice is near impossible , so those who want to get into air rifle / pistol shooting end up buying their first bit of kit ,but after a few months of frustration a disappointment at the lack of places they can shoot and how the law and general public are totally against anyone enjoying the hobby of shooting and neighbours end up complaining to the police or local councils when they see you in your backyard , it makes it virtually impossible for newcomers to stand a chance of enjoying the sport . The UK laws are basically designed to make it so difficult for anyone to own and be able to use air guns to the point where it's becoming a dying sport . Very sad , the UK has made it clear they don't care about the rites of those who want to enjoy shooting as a hobby , furthermore the way the laws are designed means you could buy a air gun or pistol and you will be committing a crime by storing it incorrectly many number of traps are there within the law to take air rifles away from their owners . Be careful what you buy ( the semi auto pcps are a grey area , the UK laws will have them illegal soon enough) And when the laws change the government won't compensate anyone who has to bring their rifle in , they just take them destroy them and say thanks , it disgusting .

@@aboutthemetal8783 you paint a bleak picture but your logic makes perfect sense. I remember as a kid plinking at family bar-b-q’s or when camping in summer, different times. Now you’re right, I don’t think I’d actually plink in my garden for fear of neighbours calling the police, it would ruin the fun even if they didn’t and would be a lot of unnecessary hassle if they did. All in all for what was meant to be a bit of fun it does seem there are so many pit falls, I guess I’m playing right into the strategy, but I do at least see how it is happening, definitely an agenda in place.

Yes because they sell it as a paintball gun

Your right, bought mine over phone from Silver Archery, Royal Mail delivering today before 1pm and it’s bang on 12pm now…. Well excited…!!! 11 joules… no I.d. check no nothing… paid by card, delivered next day… Google Silver Archery for 11 joule one to anyone reading…. And it’s the HDR50L with inbuilt laser 😎

you're probably right :)

this isn't an air pistol

7.5j is 5.5ft/lb lol, at least do a conversion before posting

Not in the UK

Only with your bare hands

@@claythomas5245 in the UK you can't do that, you'll end up in jail.

@@BrianSu better in jail than being dead or attacked in your bed cowering for fear of being arrested ?

@@claythomas5245 the choice isn't binary. you can overpower the person and disable them until the police arrives.