Is CK3's Chapter II Worth It? (A Review)

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Soul Tomato

Soul Tomato

Күн бұрын

With Chapter II fully released we will be discussing the Chapter preceding it, only for comparison sake, and then discuss the four DLCs released as well as look to the future of CK3 and its future content. As always if you have any speculation of your own, feel free to leave it in the comments but be civil. We don't all have to agree but we should at least get along.
Trailers used for this video (via Paradox's KZfaq):
Wards & Wardens: • Crusader Kings III: Wa...
Tours & Tournaments: • Crusader Kings III: To...
Legacy of Persia: • Crusader Kings III: Le... & • Crusader Kings III: Le...
Other Sources:
Chapter I Information: www.paradoxinteractive.com/ga...
Chapter II Information: www.paradoxinteractive.com/ga...
Background music is the Arabia soundtrack for the Legacy of Persia DLC
If you'd like to contribute to future content on the channel, feel free to join us on discord with the link on the channel!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:29 - Chapter 1 Recap
01:45 - Chapter 2 Overview
02:12 - Elegance of the Empire
03:29 - Tours& Tournaments
06:03 - Wards & Wardens
07:34 - Legacy of Persia
10:34 - Chapter III Speculation
12:08 - Chapter II Rating
13:00 - Outro

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@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Slight Correction: The Elegance DLC pack is TECHNICALLY free but you actually have to pay for the bundle to get it. So, not really free which only further frustrates me haha.
@klawzilla
@klawzilla 6 ай бұрын
The issue with struggles for me is that it kinda “game-ifies” an area and makes it more predictable. I think it would be better if a struggle was something that could also arise and occur organically throughout the game in any area and between any rulers involved
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Interesting. Sort of like the nemesis system in a way? (which I like sometimes and loath others)
@ItIsYouAreNotYour
@ItIsYouAreNotYour 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't really like the area-specific stuff. But it does introduce me to areas I don't really play. Maybe keep it, but add a way to have something come about anywhere. Whatever requirements are needed to trigger it? Rivals or kingdom size.
@fuadlabib703
@fuadlabib703 6 ай бұрын
They should make struggles a mod thing and add more features if they pay some great modders a little money they'd be happy to make struggles and they could just launch an expansion pack where they realise 10+ struggles all together which can trigger in certain periods or with certain conditions like the vici 3 event chains To me it doesn't really sound that difficult to do but that's just what I think
@gillesjacquemin3433
@gillesjacquemin3433 6 ай бұрын
A struggle that appears in the Levant when a crusade is successful would be sooo good
@kenzieafent6291
@kenzieafent6291 6 ай бұрын
Maybe when a large empire collapses or dissolve or a sudden invasion from a large foreign army it triggers an struggle
@user-gn6wz9fe1c
@user-gn6wz9fe1c 6 ай бұрын
3 years and I still want a monks and mystics/ reapers due equivalent in ck3, they provided such depth and opportunities for mods and mechanics
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
They're definitely trying to strike a balance between a grand strategy and an empire ruling rpg sim and it's difficult to do that without cutting some things out. I also blame COVID for the relatively slow early releases. Probably not a lot of work got done early on after release.
@CarterElkins
@CarterElkins 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, Monks and Mystics didn't come to CK2 until year 5. I get what you're saying though, and the religious side of the game could definitely benefit from more variety.
@philippjansen7199
@philippjansen7199 6 ай бұрын
I think you're right. An epidemic/disease mechanic is sorely missing from the game. Reaper's Due was fantastic. But it's understandable Paradox didn't go for it considering the real world circumstances
@sanserof7
@sanserof7 6 ай бұрын
Tours and Tournaments is the best DLC they have added by far. Adds so much flavor and RP possibilities. And traveling around the map and going sightseeing is super fun.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Tours and Tournaments is a great DLC I agree.
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 6 ай бұрын
A struggle in england after the norse have established Danelaw is super needed imo i love struggles I think if they're made more dynamic it can only be a good thing
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think people will inevitably complain about another struggle but it seems like a system they’re constantly tweaking. I’ll be cautiously optimistic if that’s what gets announced.
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 6 ай бұрын
@Soul_Tomato people will say they want more mechanical depth than complain when it's added they add a great mix of historical flavor and gameplay I do agree that either wars or trade should be the next thing to get overhauled though
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
@@mementomori771honestly I think trade would be better. Venice and Genoa’s trade monopoly with the Byzantines partially led to their downfall IIRC.
@JustAnotherAccount8
@JustAnotherAccount8 6 ай бұрын
Only if its an optional feature. Don't want to have to do a struggle everytime I play in a region
@tombstone4908
@tombstone4908 6 ай бұрын
Just in case you wanna know, but I'm pretty sure there's a mod for that. Haven't played it tho so don't know it's quality
@afrovarangian
@afrovarangian 6 ай бұрын
The problem I have with ck3 is that it simultaneously has too little and too much content if that makes sense. In my ~200 hours I have held court like 10 times and that's only to get rid of the pop-up. I feel like holding court rarely if ever has positive outcomes, they are mostly neutral or negative. So from a risk/reward perspective it's just not worth it and I'm now actively avoiding game mechanics. Why would I hold court if I have a 1% chance to get a vassal when I have 10% to get a stinky court which requires 10 years of income to solve?
@tosspot1305
@tosspot1305 6 ай бұрын
I agree, generally holding court will cost you a ton of cash
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Holding court is a burden I agree. It definitely needs an overhaul. I like the idea of the court but not the execution
@gurkeschurke6667
@gurkeschurke6667 6 ай бұрын
Chapter III should be about bringing back the vanilla flavour. 1. Legacy of Rome redone = Expansion 2. Monks and mystics redone = flavour pack 3. The reapers due redone = flavour pack 4. More courtrooms
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
This would be a solid pack.
@thetrolluminati9714
@thetrolluminati9714 6 ай бұрын
More courtrooms is definitely needed
@gillesjacquemin3433
@gillesjacquemin3433 6 ай бұрын
For chapter III, I think they should add a government reform system, kind of like what’s in EU4, where you can decide what the relationship between a liege and their vassals looks like. I feel like the Tax Jurisdiction system kind of touched on that. Also, an improved version of CK2’s laws system would be insane. All this would make playing as a king and especially an emperor far more deep and interesting.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Someone else also suggested it and I think that would be a good idea too
@derprofessor150
@derprofessor150 6 ай бұрын
My problem with Crusader kings 3 is that the crusades do not get a prominent enough place and even if they are started do not work properly. In my opinion they should make the next dlc about the Christian church, the crusades and maybe the game as a whole more challenging
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think the next big expansion, as I said in the video, should do with everything war related. Now that Muslims are more fleshed out I have a feeling we may see the Crusade/Jihad system expanded. Or so I also hope.
@bradjarman8721
@bradjarman8721 6 ай бұрын
Definitely feel like ck3 missing a trade agreement option between factions would be a great way of making money. Adding resources that are around different continents that you can use to trade with other factions for other resources. Like India trading Elephants to Roman Empire or something for Marble or something would be cool!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure other mods have messed with a trade feature too so it’s kind of surprising it isn’t there. Can’t really play as any of the republics otherwise.
@Selesto1
@Selesto1 6 ай бұрын
What I miss, is the possibility for me to became a mercenary. Struggle for Iberia kinda had it in one of the phases, that you could join a war for coin. But I want that on a global stage. Like my Viking Lord fighting for gold in france, england, iberia maybe even byzantium. Could also be a new Bloodline tree, or easy tweaked inside the Raider or Warrior tree.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
This would be a great way to play as sort of a peripheral character. Still making money from war but not having to participate directly.
@Selesto1
@Selesto1 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato exactly, plus the chance for indirect powerplay. Joining a defensiv war to prevent your past (or future) enemy from expanding, or generally weakining them during the war. Joining rebellions to further instability in realms etc. And of course, the gold. So there is a lot to gain for a (victorious) mercenary.
@jacobscott2473
@jacobscott2473 6 ай бұрын
I haven't played much since close to launch, the lack of the strategy side of things is a big part of it to me. The DLC from CKII made playing in different parts of the world feel completely unique, but everywhere kind of felt the same. I do love the systems that were new for CKIII but I just didn't have the drive for the game that I was expecting myself to have after being a CKII fan for years. I did come to CKII quite a long way into it's life, so maybe that's part of it. But maybe it just hit different
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I’ve heard this a few times. A good friend of mine played CK2 for most of its life and it really is a different experience. I do hope to see some of those long missed featured brought over to CK3.
@Ganlix
@Ganlix 6 ай бұрын
Well I played Ck2 since its release, and at that time you could only play Christians. Each dlc that added a new religion/ new government was a huge deal because you could play something that you couldn't play before. The thing is CK3 had that at its release and their strategy is to expand on regions that are already playable so the sensation is not the same
@soren633
@soren633 6 ай бұрын
I totally agree with this take however I finally been playing with the Legacy of Persia DLC and I think they're finally a couple steps away from one of the most dynamic rpg/strategy titles paradox has ever accomplished. It's genuinely impressive the level of depth between Tours & Tourneys and Legacy of Persia that's been added in. We just need trade and republics back tbh and its more complete than ever.
@str8ism528
@str8ism528 6 ай бұрын
One thing that I think to really expand the strategy element could be to let governments develop more organically. Something not too dissimilar to the EU4 gov't reform mechanic they added a while back. Maybe even give it RPG elements by tieing reforms to councillor offices and allow the liege to take interests during their reign (Want to have a professional standing army start working with your marshall, or maybe work with your steward to create a exam based bureaucracy, etc.), with that you could create content that keeps being a vassal interesting while expanding empire management!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I would like to see this. That would be interesting. Plus it takes some power away from us and lets the game feel more dynamic
@BronnBlackwater
@BronnBlackwater 6 ай бұрын
I love legacy of persia. Great DLC. I want late game mechanics for empires to differentiate them from kingdoms in chapter 3.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh good idea. What sort of mechanics do you have in mind?
@geononin920
@geononin920 6 ай бұрын
Empires having something of a focus you can set. Either diplo, admin or millitary and depending on the imperial focus you would get different bonuses, events and also negative points in the other two parts for a sort of balance. That would be an Idea of mine.
@jackochainsaw
@jackochainsaw 6 ай бұрын
I think the Vassal Limit Cap should be raised for Empires. They should also have some much deeper mechanics because you could stay as a massive king until you are overstretched. I quite the focus idea. I think you should also get an "Imperial Courtier" which is an upgrade from the "courtly" stance. At Empire level it would be good if you got two of each councillor so you can set some different objectives.
@hhelminn
@hhelminn 6 ай бұрын
Great review. I agree with Fate of Iberia, a struggle mechanic fits there. Sadly, I didn't like the Persia DLC at all, I don't think we need a struggle mechanic in every region and I'm afraid they're gonna add more instead of focusing on war/crusade rework, or a new system of the HRE and Byzantine empire. I think the art was good in the new DLC, but it feels lackluster compared to what we actually need in this game.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Empires in general I think need an overhaul. I’ve seen a few people mention it
@roropiroro6425
@roropiroro6425 6 ай бұрын
- Add the commanding system like ck2, put your generals in flanks and stuff, and maybe add bonuses to MAA whether they are in the center, right or left flank. - Add the apostolic college so you can put popes of your convinience more easily. - More activities like societies and create bloodlines.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Bloodlines would be huge. Other mods have already implemented them in a way too.
@MrBreaknet
@MrBreaknet 6 ай бұрын
Adding more "Popey Action" would be great for Catholics.
@prototype102010
@prototype102010 6 ай бұрын
I think this chapter, for me at least, was far better than the first. I adore the tours and tournaments DLC as well as wards and wardens. I don't quite get the struggle mechanics if I'm honest, I just haven't dove into them enough, but for the most part this chapter brought me back into CK3 and kept me there far more than the last. For the future stuff I'd love a bit more... crazy. Glitterhoof or satan or something. Even if it's an option in the menus, just something to make things a bit crazy and radically different.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think the crazy should definitely return too
@TheDoctorfat
@TheDoctorfat 6 ай бұрын
You mention the clothing packs being free, but they aren't free, you cannot get them unless you buy the chapter EDIT: Also in terms of features, I would love for proper diseases and epidemics, that's one of the things that really upped the challenge in CK2 and would help massively for Ck3
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh see that really annoys me then. I was under the impression they were free. They really don’t add an enough to justify a price. I think diseases would be a cool feature for sure. Considering their real life impact.
@prettyboyg1278
@prettyboyg1278 6 ай бұрын
What really annoys me is that you can't even get the clothing pack at all, since the chapter 2 bundle expired, even If you want to pay for it. I mean, we are not talking about 1 or 2 pre order cosmetics here, but full sets that would definitely add to the immersion. Would love to get all the DLC, but these weird business practices are a bit discouraging right now.
@TheDoctorfat
@TheDoctorfat 6 ай бұрын
@@prettyboyg1278 Ah, good ol' predatory FOMO
@jackochainsaw
@jackochainsaw 6 ай бұрын
Wards and Wardens was considerably better than Friends and Foes. I have had a few event chains that were rather good from Wards and Wardens, it definitely adds some good flavour. Legacy of Persia and Tours and Tournaments are both bangers. I'm one of those rare people that really liked Royal Court so all this on top is chef's kiss.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Interesting. Glad you liked them!
@nathanmelo7805
@nathanmelo7805 6 ай бұрын
I hope they make a castle management rework, for example you being able to assign someone to build things automatically for you but it would depend on their stewardship skill, and if they ruled it for too long they would begin to damand that land to be theirs
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Honestly I would LOVE this. They could offer you to build a certain building and you could approve or deny it (or perhaps prioritize types of buildings and it would come out as taxes from your monthly income).
@willassAUS
@willassAUS 6 ай бұрын
Mongols expansion with a start date, flavour for steppe cultures and some kind of invasion system with options for appeasement, collaboration, uniting a coalition, etc, etc. There is tonnes of cool stuff you could add with a DLC like this and I can see it drawing in a lot of players and selling a shit load cuz everyone loves mongols and having an almost unstoppable ever encroaching boss type enemy is super compelling.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Mongol start date would be rad. You could even do both sides of the conflict. Make some real difficult starts trying to stem the tide.
@DizzyNLD
@DizzyNLD 6 ай бұрын
Good video, thanks. Like what you did with the embedded trailers
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I try to give it a little something while keeping it relatively simple. Thank you!
@dracodarastrix4175
@dracodarastrix4175 6 ай бұрын
Like you I also want the Republics back as a playable nation. You could in CK II but if Paradox is smart I would combine it with the Plague System. Sadly but true it were the traders which spread out the Black Plague for example. So in this case the trade routes bring both wealth and diseases. What also the trade mechanics could do is spread Innovation.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh that’s a great idea actually
@CarterElkins
@CarterElkins 6 ай бұрын
Nice helpful take! I do think I'll pick up this chapter next time I have some spending money, and this review helped me decide, so thanks!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Even if you don’t love them all it adds plenty to be worth the reduced price for each of them.
@joelfilho2625
@joelfilho2625 6 ай бұрын
The war system is simplistic, but I most desire trade, epidemics, and more unique flavor for all cultures/religions. One of the unfortunate consequences of the 'modular' approach that paradox took with making the cultures/religions in the game is that they eventually felt like the exact same events but swapping some cultural/religious name around. CK2 had plenty of very interesting cultural and religious events that were very unique, as well as traits (for indian castes, for example, or buddhist 'cults', or muslim schools, etc. etc. etc.) and rarely unique mechanics (byzantines can blind/castrate people, some cultures can raid even when feudal...). Secondarily, for catholics in particular, the pope feels particularly toothless in ck3. In ck2 you constantly need his approval for many things (divorce, requesting claims, being crowned) and if you don't you're at severe risk of being fucked over (all your bishops stop paying taxes to you, you get excomunicated making all vassals hate you, a foreign ruler is granted a claim on your throne...), not to mention the investiture and antipopes, which were a *huge* thing in the time period.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Trade and epidemics seem to be high on the ask list (just behind empires and crusades)
@joelfilho2625
@joelfilho2625 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato partly because they were some of the most dynamic and interesting things to happen beyond player control, as well as interacting with each other, slightly. Having the chinese empire in a golden age while you have 2 or more trade outposts would suddenly make your kingdom far more capable of war or economic growth than ever before, but then the bubonic plague spreading through trade routes would mean that simultaneously, you'd be quickly overwhelmed by disease. Having a disease hit a formerly powerful enemy country would be a great incentive to declare war on them, while you also risk disease if you were the ones commanding the armies on those lands. Tl:dr, people want them because they were great fun and very interesting to play around.
@philippjansen7199
@philippjansen7199 6 ай бұрын
Glad to see the love for Legacy of Persia. I hope they make republics playable and give trade in general some love. I miss epidemics from CK2. The plague was so horrible lol it really could wipe out half your dynasty within a year. I also hope they bring back societies but less goofy than in CK2. Kind of a niche thing, but the crusades themselves are in need of a rework as well
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Epidemics, republics, empires, and crusades seem to be common talking points. Maybe if this video ever got enough looks Paradox would check it out. Who knows haha. Thanks for the watch.
@Basileus1453
@Basileus1453 6 ай бұрын
Calling the Crusades niche in CRUSADER Kings 3.
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 6 ай бұрын
I honestly believe that the struggles mechanic should b link to titles like king & emperors and should have been part of the royal court
@tylaanfrost5475
@tylaanfrost5475 6 ай бұрын
I would love a Flavor pack in east or Western Africa also a feature of making or becoming a puppet emperor/ King to add something to the regent system instead of just doing a coup. And Playing unlanded should be a thing and you use the tours and tourney system to get hired and gain land/power
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I agree. Expand more in all the continents. I know a lot of the fan base is Western Europe fan bois but we need more depth everywhere.
@Konradius001
@Konradius001 6 ай бұрын
I'd like a far better system for provisioning your army. The way it is done now with all armies starting with '100' and being able to go for a couple of months and then you choose to disband, reform, or the tedious fracturing of your army to parts that can forage in the lands you place them is really insufficient. I want a system with automatic supply trains that can be interrupted and/or halted where supply can be a 3rd levy type of good (next to gold and levy soldiers)
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I agree. It’s weird that you can’t resupply mid campaign. Would be nice if, once you got low, you’d get an event or something to resupply with percentages for it to be intercepted or destroyed
@ericd.9855
@ericd.9855 6 ай бұрын
I personally like the struggle mechanic. It gives you more purpose to conquer and makes each region feel different. I personally wanna see the addition of playable republics/theocracies something to challenge feudal rule. Another thing I wanna see is an upgrade to religion and the establishment of secret cults. You are right to say that CK3 is becoming mostly about RP which is fine but we NEED mechanics.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Agreed. I’d like to see more mechanics and less RP for chapter 3
@michelebersiani8513
@michelebersiani8513 6 ай бұрын
Hi; great video, thanks. I perfectly agree about potential areas of improvements for chapter 3: war and battle mechanics, trade. Though the last may be difficult to balance in its effect on kingdoms' economies, well... couldn't it be positive, to strengthen the ability to fight wars for and with money?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh like the ability to fund scheme wars maybe? Like “I want you to make a war happen in this place,” or, “I want to contribute to this war financially to ensure this side wins to my benefit.”
@michelebersiani8513
@michelebersiani8513 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Yes, cool! And then maybe sharing the profits from sieges and ransoms
@AlexS-oj8qf
@AlexS-oj8qf 6 ай бұрын
I stopped playing after Vicky 3 is out. I will revisit the game once we have anything Byzantine / Crusader added into it.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That’s not a bad move
@NiskaMagnusson
@NiskaMagnusson 6 ай бұрын
personally I am very very reluctant to part with money with the state of gaming these days, but I really really enjoyed this content pack and I'm glad they keep expanding on certain under-appreciated cultures and regions, I think this format works fairly well and it was pretty affordable even to me. I hope that they expand upon areas like the Steppe + Western China/Turkestan, The Horn Of Africa and maaaaaybe expand upon Christian European kingdoms a bit to make them a bit more varied? I feel like a lot of the western Kingdoms feel a bit same-y. There's still plenty they can do with this game and I hope they keep it going and don't get greedy with pricing, they got a good thing going. I would still like the occasional free cosmetic pack for everyone though.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I would like to see some occasional free packs as well. Overall I think we can be cautiously optimistic about what they’ve showed us so fsr
@NiskaMagnusson
@NiskaMagnusson 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato I think the variety of content types and bundles is what will separate it from the issues with EUIV DLCs getting bloated, pricey and repetitive
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 6 ай бұрын
The struggle mechanic should be between the royal faction and I supporting the seating monarch, and heirs another mechanic should bew a particular heir to succeed the the current liege of Cours, rebels, nobles in the factions, supported them self as monarchs
@tosspot1305
@tosspot1305 6 ай бұрын
You're right ck3 is very watered down compared to ck2 and I miss that depth and complexity. I just hope they expand the mechanics
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I have hope. CK2 was in development and constantly being updated for almost a decade. This is only year 3 AND there was a global pandemic. Once chapter 3 is announced (and if it’s bad) then I’ll start to get frustrated. I’m just trying to give them time to readjust to “normal.”
@joelfilho2625
@joelfilho2625 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Well, countering the 'global pandemic' argument, Ck2 was in development when paradox was a fraction of its current size in terms of employee numbers and financial resources. I don't much like speaking ill of devs that obviously love their work, but to me they have been steadily dropping the ball in developing these DLCs in a satisfactory and speedy fashion.
@almerakbar
@almerakbar 6 ай бұрын
I see a lot of people who view the "flaws" of CK3 as compared to CK2, instead of as they are. We tend to have nostalgia lenses when comparing with something we are familiar with. CK2 at the end of its life is a much more fleshed out, complex, deep game than CK3, but it had a lot of flaws too. And at launch? Wow was CK2 the very definition of barebones, especially compared to CK3 at launch. I'd say the foundation is much much stronger with CK3, that's the only reason they've been able to add some insane features in the big expansions. In regards to the DLC scheme they're doing with CK3 compared to CK2, I like it much better. I'd say the scope and depth of Royal Court and Tours and Tournaments far exceeds any single CK2 main expansion. We should all be able to agree that the scope of tours and tournaments especially went beyond any of our expectations. I'd say it's fantastic that they've added stuff in the main expansions that couldn't be easily done by modders, and I'd say that it's also stuff that sets a new foundation for modding. The smaller region specific packs aren't really that small either. I'd say the scope is only slightly below CK2 main expansions. If what we've seen from Chapter I and Chapter II is any indication, I'd say we have a bright future ahead of us. I'm confident chapter three and four will bring many of the DLCs people have been waiting for.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think chapter 3 in particular will bring a lot of good to the game. I actually want to make a video based on all these great comments. Maybe in hopes Paradox sees what the community collectively is suggesting and see if they add it in 👀
@stoopidapples1596
@stoopidapples1596 6 ай бұрын
I think royal court and tournaments have provided more than enough for personal character dynamics. The game desperately needs more country-running related stuff imo. Also, royal court would be 100x better if holding court was worth it. 90% of them seem to have negative effects or cost you like 500 gold, which is like... You just spent 150 prestige and this is what you get?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I agree with the court stuff whole heartedly. I absolutely hate the court events 90% of the time. They feel so stupid. “Someone’s breathe smells so you better tell them to brush or your councilor may start a rebellion against you.” Like what?
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 6 ай бұрын
Well, the Struggle mechanic in Legacy of Persia is supposed to resolve in a period of 80 years, so within two generations or one lifetime, if you don't actively try to resolve it, it will resolve itself if you do nothing. While the struggle in Iberia is designed to last to the end of the game, so for over 600 years; It takes significant effort to end it early and won't end if you do nothing.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That’s true. I guess people just feel that struggles aren’t dynamic
@foxdavion6865
@foxdavion6865 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Well, they're not meant to be, it is supposed to place the player in a historically authentic scenario. Problem is Paradox's AI never behaves historically. It instead is war happy, is a slave ro personality traits which are always random because the AI raises kids poorly and takes the easiest paths presented. Which before was to culture merge, when that got fixed, it now simply culture flips to it's provence culture or liege culture. Meanwhile the AI is so conversion happy the devs have to force mechanics to protect against AI doing it. Hey Paradox, how about fix the AI instead of installing blockers.
@johnnicholas1657
@johnnicholas1657 6 ай бұрын
They need the evil midfet from byzantium dlc back. He was legendary
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think Byzantine DLC is a huge priority, empire updates in general too
@Belleplainer
@Belleplainer 6 ай бұрын
Despite all the flaws in CK3, and there are many, I still mostly find it a very fun game to play. Sadly I don't think they're going to "fix" a lot of the things that annoy me because most of them have been part of the game since its initial release. Though they have successfully addressed some things, like fixing the factions issue. For like the first year after the release, it seemed like all the game amounted to was fighting a series of civil wars once you got more than, say, ten vassals. It still annoys me that the factions fire off right at the start of your character's rule though, but at least you don't have to keep fighting civil wars over and over, and you have a pretty good chance of keeping them from rising up into revolt in the first place. (In reality vassal revolts almost never broke out at the beginning of a ruler's reign. Even in the 9th century vassals usually saw revolt as a very last step to use after suffering through a horribly oppressive reign. Revolts early in a reign were usually done when the ruler was seen as illegitimate, and even in those cases, the vassals usually waited to see how things would turn out before rising up.)
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I definitely dislike the short reign negative modifier. Especially when, for example, my paragon ruler was basically a paragon of goodness whose child is likely an exact mirror of. But then again that’s not obviously always the case haha.
@Kristaliorn
@Kristaliorn 6 ай бұрын
Great idea, glad someone is holding them to the quality and value for money of there products
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Idk if I do all that but hope you liked the video
@Kristaliorn
@Kristaliorn 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato you are no? By reviewing the products.
@MrBreaknet
@MrBreaknet 6 ай бұрын
Besides I think that struggles are welcomed additions. On the one hand, they provide new mechanics that can be leveraged by the players, forcing you to pay attention to more details than "money/levies/titles". On the other hand, because they require more analysis and understanding, they force the players to reduce the scope of their actions. Instead of having a "chad tier semi-supreme ruler" who could vassalize Iberia in one lifetime, they feature external constraints that change your course of action. Besides, when mastered, these struggles can be quite easily resolved and let you play in a "non-struggling area" for the rest of your run.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
A good take. I like the dynamic as well but it seems a few people dislike the changes it brings
@ivansmirnoff6987
@ivansmirnoff6987 6 ай бұрын
I'm brand new to the game, but I feel like they should probably do India, China/SEA, or the Steppes just to even the map out and spread the love around. Plenty of interesting history all over the place and it'd be a shame to focus so hard on Europe with such a big map.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
See I agree but then you get DLCs like Persia and people complain that Europe never gets any love - it’s very silly.
@ivansmirnoff6987
@ivansmirnoff6987 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato eh fans never know what they want.
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 6 ай бұрын
I have to say it's definitely worth it the only one that's a little lacking in terms of content and flavor was wards and wardens I think struggles will be better received when they can be more dynamic
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I agree. Wards and Wardens felt very meh to me overall. Felt like a slight change to the already existing mechanic in a way I didn’t care about too much. A lot of RPG flavor but not a ton of benefit outside of that (besides hostages which I like)
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 6 ай бұрын
@Soul_Tomato it helped with raising children to have specific traits and the university changes were great I just wish the events themselves were better
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
@@mementomori771oh was university from that one? I didn’t realize.
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 6 ай бұрын
​@Soul_Tomato yea it's also where the 5 star education traits came from
@blodhevn2353
@blodhevn2353 6 ай бұрын
Personally liked tournaments tbh, it felt pretty cool to go to tournaments. I agree with @Klawzilla that i feel the struggles are too forced & restricting so i personally do not like those. if it was possible to turn them off in a game-rule i would. i do want more mechanics & i especially want a harder game. its just too easy to conquer & keep it together. i want to actually feel powerful & accomplished when i go from a count to empire, and id like it to not be a guarantee in one lifetime. But, it seems you might not be on the forums? devs have already confirmed that the next big dlc will focus less on rp & more on mechanics. I want them to get 2 Flavour packs a chapter, its a bit too slow tbh. (i think their original idea was to do 2 FP's and 1 DLC)
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh no I’m not on the forums so that’s good to know. I wonder what mechanics they’re thinking of
@frankargenti
@frankargenti 6 ай бұрын
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@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Lmfao classic CK3 experience
@Swagger-Boy
@Swagger-Boy 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for thr review
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Np. Hope it helped if you were on the fence in either direction.
@chrisface24
@chrisface24 6 ай бұрын
I feel like a lot of the updates marketed as part of the flavor pack (clan system update, taxation, house unity) were all added in the free update (peacock) vs the paid update which lays a bit of interface or story on it. TBH I don't think that the paid updates are worth it.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Hmmm interesting. Someone else mentioned this too.
@robertandersson3417
@robertandersson3417 6 ай бұрын
I want Byzantine Flavour pack!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I want this too
@robertandersson3417
@robertandersson3417 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Wow, talk about fast response!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
lol slow work day today tbh
@joze838
@joze838 6 ай бұрын
I think we need a development system which is more effected by peace and law enforcement or war and injustic on the other side, because development didn't just go up all the time. The Mongols for sure had the biggest impact in destroying the civilization but missmanagement and infighting had an huge impact, as well. I am thinking here of the English anarchy. Also I would to have an organization system, where I can decide how my country is organized internally since this had such a huge impact on how powerful different states were. It should be difficult to reorganize, but not to an extant how it is right now, where tyranny has to be managed for 100+ years plus until you made some progress. This is fine, but there should be another feature parallel to this which deals with competances, army structure, and judges.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I really don’t like the development system at all so I’d be interested to see some fleshing out in that regard too
@matthewkarloski4775
@matthewkarloski4775 6 ай бұрын
Now suddenly chapter 2 is gone from Steam and all other platforms. Only the Royal court edition is remaining but is considered a “limited time deal” ending Nov 28th on Steam. Was thinking about getting chapter 2 when Tours and maybe 1 other dlc was on sale as well so it’d be less than $30, but now that’s impossible Wonder if they’ve now abandoned doing chapters in favor of something else
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Oh interesting. I wonder.
@realdaggerman105
@realdaggerman105 6 ай бұрын
The worst part of LOP for me is that it’s confined to such a short period of time. Looking optimistically to new, later bookmarks (Century of Iron, Alexiad, 4th Crusade, mongols and late medieval if you wanted to keep things consistent with CK2 bookmarks) would all be excellent periods to spice up gameplay, but Persia struggle is not really there. Iberia works, as it is a conflict going over the entire covered timespan, but the meat of LOP is just in the earliest bookmark. I just finished playing an Umayyad restoration run usurping the Abbasids and reinstating the Umayyad’s as caliphs for the achievement, and the free stuff was exceptionally good. Getting much more into the weeds with taxation, working out which vassals i could extort for more versus which I would not wanna piss off and such was incredibly engaging for me. The house stability mechanic as is seems busted. Get to the lowest house relation, you get to spam kingdom invasions. But managing it and shifting it from ‘conquer time’ to ‘stability time’ was a fun extra element. I’m enjoying LOP so far, and looking forward to the next batch Paradox has in store!
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I’m hopeful but I do wonder if the Persia struggle is easier because a lot of people complained Iberia was too difficult. Maybe an over correction.
@realdaggerman105
@realdaggerman105 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Not just the length, but also how it doesn’t appear in 1066. Bit of a shame but what can you do.
@gillesjacquemin3433
@gillesjacquemin3433 6 ай бұрын
@@realdaggerman105that’s probably because the Iranian intermezzo historically ended with the Seljuk invasion, which started in the early 11th century. They couldn’t have added it in the 1066 bookmark because it wouldn’t have made a lot of sense by then, sadly…
@realdaggerman105
@realdaggerman105 6 ай бұрын
@@gillesjacquemin3433 That’s what I was saying! Since it’s such a constricted period of time, any future bookmarks would slowly lead to this DLC having less and less relevance.
@freddiecawston2892
@freddiecawston2892 6 ай бұрын
India is really vanilla at the moment. It could be good to have a struggle mechanic down there. Also, I want migrating hordes back! Hungary has it but I want that for every tribe east of Russia.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Hordes seems like a no Brainer.
@kmtspectre933
@kmtspectre933 6 ай бұрын
I think you (and many other players) should consider which features were part of free updates and which are added by the specific dlcs. For example, the hostage system is part of the base game now, but the bulk of events are not and so that's what you paid for. Also, the Abbasids cosmetic dlc is part of the chapter 1 bundle. It's just an incentive to buy the bundle instead of buying the dlc individually.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I tend to look at the overall but not a bad idea to parse out what is free and isn't with each update.
@pimmpslap
@pimmpslap 6 ай бұрын
The real problem I have is that once you're familiar with all the systems you find there is a DISTINCT shallowness to all of them. There is no depth.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That could just be over familiarity with the game but a lot of the features are a bit cannibalized from CK2 without their full features implemented
@pimmpslap
@pimmpslap 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Yea, it is definitely because I have 2000 hours on CK2 and know what they can do with this game.
@jaysonharrison1017
@jaysonharrison1017 5 ай бұрын
Do we know when Chapter 2 is being released for PlayStation?🤔
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 5 ай бұрын
Considering chapter 1 just finished dropping. I’d expect 2 years.
@jorgeinti
@jorgeinti 6 ай бұрын
how about flavor pack about crusades? Crusader kings cmon lol. I also would like to see an enhance with the Republic system
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Republic system is desperately needed I agree. I also think fleshing out other regions is just as important to expanding the dynamic of crusades. More Muslim content is a good thing I think.
@sidneysill8495
@sidneysill8495 6 ай бұрын
I play 2 games in life at a time. FF14, and CK3 are my current ones. Both for at least a couple years now. In all my years, I thought there was no fandom whinier than MMO players, then I saw the 4X communities "hold my beer" moment, right here in this comment section. Glorious.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
It’s been a little disheartening to see. As a fan of total war as well (who recently came back to play WH3) I’ve been pretty discouraged at the state of negativity in my main fandoms.
@ratus7538
@ratus7538 6 ай бұрын
yes, we really appreciate and support when companies strip down their games, and then charge us even more money for those features!!! I love paradox for doing that!! the fuck?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I definitely understand people’s frustration but It took several years for CK2 to achieve what it is all while being a dramatically less complicated 3D experience that also wasn’t released in the middle of a global pandemic that has only relatively recently (within the last year) let up. I’ll reserve my own criticisms until after chapter 3 is announced.
@ratus7538
@ratus7538 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato nah I agree with that, I just hate when people don’t allow the criticism of games, especially when it’s quite deserved imo due to paradox and their dlc policy. Charge that much money, I think the product should be higher quality. I still continue to play ck2, I’m not bothered… but yea idk, don’t understand ppl who defend games blindly, or complain about ppls legitimate gripes.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I am all for constructive criticism. It has been upsetting to see how negative a lot of these comments are but I’d be lying if I didn’t partially agree to some of the takes. Gaming is a mostly negative sphere these days considering how poorly most games are released so I understand people’s frustrations. I just try to be more positive while acknowledging the negative when I see it or when it’s pointed out to me. I’m still figuring out that balance tbh
@unnamedshadow1866
@unnamedshadow1866 6 ай бұрын
We need Hordes and Merchant Republics. They are the only 2 DLC that truly bring new actual gameplay mechanics.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Refresh me on hordes
@unnamedshadow1866
@unnamedshadow1866 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Basically the actual appropiate way to handle the Steppe Tribes. They aren't really Tribes. They are loose confederations of blood ties and family feuds. But a Flavor Pack for them won't work with the current system. Because they are Nomadic. EU4 kinda depicts it correctly with their lands being low development and also giving them the ability to destroy regions and take their development for themselves. But i think with the map now being 3D we need more of a Total War approach to the Steppe Hordes. They have a Capital (Karakorum for the Mongols as an example) but everyone around is either tributary, or just moves their "Capital" to a different Barony as their herds consume resources. As you unite them, you consume far more resources than what the baronies in the steppes can provide, so you are forced to initially raid your neighbors for resources. But you just snowball, it is how Hordes work in real life and in-game. So you end up having to conquer the Feudal Nations around you. Still, Hordes without China being added wouldn't be that fun. Raiding China would be fun but also dangerous. As suddenly 100K soldiers are raised to attack you, and they can send punishment expeditions. So its not like you are 100% save. Meaning you could diplomatically become a tributary (just like in real life) and focus West, but you will return and bring them down.
@macinnes800ad
@macinnes800ad 4 ай бұрын
I think we need more DLC like Northern Lords but for other regions. I often play as nomads and have to jump by invading provinces, then giving them away to randomers manually to emulate migration - it would be great if a hypothetical Lords of the Steppe dlc added a Migration CB that worked like the varangian one, but didn't change you to feudal and changed the culture of where you left and where you are to represent migration. I kinda find it ridiculous that you can see on the 867 and 1066 starts that the Nomads had moved around, but in game you don't see any of that, nor can you actually do any of that unless you go through so much effort it's not even worth it. Also, more stuff in Africa. Ffs. My funnest playthrough (outside of playing the Cumbrians or Picts) is playing as the Duchy of Benin due to their special building, which led me to learn more about Benins epic history. Africa has less special buildings (ignoring potential temples) than JUST Northern Europe. The recent Persian DLC has only exemplified this problem with tons of exclusive stuff for that region. There is only 3 unique special buildings in ALL of africa, those being the Pyramids, the University of Sangkore, and the Walls of Benin. We need more than that if Africa is gonna compete with other regions as places people wanna play
@JustAnotherAccount8
@JustAnotherAccount8 6 ай бұрын
How they STILL haven't fixed the tournament audio bug (where the background audio gets stuck after the tournament is done) is beyond me
@JustAnotherAccount8
@JustAnotherAccount8 6 ай бұрын
As for my ratings: Elegance: A in terms of what it adds. F because its paid DLC Tours: C, aforementioned bug makes me avoid tournaments, never really do grand weddings or tours, but I like the traveling mechanic and pilgrimages are much better wards: F, HATE the hostage system, it adds so much damn clutter to the advisor panel and never use it except if I win a war and demand a hostage to convert their heir to my faith/culture Legacy: D, not a fan of struggles, clan system is meh (though I do like the idea of adding and expanding on government types)
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
So overall not a fan of it I see I see
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I almost mentioned this because this does annoy me tremendously but I wasn’t positive this was a mod issue or in the game itself. Either way I too hate that.
@larsvandeboer9472
@larsvandeboer9472 6 ай бұрын
The whole hostages thing is fine, I get that that was a thing that actually happened back then and can be useful in pacifying a large neighbor, but please let me turn off the notifications for "this and that ruler wants to give you a hostage"
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Agreed. That’s would be nice.
@aaronbateson796
@aaronbateson796 6 ай бұрын
definitely agree that they need to make how you govern your land more nuanced by adding more mechanics, as this wood allow for more roll play, as it does not make sense that completely different people in completely different cultures run there kingdom the same way. however, I do think it is crucial that any kingdom, anywhere can eventually, given enough time, function like any other kingdom. so for example if you slow passed reforms in like France to make it more tribal for some reason then you start to see the clan system to come into play.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That's an interesting idea. Wouldn't be too hard to implement I imagine.
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 6 ай бұрын
And if they have no plans to bring back the merchant republics, they should at least add a mechanic for slavery & trades since the nobles have to make the money from something what’s the porn have been hard territory if you cannot specialize it in the income is supposed to make
@fintechpioneer9855
@fintechpioneer9855 6 ай бұрын
thanks for the review, +/- i agree with everything. just add my 5 cents here. Lets be honest, it's a game about medieval feudal europe, other regions are mainly "emulated" by this european system. But the main pillar of feudal system was feudal army - I give you land, you give me your spear. What we had in CK2. In CK3 it's completely broken! From vassals you have only useless levy, but it's not WW2 mobilisation!! The idea was to get professional knights from your vassals. And it was rathe difficult to get heavy infantry for nomads or cavalary archers for Eastern Europe.. In CK3 anyway you need to fight with you private prof army. Additionally, why levy have the same stat always? So, Milano XIV century and peasants from egypt IX century are the same?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think giving vassals more moa is a brilliant idea. Their own knights too would be sweet.
@fintechpioneer9855
@fintechpioneer9855 6 ай бұрын
for sure. Big battles like Cressy or Agincourt involved hundreds of knights, many of them feudal lords. And in addition to major military losses, the defeats also caused a state crisis. When 30-40% of the feudal lords at various levels of the empire have been killed, it's time to start redistributing property.
@adoc4015
@adoc4015 6 ай бұрын
Do you know if they plan on making game features judt plainly better? For me for example I hate the lack of combat mechanics and warfare in the game. I hate the fact that all you do is literally drafting all your men into a stack, defeating the enemy, seizing their territory and repeat. I feel like with being able to influence the outcome of your battles this game would be so much more entertaining. There is so much more to say too. However overall Im decently happy with all the DLCs, I understand that most people play the game for roleplaying and these DLCs add mostly immersion to the game. I'd eish for something more that changes up how the game worked, like HOI4 No step back.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Ck2 wasn’t really that way either but I wouldn’t be surprised if we say an overhaul like that since their other games seen to have that style of warfare in mind. Idk if “fronts” like in HOI4 would work but perhaps a campaign system or something like a tour where you have to raise your troops like an event.
@adoc4015
@adoc4015 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato I never played CK2, CK3 was my first title. What I meant with Hoi4 warfare was more on the side of having to produce equipment for example swords, types of armors and having to actually produce siege equipment and buying ressources to produce it. Having diffrent types of armors and units you yourself can design that all have their own advantages and disadvantages. I know that Hoi4 fronts wouldnt make sense at all in the time since warfare mostly used to be one big or a couple smaller armies going from castle to castle. And honestly its hard for me to criticize the war mechanics if I myself have absolutely no idea of making it better without having to implement a whole new game into CK3. I just find them to be repetitive and boring. I'd wish for more actual control over the troops, its really hard for me to describe sorry. I thoguht of ways making warfare at least somewhat strategical by implementing troop moral and supply chains maybe being able to build defensive positions like walls, outposts or being able to ambush an army or attack in formations etc.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I think you’re totally right. I also struggle with criticizing it because I too am unsure how exactly they would go about it. Having to maintain war supplies could be interesting. I would like to see supply lines added.
@b1ackm4gic
@b1ackm4gic 6 ай бұрын
Coming from Stellaris to CK3, this game is way more in depth and hard to pick up than Stellaris was, even with Stellaris being my first 4x experience. Stellaris you can focus on learning planet management and be totally fine even with a poor grasp of everything else and there's fewer systems and options within them to learn about. Everything constantly shifting about as your PC or NPCs die makes it tough to get in a learning groove too
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Really? That surprises me actually
@fkr9032
@fkr9032 6 ай бұрын
I wish that the DLCs weren't so ridiculously expensive.. my games break every couple of updates and make me have to reinstall the entire game. And the DLCs are mostly just content that should just be in the game to begin with.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I haven’t had the issue of the game breaking but I will say, for the value, I found getting the Season Pass worth it. I do agree some of the features felt like they should have already been in the game though or were too small to warrant having to pay for them
@nathanmelo7805
@nathanmelo7805 6 ай бұрын
A better system for HRE, a new government type for the Byzantines, Sickness overhaul, I want it all
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Seeing a lot of calls to revamp Empires. Interesting.
@HelionDark
@HelionDark 6 ай бұрын
its still all half baked tournament are fun first 2 times , persia have few new ideas, its just always to little ... man i still cant get to temple for service, most of exotic activities are just litle text.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
What would you prefer it to be?
@simone21939
@simone21939 6 ай бұрын
“Northern lords the best DLC at the time it was released” Wasn’t it the first DLC?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
You know what you’re probably right haha. I should have said in chapter 1
@simone21939
@simone21939 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato well you weren’t wrong either: being the first it was for sure the best at the time (jk)
@GhostStyle007
@GhostStyle007 4 ай бұрын
They are adding content that has replayability issues. - You get quickly bored of holding random courts - you test the tournament stuff one time and it gets repetitive - you test the struggle of siberia one time and you get bored... They should instead focus on adding core mechanics to the strategy part, those are the stuff that take the game to the next level and open more replaybility and layers complexity to the game
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 4 ай бұрын
From what I understand this next chapter is going to be more mechanical than feature heavy
@nicetas2344
@nicetas2344 6 ай бұрын
I think great britain, north africa, india and eastern europe (the baltics and russia, carpathia and the balkans) would be great to have the strugle mechanic. I'm a roleplayer and those places are the place where everyone wanted to get a piece of, cultures and religions all trying to put their feets on them
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
As a fellow role player I salute you. Also I agree.
@nicetas2344
@nicetas2344 6 ай бұрын
​@@Soul_TomatoAlso, an HRE, and ERE need a rework plus I'd love more depth to nomads. There are no way to develop your land if you live in the steps 😅 and there's no option like what the Magyar had, like the f? You can make the magyar have that migration decision but not the turks and mongols? You add the seljuk invasion but cant make the oghuz migrate into persia? And please dont make it like the varangian adventure, I wanted it to be like migration to pannonia, I wanted my tribe to settle in new land, so the counties will changed culture once I move there. I WANTED BORDER GORE AND POCKETS OF RANDOM CULTURES JUST LIKE IRL. Thanks for listening to my ramblings 😂😂
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Happy to lend an ear
@lebendystraw3683
@lebendystraw3683 6 ай бұрын
Tbh I uninstalled after having it since basically launch. Can't put my finger on it but the game feels tedious beyond fun rn.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That’s totally fine. Don’t play what you don’t enjoy.
@youngoutlaw5150
@youngoutlaw5150 6 ай бұрын
Isn’t it like why are you praising about chapter 1 is what you are disliking about chapter 2?
@dathremo.
@dathremo. 6 ай бұрын
I know this video is specifically aboit the DLC for the year but I think analysing the DLC without highlighting the general state of the game is missing part of the picture. Took them 3 years post release to slightly tweak a government type - how many years before they add another one or make a major DLC thats not a 3D gimmick like Royal Court or revamp for events like T&T? Speaking of T&T somehow they did the major DLC for events but didn’t include coronations, funerals, baptisms or add interesting mechanics to weddings, no dowries, no negotiating formal bethrothals, no events to meet eligible debutantes / nobles or family focused events that every single character would benefit from No updates to the busted barely functional economic system they carried over from CK2 (which was further destabilized with all the additional costs of a Royal Court and now traveling) where getting a sword made can cost a fraction of what it takes to build a castle, need a physician? That’ll be months of income because somehow that makes sense, what an entire army needs in upkeep for a year a physician takes lump sum on top of their actual salary No new start dates, Councils are bland and only need to be looked at if a councilor dies or quits, theres essentially no real system of laws that can be influenced to shape the realm, vassals who have positive relations still plot, scheme and cause trouble just because, any action even slightly questionable gives tyranny and pisses off the whole world I could go on and on If CK3 had 3 times the length of CK2s post launch support PDX might be able to actually whip it into a decent game but thats not likely CK3 has just been meh, I was optimistic when it first came out but its been 3 years and there is so much they haven’t done and the single “substantive DLC” a year model has all but killed any hope of major changes being made anytime soon even if they started working on all the issues today - it would be YEARS before they slow rolled out the changes
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I do see where you’re coming from. It has been a glacially slow update process but you do have to consider CK3 came out in the heart of the pandemic which for many countries only “ended” in 2022 so they’ve been restricted content wise I believe due to having to likely work remote for a lot of that time. Plus CK2 had almost what 9 years of development? I think that’s something a lot of people leave out when they compare the two. I agree the features of CK3 are tremendously dumbed down but I have faith that they will do right by us. But this was a look at Chapter 2, not the state of CK3 as you put it. I think what this adds to the game is really invaluable when it comes to features which is why I recommend it.
@prettyboyg1278
@prettyboyg1278 6 ай бұрын
While I do want new systems like War and Trade mechanics added to the game, I think we should be careful about not asking for too many other systems getting added, that could potentially end up rich in number, but shallow in execution. I would rather see Paradox enrich the existing systems first, like Royal Court and Tours & Tournaments, both being incredible on paper, but still leaving a lot to be desired. I don’t think the approach of leaving every dlc as it is and moving on to the next content is healthy for the quality of the game. It all feels uncooked.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
An interesting take. I don’t agree completely but you’re not wrong saying they sometimes feel under done.
@prettyboyg1278
@prettyboyg1278 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato I think that mostly applies to royal court, tours and tournaments was fine for the most part, even though I wish there were more events for some the scenarios.
@josephisafan
@josephisafan 6 ай бұрын
short answer: no long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I see
@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC
@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC 6 ай бұрын
While tournaments were rather popular across medieval Europe, it is right to say that royalty and many higher noblemen weren't participating on the ground in quite the way CK3 portrays.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I do like doing them though
@funkwolf
@funkwolf 6 ай бұрын
They need to add more interesting War stuff. Expand it, let us command battles and such. Watching little numbers go down isn't exactly engaging. The other big missing aspect is trading and economy, it's too simplistic.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Idk how they’d make battles better but I’d like more trade features for sure
@funkwolf
@funkwolf 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato yeah its a tough one but ive thought about it. Could be a mini game where you can give orders and stuff. There's a game like CK3, Plebby quest is the name that does it pretty well
@trancecod
@trancecod 6 ай бұрын
smaller and smaller dlcs for more money... now we need to pay more than 20€ every time they do anything more than cosmetics edit: even those big dlcs are out of touch, they are good but don't belong... like they should've done two big dlcs about trade and warfare already (even maybe county development/buildings one), then add tours and tournaments and struggle mechanics for specific regions
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I have another video coming up talking more about this but I agree
@ayoubaz3658
@ayoubaz3658 6 ай бұрын
I want conclave like mechanics, but better
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate
@merlinaeron3326
@merlinaeron3326 6 ай бұрын
I'm just straight up not touching this game until they add byzantine flavour
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Fair enough
@johnnicholas1657
@johnnicholas1657 6 ай бұрын
The tours and tournaments doesnt actually add that much, the free update was a massive step in the right direction
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
The free updates are a lot of value
@johnnicholas1657
@johnnicholas1657 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato yeah I liked the way they basically were honest saying you are paying for us to continue if you with but these features were missing. The travel one is not particularly seamless, but it adds great detail and slows the pace down which is what the Devs wanted. The extra stuff from the dlc is good, but I agree with you about the tours. I love choose your own adventure books, so I like it. But yeah like the royal court. That is popup city. Problem there is the constant spam to hold court, and the limited events. Should have been a hundred more
@pimmpslap
@pimmpslap 6 ай бұрын
I hate Wards and Wardens. Never once have I taken or offered a hostage and I really don't want CONSTANT notifications about hostages. So fucking annoying.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I don’t mind them but I feel that way about accolades.
@pimmpslap
@pimmpslap 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Surely there is an option to turn them off but I wish there was a way to do it from the notif, like how there are check boxes on court and tour event notifications. Don't bury the functionailty in a convoluted menu.
@snakeboy6368
@snakeboy6368 6 ай бұрын
Notice how you use the word tedious concerning BOTH the big expacs. And that sums up CK3 for me. This game is just more tedious than fun. I had a blast in my first playthrough and then everything is just the same and you realize you are only pushing numbers up. The repeating events become tedious, and this is why the RPG-elements of CK3 never worked for me. How can the same events still be fun and manage to immerse you for the n-th time? I’ve never understood the fabled roleplay of the ck series. So you can kill your kid and sleep with your sister? Or have an allergy from your cat for the millionth time? This game needs real depth, mechanics, a robust economic system.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Mechanics are a must from this point on I agree. If we keep pushing RPG I too would get burnt out (and I make series and videos on this game all the time). It’s why I said (I think I said anyway) more mechanics less models or something like that.
@jeylonblake3407
@jeylonblake3407 6 ай бұрын
Republics still aren’t playable
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Very much not. Which is something that needs to be addressed.
@scorpioneldar
@scorpioneldar 6 ай бұрын
we have most of ck2 stuff already. they left out about 5 of the DLC at base. then northern lords gave us the old gods content. and the others were left off because they want to avoid the supernatural stuff. people really don't understand how good we have it not having to pay 500 dollars for everything piece by piece. this low DLC schedule is so much better for our wallets.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
That’s true to an extent. I hope we see societies come back
@melbifk
@melbifk 6 ай бұрын
They deleted it from steam now lol😅
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Did they really? Chapter 2? lol we did it lads. We broke the chapter system.
@melbifk
@melbifk 6 ай бұрын
@Soul_Tomato I think they did it for black Friday. But I hope they bring it back xd it was much cheaper then buying them separately even on black friday
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I hope so too. Honestly I forget to buy dlc half the time so doing it in a bundle helps me remember
@mercster
@mercster 6 ай бұрын
"ree-con-keesta"
@mercster
@mercster 6 ай бұрын
When listing all the super popular Paradox games, you left their biggest one out...
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Which one would that be? I admit a lot of this was more rambling so I’m not surprised I forgot.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
My b
@mercster
@mercster 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Europa Universalis!
@mirrormonkey2
@mirrormonkey2 6 ай бұрын
I don‘t get your praise of Northern Lords. In hindsight it is very barebones and not at all worth the retroactively raised 15$. Imo it‘s the most lacking DLC of all
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
In my opinion it completely fleshed out the region (Scandinavia and the conflict in England) and from what I’ve seen it’s probably the most played area of 867s starts. I do want to see more for the area post Danelaw but I think it’s very well done personally. (Also frankly with DLCs like Royal Court and Wards & Wardens I could not disagree more)
@ill-fated2895
@ill-fated2895 6 ай бұрын
"crusader" kings
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
???
@ill-fated2895
@ill-fated2895 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Isn't it funny that you get a muslim dlc in a game called crusaders kings?
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
I don’t think so? It helps flesh out both sides of the conflict. I prefer the Muslim side anyway tbh since you have figures like Saladin who is massively more interesting than any of the Christian leaders to me personally.
@whoisjoe5610
@whoisjoe5610 6 ай бұрын
Read the words of the game dev before saying this again
@topmorocks4559
@topmorocks4559 6 ай бұрын
Have to hard disagree, bureaucracy tasks like tax laws sounds boring as hell. dude I think u miss the point of the dlc s not about hunting or tournaments that's just the surface level stuff, s bout wat u use them for. Example my duke went hunting the other day and his brother died in an hunting "accident", My Spanish warrior king who never lost a war participated in a tournament hosted by the king of France and was killed wrestling.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Obviously it all adds flavor to the game but I just personally want more control over the wider rule of the realm. Obviously I like T&T quite a bit.
@MrBreaknet
@MrBreaknet 6 ай бұрын
Good analysis. However, I would argue that the thing we need the most is a flavor pack for the Byzantine Empire. The region (Balkans, Anatolia and Caucasus) needs more flavor, more impactful choices and, most importantly, new mechanics for the Empire-title management system. I still don't understand why, after 3 years, running an Empire feels ver similar to ruling a Kingdom, but with more resources. As a player, we should receive a notification when an Empire title might go through a succession crisis and have a chance to put one of our relatives on the throne.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Honestly if I had a line to Paradox I would tell them Byzantine has to be in chapter 3. So many of y’all have said it
@PingWhisper
@PingWhisper 5 ай бұрын
CK3 is a RPG/Strat game.... it sounds like you need to play a different Paradox game, Europa is a primary strategy game. Hence why CK3 has more pop ups than a bad porn site.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 5 ай бұрын
I have been meaning to try anbennar
@koob1413
@koob1413 6 ай бұрын
for me, only Legacy of Persia is worth it.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Really? Don’t even like the travel system in Tours? Interesting. How come?
@koob1413
@koob1413 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato no, I think Tours should have been one of the later DLCs, it's not a priority whatsoever.
@konradcabral
@konradcabral 6 ай бұрын
My problem with these DLCs is that they are not obligatory to success in the strategy part of the game. I mean, it's possible to grow from count to emperor without making any realm tour. Same for tournaments, grand weddings, pilgrimages, holding courts, artifacts, etc. Every new mechanic should be designed in a way to punish players that don't use them, mainly in the vassals' and neighbours opinion of you. Examples: if you are a king, a grand wedding should be kind of mandatory, prestige-wise. If you spend a growing number of years without touring your realm, you should have a growing penalty in your vassals' opinion. Same if you deny a hunt invitation from your chancellor. The game is too easy.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
The game is indeed too easy. Seems to be a common sentiment
@konradcabral
@konradcabral 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato yes, there's little to none fear/risk to lose.
@muratdundar3888
@muratdundar3888 6 ай бұрын
No, definitely not. Only click away events and nothing more.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
What do you mean?
@muratdundar3888
@muratdundar3888 6 ай бұрын
@@Soul_Tomato Excluding Legacy of Persia, by the way that's because I haven't played in that region, and have no intention of doing so, I'm not familiar what it really brings into the game, the rest of the DLCs do not add much to the game apart from some repetitious events. After a while you don't even have to read anything but just click on the event, and it's done. Every time you hold a tournament, you get the same events. You travel half way through the world on a pilgrimage, you get sick. For some reason, developers think they are focusing on the role-play side of the game, but I don't see it.
@ShayGamerD3
@ShayGamerD3 6 ай бұрын
While I respect your opinion, I disagree with many of your conclusions. Many of the streamers, if not most of them, play CK3 with focus on role-play. Therefore, role-play focus of the DLCs is not problematic for me. Additionally, I love struggle mechanic, and some of the most popular mods, like RICE or The Fallen Eagle have many additional struggles (TFE has three struggles in the Middle East area alone). I think players enjoy struggles then. I agree that clothing packs should be free, or much more meaningful if paid. Event packs are a waste of money, and both Friends and Foes as well as Wards and Wardens have mostly negative opinions on Steam. Aforementioned RICE offers much more content than both of them, and it is made by a single modder. I disagree that Northern Lords was a very good DLC: it was first DLC for CK3, with little content: only clothing and cultural flavor, a slew of mods focused on Vikings shows that it barely scratched the surface. The Heathen Invasion of the sons of Ragnar Lothbrok is laughable in this DLC, just yet another war, with no real consequences. Fate of Iberia has similar content in terms of culture additions, but adds the struggle mechanic and completely reinvents the entire region. The consequences of the struggle are meaningful for the entire continent: the winner of the struggle may emerge as the most powerful empire in Europe. The main problem for me is that we got only one meaningful DLC before 2023: Fate of Iberia. Royal Court provided much less content, although still not bad, it would be nearly bare-bones without mods expanding on that idea (e.g., adding Byzantine and Holy Roman courts, etc.). Tours and Tournaments, and now Legacy of Persia change that in 2023, and I hope they follow that in the coming years.
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Good write up. I respect it
@samuellogan3947
@samuellogan3947 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely hate the struggle mechanic, it's tedious and defeats the idea of a reconquista. I really hope they stop adding it to areas that have such high potential
@Soul_Tomato
@Soul_Tomato 6 ай бұрын
Why do you say it’s tedious? The reconquista took something like 400 years didnt it? Would make sense to be difficult.
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