The Old World is a specialist game so the scope will reflect that. Nothing wrong with RNF gameplay being supported again in whatever capacity and whatever focus they feel comfortable with.

Alot of TOW discourse focuses on "old players" completely forgetting the fact that there have been an insanely successful trilogy of games (warhammer total war) in that setting that are rank and file that players want to collect those armies and play the tabletop game too but havent been able to, we want it to be the actual full launch because not including any one of those factions in the game leaves a certain amount of money on the table and players out of the game. The whole "its just old people moaning about an old game" is just ... not true, its echo chamber nonesense imo

Im really into The Old World, I hope it does good.

Peachy, will you stand for this kind of Old World smack talk?!

Pat and Geoff, the classic painting phase combo

If MESB and Horus Heresy are successful enough for GW to sustain their existence, I don’t see why TOW would do much worse.

I absolutely love how all of your thumbnails and titles are deranged furious anger but then the podcast itself are the chillest nicest calmest people on the planet lol

Honestly, the only way to deal with the pressure of the GW release cycle is to disengage. It can be for a little while, or permanently - but the culture of constantly keeping up just doesn't exist outside of their ecosystem, so chilling out from GW for a bit is by far the easiest way to stop feeling that pressure. There are SO many other amazing games and IPs you can dive in to if you need a break, but the only way to get that break is to admit that you need one. If your finances and time can't keep up with the game enough for you to enjoy it, that's not the game for you... and thats FINE. I don't play 40K these days... I have two armies, but I don't even close to have the time to work on them, or get games in, and when I do try to get games in, I don't have time to keep up with the rules changing so frequently. As a direct result of this, I discovered Infinity and Battletech, two games with tons of cool minis and lore, but both with reasonably static rules systems and much lower overheads in terms of model requirements and time investment. It's thanks to these two games that I get to still have a hobby, whilst engaging on my own terms. I think a LOT of 40K players are probably struggling to understand that what they might need is just a little space from 40K.

As an old Fantasy player (from 3rd Ed all the way to 8th) I have a load of armies and all the rules but it's nice to see a new product being released. I'm mostly interested in the rules but it'll be nice to see some unavailable models being available again and the occasional new sculpt coming along. I also like how the armies are being released. It's a niche product and that's fine. It's just nice to have it as a product that's available once more.

Launching TOW with a completely new line-up of miniatures is completely unrealistic. It’s not what any miniatures developer is doing - new stuff gets released gradually. I can’t understand why you would expect otherwise or why only the contrary would get you excited.

I'm not sure why TOW not having a full range refresh is different from each 40k new editions. Most people already have their army, most models stays the same, but it still sells well.

I completely agree about the meme lords. I feel like they mostly don’t actually know anything about the lore, at least on a deeper level. Like they’ll refer to Khorne like he’s just some big dude with anger issues, rather than some unknowable cosmic ball of emotion. And I think Geoff is spot on that they are mostly people who don’t collect, paint etc and because they are just looking at the surface level at something they have a passing interest in they just boil everything down to its simplest most obvious parts.

Loved this one gents. Good to see you guys just taking amongst yourselves. And Happy New Year!

We definatelly follow different sources when it comes to the Old World. Mine were all the rage about it, buzz non stop. And I nearly fell for the hype and nostalgia with Bretonnia. But everything was sold out after 2 hours 😂

I hope The old World does well and that we also will se a re-release of some of the classic plastic dwarfs that we had in the old Warhammer Fantasy game. When it comes to painting I think people must do it as they like it, fast or slow. It is a hobby, and it should be fun.

I just can’t fathom why GW doesn’t put an item up for preorder, let everyone who wants the item make said preorder, then go to the manufacturing section and say we need X amount of this item, once the preorders are dealt with they can then produce a second amount for retail stores etc to put on their shelves. It seems like such an easily solved problem and nobody needs to miss out.

As a Mancunian I'd just like to say it's great having beach front property now. :P

I think the GW mono-pose models look absolutely great as display pieces, truly second to none. But to me, when they're part of a larger force the dramatic poses stand out awkwardly, especially when they are repeated several times throughout an army. I see multi-pose kits the same as painting an army with a basic paint job that is applied consistently. It looks fantastic when it's all put together even though the individual models might not be the best painted.

Found myself just nodding along to this episode for most of the questions. Very fun chat and well done to the Discord people for asking some fun discussion topics! :)

Great video as normal lads great work. love hobbying away to your videos 😊

Whoever asked that Forgeworld resin question was clearly and incredibly handsome, intelligent, and inciteful person! :P Glad Geoff agrees with me tbh. There is no other product out there that I would spend 3 or 4 figures on and not accept it being perfect. Can you imagine buying a £2grand TV and being ok that there's a dropped pixel?

I've been out of the hobby (40K) since not long after 4th edition, having started during 2nd edition with og Necrons. Binging your podcasts has reignited my interest, and I'm now eagerly awaiting a Hierotek Circle Killteam set to arrive in the post. So thankyou you guys for reanimating this rusty Necron 🤘

I’d like to see: Codex as a physical book with a code. Distal only code. Faction cards with a code.

Really refreshing to hear people talk about these aspects of GW and it not to descend into real negativity. Great to hear you guys chat as always.

32:17 THE FORESHORE 😂 didn't expect my property law flashbacks to come up here. Great video guys, happy 2024!

Happy new year guys and all! :)

I feel like Get in the Sea is the grown up way of saying go fish.

love your content guys! keep doing what you're doing and happy 2024!

I personally put a lot of time into every figure I paint, because I enjoy the process - but I don't sit down at the computer and say "I need to find a video teaching me how to paint slower and more relaxed." Whereas a person who'd like to maintain more-or-less the same standard of painting but get finished faster *does* go looking for a video on how to simplify and accellerate their painting. So I'm sure that's a factor in why "Speed Painting Technique (TM)" is the most common subgenre of "how to paint minis" videos.

What Geoff was saying about how some memes sometimes have more of an impact due to the fact that people invest a lot in their army is VERY relatable. I have an ark army that have purple armour as I think that purple and green look lovely together. I can never post an image on reddit or in a Facebook group without the comment of "nice base but where's the Ork?" it was funny the first time but super tiring now, and kinda puts me off sharing them XD I really enjoyed this episode, a lot of cool things discussed.

Oh, it is very much different here in the Northeast US (NY area). All everyone is talking about in GW land is Old Hammer. Legion Imperialis is forgotten about. And, yes, people are buying all the things for Old Hammer...books minimum, lots of boxed sets going out, in addition. Whether it lasts or not, yes, I think remains to be seen as with anything. But the hype and the purchases are real.

The Canadian media rule is due to cultural erosion from the US. For reference, Canada is half the population of the UK, and the US is over five times the population of the UK. So we get a lot of cultural bleed-over from the US. The rule for Canadian produced content helps to stop us become US-lite (this coming from a Brit who emigrated to Canada and didn't understand why it was done this way at first).

Gw Sycophants definitely do exist lads!! Ive seen them in action 😂

Cheers lads 👍🏼

Oh, highlight of the week!

Praise the great algorithm. Thanks for the video!

Well, this thumbnail has all the intrigue. **plonks squarely in the Watch Later pile** Seriously, guys your thumbnail game is ace. Looking for are to finding out what the heck's going on when I have time later :)

I can’t wait to get into old world, tho will wait for either goblins or elves to come out. Love the game format with block units, feels like a real old school battle. Guess it’s different strokes for different folks

16:29 regarding competitive play and having to play good lists Vs playing for fun. I always take a fun narrative army to games, rather than any sort of efficient/good list. The trick is finding joy in TRYING to win, rather than winnings. I view it like playing your favourite video game on hard mode, the odds are against you, and yes you'll lose a lot more, but the fun is the challenge.

From manchester, the weather was dreadful, where we were it had a "tornado" hit. Seriously was on the news, shooketh!!

for easy to build kits i tend to use the vallejo mold remover to hollow out the holes for the pegs (it tends to have the right size). no isue's since then.

As an old Fantasy player I like that I can get what looks like a better rules set and then get my old armies out of the loft - so will buy the books but not the minis and have a few fun games and maybe an odd one day tournament - but hope it stays casual and people don't start screaming about 'meta' and 'balance updates'

As someone who got into Fantasy via Total War I am very happy to have the Old World released but I do recognise that some of the sculpts are lacking in this day and age. Also very sad to see my beloved Dark Elves not getting support :'( Malekith shall not forget such a slight!

Multi pose vs monopose - I have > 120 Ork Boyz in the older sculpt. I have built the same model 6 different times with a different head. Poses are identical. I didn’t do it on purpose.

Speaking of posable 3d printed models, Adamant Arsenal is doing a second Mecha kit right now, and he's come up with a rather interesting double ball joint that allows you to basically put the model together without gluing arms, legs and torso on, and then pose it like how you'd pose an action figure, and only then glue everything together. Doesn't matter what resin you're using to print the guys, 3d printer resin isn't designed for action figures, so you're gonna have to pick a pose and glue everything to that pose. Or alternatively you could use an FDM printer to print the ball sockets, that way you could legitimately keep the guys as action figures. The whole set including stretch goals is 25 euros. Fucking brilliant value when compared to a lot of guys who'll make an STL set that's not even full models, just bits for marines and sell it for 60 euros.

No issue with Space Marines being poster boys. I do have an issue with Space Marines getting a disproportionate number of releases every year, when compared to other factions. We're on the 3rd iteration of scouts, 3rd iteration of Terminators. Theyve had a swathe of new units every year, even since 10th edition theyve had a bunch of new units and will be getting more. Meanwhile, we're still sat on the 1st iteration of Warp Spiders from 1994, 1st iteration of Wracks, etc etc. New releases for Necrons in 10th were a couple of characters, AdMech got a single character unit. Theres already 2 new units for Dark Angels - another flavour of Marines. And we're pretty confident there will be similar for Blood Angels, Space Wolves etc. I think its that part of the "poster boy" position people are frustrated with

Looking slick Pat!

The Canadian law that scuppered WH+ was actually a language bill. Under this bill, any commercial service available in Quebec must be available in French. For whatever reason, WH+ and/or the app does not satisfy the qualifications of the bill. It's weird because WH+ is kind of a streaming platform, kind of a gaming app, and kind of a marketing device, but for whatever reason, because it's not French enough, you can't subscribe here. FWIW Canada does have laws re: broadcasting content that a certain amount has to be of Canadian derivation. I think this law was first brought into effect out of concern that local Canadian broadcasting would be simply overwhelmed by American content.

So true, i love to actully hold the book, have it on my shelf and then its all the loré, but i still use the app for when we do games

Oooooh we get to see Pat's pins!

very enjoyable as always lads!

Interesting take on the codexes. On the one hand, I do love the up-to-date rules you get through the app, on the other hand, I do enjoy to browse the codexes for the lore, color schemes, etc. I feel they should split codexes in two: one part with only the rules, and one version where you only get the lore and hobbying side. If you buy either, you get access to the rules in the app. So if you're not interested in the lore part of your faction (because you already have it in 9 codexes from the past), you can only purchase the rules. And if you purchase the lore part, you automatically get to play them as you get the rules in the app. This would also support in the people that don't have/want the app as they still have access to the book.

Another cracking chat, gents! When it comes to "monopose" vs. "multipose," I think the general gripe isn't being unable to pose models in different ways so much as having parts be interchangeable across kits without chopping, hacking, filing, and/or filling, and in a lot of ways, I agree with them on that point. That said, I do think "modern", mono-pose GW kits are far more dynamic and cooler than the minis of yesteryear.

Controversial, I know, but it's a huge bugbear of mine: I mostly disagree on the Forgeworld resin. Everyone loves to complain about the price and the quality, and... I mean, I don't disagree that they're costly and a pain to build compared to styrene, but to an extent that's also just a fact of life with resin kits. The question generally isn't whether you could get these kits more cheaply, but whether they exist at all. Resin has much lower setup costs than styrene but much higher labour costs because it's basically impossible to automate. According to your own previous interview, that's why Finecast was so rubbish: they tried to speed up resin casting! There's been some QC issues in the past, and there's inherently going to be more problems with big wide flat things like you find in tank kits. Things like swords warping are unavoidable, if you don't want to deal with that then just don't buy resin, but personally I'm happy that we have the option to get some of these more-esoteric kits. But the bottom line is that if you're asking for resin to be as cheap and problem-free as styrene, then you're asking for people to be dramatically underpaid. If you accept the prices GW charges for their excellent styrene figures, then the prices they charge for Forgeworld resin are honestly actually pretty good in comparison.

I know I'm a few weeks late but great episode. I think the increase in speed painting videos is interesting and it has a direct correlation to the output GW currently have with their models, or also the increase in new people getting started with the hobby who just want to play

Not gonna lie but that thumbnail looks like a video titled "40 years of warhammer, a hobbyists journey from his youth to his later years".

GW's insane pricing. I get that inflation is a thing but their price hikes have always outstripped inflation. Honestly its put the breaks on me buying kits I want to fill out my Necromunda, 40K, and AOS forces.

For the subassembly dude - gorilla gel superglue works great if you’re careful and use small amounts, doesn’t tend to spread and move about too much

The physical book thing gets me too. I really want a physical book to help me digest the rules, so I tried to buy the mini rulebook fromm GW, but their website was broken.

I 100% agree with FOMO getting straight out of 2024! I was hung up wanting to get into the Old World but I don’t have the capacity to start fresh in a new expensive game right now, but seeing everyone putting in their pre orders just makes me feel completely left out and I hate it! I’ll lean into my new Cities of Sigmar army! Here’s to a better 2024!

GW Killa Kans are also a ball and socket design. They were designed that way due to having plenty of options, both in terms of rules and models and the bits from that kit are also fully interchangeable with the Deff Dread kit. (The rant.............. And so it begins.....) That idea of interchangeable parts was the bedrock of all Ork kits from around 4th edition to 7th edition and actually pre dates it to 3rd edition when the multi part Boyz kit came out. (We now have a slightly changed version of that same kit) The Shoota Boyz and Slugga Boyz, Lootas, Burna Boyz, Runtherd, Stormboyz and Mekboy can all be kit bashed without any chopping of parts. The same can be said for any Boy model that came on a Bike, Battlewagon, Trukk, Deffkopta, Stompa, Gorkanaut or Jet kit. That same pattern was followed with the interchangeability of parts in the Nobz, Flashgitz and Meganobz kits. That level of kit bashing was so easy and fun to do even for beginners. Just throw all of your bits in a box and have at it. That in itself surely adds value? Creativity? Extra fun? It was promoted by GW, encouraged by White Dwarf and embraced by the community. From roughly 1999 to 2017 that was the norm and that was the culture of the Ork hobby community. It was very unusual to see any two Ork armies looking the same and new players were encouraged and helped to do it. In 2018 all of that changed with the release of the Buggies. All monopose, no options, little to no left over bits, unfinished sections underneath the buggies. Hell, even the Ork heads between each kit were deliberately made with different sizes and styles or had different connection points. :/ Next came the Beast Snagga release and the current Combat Patrol. Little to no options in many of the kits, monopose, models sliced in really awkward ways, forced load outs that don't make any sense. Less and less options in kits and rules. Now I see plenty of Ork armies looking exactly the same with multiples of the same unit and I also see the Ork hobby community embracing those changes and in turn making Orks of all things just as regimental as any other army. It is coming from both directions. New GW kits and tournament play. Lore like ''No two Ork vehicles should look the same'' was known by all Ork players for years and has quickly been forgotten. I can see where the monopose VS posability debate with Marines could be seen as a moot point due to the nature of many Marine armies, but that same argument with Orks is totally different because for years we were actively encouraged by GW to kit bash and create models that GW had rules for, but didn't make mini's of. GW encouraged us via White Dwarf articles, stories and rules to loot and kit bash other ranges into the Orks. GW gave us pages full of weapon options to choose from, knowing very well that we had a bits box full of left over parts, so it didn't matter if that weapon didn't specifically come with the unit we were buying. GW would give us tons of extra bits and bobs to mix and match and we rarely ever needed instruction manuals or a hobby knife. Did some in the community take it further with hobby knives, plasticard, toys and historical vehicles? Yes, but the entry point for a custom unique army was very small. GW made all of that the norm, only for them to change it and act like it wasn't ever a thing. And now people are wanting new models regardless of the downfalls of the kit itself. I recently put together the new monopose Boyz kit from the Combat Patrol....... omg what a chore on so many levels. Do they look nice? Some of them do and some of them don't, but receiving a couple of nice Ork Boyz only to be given a weird forced weapon load out that I've never seen anyone use, half a Nobz face is missing, no extra Boy heads and the kit itself goes together pretty horribly and you are basically forced to use the instructions due to the slicing of the models. After that experience I didn't want to make another 10 and struggled to get anyone to buy my last 10. I have never had that same negative building experience with any other Ork kit, including the metal, finecast or FW ones. To make it worse, GW have since released those new Boyz in a Battleforce and possibly again shortly in an upcoming box. I have a ton of converting and scratch building experience, but even I don't want to work with that kit again. The new Mega armoured Warboss has no options at all. The leader of the most unique rag tag faction is the same from army to army and it doesn't even have rules to use something different. The pattern continues. No doubt that will be the direction of a new Killa Kan kit and that direction is personaly draining all the love I had for something from 1999 til now. The limited rules and options was one thing because we could always get around that with model creativity and a bits box, but limited bits within the recent kits are now making bits boxes less of a thing and that is yet another part being ripped out of the Ork hobby community and yet another part contributing to many Ork armies looking the same. It isn't just a monopose VS posable thing for me. It's a less bits for your money thing, it's a change a community overnight thing, it's a less options and rules thing, it's a less creativity thing. It's promoting something totally opposite to what drew me to that army in the first place. It's night and day really....

More into 40k but I love the old world and Warhammer Total War series. There's just something about ranks upon ranks of units marching to battle that just looks incredible, makes AoS looke like a skirmish. I hope it works out but they probably need to drastically simplify the rules. One further point - it's unrealistic to expect a range refresh on that scale for a brand new game when they can't tell if it will be a success or not (rightly, by seemingly most comments). If it is a success, they'll support it and update, but you can't expect entire ranges of new models for all armies on launch

Not a miniature related hope, but I wish Creative Assembly would get their shit sorted this year and make good new content for Total War Warhammer again.

I can see myself picking up the Old World rules and both of the Army List supplements but tbh, I'll probably use Kings of War minis with the odd GW splash. Other than those rulebooks I don't need anything more from the game.

The stock situation is not good. So wanted to get into Imperalis and an intro day at my LFGS on the 26th of this month. Because there has been next to no stock since release date, I can't even build a force in time for the event. Not great for a new game system.

Hi Patrick, you got a link for the resin you spoke about? Interested to give it a try.

The Canadian thing is partially because you need Canadian content, but mostly because Quebec forces French content, which there is none on Warhammer+

Yea I’m with y’all on the let’s keep monopose. Haha I actually love when they’re fully built already. I print fully built models and love it. I like that Dave’s Ravaged Star has fully built models. They just look good!

With the monopose thing, my experience probably comes from a rare point of view (maybe) of just wanting cool looking minis regardless of gameplay, but monopose limits the loadout of what a model can have The models I have in mind with the problem is death guard: most every model and every piece of the model is near unique, so combining the 2 unique arms I want is most likely not the intended arms to fit the model. On the other hand, making drukhari scourges let me do that, with all the wacky weapon combinations I wanted (like the longest sniper and a whip) I understand why GW wouldn’t really care about this viewpoint as it discourages the initial purpose of the model- the gameplay. But that’s just my 2p worth

The production law in Canada also exists in Australia (for broadcast media). The new Canadian law brings online productions into line with their broadcast law. That's why you find a lot of the big Sci Fi TV series are filmed in Vancouver.

Honestly a lot of my painting videos are very close to real time. I try to edit to make it quicker but still racking up at least 30 minutes to paint one mini. Another great video guys. GET IN THE SEA 😂😂😂

I've only recently started playing 40k, I used to think that the books were over priced and that mobile rules were better. But after getting into Kill Team and using the online rules for chaos Legionaries and the Compendium/ year 2 rule book I'm 100% pro codex books. Constantly having to open my phone and scroll on a small screen compared to just having the 5 pages infront of me was the nail in the coffin. My online gripe Is that they should be cheaper then the current retail prices, but you can always buy from another retailer or pre owned.

Can I just say - having joined in the era of the powertrio - that this duo setup was really enjoyable as well, for a different energy. Would not mind if this turns into a regular format. (still love the Peach, no worries 😂!)

What could have been a negative or defensive episode as usual turned out to be a well-balanced discussion as usual. Favourite takeaway Marines and Stormcast being basic :). I could have a whole list of personal dislike to get in the sea, but you know what can get in the sea, believing our individual views should be the whole of the hobby. If we allow ourselves to enjoy what we like and ignore the rest, it really does improve the hobby (learned from personal mistakes). Plus seeing what others are doing regardless of personal interest can open so many cool ideas and experiences Take the old world, in my view it's a revamp of a system that is showing its age (playing the old versions recently) while other games do rank and flank so much better. Also, such a missed opportunity to grab total war fans and others into rank and flank gaming. However, we will see a lot of cool hobby and great armies produced and may get some stunning new models so it's not for me but it's not a bad thing.

I am glad memes can stay lol But, I do I think certain ones can get in the sea especially the ones about hiding what you buy or how much you spend on wardollies from your partner. FOMO can get in the sea. I think GW could do a better job of addressing pre-orders and re-printing stuff. However, there is nothing stopping you from painting up what you already have and just enjoying the hobby for yourself and not getting as caught up in the new shiny stuff. 2024 enjoy hobbies for yourself and be less concerned with how others want to enjoy theirs :)

Ive watched 25 mins of this and had 4 ads for domino's pizza THAT CAN GET IN THE SEA

Old world should have been rules and army index book (like ravening hordes). If that took off then an index 2 including a limited selection of new units and minis. Only then should it have gone full throttle

Could you share a link to Fauxhammer's resin guide please?

I would argue the Gravis Captain has been the first primaris unit to be refreshed. The original Gravis Captain from the 8th edition starter kit (which honestly looked kinda bad) is now unavailable and looks quite different to the current Gravis Captain kit imo 🤷‍♂️

As havoc photo, thanks for answering my question but even moreso, thanks for telling me WHY those damned split content tiktoks exist! I've always wondered whats going on there

The app issues is simple IMO. They should adopt a credit system like Audible. Get one credit on starting the subscription to unlock a faction with the app. Then every 4 or 6 months gift an extra credit to the user. If they want to purchase another codex then they can and unlock it as normal. That way the mega nerds with loads of armies can pay for the flexibility, but a person with a casual one army can get their book "free".

I never understood the desolators. Some gravis armoured devastators is what I would have liked. (Speaking as a non player who just likes the models)

I think the free rules/codices/etc. point Geoff made about Infinity is even more interesting than he mentioned, actually. (And I listened to this while painting an Ariadnan Strelok, so I was thinking of it before he said it.) Corvus Belli puts the rules out for free - both a PDF and also a really thorough cross-linked wiki full of examples and so on; they have a comprehensive army builder online that also provides all the stats for all factions (even out-of-print ones), also for free. If you're happy proxying or using card standups and never attending a tournament, you can play Infinity without giving them a penny (and you should, although the minis are fantastic so you'd be missing out). In fact, the only thing you're really required to pay for if you want to access it is the fluff - the online rulebook just has the rules, but if you buy the hardcopy you also get a big background and timeline book, and there's periodic storyline/fluff update books that are only available printed. But the upshot of this is that the Infinity fluff just generally feels less accessible than the 40k fluff. I own the background books for the current and previous edition (and the second one they did in the previous ed.), one of the storyline update books that particularly concerned the faction I play, and I still feel like I know more about space marines and eldar despite not having played 40k for years. I probably don't, actually, but it feels like it - and I think the way GW more or less forces you to buy chunks of fluff as a entry price for playing the game actually really helps keep people engaged with the setting. I could cheerily talk to you for a while about why I chose to play Ulthwé and not Biel-tan or Iyanden, but I honestly don't have much of an attachment to Invincible Army over Imperial Service or White Banner other than just that the units I like the minis for are in it.

Exclusive store minis do my head in. I live in a town and the nearest GW is 60 miles away. If GW wants them to be exclusive then by all means first make them store exclusives, then 6-12 months later do a made to order run on their website. But once that window is done it is done.

Expecting TOW to have a completely new range of miniatures is wildly unrealistic. Even 40k releases don't refresh more than 20% of any existing army, and that's for the most profitable mainline game by GW. TOW is a niche product and as such seems to be outperforming initial expectations, at least if we look at the pre-orders and the fact that the first official battlereport on youtube is approaching Leviathan's view count.

Could have been worse Geoff, i got stuck in Aberdeen by weather 😆 For me the Old World is the chance to get into WFB in the first place, as i was only playing MESBG and 40k when it was supported, and I didn't get a chance to play before it went away. I always loved the lore and the world itself, but with ebay as my only source for old minis and books, just having it be possible to buy off the peg (🤭) from GW again is a massive bonus - I'm here for it!

As someone who has been continuing to play Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition since it was discontinued, It's not about having a complete range refresh of new models. It's just great that I'll be able to buy additional units for my armies without spending hundreds of pounds on eBay. It's also nice to know there's new rules/content being made for the game I enjoy.

For me Legions Imperialis can get in the sea along with The Old World - no offence to the people who like them but it feels like GW's stock issues are bad enough without adding entire new game systems into the mix. That said, Arbites Exaction Squad is in stock in a few places online right now! Most of the other "rare" Kill Teams are available too. Although I regret not getting one of the other Kill Team boxes as I want a full set of boarding actions and the other half as a Kill Zone is like £90.. might as well buy a full set. On that note GWs terrain pricing can get in the sea.

Part of the problem with the paint as fast as possible issue is the constant cycle of context creation colliding with the unending release schedule from GW, and both are hurting the community because it cripples people into not painting because they don't think that they can take the time to learn to paint, including making mistakes and starting over while also drowning them in a pool of unbuilt plastic that they may never get to. Maybe instead of it being new year new army it should be enjoy your army at your own pace.

Down side of relying on online apps for points, etc, is that when the app becomes unsupported for whatever reason (eg, when GW comes out with the next version of 40K a decides to drop support for the last version even if you don't want to upgrade) then you pretty are stuck. This to an extent happened with X Wing. Points moved on to an app, and now is all over the place. I have a lot of X Wing miniatures, and think we have played 1 game in about 4 years (and on that we ignored points as just introducing someone to the game)

A codex should be a lore and modeling book only It could even have a few battles to play out, Lore on Cold Steel Ridge, how to paint Ultramarines on snow.. then say hay, go find a Tryanid player and act it out. (no rules) Then do thin 12 times, that's a book i'd buy for each faction.

Imperial Guard and Citis of Sigmar should be the posterboys for the two settings, they are the most relatable factions. Neither are it genetically modified psychoindoctrinated killers (because that's what they are, and if GW would stop marketing them as the finest paragons of humanity, a lot of the problems we have in the hobby community might be alleviated) nor immortal sky-warriors made from reforged souls. Both factions are perfectly fine to have in the setting, but they don't need to be the faces of the franchise. Show me how a regular mortal reacts to the setting, it's much easier to get the grim-darkness across this way.

Controversial take: basing. Basing can absolutely go in the sea. Why, if I spent 20 hours painting a mini should I have to cover the base with glue, dunk it in sand, and slap a grass tuft on it for it to be tournament ready? In most cases it’s a whole separate set of materials. Let people who want to do it do it absolutely, but let the rest of us just use the factory bases.

Tbf spending money on anything I don’t build within a month and start painting within two needs to head for the life aquatic ASAP. I’m gonna get through the sprue pile before another penny gets spent.

no one thought they would do a plastic baneblade or stompa until they did, I reckon we'll get plastic titans eventually

Speaking of negative Nancie’s…. I thought you were going to be interviewing Northern Exile when I saw your title of this episode was “Get in the Sea” :D 55:19

Wild take on TOW there fellas 😝

I dont know if anyone has already mentioned this. But with regards to Canadians not being able to access the Warhammer+. Its because of Language laws passed in the province of Quebec that are effecting the rest of the country. From what I understand its cause Warhammer+ cannot currently be streamed in French.

I am really excited for the Old World but some of the model pricings are insane (Metal Yeoman Command for example). Another thing that frustrates me is there are no free indexs or free rules in a pdf online. I know GW wants to push book sales, but if 40k and AoS can do it, then we as a community should expect it as well. I will be holding off any purchases for now until Dwarves releases.

The Old World: I've got a lot of FB figures, but there were some I didn't get when they were available last time, so if they become available again I'll buy them. That's all. No interest in playing it, no interest in picking up new armies, I want to fill gaps in my old collection without paying insane Ebay prices