Investigating Joseph Smith's Personal Bible

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3 ай бұрын

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In this episode Hayden and Jackson speak with Brent Ashworth about Joseph and Emma Smith's family bible. They look into whether or not there are maps that Joseph could have used to copy The Book of Mormon.
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@sunnymonkey2389 3 ай бұрын

I wish they could hear me say, “stop touching it, put on a pair of gloves!” Otherwise thank you for sharing this moment with us all. 🥰

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

Hahaha I thought the same thing, but the gloves are not used by most rare book collectors! Look at Reed Moon’s Instagram from Moon’s Rare Books as well. He never wears gloves! It can actually be more harmful to a book to wear gloves because over time it soaks up the oils that keep the pages bendy and not brittle Also you can go see the Bible for yourself. Address in bio!

@_Truth-Seeker_ 3 ай бұрын

@thestickofjoseph doesn't make it okay just because "others don't wear gloves either". It's damaging to the Book. Finger oil is bad for old book.

@susannesavage3922 2 ай бұрын

@@_Truth-Seeker_ This is from the library of congress. :) “Before handling any collection item, thoroughly wash and dry hands. Contrary to widespread belief, gloves are not necessarily recommended to handle rare or valuable books." We're used to the idea of people wearing gloves but it's actually a bit outdated. Another reason I've heard for not wearing gloves is because you're less likely to tear fragile pages when using clean bare hands. Just thought that was interesting!

@mickski548 3 ай бұрын

Bro just has a Joseph Smith Bible chillin at his house

@dinocollins720 3 ай бұрын

haha

@MichaelRogerStDenis 3 ай бұрын

So cool! I love it when you make videos outside of the studio! I can't wait for your movie!

@jarenthompson915 3 ай бұрын

I'm still laughing, but now bc of the fixes... Hayden did a great job this time. It really helps when he's watching you speak instead of the queue card, along with the magic of editing, and the mic at mouth level. Good job 👍

@masfspin 3 ай бұрын

Love your videos! Love your jacket Jackson! Portugal! 😅

@FAITHFUl_FOUNDATION_CHANNEL 3 ай бұрын

Ive neber been so early to a video before you guys make awesome work though keep it up you guys inspired me to start making content myself it isnt anywhere near how well your videos are but its a start

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

That’s awesome, just try to make every video better better than the last one! If you look at the first ones we’ve done, we’ve gotten a lot better! Keep up the good fight!

@outof_obscurity 3 ай бұрын

Oh my gosh! You guys have really tracked down the truth. It's weird we weren't meant to meet as missionaries. I love how objective you guys are.

@lesliepaul1302 3 ай бұрын

Cool!

@user-wd9oy4lz9t 3 ай бұрын

Moon's Rare Books in the Riverwoods/Provo has multiple old bibles from different times. That would be a great place to look for a 1700's/early 1800's Bible.

@jenkohler55 3 ай бұрын

That’s so funny! I was having the same anxiety over lack of gloves! Surprised the collector didn’t wear any gloves. Funny the things that are salient to us humans. 😏

@rodneyjamesmcguire 3 ай бұрын

Good clip

@michelejaquiss3470 2 ай бұрын

Hi, I have been watching just recently . How do I get to the original programs you have done? I am 75 so not too techno smart. 😉

@thehistoadian 3 ай бұрын

Epic

@DLR1976 3 ай бұрын

Nice Portuguese sweat-shirt ;)

@Freddy78909 3 ай бұрын

The LDS church should buy this to make sure it survives in the future

@LiveHappy76 3 ай бұрын

You all are AWESOME! ALWAYS good videos! One critique of this video: for that Bible to be best preserved, if you ever have future opportunity to touch and turn pages of a historically valuable old book, please wear appropriate gloves and set the book in a V-shaped position so that the fragile binding is not laid out flat and worn faster by wider movements when turning its pages. I hope Brother Ashworth eventually donates it to the church History Library!

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing, but the gloves are not used by most rare book collectors! Look at Reed Moon’s Instagram from Moon’s Rare Books as well. He never wears gloves! Also you can go see the Bible for yourself. Address in bio!

@awiley8711 3 ай бұрын

Interesting. Did the picture of Jerusalem have a wall around it. I couldn't tell. I remember hearing a story that Joseph didn't know Jerusalem had a wall and asked Emma about it while translating the BOM.

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

It did have a wall. But remember they didn’t have this Bible until after the translation!

@dr33776 3 ай бұрын

Joseph was well versed in the Bible, the dumb farmer argument is not true. Either Joseph was lying to Emma when he said he didn’t know the city had a wall or Emma just made it up to make the BoM more astounding. It is and was common knowledge.

@urubu715 3 ай бұрын

I recall an incident where Joseph asked Emma about the walls of Jerusalem. He apparently didn't know there were walls around Jerusalem. Does the picture of Jerusalem in that Bible show a wall around the city, by chance?

@outof_obscurity 3 ай бұрын

So the question then is when did maps get added to bibles historically?

@juancarlosverdugosanchez4296 3 ай бұрын

it is interesting to know when maps were included in bibles. but it doesn't even matter. the map that the book of Mormon describes cannot be found anywhere in the world map.

@outof_obscurity 3 ай бұрын

@@juancarlosverdugosanchez4296 indeed doesn't matter. I'm just asking for clarification 😂

@joannastle7901 3 ай бұрын

Aaaaaahhh!!! GLOVES

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

@joannastle7901 3 ай бұрын

@@thestickofjoseph well there you go! Everyday is a school day. 😊

@NaeNae62 3 ай бұрын

I have a connection to Reid Moon. Moons bookstore in Provo. He specializes in ancient bibles and a lot of other cool things! Have you heard of him? I'll send his assistant this video! His name is Seth!

@YasuTaniina 3 ай бұрын

Genealogy and provenance are different words with different meanings. Genealogy is the study of family lineage. It has been used regularly since at least the 14th century. Provenance is proof of the history of ownership through the years. It's one way how people authenticate things

@elderinisrael 3 ай бұрын

The Geneva Bible had maps in it as early as 1560. The 1769 KJV bible did not have any maps in it.

@DT2PZ0 3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Earth isn't a spinning ball

@elderinisrael 3 ай бұрын

@@DT2PZ0 so you believe the earth is flat? This isn’t biblically supported, nor is there any scientific evidence supporting it.

@DT2PZ0 3 ай бұрын

@@elderinisrael i said the earth is not a spinning ball. Flat vs globe is a different debate. It's all about the heliocentric model being wrong. Flat or globe the earth isn't moving and is geocentric. This has been known since the beginning of time and the earth being immovable is absolutely supported by the bible. And many Bible references are opposite to heliocentric claims. I know the book of Enoch isn't in modern Bibles but that book completely rips the heliocentric model apart. The stars you see in the sky, aren't so far away they are now dead.

@DT2PZ0 3 ай бұрын

@@elderinisrael also go Google the definition of a circle. It's not a sphere buddy and requires a flat plane. That's a Bible reference for earth being a plane. But I'm not talking about that. The earth isnt spinning around a sun and or spinning on its axis. That's my claim

@elderinisrael 3 ай бұрын

@@DT2PZ0 it’s best for us to agree to disagree.

@igoldenknight2169 3 ай бұрын

“That belongs in a museum!”

@rconger24 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm glad he makes this bible available to others.

@lacesout8292 3 ай бұрын

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:v8

@msanderlin3330 3 ай бұрын

Why were y'all not wearing gloves?

@revrund 3 ай бұрын

8:38 "writing". Haha

@raymondrios4009 3 ай бұрын

You didn't see any maps because you are suppose to flip to the back of the last page and squeeze lemon juice. You'll find a map appear of the location to the cave of records. Follow the clues.

@rsstnnr76 3 ай бұрын

I'd probably have gloves on.

@kingimatthews4481 21 күн бұрын

He should have sold the copy rights to the Canadians, or was that the Book of Mormon, it would negate everything they worked for, to sell off the rights. who ever had the rights might have changed words, or is that already being done.

@DabMeUpM 3 ай бұрын

No gloves while touching an antique book?

@professorchimp1 3 ай бұрын

It doesn’t make a difference, they’ve tested it

@DarthenosC9 3 ай бұрын

That's actually a common misconception. Fabric gloves dry the paper. It's better to just let the oils from your hands/fingers get onto the paper.

@elijiahburgess5506 3 ай бұрын

@@DarthenosC9in addition there’s a lack of dexterity with gloves. The only thing I can think of would be a Yad the Jews would use to point to text within their books. But yeah gloves are not used.

@DabMeUpM 3 ай бұрын

@@elijiahburgess5506 good to know. Thanks

@DabMeUpM 3 ай бұрын

@@professorchimp1 thanks

@csjacksoncsjackson9317 3 ай бұрын

Are they talking about the Bible or the Book of Mormon?

@YasuTaniina 3 ай бұрын

The Bible. Ezekiel is in the New testament. The book of Mormon is also incredibly shorter then this. All members of the church of Jesus Christ of later day saint study the old testament and the new testament heavily and believe it to be true as long as it is translated correctly. It was also while studying the Bible as a young teenager that Joseph Smith prayed to find the true church. That is the Bible they were hoping to find, not that this one is less significant.

@christophercowan1645 Ай бұрын

Hey guys, with all due respect, continue reading that passage in Ezekiel. He actually interprets what the two literal sticks, not scrolls, means. It has nothing to do with JS or the BOM, per Ezekiel. God bless

@thestickofjoseph Ай бұрын

We did a whole episode on the chapter. It’s the first on the channel. Would love your thoughts after you watch it.

@christophercowan1645 Ай бұрын

@@thestickofjoseph I watched. please reach out to me. You left out vs. 18-24 which absolutely destroys your interpretation. I don't mean this in a mean spirited way. But why would you leave out the verses that tell you what the sticks mean? It flat out tells you and it is not what you say. Please be genuine. People's souls are at stake. God bless. Chris

@thestickofjoseph Ай бұрын

Are you familiar with the multivalence of scripture. Our interpretation is not that the prophecy has nothing to do with the gathering of Israel as explained. It is that the gathering of Israel is kicked off and facilitated by the “Stick of Joseph” ending up in the hands of ephraim.

@christophercowan1645 Ай бұрын

@@thestickofjoseph your interpretation never mentioned the reuniting of the nations. That is all this is about. You cannot just make up another interpretation based on a pre conceived belief and press it on scripture. There is no dual meaning here. Why would you skip the verses that tell you what this means? This misleads your watchers.

@csjacksoncsjackson9317 3 ай бұрын

I see it is the Bible.

@aaronwood8012 3 ай бұрын

They shouldn’t be touching that with their bare hands - they should be wearing gloves

@Nick-iw3ol 3 ай бұрын

Found homies cheat sheet

@Kristy_not_kristine 2 ай бұрын

Check out the polygamy corrections. They ALL enforce the idea that it's NEVER approved by God. Joseph wasn't a polygamist.

@nathanbigler 3 ай бұрын

Is Deutero-Isaiah in there? Joseph Smith didn't translate anything

@rconger24 3 ай бұрын

What have you translated?

@nathanbigler 3 ай бұрын

@@rconger24 I've translated as much as Joseph Smith. But I'm not a pervert like he was

@joechristiansen6016 3 ай бұрын

Take yourself a copy of the Book of Mormon, read it and try to match it. You go ahead and write something 500+ pages in a matter of three months, no second draft. Go ahead, try to match it.

@nathanbigler 3 ай бұрын

@@joechristiansen6016 lol, that's not even what happened. If the BoM was true, there would be billions of Mormons

@jamesbhollingsworth5452 3 ай бұрын

@@joechristiansen6016 I’ll do that next time I get devil possessed.

@Profreedom386 3 ай бұрын

I believe Lucy Harris burned the 116 pages…I think a contemporary person journaled about it, but I can’t remember who…🤔

@psychlops924 3 ай бұрын

I’d recommend you read The Lost 116 pages by Don Bradley. He points out that Lucy was a Quaker, they believed you’d burn in hell if you lied, especially on your deathbed, and she swore as she was dying that she didn’t destroy the manuscript and didn’t know what had happened. That was good enough for Martin to say that he fully believed her. There’s some evidence it was taken by a nephew I believe, but we don’t actually know what happened. Also, if it were burned, why wouldn’t the Lord let them retranslate it?

@Profreedom386 3 ай бұрын

@@psychlops924 interesting! Thank you for the thoughts. 👍🏻

@heatwaveo8 3 ай бұрын

In Doctrine and Covenants section 10, read the first 20 verses or so and it will say exactly what happened.

@heberfrank8664 3 ай бұрын

Mormon scripture mentions the Stick of Ephraim. : “...to whom I have committed the keys of the ***RECORD*** of the stick of Ephraim;” --D&C 27:5 So the Book of Mormon is NOT the Stick of Ephraim according to this verse. It is the RECORD of the stick of Ephraim. The stick is Ephraim and those tribes that went with Ephraim at the time of the division. Likewise, the stick of Judah is Judah and the tribes that went with Judah. The Bible is the RECORD of the stick of Judah. The prophecy in Ezekiel 37:15-22 is talking about the unification of the tribes again. But when the tribes are united the sacred RECORDS they kept will also be united. So the unification of the Book of Mormon and the Bible is implicated in this prophecy just as Mormons have been saying.

@scottishwarrior3547 3 ай бұрын

Avraham Gileady, maybe look at the book of Tephie while you are at it. You got it, but there are more books. We have been trying to put them as one. Why repeat when there are more

@juancarlosverdugosanchez4296 3 ай бұрын

I am Mormon and went to a mission down in the south of Mexico. Reading the Bible i have learned something different from what the church teaches. the scripture of Ezequiel is taken out of context. I think you should study the entire chapter of Ezekiel 37 Better. The chapter does not talk about two books or records. The chapter talks about two groups, two nations, who separated and who in the end would be reunited as the twelve tribes. I repeat, two nations, not two books. Ezekiel 37:16 refers to Judah and the entire house of Israel and not a single branch of Joseph. They are the two kingdoms into which the twelve tribes were divided. The tribe of Judah went to the south to Jerusalem and the tribe of Israel to the north. Joseph's descendants were supposedly lost to the north with Israel. They did not remain in Jerusalem. So, what is Lehi doing in Jerusalem if he is a descendant of Joseph? This story of Joseph's branch in Jerusalem makes no sense. Furthermore, Nephi never gave a genealogy of his father it only says that he was a descendant of Joseph. The Book of Mormon wants to teach that Lehi was a descendant of Joseph but that he was not with Joseph's lost tribes. According to the book of Mormon he was in Jerusalem with his family. All of the tribe of Judah remained in Jerusalem. Now, let’s pay more attention to the verses that talk about two nations and not two books. Verse 19 of Ezekiel 37 says very clearly that there are two nations and not two books. Example, “Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph that is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions, and I will put them with the stick of Judah, and I will make them one stick, and they will be one in my hand.” The two groups of people will be one as they were in the beginning. Twelve tribes Verse 21 another example that there are two nations divided and not two books. Example of verse 21, “Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations to which they went, and will gather them from everywhere, and will bring them into their land;” example of verse 22 that there are not two books it says like this, “and I will make them one nation in the land, in the mountains of Israel, and one king will be king over them all; and never again will they be two nations, nor will they ever again be divided into two kingdoms.” Verse 23 is even clearer that they are not two books. Example, “they will be my people, and I will be their God.” Verse 25 is even clearer that they are two peoples, example, “They will live in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, in which your fathers lived; They and their children and their children's children will dwell therein forever;” verse 26, 27, 28 says 26 And I will make a covenant of peace with them, a perpetual covenant will be with them; and I will establish them and multiply them, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My tabernacle will be in their midst, and I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 And the nations will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, my sanctuary being among them forever. It is the literal gathering of Israel and Judah into two separate kingdoms. Not two books. It’s all about the gathering of the twelve tribes and nothing else. Thank you for reading.

@johnharvey4448 2 ай бұрын

I didn't feel like reading all this post but it seems you know what you're talking about.

@juancarlosverdugosanchez4296 2 ай бұрын

@@johnharvey4448 Thank you

@Sirach144 3 ай бұрын

The idolatry of Joseph Smith is astounding. We don’t even refer prophets of the Bible like this. This is sad.

@thestickofjoseph 3 ай бұрын

What specifically are you referring to?

@Sirach144 3 ай бұрын

@@thestickofjoseph D&C 135:3. “3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it….” I went to a church meeting at the end of the month and to watch them cry over Joseph Smith is astounding. The first thing I open to in the Book of Mormon is a picture of Joseph Smith. Every time I see LDS it’s about Joseph Smith. He’s given more attention than any other person in the church. It’s sad. Plus the Book of Mormon doesn’t even teach Mormonism. If it’s supposed to be the fullness of the gospel, why do we not see plural, marriage, eternal marriage, Temple, rituals, baptisms for the dead, plurality of gods, exaltation? Why do we see more doctrines of the trinity, modalism, heaven and hell. It’s a maze.

@KadMac25 3 ай бұрын

@@Sirach144 I believe you are referring to D&C 20:9 where the Lord states the Book of Mormon contains the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean that it contains every teaching or every doctrine ever revealed (plural marriage, eternal marriage, baptisms for the dead, etc.). Instead it means that in the Book of Mormon, you find those doctrines required for our salvation. To enter the Celestial Kingdom with God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost - you need faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Eternal marriage is not required to simply enter the Celestial Kingdom. Now, if you want to gain the highest point in that kingdom (exaltation), than yes, it is needed. Plural marriage is not a requirement for that by the way. The Book of Mormon emphasizes those basic steps over and over again and clarifies that salvation doctrine. Joseph Smith is just a prophet, not someone we worship although he is greatly respected. I also appreciate and respect many of the other great prophets in the Old and New Testament as well.

@Sirach144 3 ай бұрын

@@KadMac25 If it’s the fullness and it restores what was lost in the Bible then why didn’t it contain *ALL* of the teachings that were lost in the Bible?! if the Book of Mormon is supposed to be the most correct book on earth, then it should contain all of the missing things that were taken out of the Bible, shouldn’t it? If the Book of Mormon is completely in harmony with the Bible, then nothing was lost from the Bible because it would’ve been restored in the book of Mormon had it been taught by the early church, right? If the early church taught baptism for the dead and that it was removed from the Bible how come the Book of Mormon does not show baptisms for the dead? Shouldn’t have been practiced by the Nephites? And I do not believe that statement that you said that Joseph Smith was *just a prophet*. The amount of veneration of that man is so sad. Every room I went to in the LDS ward had a picture of him on the wall. Sad. We don’t honor any other prophets from the Bible that way. Also, plural marriage is completely condemned in the book of Mormon. But Joseph Smith practiced it anyway.

@KadMac25 3 ай бұрын

@@Sirach144 Respectfully, I am not sure I see it the same way you did with some of your conclusions. The Book of Mormon contains the steps and doctrines needed for salvation to enter the Celestial Kingdom and return to God's presence. I don't see that as having to contain all the teachings for every aspect of doctrine. Just because the Book of Mormon is in harmony with the Bible doesn't mean, in my view, that nothing has been lost from the Bible. It just means that what the Book of Mormon provides is completely true and acts as another testament of Jesus Christ alongside the Bible. It also helps me understand, with simple clarity, what steps I need to take to return to God after this life. Another big piece it emphasizes is enduring to the end or staying true to the promises you make with God and obeying his commandments. In regards to baptisms for the dead - there isn't a set answer there. It may not be discussed because it is not relevant to the Book of Mormon's main purpose - to teach the fulness of the gospel which is faith, repentance, baptism, the gift of the Holy Ghost, and enduring to the end. Another reason is that it may not have been practiced before the atonement of Jesus Christ took place in 33 AD. Most of the Book of Mormon takes place before Jesus's arrival on earth. Either way, I don't share the same conclusion that it needs to have everything in it to be the most true book or for it to contain the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ.