I mean, I remember buying Doom of the Eldar and the old 'Al Pachino' Horus Heresy box from B&M Bargains years ago, but imagine Lidl selling Warhammer.... 😵

I’d agree with that. I’d love to be able to field a bunch of elder phantoms and super heavy grav tanks that would cost a fortune at 28mm scale

I mean every previous edition game been in 40k

Tau are for steers or queers.

@@murphy7801 The 1st edition of Space marine and Titanicus was in the HH - marine vs marine. It wasn't until 2nd edition the other races appeared.

Tiny Necrons, and all of those Canoptek vehicles. Monoliths everywhere!

I think the ELdar and Orks were added by the codex titanicus expansion (probably precisely because just having the space marines fighting space marined of the core game was pretty dull after a while and in any case the diversity of force options was a good idea). They folded it all together in one set for Space Marine, but that was set in 40k rather than the Heresy. EDIT folded it all together for Space Marine 2nd edition that is

I was more referring to the Eldar titans introduced in White Dwarf 110, which were explicitly stated as showing up in battles during the Heresy to fight against the forces of Chaos.@@badbones777

@@semajnollissor661 WD 110 was also rules for troops in Adeptus Titanicus as well and predated Space Marine (WD110 was February 1989 and Space Marine came out in summer) and was basically Space Marine before Space Marine, but yes, they never really bothered with aliens much in the Heresy era, but then they never really settled on what the Heresy even was until 2nd edition beyond it being a civil war - it's part of why I'm not that interested in it. I loved that 2nd ed Space Marine came with 3 fairly playable and different armies, was a great game

Yeh, I've always wished they would drop at least an Ork codex for us to use our HH era armies against. Just for the fun at least. I think it's lame that they've shifted towards the siege of terra in 2.0. I don't think they properly covered early and mid heresy to begin with.

@@jamesespinosa690 Honestly the lack of xenos in Horus Heresy is probably mostly to prevent the game becoming an alt-ruleset that competes with 40K but the xenos have definitely been weirdly underserved in a lore sense. Like people have been saying on Reddit that the human focus is inherent to the setting but in the past xenos absolutely were involved on the periphery. In the new version of the story it's almost like they're standing to one side like gentlemen and letting the Imperium get on with it.

Totally agree. I hope that LI succeeds and leads to that sort of expansion in the future!

Egg-zackly. But also! Why give people a second way to play they're favourite army and divert them from your already lucrative product lines?!

I agree. I'm not going to buy my 40K army again, but tiny. I wasn't interested in dipping into HH models, because it's the same scale as before, but just more space marines. This move might actually get me to dip into HH.

They are amazing, I’ve been wanting to talk about them for a while.

So? It's not even the same game. It's 2023. Rick Priestley has had nothing to do with 40K for nearly 20 years.

It was actually the original Adeptus Titanicus that created the Heresy, the precursor to the space marine game. The titan molds were too expensive.

​@@McinnesterThat's correct.

@@WardenOfTerra”Why so serious”

Yes I was thinking the same thing, and then you wouldn’t loose the guys cause they would stick to the board

I want travel space hulk

Yeah, when done right, it's a great way to learn about and teach others about cultures that haven't really had their time as anything other than stereotypes. And by moving beyond stereotypes, you can create something more unique and interesting that no one has done before. I mean, do you really think Warhammer Orcs would have drawn from football hooligan subculture if they had been made by people who weren't British? Sure, they're a comedy stereotype, but they're uniquely British in a lot of ways - I doubt an American would have the idea to bring the two elements together. Ultimately, we as creators and artists should strive to make an effort to involve people from within those cultures who have the expertise and sound advice to navigate the tricky waters of historical shittiness that a lot of these cultures have had to deal with. In your example, understanding how the Maori tattoos are really an important cultural touchstone and not just treating them all as interchangable rad-looking props is a great thing to do, and I'm glad to see more and more folks taking the time to listen and learn about these real human traditions and practices and the nuances contained within all of them.

I thought Charcaradons ( Space Sharks) were meant to be Maori?

Dinky Dakka! It should have a folding clamshell design, possibly with a boggle style dice popper?

@busktildawn this is sounding brilliantly close to 40k Polly Pockets!

@@jamesturner998 primarch pocket 😂

That was such a cool model and concept -really wanted one as a kid. The giant Zeppelin thing too!

What are you talking about? 30K has LEGIONS. 100K marines PER army.

@@WardenOfTerra I think they mean diversity of models, not literally the number. As in doing it this way They only have to make Space marines. Not Space Marines and eldar and nids and so on - it's one set of models for basically everyhting in the game beyond the odd special Legion specific thing (if they do them). It's one set of sculpts for everything in the game

Conversely, my favourite thing about OG AT/SM Epic was that, initially, it was like vs like. None of this flipping legion specific rules bloat!

You do have have 3 different factions model wise. Solar auxilia, space marines and mechanicum. All 3 of them have their own things. The big difference is that all 3 soup perfectly with each other. Narrativly and from a game perspective. (Also 70% would by the imperium side anyways) My bet is that they use this release to see what the interest is. When the heresy is over (bookwise) we get the scouring which is the perfect opportunity to introduce orks and eldar. From that to 40k is rather easy. Just primaris, tau, tyranids and necrons. Expecting that they release like 14 different factions with 15+ new miniatures each without even checking if the market wants it is asking for too much.

Too kind

😂🤣😂

Glad I wasn’t imaging it.

@@thepaintingphase If I remember the short story of the same name, the Deathwing wears white in honor of a squad that had a last stand on their very, very Plains Indian themed home world.

Came here to say this, glad someone beat me to it.

It was early Space Hulk lore from the Death Wing expansion - before GW created the different wings for the Dark Angels later on.

Wait... Holy shit. That's genius

They could still branch into that. Maybe they are just testing the waters?

Yeah this is also my opinion for big 30k, just give us a campaign book or three set in the crusade. That lasted way longer than the Heresy and let's you play with Orks and Elder, and they could drop a couple pdf armies like they did militia and demons and give you some other aliens and humans. Quite like the idea of using some of those vansarr necromunda kits for the Interex or something.

They can always do an expansion based on that. It's not difficult.

Isn't this just 40k but without the appeal of modern 40k? A huge part of the reason for setting it in the HH is they only need to create 2-3 ranges to cover the whole scope. In fact, the inability to bring all the 40k factions immediately into small scale is exactly where the HH was invented in the first place. In the initial release of Titanicus, and then Space Marine, they created the concept of this immense ancient civil war to explain why two identical factions were fighting each other.

You'll enjoy reading the Cain series, I may have pick it up from that

Actually, just being set in the HH should be no excuse to exlude xenos. I would be more than happy to have Orks, Eldar, Interex... whatever in HH. Early HH units are straight from the Great Crusade anyway. Would love to play in that setting. They could even add new races that are extinct in 40k.

Game is super fun. Can't wait to see how it grows

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I’m blaming Pat, possibly…. - Geoff

Nah...much cooler being Heresy.

@@batteredwarrior Oh yeah.. SO cool... space tin cans vs slightly less boring space tin cans using the same models for every unit. What could be MORE exciting? Aside from a prostate exam from a doctor with poor depth perception. The game is headed for obscurity. Nobody cares. There's literally 30 copies gathering dust in our local store, nobody wants to waste the money on yet another dead gw abandoned in a year ip.

If only.

Print like your life depends on it.

Couldn’t be worse than her owner!

Needs a Sharpe expansion too.. for no apparent reason they are all using flintlocks, shooting lead bullets.. and somehow are outgunning heavy bolters squads

@@MarkOfTzeentch oh absolutely, but that comes out in the second season with a different version of Shawn Bean for the Peachy, Geoff, and Patrick factions and then having his own faction

Was just about to type the same 👍🏼

Don't need to magnetise your bases when the base IS the magnet

I think that's probably what it is, but on the other hand the popularity is arguably already there - fans have kept Epic going for ages even adding rules for other races that came long after Epic was no longer supported by GW, so I'd be very surprised if it weren't. On the other hand a lot of the people might already have armies and play with the living fan rules so might not bother with an official thing after all this time. EDIT Folded it all together for Space Marine 2nd edition, that is

@@badbones777 I just feel lots of people like me, who would have bought into proper epic, aren't gonna get LI and Gw will think it's a failure and we'll never get new epic

I’m mostly a sweetheart tbf.

Indeed. That's no new idea at all and around for years. An it's great! I did a 15mm Zone Mortalis board. Still a lot of work, but manageable.

Tyranid Bio Titans!

I was a bit off on the metal 2-gang cover at least from the US side it’s a little short of a 6”x6” Legion scale to make a 24”x24” Kill Team board.

Except there's already 2 factions in the starter. With probably several others in the way.

@@Matcapoeira86 two factions who can be played as foes or allies.

All factions can be played as foe or ally

Genius!

You lucky thing.

Yep, Vanguard have some very decent proxies. Alternative Armies have some good 15mm proxies too if you're not 3D printing!