Is a Mid Engine ExoCar easy to make?

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I wanted to do more ExoCar stuff, and since the car gets heavily modified anyway, why not make this BMW looking ETK 800 into mid engine too. I was going to do a front mid setup, but too many people bugged me about it, so I won't be doing that :P
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@roguetickthecrayonpriest 7 ай бұрын

Mid engine? I mean it’s a pretty good engine, I wouldn’t call it mid

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

haha I was thinking that whilst writing it :P

@zetsu2816 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86Not mid at all lol

@FryPanProtogen 7 ай бұрын

Was is supposed to be. "What is mid engine ETK?"

@roguetickthecrayonpriest 7 ай бұрын

@@FryPanProtogen to be mid engined, or not be mid engined, that is the question

@leviridgeway5873 7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure since it’s in between the front and rear suspension it’s considered “mid” engined, even cars with the engine further forward but still just barely behind the front suspension, is mid engine Edit: I missed the joke

@mrkosmos9421 7 ай бұрын

In the words of an engineer I once knew, "We do this not because it is easy, but because we thought it would be easy"

@TrashPandaPirate 7 ай бұрын

My entire college career as a mechanical engineer has been very much like that lol

@TheRealAlpha2 7 ай бұрын

If watching some engineers have taught me anything is that they're way too comfortable with the phrase "eh, that should be fine."

@memorimusic420 7 ай бұрын

Mood

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

XD hahahahah I love this, and as a result am going to steal it

@Elomentoplayz 7 ай бұрын

2:16 I just imagine a pile of 60 transmissions in your driveway just chilling there now.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

haha only 2 spare ones

@Elomentoplayz 7 ай бұрын

2:44 The green car looks like something I would've built out of Lego when I was 7.

@AZEOforreal 7 ай бұрын

This reminds me of a thought I have been wanting for a while in Beam: a RWD Mid-Engine car, like a porsche or bug, but make it a cheap supercar with a compact layout!

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

The quintessential Porsche is rear engine, and for that we have the SBR4 As for a bug, the piccolina is fairly analogous

@epeli0035 7 ай бұрын

Porsches and bugs are rear-engined

@Infernostar18 7 ай бұрын

Normally all of your hardware gets moved up front (i.e fuel tank, battery, etc) to place some weight in the front. I kinda skipped through this one and didnt see if you did that or not. But that might help.

@DasParedes 7 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same, the car had so little weight in the front, I also thought that he could make the front suspension a lot more soft

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

yeah I completely forgot about the fuel tank, but no, most companies don't do that, because if there's a fuel tank rupture, it won't leak the fuel over the cabin. most supercars will have the fuel tank tucked between the engine and the passenger compartment... don't ask me, it's apparently safer

@Infernostar18 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 it makes sense to set it more inboard out of the line of fire. Im thinking more of porsches. From what i can tell, modern designs of mid engine cars, the cab sits almost on top of the front wheels, and all the amenities sit behind the cockpit. Whereas some cars like porsche, they set stuff like the radiator and fuel tank under the front bonnet to counter balance the engine dangling out of its rear like a furry cosplay buttplug tail.

@VampyrMygg 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Safer... like the Ford Pinto? :P they caught fire because the fuel tank got squished between the rear axle and the rear bumper bar if hit from behind.

@gagemax00 7 ай бұрын

26:56 If you put the matching set of the bronze wheels, added 20%ish camber up front, and added 15-25% toe out the front end shouldn’t wonder and that’d fix the front end grip problem

@Grips_ 7 ай бұрын

ETK (Exciting & Terrifying Kart)

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol

@General_Madness 7 ай бұрын

Why in the differential code does it say visualPositionRelativeChildren? I'm pretty sure that diffs aren't positioned around where the children are positioned. I have forgotten how to add timestamps, but it is at 11:17 in the video.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

hmmm not sure, maybe this is for debugging reasons in the powertrain visualiser?

@General_Madness 7 ай бұрын

yeah probably but just a weird way to call it

@aaronwalter1549 7 ай бұрын

a weight distribution as close as possible to 50/50 would generally improve handling and stop that crazy understeer.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

yeah, but you have to be able to tune the suspension still, and I'm just not very skilled at that stuff

@mrturtle3531 7 ай бұрын

„Its like understeering but still wanting to kick out the back“ congrats you made kimis f1 ferrari

@monkeybase01 6 ай бұрын

If it doesn't turn in, you can widen your front track a cm of 2-3-5. or narrow the rear track a bit. It will turn in better initially.

@benjaminrogers9848 6 ай бұрын

Mr2 seems kind of available in Australia, would be so awesome with a set of proper coil-overs

@fillman86 6 ай бұрын

I can get one with a blown engine for 10k... not budget friendly

@monkeyman9105 7 ай бұрын

Because of you I'm making an EXO car but small for my arts class at school! I might want to base it on one that you've made/are making!

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

digital or physical? man making one from a toy car sounds like fun!

@monkeyman9105 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 actually making one physical! Using iron wire, some wood and other materials, soldering it together! If I am happy with the results, I wouldn't mind sharing some pictures! I could make one from a Hot Wheels car but I think that's too small for me to work on 😂

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@monkeyman9105 yeah man, DM me with pics when you're done :)

@monkeyman9105 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 will do! I'm excited to continue working on it!

@0led 7 ай бұрын

you inspired me to start working with blender and coding:) Thx

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

oh man modding is a lot of fun :)

@NZMOPAR Ай бұрын

spring rate needs to change as the weight gets lighter also be cool if you could get into the engine stuff in the mod and turn the speed limiter off

@operaatio5117 7 ай бұрын

This really reminds me of that mid engine Audi quattro project for Group B that the engineers did without asking. The cars got sadly scrapped :( But I would have done this the easy way. Take the drivetrain from a AWD ETK, and flip it around.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

have the transmission facing forwards and have the drive shaft go back along the engine to the diff? I suppose Lamborghini did it that way in the 70s and 80s

@operaatio5117 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Rear diff becomes front diff and front diff becomes rear diff. If I remember correctly, the rear has a semi trailing arms, which would mean that the now the front driveshafts would have the capability to handle some turning.

@GrumpyIan 7 ай бұрын

I'm a little surprised that you didn't go full cheap and put a FWD in the back.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

I did that already with the covet. Transverse just isn't very supercar

@Elomentoplayz 7 ай бұрын

00:10 normal US Pepsi and Coke both taste awful because of the High Fructose Corn Syrup in them. Let's hope Coca-Cola doesn't cheap out in the glass versin of their products.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

haha and you guys had New Coke and squandered it :P

@lamp4498 7 ай бұрын

Mid engined T Series (gotta use the same suspension, engine, and must use 5 unaltered body parts/fender and hood parts)

@josephdarpa5859 6 ай бұрын

Just a heads up, with a welded diff on a car that has a rear weight bias you will not be able to turn.

@fillman86 6 ай бұрын

yep, but I guessed it'd be better than an open diff. The idea was that you'd cut corners to save money where ever you could, and a bmw lsd would be thousands of dollars

@Sirpuggington123 6 ай бұрын

hey, what app do you use to visualise the engine and body at 4:31?

@fillman86 6 ай бұрын

that's blender

@Sirpuggington123 6 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 thanks

@mozeskertesz6398 7 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to make a Mid engine 4WD Turbo Covet Rally.

@jwalster9412 7 ай бұрын

What of you take a front engine, rwd car, and you swap it around so its a rear engine fwd car?

@memorimusic420 7 ай бұрын

I love that you basically just shit absolutely fantastic ideas😂

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

haha thanks, I don't feel like I've ever struggled for ideas

@jaxsonsimpson-harris3113 7 ай бұрын

you should add weight into the front, by adding the gas tank to the front to help balance the weight more.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

for safety reasons, all mid engine super cars have the fuel tank between the engine and cockpit, but looking at this car, safety doesn’t seem to be a huge concern haha

@raphaelrodrigues1645 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Well, At the same time, Porsches have front fuel tanks. Both the 911 and the 718

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@raphaelrodrigues1645 I was specific to say supercars and not sports cars. Where if you look at the Carrera GT you'll see that it's in the middle

@raphaelrodrigues1645 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 makes sense. Although the 911 kind of goes too much over the edge of sports cars.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@raphaelrodrigues1645 there's arguments to be made, but if the rear engine flat 6 was enough, then why would they make the carrera gt?

@watersprite3935 7 ай бұрын

For once it's not the american car that has crippling understeer, maybe try an open diff and see what that does? Since the wheels WANT to slip because the torque wants to go somewhere, try an open diff to see if that lets you turn.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

open diffs suffer from their own issues :/ but I think it'd help mid corner, then hurt you on corner exit (which is arguably much worse)

@VampyrMygg 7 ай бұрын

huh... as a Volvo guy, I've owned a bunch of 240s, and even had one which shared an engine with the 340 in a 2 year window, the B200K. And I've never actually known about the transaxle... is that for the Renault powered ones then? with the 1.4 or 1.7? Though... the 1.4... I think those might have done the DAF thing with the variomatic even in the 340?

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

the 300 series cars were made by daf, with normal volvo engines, and normal volvo transmissions. the rear is where things start to get funky haha it has di-deon tube suspension (irs but with leaf springs), and some even came with an exposed belt CVT which is worth a look here on youtube haha

@VampyrMygg 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Yeah, that DAF Variomatic gearbox is hilarious, basically a belt between two cones :P And as a bonus, it has the same top speed in reverse as forward. XD But I'm realizing I don't know a lot about the DAF/PRV Volvos... need to fix that I think.

@CoolClipsAnimations 7 ай бұрын

You can get the Honda beat it’s mid engine or a 987.1 avoid 06

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol the price of those cars is off the scale at the moment! plus they don't tick the other box of having a big v8 or bigger engine

@CoolClipsAnimations 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 oh ok 👍

@StarFroggo 7 ай бұрын

This is the result of a BMW having an identity crisis between a front engine BMW, and a rear engine Porsche, but it then later decided it was going to become an ExoCar.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

this is mid engine, so it'd be more like a boxer or cayman, not what porsche is particularly known for, but I see what you mean :)

@BestMMK 7 ай бұрын

realy good video

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

thanks, I'm surprised you were able to watch it all in 10 minutes haha

@andyhargreaves2574 7 ай бұрын

Why not pull the v8 fwd wendover engine and trans and suspension and move it back and possibly spin it 180 degrees to make a mid engined car? Its what MG did to make the MGF, engine and trans was from the Rover25/mgzr Moving the fuel cell over the front wheels might help your weight distribution and handling

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

because I'd already done a transverse mid engine, and didn't want to do another

@thermalops 7 ай бұрын

If you do end up doing a car that is front engine, rear transmission like you said near the start of the video, if I remember right the barsto has a torque tube in it you could rip the model form

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

unfortunately it doesn't, that's just a driveshaft

@AdaBow10 7 ай бұрын

Sure. The vehicle might be a few seconds faster than a normal ETK car, but it sure does look cool heh heh 😅

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

agreed!

@wojtec4011 7 ай бұрын

The SBR4 has a transaxle. Btw can transaxles have a low high range box in Beam? Ive tried so many times to add it and it didnt work

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

unfortunately I was trying to go for mass produced and cheap, but that one is more like a Porsche part, and would cost a fair chunk of change

@raphaelrodrigues1645 7 ай бұрын

Any transmission on Beam with a transfercase can get a rangebox. You'd only need to change the transfercase.

@raphaelrodrigues1645 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Actually, thanks to VW, transaxles like the SBR4's are quite common, since they were put on A LOT of FWD VWs and Audis. Also, Subaru makes transaxles too

@wojtec4011 7 ай бұрын

@@raphaelrodrigues1645 It always didnt work with a transfer case

@raphaelrodrigues1645 7 ай бұрын

@@wojtec4011 man, it's really not hard to implement. The herdest par would be make it 4WD. If RWD or AWD is good enough, in 5 minutes you can add a rangebox to the SBR4's Transfercase

@jarredjohnson.7623 6 ай бұрын

Can you do this with the d series I have a engine I want to put in an exo car

@fillman86 6 ай бұрын

you can if you want :) the pre-runner is basically already that

@tokeiitoo 7 ай бұрын

This one is nuts! Can you make a... Pikes peak AWD Covet?

@jrgennodeland8323 7 ай бұрын

A summary: he spends a lot of time making a mid engined car, is then surprised that the mid engine car he made does mid engine car things and then blames the bad lap time on the car being "slow" and not him sliding everywhere and playing on a keyboard, which is the equivalent of doing surgery on a grape with a chainsaw while extremely drunk. Great vid tho

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

haha I try to make it more about the journey than the destination, but not everyone watches things the same way and I used a controller from thrustmaster that has a mini wheel on it. If I could afford to replace my sim wheel, I'd use it a lot more :/ but I'm a broke boy (not the mention that some people do successful speed runs with mouse and keyboard... somehow)

@jrgennodeland8323 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 Yeah the throttle just looked very on and off, and on a lightweight high power jittery car like this, thats even worse than usual haha

@leetsy7203 7 ай бұрын

One day Fill will learn to put the same wheels/tires front and back, one day...

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

did my editor cut out that part? or did you skip ahead? haha I couldn't find the right wheels that were wider on the rear, so instead of going fully random, I went with a look similar to the 787B's wheels

@leetsy7203 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 I watched it whole, just bugged me a bit to see the wide wheels at the back with the skinner wheels at the front, especially when you had grip issues using wider wheels at the front would have surely helped in that regard ;)

@manicgamingguy6161 7 ай бұрын

try messing around with the tow and stiffness, and get more weight to the front of the car. mid engine cars are always a had full to tune. not as hard as rear engines though haha

@manicgamingguy6161 7 ай бұрын

Also not sure but i think you had your front wheels to far in,. as in the track width

@manicgamingguy6161 7 ай бұрын

oh didnt you set the diff to bed welded?? that will not help in high speed corning.

@manicgamingguy6161 7 ай бұрын

I didn't know you was going to say that at the end.. I am more of a tunner of cars in automation but if you was to put a lsd on it for me then send my a link I dopnt mind giving it ago. maybe a good video idea for me.

@Kownterfiet1997 7 ай бұрын

Now make it twin-engined 😂

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

unfortunately there's some drivetrain limitations built into beamng

@Kownterfiet1997 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 fair, although I have seen it happen on the Mad Max twin-cover mod, you just can’t add anything to the engines in the part selector

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@Kownterfiet1997 some people have made custom lua controller files, but I haven't seen a seamless one yet... and I don't have that kind of skill

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

oh and most are faked second engines, dunno about that one though

@Kownterfiet1997 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 fair that makes sense

@anonym123jovan7 7 ай бұрын

pepsi is in germany as expensive as coca-cola :´) we got „cola“ here. like the cola is just called cola.. germany is weird xd

@anonym123jovan7 7 ай бұрын

i wanna correct myself for all the germans here. pepsi is ALMOST as expensive IF u search in the right markets.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

here coke is almost the same, only costing about 10% more. It was mostly for the joke because I'm guessing most people don't get LA ice :P

@ondrapisek9018 7 ай бұрын

Still thinking about the škoda Felicia

@nou1621 7 ай бұрын

What if you continue in like an exo series and next is an exo truck

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol with how this underperformed, I won't be doing one for a while

@Rocky1986nc 7 ай бұрын

you should make another lowrider truck but use parts from the lowrider car

@hugobolzer9183 7 ай бұрын

Not putting the gas tank in the front kinda triggered me😂

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

oh bugger, I completely forgot about the fuel tank!!

@ke1tecX 7 ай бұрын

Champagne tastes with mauby pockets lol

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

I know champagne, but I don't know what the other one is?

@ke1tecX 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 a popular drink in the Caribbean

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@ke1tecX ah, fair enough

@watsgoinonhere1 7 ай бұрын

10:47 I've never heard someone pronounce cache like that (it's pronounced cash, like money)

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

probably a regional dialect thing

@watsgoinonhere1 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 I suppose so. I do live in America, where everything has to be done different from the rest of the world.

@giovannibonifati 7 ай бұрын

Why video no in 480, i gotta watch 16 bit filman

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol that's random, the video only just finished uploading, so maybe that has something to do with it

@kennethporst4359 6 ай бұрын

Teach us How TO DO 🤘

@kj64gaming19 7 ай бұрын

welded diff really doesnt help with cornering. open diff in corners is better than welded.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

sure, but that is not without it's own problems too

@kj64gaming19 7 ай бұрын

What the heck Ferrari is that on the left at 0:36?? A 488 with an aero kit?

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

That is the famous Ferrari Png

@kj64gaming19 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 lmao

@smvuy 7 ай бұрын

you could have grafted a legran rear independent suspension!

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

I did consider that, but I didn't want to make another transverse mid engine

@TrueSucrose 7 ай бұрын

i have 2 transaxles that i can GUARANTEE have less strength than your ones both are for 60s to 70s volkwagen beetles and can be blown out by a clutch dump with 100hp

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol fair enough, they aren't "weak", but even the smallest turbo or mini supercharger mod and they'll shatter 2nd gear

@stanb1455 7 ай бұрын

What if Pessima Coupe but actually good?

@arnofleury5929 7 ай бұрын

sometimes too much toe in on the rear is not great

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

yeah, I'm stuck between understeer mid corner, and power oversteer on corner exit haha

@arnofleury5929 7 ай бұрын

i just found out why ... you left the welded diff in the back so it wants to drift mid corner or dosent want to turn in hahah@@fillman86

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@arnofleury5929 that's because I wanted to keep it "budget" and an LSD can cost thousands of dollars

@arnofleury5929 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86 yeah but most cheap cars come with open diff ...In my book for track purposes open diff is better than a welded one 😅😂

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

@@arnofleury5929 tbh I don't have a lot of experience with this specific comparison, so I'll differ to you

@GF-mf7ml 7 ай бұрын

Make Porsche 911 rear engine rwd it's easy. The AWD is not tho.

@nebo37 7 ай бұрын

Hello fil

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

high

@Kilgorio 7 ай бұрын

Wait I definitely commented but I can't see it😢

@Kilgorio 7 ай бұрын

I have to start commenting real things KZfaq is deleting my comments

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

odd... maybe youtube changed up it's filtering to save a little bit of storage? lol

@Kilgorio 7 ай бұрын

@@fillman86yea before it was that if I commented one thing too many times it would give me an error

@Pupperkins 7 ай бұрын

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

high

@Sleeper____1472 7 ай бұрын

How dare you speak down to pepsi.

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

lol tbh I live in a pepsi only house :P

@steliosm.7095 7 ай бұрын

day 9 of asking you to make the s13

@GJR44 7 ай бұрын

It's the 🏳️‍⚧️axle

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

eeeeeeyyyyyy

@beamngracer121 7 ай бұрын

first (pls pin)

@fillman86 7 ай бұрын

odd, it shows you second in line, but also that you did in fact, comment first... but also tied with third place who also commented at the same time as you in first :P come on youtube, we need to know theses things!!

@beamngracer121 7 ай бұрын

BTW nice video again i hope you will open live stream tommorow @@fillman86