I actually made this video a year ago but decided not to upload it, as I feared the Avatar channel would come after me. But one year later, I decided to upload it anyway. Enjoy! Also, here's the video in question: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oL53p8d3mdWueWg.html&ab_channel=Avatar%3ATheLastAirbender

Another point on the Agni Kai: Iroh didn't interfere with the Agni Kai against Zhao. Zuko won the Agni Kai, and Zhao tried to launch a sneak attack while Zuko had his back turned. That's when Iroh stepped in.

How could anyone say that Iroh is evil with a straight face?

Man, even as a 7 year old I understood that Iroh was a good character.

How is it that the people put in charge of every pop culture franchise seem to actively hate that franchise and attempt to undermine it? Why is it that fans have to come to a franchise's defence against the people representing the franchise itself? Something is seriously wrong in the entertainment industry.

“What is better - To be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?” I feel like this quote represents iroh except replace nature with circumstances as iroh was never evil but simply born from evil

I'd say the main reason Iroh was able to step in during the Zuko-Zhao Agni kai, was because it was already finished. Zuko had won. Iroh didn't step in when Zuko was about to lose the very same fight, (the part where Zuko is on his back, right before he did that awesome spin kick from the ground). He knows Zuko has to fight his own battles, and he knows how important honor is to Zuko, also.

The fact anyone could call Iroh a villain is stupid. Sure he might have done some bad things during the war, but then again, that was the war and he was younger. Throughout the series he was a kind person who was always nice to everyone, even people trying to hurt him.

Blaming Iroh for how Ozai “turned out” it’s like saying Zuko is also to blame for Azula!

Iroh literally gets mugged, and not only takes the time to teach his attacker how to mug better, but then takes the time to get to know him, believe in him and show him that he can do something better with his life than mugging people. Yeah that sure is a villain right there 🤦‍♂️ Won't even bother giving thousands of other examples, you true Avatar fans out there know em better than me :) Cmon, Uncle Iroh is the best ❤️💖

He’s the character that brought the protags and the antag together?! If anything he represents peace 😂

Btw, didn't Iroh step in during that Zhao vs Zuko scene after Zuko already won and spared Zhao? The Agni Kai was already over, the result was clear and Zhao tried to sneak attack Zuko as he was walking away from Zhao with his back turned to him. So Iroh had every right to step in and stop Zhao here as at that point Zhao did a truly disgusting disonorable thing. This is way different from the situation with the Agni Kai between Zuko and Ozai

Avatar channel: Iron is evil Avatar fanbase: *you aren't very bright are you?*

They also ignored that Irohs sons death led to Iroh being passed over by his brother

Quoting Fred and George Weasley, after watching the arguments that the guy stated that Iroh was a villain: THATS RUBBISH!!

I genuinely can’t stand the Avatar KZfaq channel. Thank you so much for calling them out.

Iroh had points in his life where he was a villain but the show covers that for maybe 20 seconds of its entire runtime. most of what iroh did as a general is assumed or speculation but he is obviously a reformed man and one of the best examples of good ive ever seen in a character. cant believe that this is even a real take

Who in their right mind would think IROH IS A BAD GUY HE IS A MENTOR character who guides zuko to the light

When Iroh stopped Zhao when Zuko and Zhao had there Agni Kai, it was in fact already over cause just after he stopped the fight he said " so this is how the great Commander Zhao acts in defeat, disgraceful!" Just because you do something bad doesn't make you a bad person for life!

Imagine understanding tye character better than the official KZfaq channel for it

You know when the official channel spouts ludicrous when a fan understands the show and characters better and debunks them.

The video calls out Iroh for joining in the Fire Nation’s campaign as a soldier, yet they ramble him out for abandoning his position in the Siege he was leading at the time. I mean, they’re even making up inconsistencies in their arguments.

There’s literally no way Iroh could be considered a villain.

Iroh: I killed the last dragons. Fire Nation: Cool! So that means you get the title of Dragon, right? Iroh, how the Avatar channel wanted him to respond: ... Uh... no. Fire Nation: Did you kill the last dragons or not? Iroh: ... Fire Nation: Okay, everyone. Suit up. We have a couple of dragons to hunt and a General to court marshal for lying.

You also missed the fact about Hama being indirectly the reason of why the guy from the Southern Raiders decided to murder Katara's and Sokka's mother, as she escaped using bloodbending, and thus probably terrifying the Fire Lord so much that he probably ordered the raid and subsequent murder. Iroh also did not interfere on the first Agni Kai on the show, only jumping into action to protect Zuko after he won and showed honor and compassion to a rival. Then assuming that Iroh wasn't changed because of the death of his son is insanely disappointing, specially coming from the Avatar channel. I always believed that the death of Lu Ten was at that moment the catalyst for the reformation of Iroh, and the reformation of Zuko and the Fire Nation; without his death, I think the series would've turned very different for both. It was a nice analysis, and I'm very happy you created this video...I always liked Iroh and considered him my favorite character, so thank you for correcting the misconceptions from this video; I never liked those nonsensical "unpopular opinions", and seeing you correct it with facts from the show and other media made me finally subscribe to your channel. Keep up the good work Morgan...

I always felt confused how did the white lotus recruit Iroh or was he a member in his youth and given the times how did they trust him

8:10 It's been a bit since I last watched Avatar, so correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't Chou attack Zuko from behind AFTER he had already been beaten and thus the Agni Kai was already over at the moment Iroh stepped in?

To be fair, I can get that Iroh was “evil” before his son died. He did mention in his letter giving the knife to young Zuko that he would burn Ba Sing Se to the ground. But Iroh in the show? Hell nah.

I remember the Take Two thing on Harry Potter being a villian... so.. I expect this to go the same way.

It seems some of the people from the official Avatar KZfaq channel didn't pay too much attention to the series. Okay, Iroh didn't start out as a hero at the beginning of Book 1. Even if he was "antagonistic" towards Team Avatar at the beginning, it was all for Zuko. But at the end of Book 1, he showed sign of being a possible ally in the future.

Have the people saying he's a villain ever actually watched the show

About the Raid on the Southern Tribe, which was because they were looking for Hama aka the Southern Water Tribe blood bender that escaped Fire Nation prison. That could have been the source.

This gives me strong vibes of the response you made about that video from The Take claiming that Harry Potter was an anti-hero. The official Avatar channel probably won't take down their video, but it would be cool if this video could get more views than the Avatar channel's video. I know you can more than 55K views, so let's make it happen.

He wasn't evil in a sense he probably did the things he did because of his firelord father , other than that he's pure of heart, for his son , for zuko ,he spared dragons ,help aang and his friends , helped take away forced firenation control with the white lotus , sees goodness in all living and non living things, and makes great tea.

The source that lead to the Southsern Raiders, was actually Katara and Sokka's dad, looking for a Northern teacher for Katara

Im surprised he didnt say Aang was a villain for freezing in a block of ice 🤦🏽‍♀️ LITERALLY WHAT IS THIS LOGIC

The way iroh cared for zuko like a son proves he's not a villan because zucko is a very loving kind person at his core just like his uncle iroh

Also,during the Agni Kai,Iroh only closed his eyes because he couldn't bare to see his nephew suffer.

Iroh was neutral. He always saw the best of anyone and always saw the worst. Iroh was a true masterpiece to this series.

It's quite fitting that in 4 hours, this video has almost reached the same amount of likes than the one bashing Iroh had in over a year. EDIT: Tied in 6 B-)

I don't understand how that official channel would twist these words about Iroh and his true character as a whole. Seriously, even I know Iroh's character better than the very channel that touches upon ATLA. I was like OML can they just stop painting Iroh in an awful way. This is just very stupid on their part to think that Iroh has done something bad throughout ATLA series, but really he does the exact opposite of what they say about him as a character.

Who in their right mind would think that?

Since it's the official channel I can only say that their motive is character assassination because they don't want people to like Iroh, or for shock and click bait value. I also wonder if these people even liked it. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw Korrah and decided that the sequel series HAD to be better than the original, which is not really the case.

Please tell me they made that video private, just like with The Take and their video on Harry Potter... I was able to relearn quite a bit from this video, as I was mistaken in my belief that Iroh losing his son at Ba Sing Se is what made him a better person, as I didn't have much else on him pre-siege aside from protecting the dragons. Adding those smaller details about his thoughts on Young Ozai was a great idea.

If we could go by D&D terms. I think Iroh started out as Lawful or Neutral Evil when he was younger and sieging Ba Sing Se and then by the time the series starts he’s True Neutral or at least heading in that direction

At first I thought that the maker of the original video was one of THOSE Azula fans since they’re the ones I see most frequently saying that Iroh (and Ursa, her mother) is a villain but whoa was that something else 😳

I've always believed Iroh to be a good guy at heart he was always there to calm Zuko down when he angered

I cannot believe they said all of those false things about Iroh, he's my favorite character and I'm glad you're here to set the record straight.

Only thing 'wrong' Iroh ever did, was attack Ba Sing Se

does anyone LEGITIMATELY THINK IROH IS EVIL?????

As someone who has Suki tattooed on my arm, and my logo inspired from the show, thank you for roasting the living hell out of this joke of a channel.

You're darn right about the title of your video! Uncle Iroh Forever! 🙅

So we got an avatar version of that harry potter video from the take Explaining why Harry or in this case Iroh is a bad guy. I loved that video so I’m guessing this is good too

I Have never seen Iroh as a villian I have always seen him as thr sweet hood hearted caring uncle

Even if Iroh did some bad things, clearly he is passed it now and wants good things to happen. A great example is when he is protecting the moon spirit in the season one finale. And if Iroh was a villain, he would be a completely different man.

The funny thing is that they are being called out IN THEIR OWN COMMENT SECTION.🤣 90-95% of the comments are pointing out how wrong their facts are, how they're misrepresenting the fan base and that they are obviously doing it for the views.

being a villain means several things. thinking your doing things right. or knowing your doing the wrong but continue. its like saying clearsight is a villain.

I’ve only just finished the last airbender and only watched it once, yet I still see how Iroh was a hero not only that but he’s the reason Zuko’s redemption arc happened.

4:14 I thought he was called the Dragon of the West because he would drink Tea and breath out fire? It is in the season finale of season 2 when he was using it to help him and Zuko escape Azula

I’ve been a subscriber for a while and I want to thank you for making such thoughtful videos!!

On a mostly unrelated note, could you do a video about iroh being fire lord since he was the eldest I'm just curious on your take and and how different things would've been if maybe zuko's mum went to him for help instead of helping ozai kill azulon 😬

Holy moly this guy has the amount of common sense of a 14 year old Twitter user. I can’t believe Nickelodeon said this was okay.

In a future hp vid, you should make about either the ministry or the shops in diagon ally.

Also Iroh didn't interfere with an Agni Kai, Zuko won the Agni Kai and Zhou attacked him after the duel was over. That's when Iroh stepped in he didn't interfere with the actual duel.

Iroh was always the voice of reason. Had rhe greatest character arch in history completely off screen minus the moments we short we had in the "tales of ba sing se" episode. Cant imagine anyone ever thought of him as a "villain". Or even as an antagonist

This isn't a new thing, tons of "official" fandom channels are nothing but cash-grabs run by people who've hardly, if ever, actually consumed the material that they claim to represent. They have people write scripts for them, don't bother to actually do any fact checking, and then they read them for the videos. This is one of the many reasons channels like yours and Dean's actually have consistently loyal viewing audiences, you guys care about the material you speak about and if you make a mistake you own up to it, those "official" channels don't care about having integrity because they can slap together some clickbait knowing it'll draw people in; they only care about clicks.

You’re absolutely right and they called themselves avatar fans but he’s basically are trying to ruined iroh

The nickname the dragon of the west is literally because he is good at firing fire out of his mouth

Maybe you can say from a objective standpoint, he was when he was a war general; but after his son died I think he seriously changed. Although I’d like to hope he would’ve been a fair ruler, if he conquered the earth kingdom; than ozai would be. Other than that, how can you say that with a straight face? Also on a side note he was fighting for his nation/country under the Order of his father.

The 3 dislikes on this video are just the 3 people who worked on the "IROH IS EVIL!!!!!!" video.

As someone who hasn’t watched a MovieFlame video for a while, HOLY CRAP THE MUSIC IS SO NOSTALGIC

I agree iroh is definitely NOT a villian, in fact I believe iroh had a bigger heart than most of his family ever did.

They privated the video, no doubt due to how much backlash they got for such a stupid take. You have to be as bad faith and dishonest as possible to lie and claim that Iroh was evil. Even at his worst he was nowhere near as bad as people like Ozai or Azulon but he still felt incredible guilt for his past.

The simple conclusion is, the people manning the official account are probably the same people who made the live-action-movie-that-should-not-be-named😆

You are so right. Also, could you do a video about Asami next?

You know that one scene from Muppet: Treasure Island? Where Mr Arrow hits Polly Lobster against the tree, with his head in his hand? That pretty much describes my feelings about this video on Iroh.

Iroh has same story as Zuko. Did some questionable stuff, realised he was in the wrong side and changed for better.

I can't believe that video exists in the first place..... On their OFFICIAL KZfaq channel, no less! Who let that happen? like WTF

Regarding the Agni Kai comparisons, the Agni Kai against Zhao was finished by the time Iroh stepped in. Against Ozai, the first bending of fire was the one that created Zuko's scar, so the Agni Kai hadn't even begun yet.

The very first ep is the only ep where it oh attacked to gang, every other time they were more or less on the same side

I have no idea how anyone could see him as a villain!! One of the best characters ever written in my opinion!

Oh my lord, the guy sounds so smug and annoying while giving his points. "Am I saying Iroh's a bad guy? HAHA yeah, pretty much!"

"What is better, to be born good? or overcome your evil nature through great effort?" - Pathurnaax, Skyrim

Next video: Reasons why Toph is a villian! (She abandoned her parents, breaking thier heart.)

I just tried to watch video and it’s been privated 😂

Even someone who doesn't understand the language of the show would know Iroh is not a villain. So ridiculous

The time he helped Zuko attack Team Avatar by shooting a giant fireball at them was pretty funny though

When is part 2?When is part two coming out of your video on the new series

This hurt to watch only because of the clips from the other channel reaching so much to slander Iroh. Like he's a complex character. Who woulda thought.

Man you should be in charge of avatar official chanel

6:58 one of the thumbnails has zukos scar on the wrong side and it weirds me out lol

Reminds me of when MovieFlame released a video called "Harry Potter Is NOT a Villain" which was Morgan providing a good counterargument to a video by YT channel 'The Take' calling Harry an anti-hero (tho I barely call what The Take wrote an "argument" cuz let's face it, their claims were weak and didn't have secure evidence). Thank you for another great video Morgan and for always fair to other content creators, no cursing, just facts, no lashing out, but providing evidence and the canon material it can be found in. The most you've done to be rude is suggest they don't know much about the show they're claiming themselves to be an official channel to and yet you're still not being rude to be pointing out this irony, I'm sure fans would be screaming these facts in a rage. Keep doing good and keep up with these great vids 👍✌️😊

I also often watch the official Avatar channel. Apparently, Iroh is a popular choice on their KZfaq community tab polls seeing as he is a well-liked character (please don't get me wrong, I know why, and I too like Iroh). I guess they kind of got sick of everyone rooting for Iroh on almost every poll featuring him and decided to make a video against Iroh to push people off.

Their video is definitely wrong. Good for you to rebuttal them, MovieFlame. Iroh is one of the goat of fictional characters imo.

Iroh is such an evil guy he should start a League of Supervillians with Dumbledore, John Cena, Santa Claus, and SpongeBob.

Yeah, there was nothing that screamed villain to me with Iroh as far as I remember.

wow I didn't think such a response would be made for such crap thank you so much movie flame what's worse is they left the part that showed how human he was when the fire nation went to invade the northern water tribe to killer the moon spirt Iroh is the one who spoke to the general and even tried to kill me

I have always been wondering can you make a video on all of the different creatures and mythical creatures in the Harry Potter world including Vampires

I'm so lucky I haven't stumbled across the vid. I'd been so upset to hear one of my favourite characters PERIOD slandered

Whoever made that vid calling Iroh a villain, probably didn’t have any ideas on what to explore and talk about, so they just made that up and twisted things around. There is a hard truth though, people listen to more of what discredits and vilifies somebody, towards anything in general and not just the Avatar show.